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       #Post#: 209551--------------------------------------------------
       Civil Debate vs Personal Attacks
       By: animaniactoo Date: September 22, 2023, 3:22 pm
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       I am posting this because we have had a number of incidents
       lately - I don't know if people are extra cranky with the change
       of seasons, change of traffic patterns with the start of back to
       school, or political climate. However... these incidents are not
       good for our community and I would like to nip this in the bud.
       So, this is a reminder about what constitutes disagreement
       versus personal attack.
       Please review our community rules:
  HTML https://haxnuts.createaforum.com/site-policymoderation-info/community-rules-842/
       And I am outlining what will hopefully clarify where some of the
       boundary lines are and framings that push things into one
       category or another.
       Civil - even passionate debate:
       "I disagree with X. This does not address the MULTIPLE instances
       of Y & Z"
       "I don't see it that way at all. In my experience...."
       "Ugh. This sounds like every time I've heard someone say
       "_______" and it comes across very dismissively"
       "I'm not sure if you're familiar with the statistics on this.
       According to ______ this is an issue because _______-. Here are
       a couple of references on this."
       "It doesn't ALWAYS have to mean X. Sometimes it means Y"
       Personal attack/Uncivil:
       "Yeah, clearly YOU don't see it that way because you are
       _________"
       "You need to learn that _________"
       "As an X, you don't get to have an opinion on this."
       "But I see you don't care about that."
       Name-calling that is not clearly in jest and ribbing between
       friendly adverseries (and yes, we can generally tell the
       difference. All of us).
       This is not to say that you can never address the other person
       directly, including some form of "You seem really dug in on
       this, and I'm wondering why? Other people are saying they have a
       different experience, and theirs is just as valid"
       But speak to the OPINION that you disagree with. Do not make
       holding that opinion about someone's overall character or
       extrapolate what else it must say about them. At least half the
       time you're likely to be wrong, and the other half the time, you
       are come across so strongly that they can't hear you.
       Please help to keep our community one where sensitive subjects
       can be discussed from various perspectives without alienating
       each other.
       Thank you
       - The Sanity of the Mods (yup, all of them)
       #Post#: 209614--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Civil Debate vs Personal Attacks
       By: VanillaBean Date: September 23, 2023, 12:07 am
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       I hope, “what the hell” when feeling a scootch of personal
       attack is okay. If not, feel free to modify or delete my posts
       as you see fit.
       #Post#: 209693--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Civil Debate vs Personal Attacks
       By: animaniactoo Date: September 23, 2023, 12:58 pm
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       [quote author=VanillaBean link=topic=2179.msg209614#msg209614
       date=1695445668]
       I hope, “what the hell” when feeling a scootch of personal
       attack is okay. If not, feel free to modify or delete my posts
       as you see fit.
       [/quote]
       As an expression of surprise, there shouldn't be an issue with
       it as long as the rest of the response is measured and not a
       reaction that escalates to the next level.
       However, I would like to remind - if you (general you) are
       relying on mods to modify/remove what is not okay, it is
       probably better to err on the side of caution. Seeing as this is
       a part-time volunteer gig for the mods and we cannot be relied
       on to be around to catch stuff before it escalates, etc.
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