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       #Post#: 22582--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: September 29, 2021, 12:53 pm
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       --- Quote from: AbidingDudev4.1 link ---
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       > It's okay sometimes to just admit temporary defeat.
       >
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       Where did you get that picture of us?!?!
       #Post#: 22646--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: kkt
       Date: September 29, 2021, 2:09 pm
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       --- Quote from: AbidingDudev4.1 link ---
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       > It's okay sometimes to just admit temporary defeat.
       >
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       A former boss who'd previously worked at a public library told
       me that it was the dog training books that got destroyed the
       most.
       #Post#: 22723--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: September 29, 2021, 3:57 pm
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       --- Quote from: Skowronek link ---
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       > [quote author=Queenie link=topic=166.msg20315#msg20315
       date=1632497445]
       > I need to get LCP out to where the people are.  When my kids
       were younger we attended many youth sporting events and I
       consider these the gold standard for socialization
       opportunities.
       >
       > Now my kids are grown and I find myself disconnected from the
       youth sports schedule.
       >
       > I'm sure this varies by town, but does anyone have an idea of
       how to find out where the games are?
       >
       > The only thing I know to check is the high school web page and
       dogs are now forbidden there.  There has to be some kind of
       publicly accessible schedule for the rec league events, right?
       >
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       You first have to look for the local rec leagues and then
       generally they have a publicly posted schedule.  OR find the
       fields they use and see if they post announcements or drive by
       on a Saturday to see if cars are congregating.
       With former awesome dog I would take her to the fields while one
       or both of the kids were practicing and there was usually a herd
       of younger siblings around.  They all got to make her do tricks,
       help walk her, play fetch (while leashed, of course - I had two
       20' lunge lines hooked together) and it was fun for all
       concerned.  They thought is was strictly fun.  I knew I was
       using their youth and enthusiasm to channel her energy and to
       learn to listen to friendly squeaky strangers.
       [/quote]
       Yes, that is the general idea.  My slobberdogs were absolutely
       bomb proof and I credit youth sporting events for this.
       #Post#: 22917--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: iamnotarobot
       Date: September 30, 2021, 6:48 am
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
       >
       > I need to get LCP out to where the people are.  When my kids
       were younger we attended many youth sporting events and I
       consider these the gold standard for socialization
       opportunities.
       >
       > Now my kids are grown and I find myself disconnected from the
       youth sports schedule.
       >
       > I'm sure this varies by town, but does anyone have an idea of
       how to find out where the games are?
       >
       > The only thing I know to check is the high school web page and
       dogs are now forbidden there.  There has to be some kind of
       publicly accessible schedule for the rec league events, right?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I take robotdog to the free childrens events that the
       fire/ems/police departments hold. It's only a couple a year, so
       not regular enough to take the place of what you're saying, but
       has the added bonus of him being used to large and unusual
       vehicles from the time he was a puppy. He's a recognizable dog
       too so god forbid he ever be let out of the house by a burgler
       or something the police would possibly recognize him as living
       locally too.
       #Post#: 27691--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: TwoASAPsAgo
       Date: October 10, 2021, 5:48 pm
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       Not a training question, but ... could someone who has had
       puppies chime in on how fast the teeth start to drop when they
       start to fall?
       Cy has lost two in the last two hours, and I just want to get a
       sense of whether to worry ... trying not to be the person who
       calls the vet for every little thing.  Plus we have a vet
       appointment this Saturday.
       But on the training side, I let him have a beatup, old oven mitt
       I've used for years.  He seems to love it as much as my sandals.
       Plus he can bury his nose in it and shake it.  I "confiscated"
       it at least once, so gets to enjoy thinking he's stealing it
       from me.  Let's see if he'll forget about the sandals.
       😁
       Edited less than 1 minute later to say: No, he has not forgotten
       the sandals. 🤦‍♀️
       Edited 15 minutes later to say:  I'll try putting my foot in it
       for awhile to see if that helps.
       #Post#: 27713--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: October 10, 2021, 8:00 pm
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       Totes normal.
       #Post#: 33979--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: TwoASAPsAgo
       Date: October 27, 2021, 11:06 am
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       So starting yesterday, Cy abruptly regressed on his most
       successful training: sitting at the door until I "okay" him to
       go through it.  We've worked on this progressively 4 times per
       day, for at least 10 weeks now.  The first time ever, it took
       him about 5 minutes.  Since then it's usually just seconds.
       Yesterday/today, he couldn't figure it out at all, even after 15
       minutes, even with hints.
       His daycare/trainer "Mary" texted a little while ago to say he's
       forgotten "sit" -- something he's usually solid on (unless
       there's an exciting distraction).  WTF?
       Mary thinks the issue is Cy is wearing clothes for the first
       time (started yesterday), and that's confusing to him. That is
       the only new variable I can think of -- and I hope that's all it
       is.*  Anyone have any experience with something like this?
       * Cy was in the ER about 10 days ago after a bad incident at the
       dog park, and is still on antibiotics and showing signs of being
       traumatized.  But his door work and sit have been consistently
       fine until yesterday.  So I don't think the sudden change is due
       to the incident -- though of course my brain first has to run
       through the parade of horribles.
       #Post#: 33995--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: October 27, 2021, 11:41 am
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       Regression in puppies isn't unusual at all.  So many
       possibilities including but not limited to:
       --He's about to have a growth spurt.
       --There's some weird thing that you haven't noticed distracting
       him now.
       --Something happened to make him associate sitting at the door
       with something bad.
       --It's physically painful for him to sit for a reason you
       haven't figured out yet.
       So I'd like to know
       What are the "clothes"?
       Do they hurt him when he sits?
       Can he wait at the door in some other position, such as "stand"?
       Can he sit in other places?
       I'm really sorry about the dog park incident.  If it really
       scared him this might be spilling over in unanticipated ways.
       My very first impulse at times like this is to assume that he
       wants to do right, but for some reason he just can't.  And then
       I look for that reason.  Did he sit on a bee recently, perhaps
       at the door?  Did you hang a scary halloween decoration that's
       distracting him?  Are his "clothes" binding him somehow when he
       sits?  I'm just grasping at straws here.
       Can you tell me more about his behaviour when you ask him to sit
       and he doesn't?
       #Post#: 33996--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: guest33
       Date: October 27, 2021, 11:42 am
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       --- Quote from: TwoASAPsAgo link ---
       >
       > So starting yesterday, Cy abruptly regressed on his most
       successful training: sitting at the door until I "okay" him to
       go through it.  We've worked on this progressively 4 times per
       day, for at least 10 weeks now.  The first time ever, it took
       him about 5 minutes.  Since then it's usually just seconds.
       Yesterday/today, he couldn't figure it out at all, even after 15
       minutes, even with hints.
       >
       > His daycare/trainer "Mary" texted a little while ago to say
       he's forgotten "sit" -- something he's usually solid on (unless
       there's an exciting distraction).  WTF?
       >
       > Mary thinks the issue is Cy is wearing clothes for the first
       time (started yesterday), and that's confusing to him. That is
       the only new variable I can think of -- and I hope that's all it
       is.*  Anyone have any experience with something like this?
       >
       > * Cy was in the ER about 10 days ago after a bad incident at
       the dog park, and is still on antibiotics and showing signs of
       being traumatized.  But his door work and sit have been
       consistently fine until yesterday.  So I don't think the sudden
       change is due to the incident -- though of course my brain first
       has to run through the parade of horribles.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       First so sorry to hear poor Cy was traumatized.
       I could see it being the clothing, but I’m assuming your trainer
       knows what happened to him?
       We tend to think that dogs think like we do, but they don’t.  It
       just may be that back to the beginning with sit.  Which is ok.
       Two steps forward, one step back, it happens.
       Our sweet girl Sadie was abused before we adopted her.  And
       still after 5 years of us adoring, training, loving her, and
       consistently setting boundaries for her, I can still see signs
       sometimes from before.  We continue to work with her, and at the
       same time make sure we don’t put her in situations she is
       currently destined to fail.
       We also continue to work with her with the goal of getting her
       better.
       #Post#: 34039--------------------------------------------------
       Re: training questions
   DIR By: TwoASAPsAgo
       Date: October 27, 2021, 12:43 pm
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       --- Quote from: MayaMia link ---
       >
       > First so sorry to hear poor Cy was traumatized.
       >
       > I could see it being the clothing, but I’m assuming your
       trainer knows what happened to him?
       >
       > We tend to think that dogs think like we do, but they don’t.
       It just may be that back to the beginning with sit.  Which is
       ok.  Two steps forward, one step back, it happens.
       >
       >
       >
       > Our sweet girl Sadie was abused before we adopted her.  And
       still after 5 years of us adoring, training, loving her, and
       consistently setting boundaries for her, I can still see signs
       sometimes from before.  We continue to work with her, and at the
       same time make sure we don’t put her in situations she is
       currently destined to fail.
       >
       > We also continue to work with her with the goal of getting her
       better.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks, Maya. Yes, his trainer is aware and has been keeping a
       close eye on him.  She noticed he has become reactive around
       larger dogs, even the puppies, so she's working with him on that
       as a priority.
       So sorry that Sadie went through that.  It's great that she has
       you and your family now.
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