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#Post#: 823--------------------------------------------------
Create a Locked Room!
By: Kirei Ryuusei Date: May 18, 2011, 5:33 pm
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I probably should've titled this differently but no matter! I
shall write it either way! This is a thread for you to make up
your own situations for a locked room or murder(s). In this
thread other members can try to decode your mystery and you (if
you're a 'nice' game master) can give hints or point out the
ways of solving it.
Here goes...(I made this one with a friend on another site)
Six people are missing: Kumasawa, Rudolf, Rosa, Hideyoshi,
Natsuhi, and Krauss. Everyone has searched everywhere but one
place. Kinzo's room.The door to Kinzo's room is locked. As you
know, it's on the second floor (pretty high up might I add) and
his door locks automatically once the door is shut. The only
ones with access to the room are the servants with the one-wing
crest. This means only Genji, Shannon, and Kanon possess a key
to the door. A strange odor is emitting from behind it, and only
by using one of the servants' keys is the closed room broken.
Once inside you see a small table set up. You find both Natsuhi
and Krauss sitting on either end. Both are dead before what
appears to be a dinner with a lot of meat on their plates. On
the floor, at the foot of the dead couple is a mass of bones.
Mystery: Find out happened to the other corpses, how the six
victims were killed, and how the culprit would get away with it.
#Post#: 831--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: Yopee Date: May 19, 2011, 7:45 pm
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Wait so do you mean Genji, Shannon, and Kanon were outside
Kinzo's room? How is this a locked room murder if the keys and
the people that can lock the door are outside of it? Wait wait
wait. The door locks by itself even! Anybody could have killed
them! This is not a locked room murder at all!
Or maybe you're holding back on your red truths?
#Post#: 832--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: Kirei Ryuusei Date: May 19, 2011, 9:58 pm
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Yare, yare, quite a detective. I was waiting until guesses went
around before I cut them. I suppose it cannot be helped...
The keys were not given to anyone and the servants did not
unlock the door for anyone
#Post#: 840--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: Yopee Date: May 21, 2011, 9:37 pm
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Hmmmm that red is kind of sloppy. By anyone, do you mean anyone
else aside from Genji, Shannon, and Kanon or actually everyone
that's on rokkenjima? The keys were not given to anyone and only
Genji, Shannon, and Kanon possess a key to the door are kinda
contradictory so that definition of anyone should probably be
cleared up.
Might wanna also confirm that the four missing people (Kumasawa,
Rudolf, Rosa, Hideyoshi) are indeed dead.
Also, just as a cautionary measure but when you say "Once
inside, you see a small table set up. You find both Natsuhi and
Krauss sitting on either end etc etc", does 'you' refer to a
detective/a person who cannot be the culprit?
I'm not sure if your gameboard is the same as the official
umineko one so is Kinzo dead way before these murders happen? I
mean, it is Kinzo's room so if the old fart's alive, he would
most certainly be in his own room and could be involved in these
murders.
I'm guessing that you are playing fair so the general rules like
Knox's Decalogue, and Van Dine's Twenty rules apply right?
I'm sure you can confirm all of the above in red. Now that the
boring stuff is out of the way, let's get on with the juicy
bits.
Theory#1
The culprit entered Kinzo's room together with the six people
that are dead or missing. Once inside, the culprit did his/her
killings. Then the culprit moved the four missing bodies
(Kumasawa, Rudolf, Rosa, Hideyoshi) to a location in Kinzo's
room that 'you' did not check. Then the culprit exited Kinzo's
room and, remembering to have good manners, closed the door
behind him/her :D
Theory#1b (only works if one of the four missing people are not
dead)
Same as theory#1 except the culprit is one of the four that are
missing, hiding inside a location in Kinzo's room that 'you' did
not check. The culprit never left Kinzo's room after the murders
were done.
Theory#2 (only works if 'anyone' refers to everyone except for
Genji, Shannon, and Kanon)
The culprit is one of the servants with the key to Kinzo's room.
The culprit entered the room with the key before the six
dead/missing people entered. The culprit hid inside Kinzo's
room, waiting to ambush the six dead/missing people. The culprit
did his/her killings. Then, the culprit moved the four missing
bodies to a location in Kinzo's room that 'you' did not check.
The culprit then left the room.
Theory#2b
Same as theory#2 except the culprit chose to hide and never left
Kinzo's room after the murders were done.
Theory#2c
Same as theory#2 except the culprit set up traps to kill the six
dead/missing people. The culprit was hiding inside Kinzo's room,
waiting for the six to die from the traps. Afterwards, the
culprit moved the four missing bodies to a location in Kinzo's
room that 'you' did not check. The culprit then left the room.
Theory#2d
Same as theory#2c except the culprit chose to hide and never
left Kinzo's room after the murders were done.
Theory#2e
Same as theory#2c except the culprit set up the traps before the
six dead/missing people entered the room and left the room after
the traps were set. Then, the culprit returned to the room after
the murders were done.
Theory#3
Same as theory#2 except the culprit entered the room after the
six dead/missing people entered. Someone inside Kinzo's room
opened the door to let the culprit into Kinzo's room. The
culprit left Kinzo's room after the murders were done.
Theory#3a
Same as theory#3 except the culprit chose to hide and never left
Kinzo's room after the murders were done.
I will stick with these three lines of thinking for now. I have
no idea what those bones under the table are for but maybe Kinzo
had a dog and those bones were regularly brought in by the
servants to keep the dog entertained?? lol wtf am I saying...
#Post#: 841--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: Kirei Ryuusei Date: May 22, 2011, 12:55 am
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Heh, I'll improve as I get more experience in constructing a
murder. I'll try this again...
The only keys are in possession of Genji, Shannon, and Kanon.
None of them gave their keys to anyone nor opened the door for
anyone on the island. All missing are definitely dead and there
are only 18 people present on the island. 'You' refers the
detective of the game, meaning Knox's Decalogue and Van Dine's
Commandments can be used in this situation.
Theory #1
All six victims are in the room and have been seen by 'you'
Theory #2 and #3
This contradicts Van Dine's 11th: The servant cannot be the
murderer
#Post#: 842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: Yopee Date: May 22, 2011, 1:28 pm
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hehe so all six of them are in Kinzo's room and seen by the
detective. By seen, does that mean the detective has confirmed
that all six of them are indeed dead? All missing are definitely
dead but they have been found by the detective so I'm not sure
they could still be called missing. My hiding culprit theories
still hold if at least one of them are just playing dead.
Also, may I assume the detective has thoroughly searched Kinzo's
room? Since the detective has found all of the victims, I could
just say no hiding culprit was found inside the room right?
So I guess Genji, Shannon, and Kanon are not involved with these
murders at all which also means the keys were not involved in
the murders which means theory#2 is down the drain. Theories#1
and 3 still hold since they do not require a servant/key to gain
entry into the locked room.
Which brings me to my fourth theory...
Theory#4
The door to Kinzo's room was not closed/locked before the
murders took place. The culprit entered the room and hid inside
Kinzo's room, waiting to ambush the six dead/missing people. The
culprit did his/her killings. The culprit then left the room.
Theory#4b
Same as theory#4 except the culprit set up traps to kill the six
dead/missing people.
#Post#: 843--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: Kirei Ryuusei Date: May 23, 2011, 2:53 pm
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All of the victims were killed and are in plain sight of the
detective. All of the victims are dead, as confirmed by the
detective.
Both theories #3 and #4 are accepted. Are you ready to know my
truth of the scenario?
#Post#: 845--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: GoldenSorcererBattler Date: May 23, 2011, 7:06 pm
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Knox's 6th
It is forbidden for accident or intuiton to be employed as a
detective technique.
So trap-x can't be used.
The culprit hide in Kinzo's Room before the victims came into
the room, waited for the right moment then killed them all. The
culprit then made his way out of the Locked Room threw the
window.
#Post#: 849--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: Yopee Date: May 23, 2011, 10:01 pm
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[quote author=GoldenSorcererBattler link=topic=128.msg845#msg845
date=1306195569]
Knox's 6th
It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a
detective technique.
So trap-x can't be used.
[/quote]
Should be Knox's 8th actually but your point stands.
[quote author=GoldenSorcererBattler link=topic=128.msg845#msg845
date=1306195569]
The culprit hide in Kinzo's Room before the victims came into
the room, waited for the right moment then killed them all. The
culprit then made his way out of the Locked Room threw the
window.
[/quote]
How did the culprit get into the room? How could the culprit get
out from the window without getting hurt when it's so high up?
Why not just use the door??? lol
[quote author=Kirei Ryuusei link=topic=128.msg843#msg843
date=1306180416]
All of the victims were killed and are in plain sight of the
detective. All of the victims are dead, as confirmed by the
detective.
Both theories #3 and #4 are accepted. Are you ready to know my
truth of the scenario?
[/quote]
So theory#1 has been rejected then?
hmmmm Culprit either entered with someone's help inside the room
or the door was not closed in the first place before the murders
happened. Ok, please give me your answer. Hope I wasn't too far
off lol
#Post#: 850--------------------------------------------------
Re: Create a Locked Room!
By: GoldenSorcererBattler Date: May 24, 2011, 12:05 am
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Sorry wrong Knox.
Knox's 4th
[Color=Red]It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to
understand scientific devices to be used[/Color].
Knox's 2nd
[Color=Red]
It is forbidden for supernaural agencies to be employed as a
detective technique[/Color].
[Color=Red]The culprit could get out of Kinzo's room it has
already been show how it could be done by Battler in EP
5[/Color].
[Color=Blue]The culprit could waited for the door to be open by
someone, then walk in behind them without making any
sounds[/Color].
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