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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: K-Dog Date: October 30, 2021, 1:24 pm
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Digwe Must posted a great link with Wes Jackson.
RE's 2 cents almost reads like a summary of what Wes said.
I'm not guessing nor do I care about what came first the
chicken or the egg because these are basic Doom 101 facts. (well
not basic because you have to have a brain to understand and
that leaves most people out. Sad but true. A touch of math is
involved to understand how **** we are.)
At 28 minutes in or so Wes covers the Haber Process but RE
covered it first.
I posted the Wes video with my article.
* In the University of Doom the class that covers the Haber
Process is actually Doom 201.
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Nearings fault Date: October 30, 2021, 3:36 pm
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Believe it or not one of the big problems in the off-grid solar
world in the northern hemisphere is what to do with all the
extra summer production of energy. Before haber there was
Birkeland eyde... I thought about playing with this technology
but am currently focused on energy efficient structures and
energy generation these days. Here is a diy video of it...
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RRqIv4SoLg
This article envisages a future where farm scale generation of
fertilizer comes back.
HTML https://titan.uio.no/naturvitenskap-teknologi-energi-og-miljo-innovasjon-english/2017/future-farmer-will-make-synthetic-fertilizers-her-own-farm
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: K-Dog Date: October 31, 2021, 12:11 pm
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Sweet. Nice alchemy going on. I'll guess he uses a neon sign
transformer.
Lightning breaks the bonds of N2 molecule in the atmosphere.
Once split, the N atoms quickly bond to Oxygen, making Nitrogen
Dioxide. Nitrogen Dioxide dissolves in raindrops, creating
nitric acid. Falling to the ground nitrates are formed.
Microorganisms in the soil do the vast majority of nitrogen
fixation.
And the state controlled propaganda rag is good for hard
science:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkeland%E2%80%93Eyde_process
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: October 31, 2021, 3:07 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=74.msg1466#msg1466
date=1635618264]
Digwe Must posted a great link with Wes Jackson.
RE's 2 cents almost reads like a summary of what Wes said. I'm
not guessing nor do I care about what came first the chicken or
the egg because these are basic Doom 101 facts. (well not basic
because you have to have a brain to understand and that leaves
most people out. Sad but true. A touch of math is involved to
understand how **** we are.)
At 28 minutes in or so Wes covers the Haber Process but RE
covered it first.
I posted the Wes video with my article.
* In the University of Doom the class that covers the Haber
Process is actually Doom 201.
[/quote]
So K-Dog, how does one find your website and blog?
Wes Jackson is a hero of mine. He is another Fellow of R.
Heinberg's Post Carbon Institute. Wes is on the Mt Rushmore of
Permaculture with Mollison and Fukuoka. His work is so
valuable, and even more so because he knows he'll never see it
finished. He is correct that it is an extension of love. Of
course the innovations of the perennial prairie he is developing
for farmers won't be in time to save the entire s.o.b. But his
work and legacy should help those who follow (however many that
may be)to do it right - of course at a much reduced scale in
collapse. This is why we plant 8 layer polycultures, mimicking,
the best we can, natural arrangements and progressions. None of
the trees I am planting will be mature for decades after I'm
gone.
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: RE Date: October 31, 2021, 7:52 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=74.msg1473#msg1473
date=1635700289] Nitrogen Dioxide dissolves in raindrops,
creating nitric acid. Falling to the ground nitrates are formed.
[/quote]
Acid-Base chemistry is another aspect of the life process I did
not cover. This is inorganic chemistry, and very important.
Life originated in the oceans, exactly how nobody knows, but it
did magically appear one day. Sea water is a salt solution,
more or less neutral in pH, the scale of Acidity v Base. Most
living things operate in a very narrow range between 6-8 on the
scale which goes from 1-14, acids on the low end, bases on the
high end. There are life forms that exist outside this range,
bacteria that live around sulfur vents onthe ocean floor do
this. For Homo Sap purposes though, everything you try to grow
and your soil needs to stay in the near-neutral range.
So now, where do the Acids and Bases come from that determine
the pH of your soil? As mentioned, you get Nitrous Oxide in the
atmospher from lightning strikes. You also get Ozone, O3 from
this, a super duper reactive oxidizing molecule. CO2 in the
atmosphere when dissolved in water makes Carbonic acid, HCO3.
Sulfur Dioxide mixes with water to make Sulfuric acid. This is
what makes up "Acid Rain", and is why the oceans are becoming
more acidic, along with your soil in all probability.
Where do the bases come from to keep this whole system near
neutral? Mostly from the mineral salts which dissolve in water
and are slightly basic. Burning FFs put more Sulfur Dioxide,
Nitrogen Oxide and CO2 up in the atmosphere, making rain more
acidic. So, ocean pH and soil pH are sinking overall. Not
good for plankton or crustaceans in the ocean, not too good for
your tomatoes in the permaculture garden either You have to
counteract this by adding something basic to your soil. Lime is
popular for this. Where do you get your lime from though?
You can be the most eco-friendly permaculture wizard who
conserves all her nutrients and recycles everything, but if your
soil gets too acidic you are F*CKED. The tomatoes just won't
GROW, dammit!
Baby, the rain must fall. The pH is pretty low on those
raindrops falling on your head and your crops these days. Lay
in a good supply of lime.
RE
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: K-Dog Date: November 1, 2021, 12:11 am
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[quote]So K-Dog, how does one find your website and
blog?[/quote]
HTML https://chasingthesquirrel.com/
Long after the fact it occurs to me that I am on the real
intellectual dark web.
Be patient. It takes a while to load. I have custom
java-script but I really think Uncle Sam slows things down. I
Joke, Blue-Host is slow. If it takes too long do a reload.
Hover over the colored tiles and watch the menu bar below the
colored tiles change. You will have a dot on the globe that
will be active for 15 minutes.
#Post#: 1483--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dieoff Errata
By: K-Dog Date: November 1, 2021, 12:21 am
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[spoiler][quote author=RE link=topic=74.msg1480#msg1480
date=1635727931
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=74.msg1473#msg1473
date=1635700289] Nitrogen Dioxide dissolves in raindrops,
creating nitric acid. Falling to the ground nitrates are formed.
[/quote]
Acid-Base chemistry is another aspect of the life process I did
not cover. This is inorganic chemistry, and very important.
Life originated in the oceans, exactly how nobody knows, but it
did magically appear one day. Sea water is a salt solution,
more or less neutral in pH, the scale of Acidity v Base. Most
living things operate in a very narrow range between 6-8 on the
scale which goes from 1-14, acids on the low end, bases on the
high end. There are life forms that exist outside this range,
bacteria that live around sulfur vents on the ocean floor do
this. For Homo Sap purposes though, everything you try to grow
and your soil needs to stay in the near-neutral range.
So now, where do the Acids and Bases come from that determine
the pH of your soil? As mentioned, you get Nitrous Oxide in the
atmospher from lightning strikes. You also get Ozone, O3 from
this, a super duper reactive oxidizing molecule. CO2 in the
atmosphere when dissolved in water makes Carbonic acid, HCO3.
Sulfur Dioxide mixes with water to make Sulfuric acid. This is
what makes up "Acid Rain", and is why the oceans are becoming
more acidic, along with your soil in all probability.
Where do the bases come from to keep this whole system near
neutral? Mostly from the mineral salts which dissolve in water
and are slightly basic. Burning FFs put more Sulfur Dioxide,
Nitrogen Oxide and CO2 up in the atmosphere, making rain more
acidic. So, ocean pH and soil pH are sinking overall. Not
good for plankton or crustaceans in the ocean, not too good for
your tomatoes in the permaculture garden either You have to
counteract this by adding something basic to your soil. Lime is
popular for this. Where do you get your lime from though?
You can be the most eco-friendly permaculture wizard who
conserves all her nutrients and recycles everything, but if your
soil gets too acidic you are F*CKED. The tomatoes just won't
GROW, dammit!
Baby, the rain must fall. The pH is pretty low on those
raindrops falling on your head and your crops these days. Lay
in a good supply of lime.
RE
[/quote]
[/spoiler]
Somewhere lipid molecules mixed with primordial strands of
nucleic acid and it began to reproduce. Like a COVID vaccine
hypo squirted in a soupy lake of molecules and left to ferment
for a few millennia.
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: RE Date: November 1, 2021, 1:44 am
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=74.msg1483#msg1483
date=1635744090]
Somewhere lipid molecules mixed with primordial strands of
nucleic acid and it began to reproduce. Like a COVID vaccine
hypo squirted in a soupy lake of molecules and left to ferment
for a few millennia.
[/quote]
The "Primordiall Soup" Theory, which sadly has a gaping hole a
mile wide.
Nucleic Acids and Lipids don't spontaneously reproduce
themselves. There are numerous proteins involved in this
process along with the amino acids they are built from. Most of
all in importance is there is a specific code involved that ties
this all together.
The proteins involved are huge complex things that fold up in
all sorts of neat ways to make various reactions possible. They
are biological catalysts.
So what has to happen here is this coding has to magically
appear out of thin water and POOF life appears! It would be
like the code for your website spontaneously popping up, except
vastly more complex than that. Not only that, the machine code
the computer actually runs on has to self invent, and so does
the compiler which translates your code into machine code.
Sorry, I do not buy the idea an infinite number of chimps given
an infinite amount of time would type out the complete works of
Shakespeare. Besides, you don't have infinite time available,
just a few billion years since the Big Bang, which now according
to the smartest guys in the room did not pop into existence as a
singularity. There you then have still more rules for how
protons, neutrons and electrons assemble into elements, and how
these subatomic particles are further assembled from quarks and
gluons.
Your website is not a random event. It took you to design it.
Do you really buy the idea YOU are the the result of a random
bunch of lipids and nucleic acids accidentally bumping into each
other in the ocean and then spontaneously developing a code to
reproduce?
RE
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Re: Dieoff Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: November 1, 2021, 3:21 am
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Entropy is a physical law except where there is life. Vitality
is the opposite of entropy, so can not spontaneously be an
exception in linnear time. If it could, you would have evidence
of it happening in the period of recorded scientific
observations, somewhere among the inestimable number of atoms on
Earth. Scratches inside coffin lids are not indisputable
evidence of inanimate matter becoming alive.
#Post#: 1492--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dieoff Errata
By: K-Dog Date: November 1, 2021, 10:59 pm
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The vitality of life depends on energy flow.
Energy flow against rules generates complexity.
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When energy flow
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