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       Plug-in hybrids not so beneficial
   DIR By: Tryp_OR
       Date: October 16, 2025, 1:52 am
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       This is disappointing.
       Plug-in hybrids pollute almost as much as petrol cars, report
       finds
  HTML https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/16/plug-in-hybrids-pollute-almost-as-much-as-petrol-cars-report-finds
       It seems that the internal combustion part is active much more
       than the manufacturers suggest.
       #Post#: 352469--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Plug-in hybrids not so beneficial
   DIR By: northbayteky
       Date: October 16, 2025, 10:14 am
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       --- Quote from: Tryp_OR link ---
       >
       > This is disappointing.
       >
       > Plug-in hybrids pollute almost as much as petrol cars, report
       finds
  HTML https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/16/plug-in-hybrids-pollute-almost-as-much-as-petrol-cars-report-finds
       >
       > It seems that the internal combustion part is active much more
       than the manufacturers suggest.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       When they first came out, I was glad we were finally making some
       moves to get off ICE. It was a step anyway. In 2008 or so when
       gas prices went ballistic, people (around here anyway) started
       getting rid of their ICE vehicles for hybrid mostly, some
       electric. After much thought, I started to wonder why the draw
       to hybrid. They still require petroleum products. If your
       primary travel is around town, under 35 MPH, hybrid is great.
       They're not a good commuter car.
       #Post#: 352487--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Plug-in hybrids not so beneficial
   DIR By: MidwestmikkiJ
       Date: October 16, 2025, 11:17 am
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       I’m not clear after reading this whether this is only true for
       plug in hybrids or if you could assume it’s much the same for
       regular hybrids?
       #Post#: 352545--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Plug-in hybrids not so beneficial
   DIR By: Tryp_OR
       Date: October 16, 2025, 1:53 pm
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       --- Quote from: MidwestmikkiJ link ---
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       > I’m not clear after reading this whether this is only true for
       plug in hybrids or if you could assume it’s much the same for
       regular hybrids?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't know either, but I think the regular hybrids are known
       to run their engine a lot and the battery just helps store
       energy so that mileage is improved.
       #Post#: 352575--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Plug-in hybrids not so beneficial
   DIR By: MidwestmikkiJ
       Date: October 16, 2025, 3:38 pm
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       --- Quote from: northbayteky link ---
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       > [quote author=Tryp_OR link=topic=3789.msg352426#msg352426
       date=1760597576]
       > This is disappointing.
       >
       > Plug-in hybrids pollute almost as much as petrol cars, report
       finds
  HTML https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/16/plug-in-hybrids-pollute-almost-as-much-as-petrol-cars-report-finds
       >
       > It seems that the internal combustion part is active much more
       than the manufacturers suggest.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       When they first came out, I was glad we were finally making some
       moves to get off ICE. It was a step anyway. In 2008 or so when
       gas prices went ballistic, people (around here anyway) started
       getting rid of their ICE vehicles for hybrid mostly, some
       electric. After much thought, I started to wonder why the draw
       to hybrid. They still require petroleum products. If your
       primary travel is around town, under 35 MPH, hybrid is great.
       They're not a good commuter car.
       [/quote]
       Husband would like an electric but where we are the
       infrastructure isn’t well built out. We also drive 200 miles
       pretty frequently and I’d worry about getting stranded.
       #Post#: 352581--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Plug-in hybrids not so beneficial
   DIR By: ShirtOfBlue
       Date: October 16, 2025, 4:13 pm
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       We have a self charging hybrid which does almost 70mpg on
       motorway journeys and only takes around £40 to fill up (petrol
       is super expensive here, my small van is around double that).
       Jack has a plug in hybrid, which he almost never does, because
       the electric range is hopeless, around 35 miles I think, but he
       has it because it’s a company car and he pays less tax on it
       than petrol only and he wouldn’t get the range he genuinely
       needs with all electric. A lot of plug in hybrids are popular
       because of tax breaks and subsidies here, even though some never
       see a plug socket.
       A friend has a Ford Mustang electric which he currently trickle
       charges at a low rate and can sell the stored electricity back
       to the grid at a small profit sometimes. He plans solar panels
       to do away with charging from the grid.
       Many here could manage easily with all electric and numbers will
       increase as range and charging infrastructure improves.
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