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Re: Key Kazakh oilfield hit by protests
By: Phil Potts Date: January 6, 2022, 9:00 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=70.msg2343#msg2343
date=1641520961]
[quote author=RE link=topic=70.msg2340#msg2340 date=1641502374]
Key Kazakh oilfield hit by protests
This should be no surprise to readers of the Diner. All going
like clockwork now, just as we discussed.
RE
[/quote]
Indeed. I recall all those threads about oilfields, and how
protests of them was a sign of...... ???... well....something.
Not that anyone at the Diner knew anything about
oilfields....but I remember the beginning of the right wing race
war because someone got shot during a statute protest somewhere
in Arizona. And I called crap on that of course and it turns out
that...well...it wasn't the start of anything, and nobody even
died, and it was just howling over the moon.
Are we sure this isn't just howling over the moon? Again?
[/quote]
I didn't think we were easily mistaken for the 'cant wait to
shoot me some coons' crowd.
Oilfields were mainly talked about in context of not being
sustainable: The United States has proven reserves equivalent to
4.9 times its annual consumption. This means that, without
imports, there would be about 5 years of oil left (at current
consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves).
HTML https://www.worldometers.inf
o/oil/us-oil/
The Standing Rock protest of a pipeline got talked about, a
sure sign of things like disrespecting native reservations and
endangering rivers and lakes.
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Cut off in Khazakstan
By: RE Date: January 7, 2022, 9:17 am
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Internet has been down in Kazahstan for a few hours where
roughly 18% if Bitcoin's hashrate is.
Looks like the impact on the hashrate is so far 12% drop just in
the last few hours since internet went down.
Update: It's now Friday morning in #Kazakhstan where internet
has been shut down for some 36 hours, placing public safety at
risk and leaving friends and family cut off.
Connectivity levels continue to flatline at just 5% of ordinary
levels.
Misery loves company.
Millions of people in Kahzaktan are having the same problems as
me. Right now, I can't even pay a 12 year old bill of $104.31
which I never received in order to get a landline internet
installed. They won't take payment over the phone by debit
card, they won't take a check and the office is not open to send
one of my PCAs (when they show up) to pay cash. ::) I still
have only this Smartphone connection, for as long as it lasts.
Interesting that Bitcoin mining is such a big deal in
Khazakstan. Now we know why the locals don't have heat despite
being well endowed with FFs.
RE
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Kazakhstan leader gives 'kill without warning' order, as bodies
lie in the streets
By: RE Date: January 7, 2022, 6:36 pm
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Rather than street demos, I think it might be more effective
(and safer) if they all call in sick and don't go to work.
HTML https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/07/asia/kazakhstan-kassym-jomart-tokayev-address-intl/index.html
Kazakhstan leader gives 'kill without warning' order, as bodies
lie in the streets
RE
#Post#: 2368--------------------------------------------------
Vermont Conversation: America is in the ‘legal phase’ of fascism
, says Jason Stanley
By: RE Date: January 10, 2022, 6:56 am
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Legal?
HTML https://vtdigger.org/2022/01/09/vermont-conversation-america-is-in-the-legal-phase-of-fascism-says-jason-stanley/
Vermont Conversation: America is in the ‘legal phase’ of
fascism, says Jason Stanley
RE
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Re: Key Kazakh oilfield hit by protests
By: Phil Potts Date: January 10, 2022, 4:09 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=70.msg2371#msg2371
date=1641839724]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=70.msg2347#msg2347
date=1641524456]
[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=70.msg2343#msg2343
date=1641520961]
[quote author=RE]
This should be no surprise to readers of the Diner. All going
like clockwork now, just as we discussed.
RE
[/quote]
Are we sure this isn't just howling over the moon? Again?
[/quote]
I didn't think we were easily mistaken for the 'cant wait to
shoot me some coons' crowd. [/quote]
Good thing we weren't talking about "shoot me some coons" but
rather the claim of how folks bitching about an oil field who
don't know much about oil fields is suddenly somehow relevant to
the horrific ongoing collapse that can't stop global population
growth.
[quote author=Phil Potts]
Oilfields were mainly talked about in context of not being
sustainable: The United States has proven reserves equivalent to
4.9 times its annual consumption. This means that, without
imports, there would be about 5 years of oil left (at current
consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves).
[/quote]
Only by folks who first must pretend that ANYONE else thinks
they are sustainable. I agree that won't be ANY diners, for
while they might know nothing about basic industry operational
procedures, they all know that oil is a depletable natural
resource.
Unless you are implying that YOU didn't know these obvious
things, and therefore qualify as someone who pretends oil fields
were sustainable? Ever?
[quote author=Phil Potts]
The Standing Rock protest of a pipeline got talked about, a
sure sign of things like disrespecting native reservations and
endangering rivers and lakes.
[/quote]
The Standing Rock protest was a wonderfully publicized NIMBY
exercise, with some great branding along the way. The thing I
often found so fascinating when watching videos of the
interviewers and people in the camps was the number of diesel
trucks, generators, propane fired cooking gear all used to
sustain the camps and haul in the horses to pretend it wasn't a
fossil fuel powered extravaganza.
I was amazed by the restraint shown by the federales. I remember
the days of Rodney King and Kent State and whatnot, the ability
of the cops to not end up with a bunch of bodies on their hands
was evidence of quite a change in police behavior, even with the
kind of gear they have at their disposable nowadays.
[/quote]
You said u correctly called some statue shooting event in
Arizona as not being the beginning of a race war. U said this in
context of a claim that there were threads about oilfield
protests on the diner and that we said it was 'evidence of ...
well.. something?'
You do not remember what it was claimed to be evidence of by
anyone because it never happened as I just told you. At least
name the place and timeframe these oilfield protests supposedly
occurred.
There is no point mentioning the race war claims which are
always being made by white supremacist racists every time they
see the status quo in their favour slipping away, as we all know
they are empty fantasies. The only point in priding yourself on
that is in connecting it to us and again, it never happened.
Nobody on DD said this incident would spark a race war. The
event was probably after DD moved to GC anyway.
You must have missed the whole BLM movement and ongoing Rodney
King type incidents for the George Floyd's of the world, three
decades after Rodney King. Heres the restraint of a saint at
standing rock by your recollection, but yes compared to the
massacre at wounded knee and trail of tears, the Lakota got off
lightly this time.
HTML https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/dakota-access-pipeline-water-cannon-police-standing-rock-protest.
Unless you are implying that YOU didn't know these obvious
things, and therefore qualify as someone who pretends oil fields
were sustainable? Ever?
The only person to say anything like that was you, specifically
that there was around 200 yrs of oil left. The only person
saying anything about basic industry operational procedures is
also you, although Roamer/Nick did work on drilling rigs. The
rest of us not knowing or claiming to, being evidence of
something?
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Re: Key Kazakh oilfield hit by protests
By: Phil Potts Date: January 10, 2022, 8:11 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=70.msg2375#msg2375
date=1641860604]
Not sure I said anything as specific as 200 years of oil left,
as I tend to be quite specific in my estimates/guesses at the
macro level on topics I am considered an expert in. Any year
estimate would also need accompanied by a rate, price and other
details, as 200 years is easy if the species suddenly slackens
oil demand.
However, it is the lack of understanding oilfields that might
convince someone that protests have anything to do with their
collapse, or collapse in general? Maybe we need a new word
combination to describe this behavior? Collapse pimping?
[/quote]
All RE said about Kazakhstan protesters, really revolutionaries,
is them seizing an oilfield is something unsurprising. He's made
clear he's talking about a process underway, so you are beating
a straw man in claiming that he said it means total civilization
collapse today.
He didn't say there were any discussions of oil fields and
protests of them either. You are imagining that if you can't at
least tell us where or approximately when these protests
happened. The closest thing is Standing Rock and there's no
confusion about what anyone thought it signifies. That's what we
are dealing with clearing up.
If someone commissioned a report from you on trans am travel or
the job market you would be specific about what field or
occupation an example of plenty of prospects had, or you would
be specific about what states or cities you sampled and number
of years inflation occurred over. When the purpose is to
discredit a group and you can't find fault in the material, then
it's necessary to give no specifics in what they are wrong
about. No such report was commissioned when you offered that
there were 200 yrs of oil left, so no further details were
given.
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Re: Key Kazakh oilfield hit by protests
By: Phil Potts Date: January 10, 2022, 11:07 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=70.msg2381#msg2381
date=1641871922]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=70.msg2378#msg2378
date=1641867067]
[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=70.msg2375#msg2375
date=1641860604]
However, it is the lack of understanding oilfields that might
convince someone that protests have anything to do with their
collapse, or collapse in general? Maybe we need a new word
combination to describe this behavior? Collapse pimping?
[/quote]
All RE said about Kazakhstan protesters, really revolutionaries,
is them seizing an oilfield is something unsurprising. He's made
clear he's talking about a process underway, so you are beating
a straw man in claiming that he said it means total civilization
collapse today.
[/quote]
No need for you to insert your own meaning. Here are the basics
of the title and his comment.
[quote author=RE]
Key Kazakh oilfield hit by protests
This should be no surprise to readers of the Diner. All going
like clockwork now, just as we discussed. Who's Next?[/quote]
He certainly said that this was no surprise to the Diner.
So...the Diner expected protesters at oil fields. First I've
ever heard of such a common Diner idea. And apparently this
protests are going like clockwork. Interesting....I didn't see
anything about how well timed and organized these protests were,
in comparison to...well...ANYTHING else really. And who is the
"who"? Other protesters....in the Permian, protesting at Yates?
The great East Texas field? Prudhoe?
You are certainly free to read in anything you'd like...because
there isn't much to his claim and it is quite...unstructured.
[quote author=Phil Potts]
If someone commissioned a report from you on trans am travel or
the job market you would be specific about what field or
occupation an example of plenty of prospects had, or you would
be specific about what states or cities you sampled and number
of years inflation occurred over. When the purpose is to
discredit a group and you can't find fault in the material, then
it's necessary to give no specifics in what they are wrong
about. No such report was commissioned when you offered that
there were 200 yrs of oil left, so no further details were
given.
[/quote]
Well then, as I am quite familiar with just about everyone's
estimates of world oil, I certainly wouldn't just say "200 years
left" without some specific caveat or another. And McPeaksters
would never say such a thing, and I couldn't reference them
saying it, because they wouldn't, and haven't. I think your
context is off somewhere. I certainly don't need to make things
up when it comes to what McPeaksters have claimed over the
years, they've supplied so much ammunition to their detractors
we have no need to manufacture silly things on their behalf.
[/quote]
As you just quoted, "going" not "gone". That means ongoing.
I have no idea what specifically he thinks is no surprise, I'm
not concerned with that. Further colour revolutions on the
borders and within the borders of the multipolar challengers of
US primacy is no surprise. Regime change attempts of govts not
compliant to US interests are always ongoing and no surprise.
That has certainly been discussed. As he said and posted the
song for "whose next?"
You seem to take it as meaning protesting oil fields from
environmental angle. That is not what is happening in Kazakhstan
now and never was part of any discussion before on DD that I
read. This would be why you thought it signified "...well...
something?" you couldn't remember. If you can't name the place
of the protests or timeframe, you can't rely on your memory for
not having told me 200 yrs of oil any more than you can rely on
it for discussion of oil field protests.
Providing a specific caveat would be providing details. If you
don't provide specifics of why any peakoiler is wrong, except
that you survived the approximate date, then you are unlikely
to provide any detail on anything else, but may have said
something. Asked precisely why Gail Tverberg doesn't know
anything and what was wrong with her article, you said " oh,
Gail is often right for the wrong reasons". I suppose you had
painted yourself into a corner in needing to provide something
better than that to answer the next question of how much oil we
do have left. The caveat is obvious precisely because of what
peak oilers warn about and global elites planning to run some
system at least 200 years into the future. The US losing people
at the same rate as the year of the Normandy landing last year,
surely helps.
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Re: Key Kazakh oilfield hit by protests
By: RE Date: January 11, 2022, 1:00 am
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=70.msg2382#msg2382
date=1641877645]
As you just quoted, "going" not "gone". That means ongoing.
I have no idea what specifically he thinks is no surprise, I'm
not concerned with that. Further colour revolutions on the
borders and within the borders of the multipolar challengers of
US primacy is no surprise. Regime change attempts of govts not
compliant to US interests are always ongoing and no surprise.
That has certainly been discussed. As he said and posted the
song for "whose next?"
You seem to take it as meaning protesting oil fields from
environmental angle. That is not what is happening in Kazakhstan
now and never was part of any discussion before on DD that I
read. This would be why you thought it signified "...well...
something?" you couldn't remember. If you can't name the place
of the protests or timeframe, you can't rely on your memory for
not having told me 200 yrs of oil any more than you can rely on
it for discussion of oil field protests.
Providing a specific caveat would be providing details. If you
don't provide specifics of why any peakoiler is wrong, except
that you survived the approximate date, then you are unlikely
to provide any detail on anything else, but may have said
something. Asked precisely why Gail Tverberg doesn't know
anything and what was wrong with her article, you said " oh,
Gail is often right for the wrong reasons". I suppose you had
painted yourself into a corner in needing to provide something
better than that to answer the next question of how much oil we
do have left. The caveat is obvious precisely because of what
peak oilers warn about and global elites planning to run some
system at least 200 years into the future. The US losing people
at the same rate as the year of the Normandy landing last year,
surely helps.
[/quote]
You are generally correcxt PP.
What should be no surprise is that we are seeing rapidly
developing geopolitical conflicts, all centered around the
price, availability and distribution of FFs. That's what the
whole biz is about in Europe with getting NG from Russia.
That's what the coal being exported from Indonesia is about.
That's what the FFs being exported from Khazakstan is about.
The people there can't afford the gas from their own country. A
few Elite running the country get fabulously rich and they can't
afford to run their carz and heat their homes.
Similar problem with the derivative products like Urea and
Fertiilizer. If Indian farmers can't get it a price they can
afford, they go BK and quitr often commit suicide. If Oz can't
get Urea, the trucks stop running.
So you have conflicts popping up all over the globe. No
surprise.
RE
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Re: Key Kazakh oilfield hit by protests
By: Phil Potts Date: January 11, 2022, 1:30 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=70.msg2385#msg2385
date=1641912925]
no context available as to how it fits into anything related to
protests at oil fields.
[/quote]
For the fourth or fifth time, there are no protests at oil
fields now or discussed before. "protests" beheading police for
other grievances have disrupted production. "Standing Rock being
discussed within the same conversation" was pointing out the
closest thing to an oil field protest that was ever discussed on
the diner.
The straightforward and simple question asking how much oil we
DO have left if bloggers have no idea, certainly IS oil
ignorant. If I need to halve the figure, I'll also assume only
3.5 Saudi sheikhs have you on speed dial. According to your only
reasoning, that makes Gail only half wrong.
Let me recap the context you forget. You dreamed up discussions
about oil fields and protests of them signifying... well,
something?reinforcing the idea we are fools. The only discussion
of oil fields was on sustainability and EROEI, not protesting
them. You said then it is obvious oil fields are not
sustainable, but I might think they are. The only person to
suggest anything like that is yourself in saying we have 200 yrs
of oil left. If you want to excuse yourself from it now, it
explains deleting your own comments soon after making them.
HTML https://youtu.be/V83JR2IoI8k
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It's not an 'energy' crisis — it's a fossil fuel crisis
By: RE Date: January 11, 2022, 5:52 pm
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Add the FSoA to the list of countries exporting FFs to get
bigger profits overseas.
HTML https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-environment/589065-its-not-an-energy-crisis-its-a-fossil-fuel-crisis
It's not an 'energy' crisis — it's a fossil fuel crisis
RE
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