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       Cities development 
   DIR By: Rick1984
       Date: April 28, 2013, 7:29 pm
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       Both cities have tram networks.
       The east city system is very old and extensive. Most of the
       trams are older, probably 1960, with additional trams from
       eighties and some modern low floor builds, articulated. These
       are restricted from the narrower and tighter routes.
       The city probably has a Vienna like feel. Architecture is
       gothic/Victorian around station and the main centre on river
       banks. To the north is art nouveau, fading into more modern
       architecture. The old town is medieval timber frame and
       chocolate box houses with winding narrow streets. It slopes up
       to castle with many stairway alleys.
       Clocks, musical instruments and the like are classic industries.
       Modern suburbs spread out into valleys, giving way to occasional
       large Swiss chalets, one or two together and the occasional
       hamlet. The middle valley has a mixture of light industry and
       modern settlements. The airport is also here.
       The other city is more modern and focused on business, including
       finance. The architecture is extensively art deco, followed by
       post modern. The rest is formed of modern architecture. Unlike
       other cities new buildings are vetted to maintain character of
       city.
       it has a very crisp clean feel with a generally grid layout and
       lots of green space. It is pleasant but occasionally a little
       soulless.
       It's tram network dates from eighties and most trams are from
       this period, with some newer units, although these are still
       boxy in appearance. The are only a few lines, maybe around 6
       supplemented by the light rail lines. It is very efficient with
       good levels of separation, making use of the wide streets. It is
       all, or nearly all, over ground but makes extensive use of dive
       users at junctions.
       Please add any thoughts criticisms.
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       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Michael
       Date: April 29, 2013, 3:52 am
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       I was imaging something smaller I think as it sounds quite an
       extensive city.
       However that doesn't really matter and what you have described
       sounds great.
       Is it quite a hilly city.
       The Western city sound's a good contrast and the LRT/tram
       system, sounds perfectly suited to it.
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       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Michael
       Date: April 29, 2013, 4:01 am
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       The castle hill sounds like a good place for a funicular.
       I could see an on-street funicular like the ones in Lisbon:
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       Elevador da Bica is my favourite. If you like the idea it should
       definitely pass under a building, through an archway or start in
       one.
       Obviously would have more of a Swiss feel to it and would have
       older Cars.
       A Great Orme stlye tram could also work but I think one of these
       type would be more orginal
       #Post#: 567--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Rick1984
       Date: April 29, 2013, 4:20 am
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       not sure exactly of size but thinking about it there should be a
       couple of decent sized cities in the region. as i said Edinburgh
       but maybe bigger? you should be able to get rough idea of
       geography from that map. it sits in between mountains and the
       only significant hill is the old town. probably volcanic or
       glacial, probably starts to slope at base of mountains but there
       too step to permit building higher up, instead the city spread
       into valleys. do you want a swatch at w.i.p. map mkii?
       #Post#: 568--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Rick1984
       Date: April 29, 2013, 4:24 am
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       fernicualr would work. not on the front (river) face though.
       either the back or side
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       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Michael
       Date: April 29, 2013, 4:37 am
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       might be useful to see MK2. The 'Island' areas where the city
       centre is would be quite flat I'd imagine, but where the valley
       narrows would be steeper and V shaped- So not hilly but fairly
       steep in parts?
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       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Michael
       Date: April 29, 2013, 4:48 am
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       Just another idea.
       A railway going up the castle hill to a view point above the
       city. Maybe funicular or cog.
       Just an idea and if you don't like it that's fine
       #Post#: 572--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Michael
       Date: April 29, 2013, 6:11 am
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       Building at bottom of Castle Funicular
       #Post#: 575--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Rick1984
       Date: April 29, 2013, 6:30 am
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       the valleys are U shaped so fairly flat. the middle one
       eventually goes to glacier (more to come on that) but at this
       point wide and flat. (actually widest of 3). the island is only
       old town. attached a quick sketch, should help. undulating would
       prob be best description of city but its pretty tame.  the
       tunnel bit comes from Prague. the bridge across to old town is
       impressive. castlelated with a gatehouse 'landside'
       l like idea of making more of that castle, maybe a garden
       observatory and such. would be more inclined toward fernicular
       or cable car. perhaps we can come up with something unique?:
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       Re: Cities development 
   DIR By: Michael
       Date: April 29, 2013, 6:35 am
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       Ah ok thought it would be a V shaped valley for some reason,
       understand better now.
       Maybe some sort of cable towed railway?
       The funicular up to the castle makes sense as it's a way to get
       tourist up to the Castle
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