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Environment & Pollution Errata
By: RE Date: January 18, 2022, 3:53 am
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Kickoff Article.
HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60026748
Plastic crisis needs binding treaty, report says
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Chemical pollution has passed safe limit for humanity, say scien
tists
By: RE Date: January 19, 2022, 2:38 pm
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Those darn scientists. Maybe they actually know something.
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/18/chemical-pollution-has-passed-safe-limit-for-humanity-say-scientists
Chemical pollution has passed safe limit for humanity, say
scientists
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Peru demands compensation for disastrous oil spill caused by Ton
ga volcano
By: RE Date: January 20, 2022, 5:43 am
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Only 6000 Barrels. Chump Change.
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/peru-spain-repsol-disastrous-oil-spill
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Re: Chemical pollution has passed safe limit for humanity, say s
cientists
By: BuddyJ Date: January 20, 2022, 4:26 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=97.msg2508#msg2508 date=1642624738]
Those darn scientists. Maybe they actually know something.
RE
[/quote]
We always have. But morons wouldn't listen to us about peak oil,
why would we expect them to listen to us about anything else?
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Re: Chemical pollution has passed safe limit for humanity, say s
cientists
By: RE Date: January 20, 2022, 5:00 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=97.msg2529#msg2529
date=1642717567]
[quote author=RE link=topic=97.msg2508#msg2508 date=1642624738]
Those darn scientists. Maybe they actually know something.
RE
[/quote]
We always have. But morons wouldn't listen to us about peak oil,
why would we expect them to listen to us about anything else?
[/quote]
They don't listen to us due to the Upton Sinclari Rule:
HTML https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-it-is-difficult-to-get-a-man-to-understand-something-when-his-salary-depends-upon-his-upton-sinclair-27-30-36.jpg
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Re: Chemical pollution has passed safe limit for humanity, say s
cientists
By: BuddyJ Date: January 20, 2022, 7:47 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=97.msg2530#msg2530 date=1642719649]
[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=97.msg2529#msg2529
date=1642717567]
[quote author=RE link=topic=97.msg2508#msg2508 date=1642624738]
Those darn scientists. Maybe they actually know something.
RE
[/quote]
We always have. But morons wouldn't listen to us about peak oil,
why would we expect them to listen to us about anything else?
[/quote]
They don't listen to us due to the Upton Sinclari Rule:[/quote]
Saying it....again....doesn't make it so. Never has, and I've
even explained why in the past. Any reason you completely avoid
the idea that some of us are required to be as independent as
possible, including via salary, in order to be beyond reproach?
Does the idea that such a thing can even exist bother you for
some reason?
Or are you claiming that you yourself have been compromised when
delivering your professional opinion? Or because of who paid
your salary?
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Re: Environment & Pollution Errata
By: RE Date: January 20, 2022, 9:39 pm
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All opinions are compromised.
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Re: Environment & Pollution Errata
By: BuddyJ Date: January 20, 2022, 11:06 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=97.msg2532#msg2532 date=1642736377]
All opinions are compromised.
RE
[/quote]
All opinions are opinions. When it comes to professionals
offering different ones in court, there are rules for sorting
out those that might be compromised. Who pays your salary being
a completely reasonable one. Conflicts of interest based on your
investments, prior work and clients, you can figure out the list
as well as those of us who have been through the process.
Because of the way the oil and gas industry pays it's people,
with compensation beyond just a paycheck, it is difficult to
find the uncompromised in that industry outside of academia. Not
impossible, just more difficult than others. And when you use
the usual academics, you get academic knowledge. Not field and
operational experience, management and legal experience all
generated from the doing of a thing, rather than the "I read
many books on the topic" type experience. "I built a model".
So...opinions are opinions....but some are certainly more
qualified than others. And through luck and happenstance,
completely free of the influence you would prefer a dissenting
one involve.
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Re: Environment & Pollution Errata
By: RE Date: January 20, 2022, 11:57 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=97.msg2534#msg2534
date=1642741588]
All opinions are opinions. When it comes to professionals
offering different ones in court, there are rules for sorting
out those that might be compromised.
[/quote]
Now you have switched from science to the legal profession, and
lawyers pitch even more bullshyt than scientists. You can even
bullshyt math, particularly statistics, but other areas also.
In the old days we used to have blackboard contests to write
outrageous proofs, particularly in economics. Or make time go
backwards or gravity go up. For me, I just apply my own metric
of CFS. I can usually navigate thru the bullshyt this way.
RE
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Re: Environment & Pollution Errata
By: BuddyJ Date: January 21, 2022, 6:01 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=97.msg2535#msg2535 date=1642744647]
[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=97.msg2534#msg2534
date=1642741588]
All opinions are opinions. When it comes to professionals
offering different ones in court, there are rules for sorting
out those that might be compromised.
[/quote]
Now you have switched from science to the legal profession, and
lawyers pitch even more bullshyt than scientists.
[/quote]
I've never claimed to be a lawyer, although I have experience
dealing with them, testifying on behalf of a company, running
science teams for civil lawsuits, purchasing companies during
acquisitions, and so on and so forth.
What is your level of participation in offering up opinions in
either civil or criminal courts and how was determined to be of
value or not?
[quote author=RE]
You can even bullshyt math, particularly statistics, but other
areas also.
[/quote]
I can bullshyt far more than that, but I'm not paid to bullshyt.
I do that for free online. I'm paid to know more of the topic at
hand than other folks, with no conflicts of interest. Which is
why your Upton Sinclair comment doesn't work on me. If it did, I
wouldn't be one of those national treasure types. ;)
[quote author=RE]
In the old days we used to have blackboard contests to write
outrageous proofs, particularly in economics. Or make time go
backwards or gravity go up. For me, I just apply my own metric
of CFS. I can usually navigate thru the bullshyt this way.
RE
[/quote]
And when you tried this out in a courtroom in went over well did
it?
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