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Re: Depopulation Trends
By: Phil Potts Date: November 13, 2021, 4:50 am
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[quote author=RE link=topic=74.msg1620#msg1620 date=1636794014]
Here is a short list of countries that showed a decreasing
population from the 2010 to the 2020 Census. There are others,
but not important for this post on the topic.
HTML https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-declining-population
The issue I will address here is why you can't REALLY use a
compound interest formula to figure dieoff (Liveoff? Birthoff?
Depopulation?)
What is done here to generate the projections from 2020-2030 is
to ASSUME that the ~1% annual population decrease will remain
CONSTANT through the next decade. With only a 1% annual
decrease, it would take quite a long time for the population of
Homo Sap to dwindle down. Unfortunately, this percentage is
unlikely to remain constant at 1%. Reason being all the
headwinds we currently face in food production and distribution,
all previously discussed.
We won't know the actual average rate of depopulation for the
2020-2030 time period until AFTER 2030. It won't be until after
the 2040 census (if there is one) that you might be able to
estimate how fast or slow the percentage is moving, up or down.
Few of us here will still be alive in 2040.
All we can do right now is to look at the TRENDS.
Trending now on Twitter: More DEAD PEOPLE.
RE
[/quote]
Well if the chart I posted showing 45% increase in deaths for
15-18 yr oldsmobiles of both sexes and 65% increase for
boysenberries only in UK in 2021 was passe because;
HTML https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/11/08/cannabis-use-disorder-may-be-linked-to-growing-number-of-heart-attacks-in-younger-adults
here is all cause mortality 2021 for canary in the coal mine
Israel.
2nd last column is raw number (Remember it's only about 8m
people). Last column is % above average (from 2015-2019). It
only goes to week 36, late Sept.
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: November 13, 2021, 10:55 am
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=74.msg1622#msg1622
date=1636800640]
[/quote]
Well if the chart I posted showing 45% increase in deaths for
15-18 yr oldsmobiles of both sexes and 65% increase for
boysenberries only in UK in 2021 was passe because;
HTML https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/11/08/cannabis-use-disorder-may-be-linked-to-growing-number-of-heart-attacks-in-younger-adults
here is all cause mortality 2021 for canary in the coal mine
Israel.
2nd last column is raw number (Remember it's only about 8m
people). Last column is % above average (from 2015-2019). It
only goes to week 36, late Sept.
Good post PP.
"Because the study is observational and didn't control for use
of other substances such as tobacco, alcohol or coke, the
research can't be used to show a direct cause. What's needed,
Page said, is a large, long-term study that follows people over
time to determine if cannabis use can be definitively linked to
heart attacks, and if so, the impact of the frequency of use and
how the cannabis is consumed."
Well, this is interesting, PP. When finally doing a definitive
study they should also control for obesity, lack of exercise,
lack of sunshine, fertility, crap food and addiction to
electronics and social media. I've never known anyone who had
a heart attack from pot. I have known some who drank themselves
into a coronary and, of course, several people who died from
coke related heart problems. But, overall I've known more
people who die from heart trouble because they are fat for a
long time and enjoy all the attendant health benefits.
This chart from Israel is frightening. Is this getting much
attention from official circles? Jeez.
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: RE Date: November 13, 2021, 11:23 am
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=74.msg1625#msg1625
date=1636822519]
This chart from Israel is frightening. Is this getting much
attention from official circles? Jeez.
[/quote]
The Israeli chart is ugly, but even there you do not get a good
global picture.
Where do you NOT get much in the way of stats from? The really
poor countries. Do we know what is going on right now in the
Congo or Nigeria in Africa? How about Iran or Turkey in the
Middle East? What about Mongolia and Myanmar in Asia? What is
happening in Columbia and Venezuela in South America?
There are whole swaths of the earth with large populations very
little information escapes from. These are the populations most
likely to dieoff first and biggest.
Like the litany of other species facing extinction though, these
populations of Homo Sap simply don't matter. As long as YOUR
lights are still on and you have heat and food to eat, who
cares? What, me worry?
In the words of Martin Niemoller:
HTML https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/images/large/fb09c57e-f2fb-4c52-896d-b9c0e022fc25.jpg.pagespeed.ce.Ygi6CUuHUQ.jpg
You should worry. They will come for you also.
RE
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: November 13, 2021, 4:30 pm
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=74.msg1625#msg1625
date=1636822519]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=74.msg1622#msg1622
date=1636800640]
[/quote]
Well if the chart I posted showing 45% increase in deaths for
15-18 yr oldsmobiles of both sexes and 65% increase for
boysenberries only in UK in 2021 was passe because;
HTML https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/11/08/cannabis-use-disorder-may-be-linked-to-growing-number-of-heart-attacks-in-younger-adults
here is all cause mortality 2021 for canary in the coal mine
Israel.
2nd last column is raw number (Remember it's only about 8m
people). Last column is % above average (from 2015-2019). It
only goes to week 36, late Sept.
Good post PP.
"Because the study is observational and didn't control for use
of other substances such as tobacco, alcohol or coke, the
research can't be used to show a direct cause. What's needed,
Page said, is a large, long-term study that follows people over
time to determine if cannabis use can be definitively linked to
heart attacks, and if so, the impact of the frequency of use and
how the cannabis is consumed."
Well, this is interesting, PP. When finally doing a definitive
study they should also control for obesity, lack of exercise,
lack of sunshine, fertility, crap food and addiction to
electronics and social media. I've never known anyone who had
a heart attack from pot. I have known some who drank themselves
into a coronary and, of course, several people who died from
coke related heart problems. But, overall I've known more
people who die from heart trouble because they are fat for a
long time and enjoy all the attendant health benefits.
This chart from Israel is frightening. Is this getting much
attention from official circles? Jeez.
[/quote]
Thanks, there's an old saying, 'don't **** on me and tell me
it's raining'.
You must have clicked on the link to the original study. I
normally always do that to get at the available facts rather
than just read the story mentioning it. This time I didn't,
because I'm taking it from the perspective of the average person
who wants it explained away. But yes, obviously the first thing
to do is establish the group in question, healthy young men who
are NOT otherwise at risk of heart attack, were both heavy pot
users and had a heart attack. Of course if you find even one
such in the 4% of heart attack in previous years you have not
even began to explain say 6000 heart patients in the US in
question. (Say conservative rough guess 20,000,000 young men age
12-29 in America divided by 5'000, as that's the figure we are
getting from the regulators of several countries, 1 in 5000
young men in that age range).
The study only found overall 4.1% of heart attack patients also
had cannabis use disorder. It does not say they know any of them
were healthy young men in their teens and twenties. The headline
and article content are non sequiters. That's the kind of
nonsense twisting that pharma funded 'fact checkers' engage in
all the time. Mentioning which groups, including 'men under 50'
increased share of presenting cannabis use disorder', is
unrelated to the question of whether any of them had a heart
attack, obviously.
I was a pothead myself from 18-20, smoking with countless
people, many who smoked every day. Ive known others since who
smoke daily and never saw or heard about a heart attack in any
one of them. A lot of them smoked a lot of cigarettes as well.
The first chart is from UK. I didn't make that, it's data from
their ONS, office of national statistics.
The Israel data I pulled up precisely because it's not censored
in a way they can easily hide, or think they don't need to. To
your qn, I only know there's a lot of action there against the
govt hiding causes of death and other things thats been exposed.
The booster was made available 31st July and Mandatory to keep
green passport on 1st Oct. Maybe it's normal to be 6 weeks
behind in updating, but it would certainly be interesting to
know what happened from there.
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: November 13, 2021, 5:16 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=74.msg1626#msg1626 date=1636824216]
[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=74.msg1625#msg1625
date=1636822519]
This chart from Israel is frightening. Is this getting much
attention from official circles? Jeez.
[/quote]
The Israeli chart is ugly, but even there you do not get a good
global picture.
Where do you NOT get much in the way of stats from? The really
poor countries. Do we know what is going on right now in the
Congo or Nigeria in Africa? How about Iran or Turkey in the
Middle East? What about Mongolia and Myanmar in Asia? What is
happening in Columbia and Venezuela in South America?
There are whole swaths of the earth with large populations very
little information escapes from. These are the populations most
likely to dieoff first and biggest.
Like the litany of other species facing extinction though, these
populations of Homo Sap simply don't matter. As long as YOUR
lights are still on and you have heat and food to eat, who
cares? What, me worry?
In the words of Martin Niemoller:
HTML https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/images/large/fb09c57e-f2fb-4c52-896d-b9c0e022fc25.jpg.pagespeed.ce.Ygi6CUuHUQ.jpg
You should worry. They will come for you also.
RE
[/quote]
I'm focussing on explanation for this forecast:
HTML https://nobulart.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Deagel-2025-Forecast-by-Country.pdf
It's on the horizon
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: November 13, 2021, 11:19 pm
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=74.msg1633#msg1633
date=1636845376]
I'm focussing on explanation for this forecast:
HTML https://nobulart.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Deagel-2025-Forecast-by-Country.pdf
It's on the horizon
[/quote]
Okay. So, at first I thought this was just nuts. I looked up
this organization and have now come to a WTF is this frame of
mind. They seem to have a great many assessments of ordinance
and weaponry capacity and sales that others assess as accurate.
Who are these guys? Why has some of their stuff been taken
down? I see other sites that contend that Deagel has updated
their forecast regarding nuclear war. Others say this forecast
is covid related and that the countries with vac manufacturing
will suffer worst. Some are comparing this outfit to Stratfor.
Of course some are saying this is CIA bs. What do you make of
all this?
The Israeli chart is ugly, but even there you do not get a good
global picture.
Where do you NOT get much in the way of stats from? The really
poor countries. Do we know what is going on right now in the
Congo or Nigeria in Africa? How about Iran or Turkey in the
Middle East? What about Mongolia and Myanmar in Asia? What is
happening in Columbia and Venezuela in South America?
There are whole swaths of the earth with large populations very
little information escapes from. These are the populations most
likely to dieoff first and biggest.
And the information that does come out usually benefits an
agenda that may not be conducive to revealing truth. And I
think you are correct about a collective indifference on the
part of the comfortable.
When Covid first started to spread there was much speculation
that central Africa would be devastated. They have bad general
health and poor healthcare. However, as it turned out, so many
people in those countries have parasitic disease that a
tremendous percentage of the population takes Ivermectin. Covid
did not ravage these countries.
As food becomes more expensive (even if that were the only
stressor) I expect the general health of the world's human
population to decline. Given all the other factors, here and
approaching, the decline will accelerate. Seneca cliff.
But I have no clue what the forecast Phil Potts posted is about.
I'd like to know what it is based on. Audacious. This gets to
the poll question you asked about human pop in 2030.
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: K-Dog Date: November 14, 2021, 12:29 am
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[quote] I was a pothead myself from 18-20, smoking with
countless people, many who smoked every day. Ive known others
since who smoke daily and never saw or heard about a heart
attack in any one of them. A lot of them smoked a lot of
cigarettes as well. [/quote]
Eyes zam a pothead 20-66. A pot shop I go to is named 'Have a
Heart'. My ticker seems OK. RE can vouch for the fact that I
am a stoner.
Well sort of, after so many years it hits me about as hard as a
cup of coffee. And since I don't drink alcohol, in a strange
way my ass is about as pure as the driven snow. I quit drinking
early in my life. I liked it too much and I knew it was not
good for people. I made a decision.
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Re: It's not a Dieoff, it's a Sexoff
By: K-Dog Date: November 14, 2021, 12:49 am
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[quote author=RE link=topic=74.msg1621#msg1621 date=1636794349]
Trending now on Twitter: Celibacy
The latest sex and dating trend? Celibacy.
HTML https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2021/11/12/celibacy-emerging-dating-and-wellness-trend-experts-weigh-in/6373269001/?gnt-cfr=1
RE
[/quote]
I read it. I think it sucks. A man has to control his
passions. No question about that. A man does not go where he
is not wanted. But pretending I don't want anything? Puck
that.
I'll put out the idea that all the people who claim celibacy
enlightens are full of shit. Personally it makes me lonely and
crazy. They is no pathway that could lead to enlightenment and
if you think so try a bed of nails.
HTML https://youtu.be/4dOsbsuhYGQ
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: November 14, 2021, 5:16 pm
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=74.msg1636#msg1636
date=1636867175]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=74.msg1633#msg1633
date=1636845376]
I'm focussing on explanation for this forecast:
HTML https://nobulart.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Deagel-2025-Forecast-by-Country.pdf
It's on the horizon
[/quote]
Okay. So, at first I thought this was just nuts. I looked up
this organization and have now come to a WTF is this frame of
mind. They seem to have a great many assessments of ordinance
and weaponry capacity and sales that others assess as accurate.
Who are these guys? Why has some of their stuff been taken
down? I see other sites that contend that Deagel has updated
their forecast regarding nuclear war. Others say this forecast
is covid related and that the countries with vac manufacturing
will suffer worst. Some are comparing this outfit to Stratfor.
Of course some are saying this is CIA bs. What do you make of
all this?
[/quote]
They certainly seem legit to me. Nobody can independently
compile the sort of reporting and analysis they are doing
without it being paid for by the MIC.
That's released 2017, the sort of thing they deal with in
procurements and orders for equipment can tell them at that
time. Assuming these are not made up, they can be looked up and
verified if anyone wants to take the time and effort.
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When that forecast caught attention and created some stir in
these type of circles, Deagel said it would be net migration out
of the western world as the main cause of the population losses.
They later removed it altogether. There's definitely good reason
to emigrate now for anyone who can and something like 55'000
families have left here already this year. It's not easy, unless
you have plenty of money or are a citizen somewhere else.
I can't answer what the reason or reasons are for it, but when I
see things that fit it, it fills the picture at least in part.
For a few years the shutting down of dairy farms and water
rights of farmers here in Oz when the rivers are full not empty,
only made sense if there was going to be a lot less people. I
saw something similar just recently in the US:
HTML https://modernfarmer.com/2021/11/northeast-organic-dairy-farmers-danone/
As you know, and the map in the previous post shows, covid is
rising in waves in the most vaxd places. Maybe this is because
of it being obsolete and not updated while the virus mutates.
Then there's definitely some impact on miscarriages going on,
infertility is an open question, that's going to contribute to
population decline.
But realistically, none of those; covid at its current rate,
emigration, and drop in births of even 50% would account for
more than maybe 5-10% drop in population in 3 yrs. It's hard to
imagine the empty shelves and high prices problem going to the
point of starvation. What it certainly can do is lower a lot of
peoples health, making them more susceptible. If it was a nuke
strike it's only one way, as you see Russia and China are not
included in the major population reductions. You would think it
out of the question that NATO would not strike back though. Oz
has no nukes to strike back, but recently china explicitly said
we are now a nuke target. That by dropping the submarine
contract from France, for nuke subs from the US.
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: November 15, 2021, 1:02 pm
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=74.msg1656#msg1656
date=1636931765]
[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=74.msg1636#msg1636
date=1636867175]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=74.msg1633#msg1633
date=1636845376]
I'm focussing on explanation for this forecast:
HTML https://nobulart.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Deagel-2025-Forecast-by-Country.pdf
It's on the horizon
[/quote]
If it was a nuke strike it's only one way, as you see Russia
and China are not included in the major population reductions.
You would think it out of the question that NATO would not
strike back though. Oz has no nukes to strike back, but recently
china explicitly said we are now a nuke target. That by dropping
the submarine contract from France, for nuke subs from the US.
[/quote]
NATO warns Russia over Ukraine military build-up
BRUSSELS, Nov 15 (Reuters) - NATO Secretary-General Jens
Stoltenberg warned Russia on Monday that the western military
alliance was standing by Ukraine amid a large and unusual
concentration of Russian troops on Ukraine's borders.
HTML https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-warns-russia-over-ukraine-military-build-up-2021-11-15/
Ukraine: NATO alarmed by Russian troop buildup on border
HTML https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-nato-alarmed-by-russian-troop-buildup-on-border/a-59823017
Ukraine has estimated that as many 100,000 Russian troops are
present in the border area, which Stoltenberg called
"dangerous."
"We see an unusual concentration of troops, and we know that
Russia has been willing to use these types of military
capabilities before to conduct aggressive actions against
Ukraine," the NATO chief said.
CIA director dispatched to Moscow to warn Russia over troop
buildup near Ukraine
"... Tensions between Ukraine and Russia have also been
exacerbated in recent weeks by a deepening Ukrainian energy
crisis that Kiev believes Moscow has purposefully provoked.
"The buildup, coupled with the energy blackmail, does suggest a
more aggressive Russian posture," an adviser to Zelensky told
CNN.
HTML https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/politics/bill-burns-moscow-ukraine/index.html
Satellite images show new Russian military buildup near Ukraine
HTML https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/01/satellite-russia-ukraine-military-518337
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