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       #Post#: 43360--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: November 18, 2021, 6:17 pm
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       I can't bring myself to say that. Well, I can, but I don't want
       to.
       Cy sounds like an absolute delight. You two are doing great.
       #Post#: 43418--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: TwoASAPsAgo
       Date: November 18, 2021, 8:28 pm
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
       >
       > I can't bring myself to say that. Well, I can, but I don't
       want to.
       >
       > Cy sounds like an absolute delight. You two are doing great.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks!  Your encouragement and advice have been very helpful.
       Maybe it is a grass-is-greener thing?  LCP just sounds adorable
       from my vantage point, but I suppose I don't have to deal with
       any of her down sides.
       I would say Cyrus is about 40% delightful these days -- sleep
       barking is The Cutest Thing Ever! -- though I believe he'll
       eventually get closer to 95%.  Did I mention sleep barking is
       the Cutest Thing Ever??  Oh my God, it is so cute!  How did I
       not know about this in the BC era?
       But Cy has just entered a stressful "parkour phase," where he
       tries leaping from couch to ottoman and back, six feet apart --
       or running and jumping onto the ottoman from the side and
       abruptly pivoting on one of his hind legs to land on the
       armchair.  This sends the heavy ottoman loudly scraping up to
       two feet across the wood floor, even though it is heavier than
       he is. He's allowed on the furniture, and I have confidence in
       his skills safety wise.  But knock it off, damnit!
       And I guess I'll have to get rid of the glass coffee table
       because he is clearly thinking about adding it to the obstacle
       course.  I have no confidence in his judgment on this point.
       😟
       I don't want to ban him from the furniture, but this is clearly
       going to be the next urgent thing we work on.  So we'll see
       which way his "percentage" is trending.
       #Post#: 43566--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: November 19, 2021, 9:54 am
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       --- Quote from: TwoASAPsAgo link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Queenie link=topic=166.msg43360#msg43360
       date=1637281052]
       > I can't bring myself to say that. Well, I can, but I don't
       want to.
       >
       > Cy sounds like an absolute delight. You two are doing great.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks!  Your encouragement and advice have been very helpful.
       Maybe it is a grass-is-greener thing?  LCP just sounds adorable
       from my vantage point, but I suppose I don't have to deal with
       any of her down sides.
       I would say Cyrus is about 40% delightful these days -- sleep
       barking is The Cutest Thing Ever! -- though I believe he'll
       eventually get closer to 95%.  Did I mention sleep barking is
       the Cutest Thing Ever??  Oh my God, it is so cute!  How did I
       not know about this in the BC era?
       But Cy has just entered a stressful "parkour phase," where he
       tries leaping from couch to ottoman and back, six feet apart --
       or running and jumping onto the ottoman from the side and
       abruptly pivoting on one of his hind legs to land on the
       armchair.  This sends the heavy ottoman loudly scraping up to
       two feet across the wood floor, even though it is heavier than
       he is. He's allowed on the furniture, and I have confidence in
       his skills safety wise.  But knock it off, damnit!
       And I guess I'll have to get rid of the glass coffee table
       because he is clearly thinking about adding it to the obstacle
       course.  I have no confidence in his judgment on this point.
       😟
       I don't want to ban him from the furniture, but this is clearly
       going to be the next urgent thing we work on.  So we'll see
       which way his "percentage" is trending.
       [/quote]
       I suspect the main difference is that I have a ton of puppy
       experience so I don't sweat it when they do something
       normal-but-annoying like regress.  Or parkour.  Heh.  I bet that
       is super funny to watch even though it's alarming.
       These zoomies are happening in the evening, right?  Does he go
       to daycare?  Can they try a little harder to wear him out there?
       Puppies need off-lead exercise and I know this is a challenge
       to get when you live in a city.
       One of the main tenets of shaping, as you know, is to try very
       hard to decide what you want the puppy to *do*, as opposed to
       *not* do.  So if you don't want him to jump on the coffee table,
       what is it that you do want?
       Also, and I just made this up in my head this very second, might
       it be fun to make an actual little obstacle course for him and
       teach him to run it?  Stuff to go over, under, through, and
       onto?
       #Post#: 43705--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: TwoASAPsAgo
       Date: November 19, 2021, 1:27 pm
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
       >
       >
       > I suspect the main difference is that I have a ton of puppy
       experience so I don't sweat it when they do something
       normal-but-annoying like regress.  Or parkour.  Heh.  I bet that
       is super funny to watch even though it's alarming.
       >
       > These zoomies are happening in the evening, right?  Does he go
       to daycare?  Can they try a little harder to wear him out there?
       Puppies need off-lead exercise and I know this is a challenge
       to get when you live in a city.
       >
       > One of the main tenets of shaping, as you know, is to try very
       hard to decide what you want the puppy to *do*, as opposed to
       *not* do.  So if you don't want him to jump on the coffee table,
       what is it that you do want?
       >
       > Also, and I just made this up in my head this very second,
       might it be fun to make an actual little obstacle course for him
       and teach him to run it?  Stuff to go over, under, through, and
       onto?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The parkour is hilarious, but it's loud, which makes us bad
       upstairs neighbors, and messes up the wood floors.  I don't want
       to buy rugs for the living room if I'm going to be moving in a
       couple of months, but that would solve half the issues with it.
       Cy goes to daycare/training three days a week and comes home
       exhausted each time.  His trainer always includes a visit to the
       dogpark, so he gets a chance to run offleash.
       On the other days, I walk him four to five times a day, but
       mostly can't trust him offleash anywhere in my neighborhood.  I
       sometimes sneak running time in our lobby during off-hours, or
       he runs in the hallways of the apartment.  I'd like to get him
       some regular running time at the nearby dogpark, but the weather
       is becoming a complication and I'm still a bit traumatized by
       the incident.  When the rest of his clothes finally arrive, and
       hopefully fit, we'll see.
       His occasional zoomies (maybe once a week?) are manageable and
       hilarious (totally OCD, as in he duplicates whatever pattern he
       starts, at least three times).  An obstacle course would be fun,
       but challenging in my NYC apartment.  I do plan to put him into
       agility training at some point, but that probably won't be
       before Spring.
       With the parkour, I think it is partly due to a recent growth
       spurt. He isn't necessarily running around, but just eyeballing
       the place six feet away, where he would suddenly rather sit and
       thinking "sure, I can make it!"  Then he goes for it.  Then he
       decides the original spot was better, so leaps back. The
       pivot-to-armchair thing is because that's his spot to stare out
       the window.
       As for the coffee table, I want him doing anything but try to
       stand or jump on it.  I've left a pile of laundry on it for
       weeks, just to keep him off it.  But that annoys me.  Maybe I
       will start shaping on putting away toys instead.
       #Post#: 43710--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: November 19, 2021, 1:31 pm
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       Cy sounds wonderful.
       So "anything except X" is a blessing and a curse because you
       need to pick something. Luckily you can pick nearly anything.
       Wildly making things up I think I might teach him to army crawl
       *under* the coffee table and make that a super fun thing to do
       and get treats and praise for.
       #Post#: 43720--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: November 19, 2021, 1:44 pm
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       Oh, and I forgot to mention something your trainer and doggy
       daycare people probably tell you all the time:  puppy antics are
       a temporary problem.  I know that that doesn't make them any
       less annoying in the moment, but sometimes it helps to remember
       that he is definitely going to outgrow a ton of this stuff.
       #Post#: 43724--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: TwoASAPsAgo
       Date: November 19, 2021, 1:50 pm
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       Yes, in just a month, he has already outgrown some of his worst
       behaviors.
       Just last week, he started bumping me with his nose when he
       wants attention. Bump, bump. 😆😆 Before he would
       have either tried jumping on me (which I ignore) or gnawing at
       my clothes.
       #Post#: 46142--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: November 29, 2021, 9:16 am
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       LCP doesn't jump but she definitely invites herself onto the
       sofa and then suddenly you have a now-70lb lapful of chocolate
       colored attention hog.
       We bought a Kong wobbler for her and for reasons I cannot fathom
       it has disappeared into the fifth dimension.  So yesterday I
       purchased another one and also this, the Kong "rewards wally."
  HTML https://www.kongcompany.com/dog/play-type/interactive/rewards-wally
       Reader, she ate it.  Do not buy this product.  She used it as
       advertised, then when all of the food was gone (or maybe there
       was still some inside?) she somehow managed to get it open and
       chewed the hell out of the edges so that it is now useless and I
       had to throw it away.
       The wobbler, however, I highly recommend.  I bought it because
       it's indestructible and also it can't roll under the sofa.  I
       have no ideas on how to keep it from entering the fifth
       dimension, alas.  Fingers crossed the new one stays in my family
       room.
       #Post#: 46519--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: TwoASAPsAgo
       Date: November 29, 2021, 7:57 pm
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
       >
       > LCP doesn't jump but she definitely invites herself onto the
       sofa and then suddenly you have a now-70lb lapful of chocolate
       colored attention hog.
       >
       > We bought a Kong wobbler for her and for reasons I cannot
       fathom it has disappeared into the fifth dimension.  So
       yesterday I purchased another one and also this, the Kong
       "rewards wally."
       >
  HTML https://www.kongcompany.com/dog/play-type/interactive/rewards-wally
       >
       > Reader, she ate it.  Do not buy this product.  She used it as
       advertised, then when all of the food was gone (or maybe there
       was still some inside?) she somehow managed to get it open and
       chewed the hell out of the edges so that it is now useless and I
       had to throw it away.
       >
       > The wobbler, however, I highly recommend.  I bought it because
       it's indestructible and also it can't roll under the sofa.  I
       have no ideas on how to keep it from entering the fifth
       dimension, alas.  Fingers crossed the new one stays in my family
       room.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yikes!  What do you do when you know she ate plastic??  Does it
       pass through?  (I might have a self-interested reason for
       asking.)
       I have something similar to the Kong wobbler.  I like it because
       it's not too noisy on the kitchen tiles and I can adjust the
       size of the openings.
  HTML https://www.amazon.com/StarMark-Bob-Lot-Interactive-Small/dp/B003YHB8EI/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?crid=3NLUCKENGQ8X6&keywords=dog+wobbler+feeder&qid=1638237072&qsid=133-2369828-9303653&sprefix=dog+wobbler%2Caps%2C94&sr=8-11&sres=B003ALMW0M%2CB0966LSNPM%2CB073TP1H8Y%2CB071CDDK4Z%2CB077P9HP4F%2CB09D7JJZR3%2CB014AE9J7G%2CB003YHB8EI%2CB0714JXCB9%2CB08FY3396J%2CB00P0MK4UO%2CB0755BGL8N%2CB07BXGPDN8%2CB07J9QQSS4&srpt=PET_TOY
       #Post#: 46523--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: November 29, 2021, 8:03 pm
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       She only ate some tiny bits, if any. What she really did is
       break it into bits and spit them out. Made a right mess.
       I have thankfully never had to figure out what to do when my dog
       ate something dangerous.
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