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California Forever
By: northbayteky Date: May 19, 2024, 7:52 pm
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Did anyone catch CBS Sunday Morning this morning? One of the
episodes was about a project being proposed in my area.
HTML https://youtu.be/pDGeuq6nfXg?si=_-08LdWX59SgcHPW
The proposed area is about 8 or 10 miles east of me. There's
currently fields out there. In the winter, ponds develop and the
prairie shrimp come to life in the ponds created. I forget the
actual name of the shrimp or if they're actually shrimp but more
of an insect akin to cicadas.
Anyway, I don't see this project coming to fruition. That's my
hope as well.
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Re: California Forever
By: Tryp_OR Date: May 19, 2024, 9:27 pm
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The NYTimes has had a few articles about this during the past
year.
HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/business/solano-county-california-forever-city.html
HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/technology/solano-flannery-tech-city.html
I did not view the video, but the comments suggest the
developers are getting more aggressive about acquiring the land
they want.
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Re: California Forever
By: MidwestmikkiJ Date: May 19, 2024, 9:36 pm
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I didn't watch anything and haven't read anything but history if
full of stories of attempts to build these planned communities.
Some sort of work, most fail, I honestly don't know of any that
have fulfilled their promise.
There was one in Minnesota in the 1970s. My brother ended up
buying a house there later and it was ok but by then it was
mostly just another neighborhood with common areas.
I've gotten pretty jaded over the years about things that are
planned. I think human nature resists over planning.
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Re: California Forever
By: northbayteky Date: May 19, 2024, 10:10 pm
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In about the mid 1980s, there was a landowner between here and
Winters that wanted to build a housing development. I forget the
specs, but it was a lot of homes and no services. The County
eventually didn't approve the project. But it spurred some
activists to get a ballot measure to only allow large housing
developments within existing city limits. There's a lot of land
in Solano County that's not within any existing city. That was
the issue that spurred the code in the first place, access to
water, fire, police. A secondary concern is always sprawl, as we
are way behind the over-building boom that hit the east bay and
south bay/ San Jose. (The sponsors of California Forever are
carpet baggers from Silicon Valley.)
There's about a hundred threads on nextdoor complaining about
"CF"
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Re: California Forever
By: kkt Date: May 19, 2024, 10:11 pm
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My dad spent a couple of years living in Davis and going to
college there. People don't often think of gloomy, foggy
conditions in California, but the Central Valley has them a lot.
I also want to know who's going to build and operate transit
that I glimpsed on the map, that you'd need if you want to go to
a job in the Bay Area. Because I-80 is horrible.
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Re: California Forever
By: northbayteky Date: May 19, 2024, 10:16 pm
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[quote author=kkt link=topic=2745.msg252791#msg252791
date=1716174669]
My dad spent a couple of years living in Davis and going to
college there. People don't often think of gloomy, foggy
conditions in California, but the Central Valley has them a lot.
I also want to know who's going to build and operate transit
that I glimpsed on the map, that you'd need if you want to go to
a job in the Bay Area. Because I-80 is horrible.
[/quote]
One of the biggest complaints is about traffic. They're more
stupid than I already think if they believe people will buy a
house there and not commute.
Highway 12 (State route 12) is only 2 lanes as it is. It's a
major route for trucks from I-5/99 to I-80. Yeah, 80 is bad.
There's a huge interchange they're finally fixing where I-80,
SR12 and I-680 come together.
There still isn't anything I would consider mass transit.
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Re: California Forever
By: kkt Date: May 19, 2024, 11:34 pm
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[quote author=northbayteky link=topic=2745.msg252792#msg252792
date=1716175017]
[quote author=kkt link=topic=2745.msg252791#msg252791
date=1716174669]
My dad spent a couple of years living in Davis and going to
college there. People don't often think of gloomy, foggy
conditions in California, but the Central Valley has them a lot.
I also want to know who's going to build and operate transit
that I glimpsed on the map, that you'd need if you want to go to
a job in the Bay Area. Because I-80 is horrible.
[/quote]
One of the biggest complaints is about traffic. They're more
stupid than I already think if they believe people will buy a
house there and not commute.
Highway 12 (State route 12) is only 2 lanes as it is. It's a
major route for trucks from I-5/99 to I-80. Yeah, 80 is bad.
There's a huge interchange they're finally fixing where I-80,
SR12 and I-680 come together.
There still isn't anything I would consider mass transit.
[/quote]
When my mom was a little girl she and her family lived in
Lafayette Valley. The interurban had a stop about half a block
from her house - it went to Oakland and over the Bay Bridge via
the Key System to the west, and out to Sacramento to the east.
BART replaced bits of that, but still nowhere near going out to
eastern Solano County.
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Re: California Forever
By: northbayteky Date: May 20, 2024, 1:09 am
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ABAG, the Association of Bay Area Governments like to use Solano
County as their trash receptical but we get no benefit.
Everything costs like the bay but the jobs don't pay. Plus
there's only a few large employers, the base, the 2 prisons,
and...I'm drawing a blank. There's some biotech manufacturing,
but not sure how manyemployers/ employees. It's mostly bedroom
communities. This just seems like another bedroom community.
I think this is just a group of people with more money and time
with few healthy outlets. They have some weird vision of the
perfect "walkable city." I'm struggling to understand how they
can put so much time, energy and money into a project without
first trying to improve an existing city. It doesn't seem
realistic to me.
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Re: California Forever
By: Aardtacha Date: May 20, 2024, 9:48 am
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[quote author=northbayteky link=topic=2745.msg252785#msg252785
date=1716166365]
Did anyone catch CBS Sunday Morning this morning? One of the
episodes was about a project being proposed in my area.
HTML https://youtu.be/pDGeuq6nfXg?si=_-08LdWX59SgcHPW
The proposed area is about 8 or 10 miles east of me. There's
currently fields out there. In the winter, ponds develop and the
prairie shrimp come to life in the ponds created. I forget the
actual name of the shrimp or if they're actually shrimp but more
of an insect akin to cicadas.
Anyway, I don't see this project coming to fruition. That's my
hope as well.
[/quote]
Possibly fairy shrimp, who exist in periodic bodies of water.
Hope the plan doesn't work out -- we have too few places just
acting as habitat as it is.
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Re: California Forever
By: Thetis099 Date: May 20, 2024, 10:30 am
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[quote author=Aardtacha link=topic=2745.msg252831#msg252831
date=1716216490]
[quote author=northbayteky link=topic=2745.msg252785#msg252785
date=1716166365]
Did anyone catch CBS Sunday Morning this morning? One of the
episodes was about a project being proposed in my area.
HTML https://youtu.be/pDGeuq6nfXg?si=_-08LdWX59SgcHPW
The proposed area is about 8 or 10 miles east of me. There's
currently fields out there. In the winter, ponds develop and the
prairie shrimp come to life in the ponds created. I forget the
actual name of the shrimp or if they're actually shrimp but more
of an insect akin to cicadas.
Anyway, I don't see this project coming to fruition. That's my
hope as well.
[/quote]
Possibly fairy shrimp, who exist in periodic bodies of water.
Hope the plan doesn't work out -- we have too few places just
acting as habitat as it is.
[/quote]
Indeed, and here is a link with information about Lepidurus
packardi (aka tadpole shrimp), including a map of their
distribution in California:
HTML https://www.fws.gov/species/vernal-pool-tadpole-shrimp-lepidurus-packardi
Another vernal pool type of critter with species that are large
enough to be visible to the naked eye are the ostracods,
commonly known as seed shrimp. Seed shrimp can also do some
wild stuff! Both of those critters could be present in that
environment.
HTML https://ecology.wa.gov/blog/april-2016/eyes-under-puget-sound-critter-of-the-month-the-se
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