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#Post#: 1167--------------------------------------------------
Re: Madness of crowds.
By: RE Date: October 8, 2021, 1:48 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1166#msg1166
date=1633710575]
Your former self is who thinks it has all been said. The truth
is we are all too ignorant to ever say it all.
[/quote]
My former self died with my now buried leg. I literally have
one foot in the grave. lol.
It is true there are always newbies who haven't heard it all,
and for them it does pay to "play it again, Sam". The only
thing new here is that all we said then is coming to pass now.
Are there any new solutions to the problem? Not that I am aware
of. So what message can you deliver? Just that things are
bound to get worse and prep for it as best you can.
How society will reconfigure remains open to conjecture.
Certainly the streets in NY Shity won't be very safe even with
just rolling blackouts. Some supply chain problems can be
resolved, others not so possible. EVs are obviously not a
solution with electrical grids already under supplied with fuel.
Hospitals are already overwhelmed with a dipshit virus only
hitting 1% of the population. What happens when one hits 10%?
There were opportunities in the past to avoid the crash, but
they were opportunities and paths not taken. So now it happens,
one domino after another. Pundits are an anachronism now and
unnecessary. Just read the news.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLRjiiAawGg&t=125s
RE
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: K-Dog Date: October 8, 2021, 1:54 pm
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[quote]How society will reconfigure remains open to
conjecture.[/quote]
Concentrating on resisting the near term entropy on a personal
level might be wise.
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: RE Date: October 8, 2021, 5:59 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1168#msg1168
date=1633719287]
[quote]How society will reconfigure remains open to
conjecture.[/quote]
Concentrating on resisting the near term entropy on a personal
level might be wise.
[/quote]
How does one "resist entropy"? Clean your garage? :D
RE
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: K-Dog Date: October 8, 2021, 9:26 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=67.msg1169#msg1169 date=1633733990]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1168#msg1168
date=1633719287]
[quote]How society will reconfigure remains open to
conjecture.[/quote]
Concentrating on resisting the near term entropy on a personal
level might be wise.
[/quote]
How does one "resist entropy"? Clean your garage? :D
RE
[/quote]
I have been out there. The journey begins with the first step.
Of course you can't resist it. Try and stay out of the way.
When it rains find shelter.
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: RE Date: October 8, 2021, 11:50 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1171#msg1171
date=1633746390]
[quote author=RE link=topic=67.msg1169#msg1169 date=1633733990]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1168#msg1168
date=1633719287]
[quote]How society will reconfigure remains open to
conjecture.[/quote]
Concentrating on resisting the near term entropy on a personal
level might be wise.
[/quote]
How does one "resist entropy"? Clean your garage? :D
RE
[/quote]
I have been out there. The journey begins with the first step.
Of course you can't resist it. Try and stay out of the way.
When it rains find shelter.
[/quote]
Alaska is about as far away as you can get in the FSoA. I still
recommend it as a bugout location.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XILWoF9vkts
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: Eddie Date: October 9, 2021, 3:12 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=67.msg1169#msg1169 date=1633733990]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1168#msg1168
date=1633719287]
[quote]How society will reconfigure remains open to
conjecture.[/quote]
Concentrating on resisting the near term entropy on a personal
level might be wise.
[/quote]
How does one "resist entropy"? Clean your garage? :D
RE
[/quote]
That’s where I’m working on it. Just sayin’.
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: Digwe Must Date: October 10, 2021, 12:37 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1154#msg1154
date=1633657771]
[spoiler][quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1148#msg1148
date=1633644452]
I read it but only after checking to see that it was less than
his usual 5000 words.
Part of what Guru Types do is capture people by sunk cost. Once
you have made a significant investment in time on their ideas
you have a bias to accept them. "In for a penny, in for a
pound".
A bit rambling and that is another trick. The brain dead
template of introduction, document body, conclusion widely
taught in skoolz does enforce a basic logic to documents. When
things are all run together with copious doses or true
interesting and sometimes arcane facts thrown in at random
logical weakness is disguised. That is how I see what John was
doing here. He had an opinion and threw a blunderbuss of info
at us to justify his opinion. This should not be confused with
logical rigor.
Got any facts on that new hidden economy that is paying people
so well they leave conventional work behind or did you pull that
from your ass John Greer?
[quote]If you want people to put up patiently with long hours of
drudgery at miserably low wages, subject to wretched conditions
and humiliating policies, so that their self-proclaimed betters
can enjoy lifestyles they will never be able to share, it’s a
really bad idea to make them stop work and give them a good long
period of solitude[/quote]
Greer crosses lines between historical fact, speculation, and
conspiratorial thinking. All over the board. The above quote
suggests that there are puppet-masters pulling strings. The
actual world we live in is an emergent result of human nature.
There are no 'puppetmasters'. We only have rich assholes with
too much power. People need stories, they need explanation, and
when an explanation is lacking people make **** up. Greer is
here to help in the 'lets make **** up' dept.
An invective, no spittle. I found what he wrote interesting,
but I think JG was just thinking out loud.
That quote is something I might write for my own blog when my
ideas are half-baked. It is also something I would also delete
before I published. (relevance, accuracy, truth) yet to be
established. And how does it fit in the whole?
Greer's speculations are often correct. So are mine and so are
yours. All we lack is the rest of his act.
[/quote][/spoiler]
JMG is NOT "verbotten" here. I second that.
The thing with me. I look at what the people in the doom
community have done with what they know. Some of us have gone
after the limelight and $$. For most of us there is not a lot
we can do, so there is not much to criticize, and not many $$ in
this game.
But if you have done things in doom to get paid, everything you
do is open to examination. You have been influencing. With
influencing there is responsibility. Which to some people is a
foreign concept. Does it matter? **** yes it does since the
extinction of everybody on the planet is involved. A
realization that could lead to revolutionary action someday.
Or not.
The only person who is verboten is James Howard Kunstler. James
works with Homeland Security. I know because I am the one that
got burned at the website he runs for Uncle Sam. A honey trap.
So if you post anything about him be kind to me and not be kind
to him because then I will need to type a sputtering invective
rant. And I do have other things to do. Years ago JHK had some
good insights. Now he advocates for freedums, Trump, and voter
suppression. It has to do with his Zionism and a damaged soul.
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Hmmm. An enemies list. That makes me uncomfortable as hell -
but it is your forum. I get it.
Even though I have read several of Kunstler's books and liked
them, I've noticed a pretty nasty and lunatic turn on his part
over the last few years. I actually wrote him about it after he
kept citing the crooked election - producing absolutely no
evidence - and got propaganda regurgitation for a response.
However, even though most of his work is a disappointment to me
now, he continues to make a few good points about cultural
direction and the madness and corruption of our current crop of
inept "leaders".
Also Kunstler has been taking on the medical/ pharma/insurance
cartel for years. Since Covid arrived this has intensified.
Given the news over even the last few days about the Biden
administration newly funding Gain Of Function research, I share
his lack of trust in the medical establishment. (and for many,
many other reasons) But, of course, there are other smart
people who share that distrust and don't have the lunatic
baggage Kunstler carries around.
Actually, I want to send the President a Fauci bobblehead doll
to keep on his desk. Big pharma needs to make more money? Just
tap the doll and Biden will sign it.
You obviously know Kunstler better than I do. Can you take a
minute to enlighten me about his working with Homeland Security?
Seems very odd. This is tied to Zionism? So... could this mean
that his attitude about several things that has taken a turn
over the last several years is actually a set up because the
government has a hammer on him? Or, because he just likes being
a fascist tool?
On the broader point, there are always spies. There are always
people who will sell, trade or blackmail with inside
information. There are always those who view it as insurance or
a path to power or use it as their personal road to further the
big ideal. And, those who get squeezed by the "authorities" and
turn. Some act as agent provocateurs These days many people
help out by spying on themselves. I think it very interesting
that all this increasing intrigue is a familiar hallmark of
final-stage empire.
The Doom community. Another hmmm. I agree that folks have an
immense responsibility - if their gig is telling people how to
live or giving advice and interpretation. I suppose the end of
the world does impart a tad more gravity than bad fashion
advice. I'm assuming that you are referring to the online Doom
community exclusively. Because many people talk about it and
write about it. Far fewer of the online doomers actually pick
up a shovel.
The folks who will do the most good in collapse have already
left town. They aren't going to be bugging anywhere and they
aren't issuing video dispatches from a suburban garage while
dressed in camo.
Most of the people I know who are best equipped to endure
collapse aren't doomers or preppers per se. That is, by
choosing to live in a manner that is less consumptive, more tied
to natural systems, regenerative ag, forestry, pasturing,
alternative energy, Permaculture, etc, they are already
establishing systems, methods and networks that will, hopefully,
sustain. This is much different than hoarding cases of spam and
toilet paper. You can prepare for urban combat, get in online
battles with online enemies and armor your front door, or you
can plant a garden with your neighbors. Prepping is really just
an extension of country life as it has been for a very long
time. For these folks to put up extra food, booze, ammo,
generators, extra fuel, is just not that noticeable or a big
deal. People get it that there could be a wildfire or blizzard
that takes down the grid for a while.
By the way, everybody is armed to the teeth. So is it going to
be all against all? Good luck holding out in the bunker by
yourself. Surviving collapse will largely depend on knowing
when and with whom to cooperate. I was first drawn to the
Doomstead Diner by a guy named Reverse Engineer who used to say,
"Save as many as you can". I prefer that approach to Hobbs.
I had a bit more to say but I need to go get an old backhoe
attachment wrestled on to the tractor - if we can. A very busy
time of year. Change is in the air.
Fodere Debemus
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: RE Date: October 10, 2021, 2:30 pm
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=67.msg1194#msg1194
date=1633887446]
Hmmm. An enemies list. That makes me uncomfortable as hell -
but it is your forum. I get it.
[/quote]
For me, it's not an "enemiies list". It's a Jackass list. Once
I determine someone is a Jackass, I don't talk with them or
about them or their opinions on collapse topics. They are
valueless and it is a waste of time. If they troll my websites
enough, I boot them out.
My motto is "Save as Many as you Can.", yes. There is an
addendum to that however, which is "For those you Cannot Save,
terminate with Extreme Prejudice". :) That is my Editorial
Policy.
In the general population, 99% of people cannot be saved. Among
Diners, 90% can be saved. !0% cannot be, however.
Life is too short to spend time talking to or about Jackasses.
I prefer to spend my few remaining years above ground in more
productive pursuits, like contemplating my navel.
RE
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: K-Dog Date: October 10, 2021, 3:15 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=67.msg1195#msg1195 date=1633894220]
[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=67.msg1194#msg1194
date=1633887446]
Hmmm. An enemies list. That makes me uncomfortable as hell -
but it is your forum. I get it.
[/quote]
For me, it's not an "enemiies list". It's a Jackass list. Once
I determine someone is a Jackass, I don't talk with them or
about them or their opinions on collapse topics. They are
valueless and it is a waste of time. If they troll my websites
enough, I boot them out.
My motto is "Save as Many as you Can.", yes. There is an
addendum to that however, which is "For those you Cannot Save,
terminate with Extreme Prejudice". :) That is my Editorial
Policy.
In the general population, 99% of people cannot be saved. Among
Diners, 90% can be saved. !0% cannot be, however.
Life is too short to spend time talking to or about Jackasses.
I prefer to spend my few remaining years above ground in more
productive pursuits, like contemplating my navel.
RE
[/quote]
[quote]I suppose the end of the world does impart a tad more
gravity than bad fashion advice. [/quote]
Yes, and thank you RE for clarifying that it is a jackass list.
* As to explaining that JHK is a tool of Homeland Security all I
can say is it has been proved to me with absolute certainty. RE
knows the story. All the crumbs from the COINTELPRO cake were
not swept off the floor.
Absolute proof is the kind that can make you bleed.
Russel Brand put it a nice way and I am taking it for my own.
The government involvement with the internet is more than what
we can comfortably talk about.
I learned the hard way.
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: Digwe Must Date: October 10, 2021, 7:34 pm
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So the tractor is back in the shed, now wearing a backhoe.
Well, glad to see that Richard Heinberg is on the non-jackass
list. My wife is a Fellow at PCI and it would be too awkward
for me if y'all hated them too.
Regarding Kunstler I guess I'll just have to take your word for
it.
Not being at all a tech savvy person I've always assumed the
government can look in my underwear whenever they want. The
relatively important and dangerous stuff I just never put on a
computer - but that is easier for me. Having done a shady thing
or two in the distant past I try not to make it easy for the
bastards.
We've been targets for the fascist militia in 3 states at
various times as well as a stint where a couple of large oil
companies got pissed-off at us when Mrs Digwe saved a
considerable portion of wild country from drilling and general
pillage. I'm used to having the authorities on the other side.
I think this helps as things go to shit. No illusions about the
authorities being the good guys. Having underground connections
is useful both in the contraband business and when fighting the
fascists.
Frankly, I think some of the online doom stuff is hilarious.
The Norwegian Viking guy, Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen, cracks me
up. He does doom and bushcraft. In just about every video he
starts a fire in the woods, and shares his current perspective.
Well, maybe in Europe he's in the wild, but you can hear
traffic. sometimes quite a bit of it. He videos himself
canoeing with his dogs and you can see the traffic going along
the road that runs next to the lake. Besides being this large
tough Viking guy (self-professed) he rescues Spanish Mastiff
dogs. They aren't equipped for Norway, so this big tough guy
dresses his dogs in jammies and sweaters. He puts orange
jumpsuits on them for hunting season. Of course, he sells stuff
too.
Gotta feed the sheep.
"the truth will set you free - but first it will piss you off."
- Gloria Steinem
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