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       #Post#: 17328--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: floridafan15
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:23 pm
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       "Why would they share the baby name ahead of time if they
       weren't honestly interested in hearing our opinion?"
       BWAHAHAHAHAHA
       #Post#: 17330--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: West Morse
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:24 pm
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       --- Quote from: GenuineKosherDill link ---
       >
       > Some days I think one small dog will drive me off the deep
       end.  Can't imagine weeks on end with four dogs.  Not to mention
       the cleanup detail.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't blame you, KD, and I'm the one here with four dogs !
       It's a labor of love but I totally get how it's not for
       everyone...
       And though I didn't write the letter here, I swear, I also have
       a pool, which I call "an awesome pain in the ass..."
       #Post#: 17331--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:24 pm
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       Wildly inflammatory language like "she's willing to kill her
       kids to kowtow to your parents" is making this situation
       logarithmically worse.
       Go ahead and calculate the risks and act accordingly.  Me, I'd
       ask my pediatrician for advice and go with that.
       Mind, I'm completely fine with deciding not to see the grands.
       But equating seeing them with a death sentence is inaccurate.
       People complain about Amy's stance all the time, but Hax is
       aaaaaaaaaaaaalllll the way at the other end of the spectrum.
       The risk of Delta to small children is known.  Learn it and
       decide.  Is it greater than leaving them un-seatbelted?  Greater
       than taking them on a roller coaster?  Greater than driving them
       to preschool?  Whatever it is, it's a number and that number is
       known.
       #Post#: 17332--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: Chicagogirl22
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:30 pm
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       I’m calling the Mateo letter.
       I don’t think this is genuine. Cultural appropriation of baby
       names is a thing, I remember Cav mentioning this a few months
       ago in reference to Asher and Jewish culture.
       I think this person wants to discuss this issue and/or take
       Carolyn’s temperature on it so they fabricated this and
       submitted it. Carolyn artfully dodged discussing names and
       culture appropriation and for that I salute her.
       #Post#: 17333--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: BethinDC2AZ
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:32 pm
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       Why would they share the baby name ahead of time if they weren't
       honestly interested in hearing our opinion?
       Are you fucking serious?! No one ever shared a baby name because
       they want to hear your opinion.
       #Post#: 17334--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: Chicagogirl22
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:32 pm
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
       >
       > Wildly inflammatory language like "she's willing to kill her
       kids to kowtow to your parents" is making this situation
       logarithmically worse.
       >
       > Go ahead and calculate the risks and act accordingly.  Me, I'd
       ask my pediatrician for advice and go with that.
       >
       > Mind, I'm completely fine with deciding not to see the grands.
       But equating seeing them with a death sentence is inaccurate.
       >
       > People complain about Amy's stance all the time, but Hax is
       aaaaaaaaaaaaalllll the way at the other end of the spectrum.
       >
       > The risk of Delta to small children is known.  Learn it and
       decide.  Is it greater than leaving them un-seatbelted?  Greater
       than taking them on a roller coaster?  Greater than driving them
       to preschool?  Whatever it is, it's a number and that number is
       known.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This is Carolyn at her worst, when she doesn’t write an answer
       to a LW but instead makes a larger point she just feels like
       making.
       #Post#: 17335--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: BethinDC2AZ
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:33 pm
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       --- Quote from: Chicagogirl22 link ---
       >
       > I’m calling the Mateo letter.
       >
       > I don’t think this is genuine. Cultural appropriation of baby
       names is a thing, I remember Cav mentioning this a few months
       ago in reference to Asher and Jewish culture.
       >
       > I think this person wants to discuss this issue and/or take
       Carolyn’s temperature on it so they fabricated this and
       submitted it. Carolyn artfully dodged discussing names and
       culture appropriation and for that I salute her.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I also think virtue signaling is a thing too. I can totally see
       this happening. They think it's a show of respect, not cultural
       appropriation.
       #Post#: 17336--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:34 pm
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       Wait, what?  We're not allowed to name our kids whatever we
       want?  Does this go in both directions?  If I can't name my kid
       Ariel or DaVonn, does that mean that "they" can't name their kid
       James or Melinda?
       That's bullshit.
       #Post#: 17337--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: LabPartner
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:35 pm
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       People aren't naming the way they used to. They're making them
       up, changing the spelling of traditional names, using things
       that sound Latin or French or Asian. And all the Irish name
       spellings. If someone names their kid Mateo, it might be
       anything other than that they live near Latinos.
       #Post#: 17338--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Live CHAT 09/17
   DIR By: Chicagogirl22
       Date: September 17, 2021, 1:36 pm
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       --- Quote from: BethinDC2AZ link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Chicagogirl22 link=topic=312.msg17332#msg17332
       date=1631903441]
       > I’m calling the Mateo letter.
       >
       > I don’t think this is genuine. Cultural appropriation of baby
       names is a thing, I remember Cav mentioning this a few months
       ago in reference to Asher and Jewish culture.
       >
       > I think this person wants to discuss this issue and/or take
       Carolyn’s temperature on it so they fabricated this and
       submitted it. Carolyn artfully dodged discussing names and
       culture appropriation and for that I salute her.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I also think virtue signaling is a thing too. I can totally see
       this happening. They think it's a show of respect, not cultural
       appropriation.
       [/quote]
       It is just really sticky ground.
       I know this in reference to the name Asher, there are at least 3
       Asher’s in Chitot’s grade at school. It’s a very popular boys
       name right now. It has great significance to Jewish culture. I
       think plenty of parents were just like “cool name, I’ll use it.”
       Is that right? Is it wrong? Can only members of the group the
       name initiated in make that call?
       I have no idea, it’s very complicated.
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