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#Post#: 2094--------------------------------------------------
Collapse Pontifications
By: K-Dog Date: December 16, 2021, 11:12 am
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A very long video and I am posting it while it plays.
HTML https://youtu.be/5k8PT4Po4Mo
I am not sure where it will go but the man is serious and he is
talking about collapse issues from social perspectives that I
think about. Richard is not an expert on collapse in the same
way we are here, but he gets the sickness driving the human
stupidity.
* I finished. Interesting Guy.
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Re: Collapse Pontifications
By: RE Date: December 16, 2021, 12:47 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=92.msg2094#msg2094
date=1639674763]
I am not sure where it will go but the man is serious and he is
talking about collapse issues from social perspectives that I
think about. Richard is not an expert on collapse in the same
way we are here, but he gets the sickness driving the human
stupidity.
[/quote]
I listened to about 1/3rd of it, and he makes a lot of
interesting sociological points. I did get a little annoyed by
his refrain that "This is OK". This is how we are supposed to
be. Unhappy, conflicted etc. The "Human Condition" as it were.
The idea of rebelling against "safety" as defined by goobermint
is directly challenging mask mandates, vaccines and so forth.
He says life is always risky, and you have to live (or die) with
that fact.
At least as far as I have listened, he hasn't really proposed a
way out of the "Matrix". He's also doing a small seminar for a
few well educated people. Assuming his ideas are valid, how
could you get the vast majority of stupid people to act on them?
RE
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Re: Collapse Pontifications
By: K-Dog Date: December 16, 2021, 7:27 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=92.msg2099#msg2099 date=1639680451]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=92.msg2094#msg2094
date=1639674763]
I am not sure where it will go but the man is serious and he is
talking about collapse issues from social perspectives that I
think about. Richard is not an expert on collapse in the same
way we are here, but he gets the sickness driving the human
stupidity.
[/quote]
I listened to about 1/3rd of it, and he makes a lot of
interesting sociological points. I did get a little annoyed by
his refrain that "This is OK". This is how we are supposed to
be. Unhappy, conflicted etc. The "Human Condition" as it were.
The idea of rebelling against "safety" as defined by goobermint
is directly challenging mask mandates, vaccines and so forth.
He says life is always risky, and you have to live (or die) with
that fact.
At least as far as I have listened, he hasn't really proposed a
way out of the "Matrix". He's also doing a small seminar for a
few well educated people. Assuming his ideas are valid, how
could you get the vast majority of stupid people to act on them?
RE
[/quote]
I finished it. I agree with your annoyance about his playing
around with **** being normal and having to live or die with the
fact. Despite my acceptance of that fact. His talk is only
about social reasons for collapse. I watched another video by
Richard later so I can't remember... this one or that one...
anyway somewhere he says:
[move]"Imagine a world where everyone just grew the ****
up."[/move]
Never going to happen of course but from his quite valid point,
what if a pocket of self sufficient people could get together
and just grow the **** up.
HTML https://youtu.be/umS3XM3xAPk
Green Acres of course would not be it. But................
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Re: Collapse Pontifications
By: RE Date: December 16, 2021, 11:09 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=92.msg2104#msg2104
date=1639704429]
I finished it. I agree with your annoyance about his playing
around with **** being normal and having to live or die with the
fact. Despite my acceptance of that fact. His talk is only
about social reasons for collapse. I watched another video by
Richard later so I can't remember... this one or that one...
anyway somewhere he says:
[move]"Imagine a world where everyone just grew the ****
up."[/move]
Never going to happen of course but from his quite valid point,
what if a pocket of self sufficient people could get together
and just grow the **** up.
Green Acres of course would not be it. But................
[/quote]
This was of course the idea behind the SUN project. Most of us
understand the concept that an individual Doomsteader can't
survive, you need a community of some size. How big? Let's say
minimum Dunbar's number, around 150. But can such a small
community be self-sufficient with the current level of
technology? Definitely not. You can't make your own solar
panels or microprocessors, obviously. You probably can't make
new tires to replace worn out ones on your tractor. You
probably can't make glass to replace broken windows. etc, etc,
etc.
So, how far down the technological ladder do you need to go to
actually make a small community self sufficient?
Even the Amish aren't self-sufficient. They buy their tools at
Home Depot like everybody else. They sew their own clothes and
maybe weave cloth, but they don't grow their own cotton to spin
into thread and so forth. They don't run big factories and
mills to make all the nails and 2X4s to build their barns from.
They don't make the glass for their windows, they buy it from
Corning. etc, etc, etc.
To be truly self-sufficient with a small community, you have to
go back to Stone Age technology. You don't have enough people
to mine ore, refine metal out of it, transport it and so forth.
Is there anybody who grew up inside industrial culture able and
prepared enough to do that? No, not even Eustace Conway or any
of the Mountain Men of days gone by. They all had knives and
guns and ammo and gunpowder they got from their industrial
culture. They traded to get it from the skins of beavers and
foxes and so forth.
Eventually, we will work our way back to Stone Age tech, but
obviously at a much lower population level. How long will that
take? Quite some time, but the trip downhill will be very
unpleasant, because of the wars over resources as groups of
people try to NOT descend that far. The Chinese will hoard
their Urea, the Ruskies will hoard their NG and so forth.
Each year that goes by, we will see ever increasing shortages of
the things we take for granted as always being available. At
some point critical mass will be achieved and the missing items
won't be trivial. In the meantime, all you can really do is buy
yourself some time, if you personally have the resources to do
that.
RE
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Re: Collapse Pontifications
By: Phil Potts Date: December 18, 2021, 12:02 am
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=92.msg2104#msg2104
date=1639704429]
[quote author=RE link=topic=92.msg2099#msg2099 date=1639680451]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=92.msg2094#msg2094
date=1639674763]
I am not sure where it will go but the man is serious and he is
talking about collapse issues from social perspectives that I
think about. Richard is not an expert on collapse in the same
way we are here, but he gets the sickness driving the human
stupidity.
[/quote]
I listened to about 1/3rd of it, and he makes a lot of
interesting sociological points. I did get a little annoyed by
his refrain that "This is OK". This is how we are supposed to
be. Unhappy, conflicted etc. The "Human Condition" as it were.
The idea of rebelling against "safety" as defined by goobermint
is directly challenging mask mandates, vaccines and so forth.
He says life is always risky, and you have to live (or die) with
that fact.
At least as far as I have listened, he hasn't really proposed a
way out of the "Matrix". He's also doing a small seminar for a
few well educated people. Assuming his ideas are valid, how
could you get the vast majority of stupid people to act on them?
RE
[/quote]
I finished it. I agree with your annoyance about his playing
around with **** being normal and having to live or die with the
fact. Despite my acceptance of that fact. His talk is only
about social reasons for collapse. I watched another video by
Richard later so I can't remember... this one or that one...
anyway somewhere he says:
[move]"Imagine a world where everyone just grew the ****
up."[/move]
Never going to happen of course but from his quite valid point,
what if a pocket of self sufficient people could get together
and just grow the **** up.
HTML https://youtu.be/umS3XM3xAPk
Green Acres of course would not be it. But................
[/quote]
I watched it all. First of all, "and that's ok" is not " and
this is ok". The former applies to the individual not being
cocooned, while the latter applies to acceptance of the
situation we are in. He meant the former; do not be comfortable
with this and do not place your personal comfort foremost. The
discomfiture of a Viet Cong or Taliban is ok.
He says too much pschologization. I wasn't aware of that, but
he's doing it himself. Part of that is throwing around
"narcissism", as per the fad that's been ongoing for at least a
decade now. Consider, every democrat called Trump a narcissist,
yet the other half never do, cancelling out any serious
possibility. To be serious, you need to qualify 5 of 8 stable
traits and there is nobody at all narcissists will not exploit
and/or demand supply, as in adoration from (covert narcissist
doesn't demand worship). Trump's adult children being solidly
behind him is enough to disqualify him there.
As for populations becoming more narcissistic; "we", as he
claims are becoming more, no. I've seen reports prepared by
eminent psychiatrists saying X has some heightened personality
traits (without specifying what those are) that are narcissistic
in their view, and go on to say that a diagnosis of personality
disorders can not be made. Now I understand that they are only
getting about 2k$ for the report based on a 1 hr interview and
record check with no other interviews, however this makes the
esteemed professional as guilty as Grannon. Everyone is somewhat
selfish to some extent, otherwise they would be homeless and
penniless. Is everyone also more of a habitual liar to qualify
us all becoming more narcissistic? Now you're getting into
cultural factors.
There are cultures where saying you're going to do something, in
no way obligates you to do it. Also where taking responsibility
for the outcome of any of your actions is simply not normal.
That would seem narcissistic compared to our own norm, but at
the same time consider our own culture where most people do not
do those things, yet in the corporate world it would be
considered self limiting to not lie where there is nothing
contractually obligated or punishable to advance the companies
or clients interest. It is normal in the west to get ahead by
adhering to only what is strictly accountable, if not at all
moral.
So from the way he was throwing around psychological jargon with
such certainty, I assumed he is a qualified psychologist
addressing some small post-grad class, until he told us
essentially that he is self taught. There is nothing wrong with
that, except a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Then
again, his theories were also sociological as they applied to
the whole population.
He mentioned that he was working as a doorman and cab driver
then got invited to do public speaking. He never mentioned how
that came to happen, though and I don't see any natural
progression. Nobody in the class cared to ask either.
Re his central thesis that we all just need to resist and not
comply, i tear my hair out. Too many people say that as though
it means anything and he contradicts himself re self sacrifice
being necessary in saying that. He is certainly not alone,
numerous now say "just don't comply. You are not alone when you
March through the streets with a few hundred thousand other
people every weekend, but you are alone when you face your
employer mandate, or you are the employer being shut down, or at
the airport with a ticket you can't use to cross state lines or
go overseas, or at the shop considered non essential trying to
buy tyres etc. You are alone when you get taken to quarantine
here, and alone in Austria and a growing number of EU countries,
when you are jailed and have your assets stripped to pay your
accommodation cost for being unvaxed.
On his surprise that Oz did not stand up, there are 3 factors.
One is the level of police and military brutality toward those
who did defy initially. It was far, far in excess of the NYPD
toward occupy wall street in 2011, which sent them home.
Second is that at least 30%, possibly 50% of people supported
the govt at the time and saw the msm reporting the tradies
fighting back as being the agressors and superspreaders. That is
now changing rapidly as the 60% in the middles resentment and
awareness grows, (my assumption being 20% were very provax and
20% were solidly against it, say 3-6 months ago). The 60% in the
middle are largely starting to think they have been conned as
the goal posts keep shifting and narratives become even more
nonsensical. They are also starting to see that the govt has
taken way too much power over everyone's lives and can (WILL) be
applied to themselves in time, 1984 and Hunger Games style.
The third is what I call devolutionary psychology, as opposed to
evolutionary. This is related to the atomization Grannon touched
on. While it is true that Aussies are well noted for being very
tough fighters in all wars, that has been under the auspices of
state sanctioned violence. The other aspect is that we are known
for being relaxed and easygoing. This is really an Achilles heel
when it comes time to talk about what is important, if we can
only talk about light subject matter. If there is finally
serious subjects being touched on, talking about actions outside
of status quo, rule following, legal, lifestyle preservation,
make it simply too taboo to talk about actions that need to be
taken outside that boundary. Hence, we have so many simply
sharing with each other information about what is happening,
entirely in agreement it is wrong, but none dare ask each other
what they intend to do, when we all see what is coming. That
absolutely hamstrings us.
See below the level of punishment for individually not complying
in vic. These fines will send anyone bk:
[attach=1]
Obviously, here as well as everywhere else, marching on
weekends, regardless of numbers is not enough, as govts are at
war with the people. The next election is not a considerstion. G
Grannon is wrong that people are not prepared to put their life
on the line. They do think it's a hill to die on, but not for
nothing, which individual action only achieves. All those crowds
are largely already sacrificing their livelihoods if they are
unvaxed, as well as those not taking boosters becoming also
unvaxed in the new year.
So what is the solution, as you all noted he doesn't really
offer any solution other than the tired "don't comply". If
100'000 people not only defy the govt by marching through the
city on Saturday, but deliberately occupy the entire restaurant
and cafe strip unmasked. Do not pay and challenge the fines in
court. One lawyer can represent everyone as one action. Overflow
both jails and quarantine camps and continue. Every single
person present and supporter go on strike all at once.
Understand the divide and conquer being applied and act as one.
What Grannon said about human connection applies. Do none of
this online as you will be arrested for incitement ahead of
time. It needs to be by voice call. Yes, the way we communicated
before the advent of email, social media, and sms.
Previous revolutions all happened by communication that was not
intercepted and monitored. Everyone needs to dial their friends
and family personally. Set up a date and plan of action
worldwide. We do that, we win. Real pro choice, for those who
thought this statism is a path to socialism. It's only a path to
dystopian depopulation.
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Re: Collapse Pontifications
By: RE Date: December 18, 2021, 3:05 am
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=92.msg2117#msg2117
date=1639807330]
It's only a path to dystopian depopulation.
[/quote]
Depopulation is Dystopian by definition. Since depopulation is
inevitable, so is dystopia. There is no "good" way to manage a
depopulation.
In terms of resistance, the ongoing "Great Resignation" is
probably as effective as anything. At least currently you can't
be jailed for quitting your job. This then leads to biznesses
going outta biz and more mortgages in default. Then they can
evict you, but that causes 2 more problems:
1- You get a still larger population of homeless people. What
do you do with them? You can't put them all in prison, those
places are already full and there aren't enough guards to staff
them.
2- You can't resell or even rent out the places they are
evicted from at the price to repay the assessed value and loans,
so all that real estate loses value. Banks fail.
So, the whole system starts grinding to a halt. Supply chains
fail, necessary items for living become less and less available.
The end result here is another dystopia.
RE
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Re: Collapse Pontifications
By: moniker Date: December 18, 2021, 9:54 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=92.msg2119#msg2119 date=1639818340]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=92.msg2117#msg2117
date=1639807330]
It's only a path to dystopian depopulation.
[/quote]
Depopulation is Dystopian by definition. Since depopulation is
inevitable, so is dystopia. There is no "good" way to manage a
depopulation.
In terms of resistance, the ongoing "Great Resignation" is
probably as effective as anything. At least currently you can't
be jailed for quitting your job. This then leads to biznesses
going outta biz and more mortgages in default. Then they can
evict you, but that causes 2 more problems:
1- You get a still larger population of homeless people. What
do you do with them? You can't put them all in prison, those
places are already full and there aren't enough guards to staff
them.
2- You can't resell or even rent out the places they are
evicted from at the price to repay the assessed value and loans,
so all that real estate loses value. Banks fail.
So, the whole system starts grinding to a halt. Supply chains
fail, necessary items for living become less and less available.
The end result here is another dystopia.
RE
[/quote]
This is not dystopia but neofeudalism or whatever you want to
call it. We're there now.
Anybody who thinks things will go back to the way they were is
confused. The American post-WWII prosperity was probably at
least partly by design since people deteriorate under those
condition.
I have been reading websites describing how we got here for many
year now and consider aim4truth.org to have the most credible
information on this topic.
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