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Re: 2024 Summer Olympics (Paris)
By: armybrat1 Date: August 16, 2024, 2:34 pm
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[quote author=MidwestmikkiJ link=topic=2906.msg268358#msg268358
date=1723610934]
[quote author=kkt link=topic=2906.msg268357#msg268357
date=1723610730]
Would the Swiss courts really grant cert for a sporting event
judgement call?
[/quote]
I don't think it is part of the Swiss Courts. Google says it's
an independent body designed to handle these cases. I assume
that means the various international sports bodies have agreed
to use it.
[/quote]
CAS is an independent body, chartered to resolve disputes
related to athletic competition that impact or can impact
international competition. They handle disputes about the
Olympics and Olympic sport; international soccer, etc. A list
of recent decisions is here:
HTML https://www.tas-cas.org/en/jurisprudence/recent-decisions.html
WRT Switzerland: CAS is chartered in Switzerland. It is not a
direct part of the Swiss legal system. HOWEVER, it falls under
the jurisdiction of the Swiss Supreme Court, on the theory that
"anything that happens in Switzerland that deprives someone of
legal rights falls under the jurisdiction of the Swiss Supreme
Court."
CAS cannot adjudicate a judgement call/referee's decision. They
just rule on whether documented legal processes were followed.
Similarly, the Swiss Supreme Court cannot rule on a CAS
decision; they can only rule that CAS did not follow legal
procedures and thus the CAS decision is invalid.
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Re: 2024 Summer Olympics (Paris)
By: armybrat1 Date: August 16, 2024, 2:40 pm
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[quote author=acl-ny link=topic=2906.msg268429#msg268429
date=1723659268]
More "stuff" re: Chiles and the bronze medal:
The head of a panel that voted to rescind the Olympic bronze
medal for American gymnast Jordan Chiles has a potential
conflict of interest in the matter, The New York Times reported
Tuesday. A Romanian competitor named Ana Barbosu was ultimately
awarded the medal—creating a potential issue for Hamid G.
Gharavi, the head of the special tribunal convened by the Court
of Arbitration for Sport, who counts the Romanian government as
a client. It remains unclear what led to the panel’s decision,
with the court releasing a brief, one-page statement with the
results of their findings. Romania originally lodged their
complaint by arguing that a U.S. coach’s appeal of Chiles’
scoring came just a few seconds too late. After the panel’s
decision, Chiles was knocked to fifth place, taking away her
only solo medal of the 2024 games."
[/quote]
They've been pretty clear what led to the decision: Romania
alleged that the inquiry was not filed in time. Nobody could
prove that it was filed in time, because the FIG had no system
for tracking the time. The US coach testified that she was not
sure whether it was in time or not. Romania submitted video
showing that the inquiry was late. Since nobody could show that
was false, Romania won.
The US came up with video, after the fact, purporting to show
that the inquiry was in time, after all. The US did not have
that video at the hearing and it was not entered into evidence.
Based on the weight of the evidence it considered, the CAS made
its decision.
That's pretty straightforward. What's not is: (1) why wasn't the
US given sufficient warning of the hearing? If they'd known in
time, the US team might have found the video and placed it into
evidence as part of the case. (2) why can't the US appeal the
ruling, citing the new evidence? The CAS says "we don't do that.
If you don't have evidence in time, it is not evidence. Sorry."
That latter part is the basis for the US threatening to go to
the Swiss Supreme Court. "An organization in Switzerland shafted
us; you have to step in and preserve our rights."
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Re: 2024 Summer Olympics (Paris)
By: BethinDC2AZ Date: August 16, 2024, 3:30 pm
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[quote author=armybrat1 link=topic=2906.msg268869#msg268869
date=1723837212]
[quote author=acl-ny link=topic=2906.msg268429#msg268429
date=1723659268]
More "stuff" re: Chiles and the bronze medal:
The head of a panel that voted to rescind the Olympic bronze
medal for American gymnast Jordan Chiles has a potential
conflict of interest in the matter, The New York Times reported
Tuesday. A Romanian competitor named Ana Barbosu was ultimately
awarded the medal—creating a potential issue for Hamid G.
Gharavi, the head of the special tribunal convened by the Court
of Arbitration for Sport, who counts the Romanian government as
a client. It remains unclear what led to the panel’s decision,
with the court releasing a brief, one-page statement with the
results of their findings. Romania originally lodged their
complaint by arguing that a U.S. coach’s appeal of Chiles’
scoring came just a few seconds too late. After the panel’s
decision, Chiles was knocked to fifth place, taking away her
only solo medal of the 2024 games."
[/quote]
They've been pretty clear what led to the decision: Romania
alleged that the inquiry was not filed in time. Nobody could
prove that it was filed in time, because the FIG had no system
for tracking the time. The US coach testified that she was not
sure whether it was in time or not. Romania submitted video
showing that the inquiry was late. Since nobody could show that
was false, Romania won.
The US came up with video, after the fact, purporting to show
that the inquiry was in time, after all. The US did not have
that video at the hearing and it was not entered into evidence.
Based on the weight of the evidence it considered, the CAS made
its decision.
That's pretty straightforward. What's not is: (1) why wasn't the
US given sufficient warning of the hearing? If they'd known in
time, the US team might have found the video and placed it into
evidence as part of the case. (2) why can't the US appeal the
ruling, citing the new evidence? The CAS says "we don't do that.
If you don't have evidence in time, it is not evidence. Sorry."
That latter part is the basis for the US threatening to go to
the Swiss Supreme Court. "An organization in Switzerland shafted
us; you have to step in and preserve our rights."
[/quote]
That’s crazy. If they’re enforcing a time limit logic dictates
they track it.
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Re: 2024 Summer Olympics (Paris)
By: acl-ny Date: August 16, 2024, 8:50 pm
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[quote author=BethinDC2AZ link=topic=2906.msg268875#msg268875
date=1723840241]
[quote author=armybrat1 link=topic=2906.msg268869#msg268869
date=1723837212]
[quote author=acl-ny link=topic=2906.msg268429#msg268429
date=1723659268]
More "stuff" re: Chiles and the bronze medal:
The head of a panel that voted to rescind the Olympic bronze
medal for American gymnast Jordan Chiles has a potential
conflict of interest in the matter, The New York Times reported
Tuesday. A Romanian competitor named Ana Barbosu was ultimately
awarded the medal—creating a potential issue for Hamid G.
Gharavi, the head of the special tribunal convened by the Court
of Arbitration for Sport, who counts the Romanian government as
a client. It remains unclear what led to the panel’s decision,
with the court releasing a brief, one-page statement with the
results of their findings. Romania originally lodged their
complaint by arguing that a U.S. coach’s appeal of Chiles’
scoring came just a few seconds too late. After the panel’s
decision, Chiles was knocked to fifth place, taking away her
only solo medal of the 2024 games."
[/quote]
They've been pretty clear what led to the decision: Romania
alleged that the inquiry was not filed in time. Nobody could
prove that it was filed in time, because the FIG had no system
for tracking the time. The US coach testified that she was not
sure whether it was in time or not. Romania submitted video
showing that the inquiry was late. Since nobody could show that
was false, Romania won.
The US came up with video, after the fact, purporting to show
that the inquiry was in time, after all. The US did not have
that video at the hearing and it was not entered into evidence.
Based on the weight of the evidence it considered, the CAS made
its decision.
That's pretty straightforward. What's not is: (1) why wasn't the
US given sufficient warning of the hearing? If they'd known in
time, the US team might have found the video and placed it into
evidence as part of the case. (2) why can't the US appeal the
ruling, citing the new evidence? The CAS says "we don't do that.
If you don't have evidence in time, it is not evidence. Sorry."
That latter part is the basis for the US threatening to go to
the Swiss Supreme Court. "An organization in Switzerland shafted
us; you have to step in and preserve our rights."
[/quote]
That’s crazy. If they’re enforcing a time limit logic dictates
they track it.
[/quote]
Seriously. I read about that and thought WTF? How can you rule
on something when you don't have the check and balances in
place? It does defy logic, and should be grounds for an appeal.
Meanwhile, the poor kids are being jerked around due to mistakes
made by those allegedly in charge.
#Post#: 269532--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2024 Summer Olympics (Paris)
By: Heron Date: August 20, 2024, 4:28 pm
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I hope Chiles wins an individual gold medal in four years.
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