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#Post#: 1145--------------------------------------------------
Re: Madness of crowds.
By: RE Date: October 7, 2021, 4:31 pm
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I also can't stand to read Mr. Wizard's material, although I
tend to reserve my spittle fecked invective for Dr. McStinksion.
I can't help seeing him wearing that silly Archdruid costume
with the beard full of 2 day old food particless. Not to
mention of course his pedantic style andself-important poturing.
So I will pass on reading this.
All of us old timers from the Collapse Community know what is
going on here, the only difference now is that it is happening
NOW, as opposed to some indeterminate time in the future. Few
paid attention before, and still not that many more pay
attention now. People want to believe the problem is soluble,
if Da Goobermint would just...do SOMETHING!
Unfortunately, you have half the population getting flooded out
worrying about Climate Change and the other half unable to heat
their homes and ride the elevator up to their 22nd floor flat in
Shanghai. Which group do you want to sell your Hopium to?
My personal goal has been reached, which was to stay above
ground long enough to see the End of the Beginning for
Industrial Civilization Collapse.
"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end.
But it is the end of the beginning."- Illuminati Scumbag Winston
Churchill
Now I can head for the Great Beyond in Peace, and watch the rest
of the Big Show from up on high. :)
RE
#Post#: 1148--------------------------------------------------
Re: Madness of crowds.
By: K-Dog Date: October 7, 2021, 5:07 pm
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I read it but only after checking to see that it was less than
his usual 5000 words.
Part of what Guru Types do is capture people by sunk cost. Once
you have made a significant investment in time on their ideas
you have a bias to accept them. "In for a penny, in for a
pound".
A bit rambling and that is another trick. The brain dead
template of introduction, document body, conclusion widely
taught in skoolz does enforce a basic logic to documents. When
things are all run together with copious doses or true
interesting and sometimes arcane facts thrown in at random
logical weakness is disguised. That is how I see what John was
doing here. He had an opinion and threw a blunderbuss of info
at us to justify his opinion. This should not be confused with
logical rigor.
Got any facts on that new hidden economy that is paying people
so well they leave conventional work behind or did you pull that
from your ass John Greer?
[quote]If you want people to put up patiently with long hours of
drudgery at miserably low wages, subject to wretched conditions
and humiliating policies, so that their self-proclaimed betters
can enjoy lifestyles they will never be able to share, it’s a
really bad idea to make them stop work and give them a good long
period of solitude[/quote]
Greer crosses lines between historical fact, speculation, and
conspiratorial thinking. All over the board. The above quote
suggests that there are puppet-masters pulling strings. The
actual world we live in is an emergent result of human nature.
There are no 'puppetmasters'. We only have rich assholes with
too much power. People need stories, they need explanation, and
when an explanation is lacking people make **** up. Greer is
here to help in the 'lets make **** up' dept.
An invective, no spittle. I found what he wrote interesting,
but I think JG was just thinking out loud.
That quote is something I might write for my own blog when my
ideas are half-baked. It is also something I would also delete
before I published. (relevance, accuracy, truth) yet to be
established. And how does it fit in the whole?
Greer's speculations are often correct. So are mine and so are
yours. All we lack is the rest of his act.
I consider JG to be a high functioning libertarian in a dress.
If you can figure what I think of libertarians by my last phase,
then you are smart enough not to be one.
#Post#: 1151--------------------------------------------------
Re: Madness of crowds.
By: Digwe Must Date: October 7, 2021, 6:47 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1148#msg1148
date=1633644452]
I read it but only after checking to see that it was less than
his usual 5000 words.
Part of what Guru Types do is capture people by sunk cost. Once
you have made a significant investment in time on their ideas
you have a bias to accept them. "In for a penny, in for a
pound".
A bit rambling and that is another trick. The brain dead
template of introduction, document body, conclusion widely
taught in skoolz does enforce a basic logic to documents. When
things are all run together with copious doses or true
interesting and sometimes arcane facts thrown in at random
logical weakness is disguised. That is how I see what John was
doing here. He had an opinion and threw a blunderbuss of info
at us to justify his opinion. This should not be confused with
logical rigor.
Got any facts on that new hidden economy that is paying people
so well they leave conventional work behind or did you pull that
from your ass John Greer?
[quote]If you want people to put up patiently with long hours of
drudgery at miserably low wages, subject to wretched conditions
and humiliating policies, so that their self-proclaimed betters
can enjoy lifestyles they will never be able to share, it’s a
really bad idea to make them stop work and give them a good long
period of solitude[/quote]
Greer crosses lines between historical fact, speculation, and
conspiratorial thinking. All over the board. The above quote
suggests that there are puppet-masters pulling strings. The
actual world we live in is an emergent result of human nature.
There are no 'puppetmasters'. We only have rich assholes with
too much power. People need stories, they need explanation, and
when an explanation is lacking people make **** up. Greer is
here to help in the 'lets make **** up' dept.
An invective, no spittle. I found what he wrote interesting,
but I think JG was just thinking out loud.
That quote is something I might write for my own blog when my
ideas are half-baked. It is also something I would also delete
before I published. (relevance, accuracy, truth) yet to be
established. And how does it fit in the whole?
Greer's speculations are often correct. So are mine and so are
yours. All we lack is the rest of his act.
I consider JG to be a high functioning libertarian in a dress.
If you can figure what I think of libertarians by my last phase,
then you are smart enough not to be one.
[/quote]
Gosh. Gee whiz. Okay, I won't make that mistake again. But,
besides that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?
I'm inside for a brief break in between stacking firewood and
digging spuds. We are going to finally get a frost tonight and
preps must be made. I have to butcher at least 12 sheep in the
next 6 weeks or less, and I really want to have the wood in
before I start hanging sheep.
Admittedly, we do not have the shtick that Greer has and I won't
be wearing the dress. I already look terrible in shorts.
Besides, the dress would instantly get filthy here. Regarding
the Druid thing - I have no interest in it or any religious
organization. I don't know if you were referring to me, but I'm
certainly not in for a penny or a pound. Information comes in
from many directions. The fact that the guy is odd does not
deter me though. I'm a click off normal myself and have have
learned many valuable things from other fringe dwellers. He
started out, as I recall, by telling folks to get familiar with
small scale alternative power. I thought that was good and I
still do. I usually find it useful to view a problem that I
have thought about from someone else's perspective. Sometimes
that is enlightening. Other times it solidifies my own view.
And, as it happens, sometimes I get even more confused.
But not to worry. Greer is now added to my list of verboten
topics of discussion along with Clathrate man.
Hope you get a chance to check out the low tech solar panel
article I posted on the energy topic thing. Pretty cool.
Back to digging spuds - work I am intellectually suited for.
#Post#: 1153--------------------------------------------------
Re: Madness of crowds.
By: RE Date: October 7, 2021, 8:32 pm
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=67.msg1151#msg1151
date=1633650466]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1148#msg1148
date=1633644452]
I read it but only after checking to see that it was less than
his usual 5000 words.
Part of what Guru Types do is capture people by sunk cost. Once
you have made a significant investment in time on their ideas
you have a bias to accept them. "In for a penny, in for a
pound".
A bit rambling and that is another trick. The brain dead
template of introduction, document body, conclusion widely
taught in skoolz does enforce a basic logic to documents. When
things are all run together with copious doses or true
interesting and sometimes arcane facts thrown in at random
logical weakness is disguised. That is how I see what John was
doing here. He had an opinion and threw a blunderbuss of info
at us to justify his opinion. This should not be confused with
logical rigor.
Got any facts on that new hidden economy that is paying people
so well they leave conventional work behind or did you pull that
from your ass John Greer?
[quote]If you want people to put up patiently with long hours of
drudgery at miserably low wages, subject to wretched conditions
and humiliating policies, so that their self-proclaimed betters
can enjoy lifestyles they will never be able to share, it’s a
really bad idea to make them stop work and give them a good long
period of solitude[/quote]
Greer crosses lines between historical fact, speculation, and
conspiratorial thinking. All over the board. The above quote
suggests that there are puppet-masters pulling strings. The
actual world we live in is an emergent result of human nature.
There are no 'puppetmasters'. We only have rich assholes with
too much power. People need stories, they need explanation, and
when an explanation is lacking people make **** up. Greer is
here to help in the 'lets make **** up' dept.
An invective, no spittle. I found what he wrote interesting,
but I think JG was just thinking out loud.
That quote is something I might write for my own blog when my
ideas are half-baked. It is also something I would also delete
before I published. (relevance, accuracy, truth) yet to be
established. And how does it fit in the whole?
Greer's speculations are often correct. So are mine and so are
yours. All we lack is the rest of his act.
I consider JG to be a high functioning libertarian in a dress.
If you can figure what I think of libertarians by my last phase,
then you are smart enough not to be one.
[/quote]
Gosh. Gee whiz. Okay, I won't make that mistake again. But,
besides that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?
I'm inside for a brief break in between stacking firewood and
digging spuds. We are going to finally get a frost tonight and
preps must be made. I have to butcher at least 12 sheep in the
next 6 weeks or less, and I really want to have the wood in
before I start hanging sheep.
Admittedly, we do not have the shtick that Greer has and I won't
be wearing the dress. I already look terrible in shorts.
Besides, the dress would instantly get filthy here. Regarding
the Druid thing - I have no interest in it or any religious
organization. I don't know if you were referring to me, but I'm
certainly not in for a penny or a pound. Information comes in
from many directions. The fact that the guy is odd does not
deter me though. I'm a click off normal myself and have have
learned many valuable things from other fringe dwellers. He
started out, as I recall, by telling folks to get familiar with
small scale alternative power. I thought that was good and I
still do. I usually find it useful to view a problem that I
have thought about from someone else's perspective. Sometimes
that is enlightening. Other times it solidifies my own view.
And, as it happens, sometimes I get even more confused.
But not to worry. Greer is now added to my list of verboten
topics of discussion along with Clathrate man.
Hope you get a chance to check out the low tech solar panel
article I posted on the energy topic thing. Pretty cool.
Back to digging spuds - work I am intellectually suited for.
[/quote]
JMG is NOT "verbotten" here. Just K-Dog and I have years of
experience with him, and he has numerous queer ideas and
beliefs. He expects either Raccons or Crows will take over as
sentient life in place of Homo Sap for instance. He expects a
"slow catabolic collapse" rather than a rapid descent to
crapola. He's insufferable if you try to engage him in
conversation and disagree with him. If you want to cite
something he wrote though, feel free :) You will run into
headwinds though.
Anyhow, it ain't OVAH till the Fat Lady sings, but she's singing
quite loud in China, India and Europe at the moment. I expect
her voice to become louder here as well.
RE
#Post#: 1154--------------------------------------------------
Re: Madness of crowds.
By: K-Dog Date: October 7, 2021, 8:49 pm
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[spoiler][quote author=K-Dog link=topic=67.msg1148#msg1148
date=1633644452]
I read it but only after checking to see that it was less than
his usual 5000 words.
Part of what Guru Types do is capture people by sunk cost. Once
you have made a significant investment in time on their ideas
you have a bias to accept them. "In for a penny, in for a
pound".
A bit rambling and that is another trick. The brain dead
template of introduction, document body, conclusion widely
taught in skoolz does enforce a basic logic to documents. When
things are all run together with copious doses or true
interesting and sometimes arcane facts thrown in at random
logical weakness is disguised. That is how I see what John was
doing here. He had an opinion and threw a blunderbuss of info
at us to justify his opinion. This should not be confused with
logical rigor.
Got any facts on that new hidden economy that is paying people
so well they leave conventional work behind or did you pull that
from your ass John Greer?
[quote]If you want people to put up patiently with long hours of
drudgery at miserably low wages, subject to wretched conditions
and humiliating policies, so that their self-proclaimed betters
can enjoy lifestyles they will never be able to share, it’s a
really bad idea to make them stop work and give them a good long
period of solitude[/quote]
Greer crosses lines between historical fact, speculation, and
conspiratorial thinking. All over the board. The above quote
suggests that there are puppet-masters pulling strings. The
actual world we live in is an emergent result of human nature.
There are no 'puppetmasters'. We only have rich assholes with
too much power. People need stories, they need explanation, and
when an explanation is lacking people make **** up. Greer is
here to help in the 'lets make **** up' dept.
An invective, no spittle. I found what he wrote interesting,
but I think JG was just thinking out loud.
That quote is something I might write for my own blog when my
ideas are half-baked. It is also something I would also delete
before I published. (relevance, accuracy, truth) yet to be
established. And how does it fit in the whole?
Greer's speculations are often correct. So are mine and so are
yours. All we lack is the rest of his act.
[/quote][/spoiler]
JMG is NOT "verbotten" here. I second that.
The thing with me. I look at what the people in the doom
community have done with what they know. Some of us have gone
after the limelight and $$. For most of us there is not a lot
we can do, so there is not much to criticize, and not many $$ in
this game.
But if you have done things in doom to get paid, everything you
do is open to examination. You have been influencing. With
influencing there is responsibility. Which to some people is a
foreign concept. Does it matter? **** yes it does since the
extinction of everybody on the planet is involved. A
realization that could lead to revolutionary action someday.
Or not.
The only person who is verboten is James Howard Kunstler. James
works with Homeland Security. I know because I am the one that
got burned at the website he runs for Uncle Sam. A honey trap.
So if you post anything about him be kind to me and not be kind
to him because then I will need to type a sputtering invective
rant. And I do have other things to do. Years ago JHK had some
good insights. Now he advocates for freedums, Trump, and voter
suppression. It has to do with his Zionism and a damaged soul.
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#Post#: 1158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Madness of crowds.
By: RE Date: October 8, 2021, 12:23 am
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Can I add Dmitry Orlov to the Verbotten list of Collapse
Pundits? lol.
RE
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: K-Dog Date: October 8, 2021, 2:42 am
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[quote author=RE link=topic=67.msg1158#msg1158 date=1633670617]
Can I add Dmitry Orlov to the Verbotten list of Collapse
Pundits? lol.
RE
[/quote]
I forgot about Mr. Ego. By all means do.
Is there anyone we actually do like or is having at least one
character flaw a requirement for membership in the club of doom?
Ah now I remember. Orlov had a special request out on his blog
for a new diesel motor for the boat.
I guess if he adds magnets to the fuel lines to get impossible
kilometers / liter, and paints the motor green. It is all good.
Several hundred people spent what amounts to hundreds of hours
listening to an ego rant and cry for a new toy. And they are
fine with it. And Dmitry gets his motor.
More proof humans are doomed. And no the problem is not a
matter of the princess and the pea. The doom slugs we are
talking about all went after money. They could have chosen to
organize workers standing in solidarity against the man instead.
And it would be more fun.
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: K-Dog Date: October 8, 2021, 2:54 am
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I like Roger and Greta.
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: RE Date: October 8, 2021, 7:56 am
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Richard Heinberg is OK. The Post Carbon Institute does some
good videos. Chris Hedges also good, particularly on the
political level.
Steve Ludlum was GREAT on the Economics. His "Triangle of Doom"
should have won the Nobel Prize in Economics. He called the
crash in Oil Prices more than 3 years ahead TO THE MONTH! Who
says you can't predict the future?
Ugo Bardi also excellent.
It's basically a matter of trajectory, not timelines. The Club
of Rome did a real good job with the Limits to Growth graph back
in the 70s. It has turned out quite accurate in trajectory,
just slightly off on timeline. Going back further, Rachel
Carson also prescient with "Silent Spring".
I haven't found anyone recently producing good material, but
then I don't really look around much anymore. At this point,
there really isn't much new to say. It's just a matter of
watching the newz and the dominoes falling.
Increasing population, decreasing available energy, at some time
you reach an inflection point. This is not Rocket Science or
Quantum Mechanics, you don't need to be Einstein to work it out.
If you drive your car at a brick wall at 100mph, predicting the
future is EZ. It will CRASH. duh. At some point it is too
late to swerve or jam on the brakes, inertia will carry you into
the wall regardless.
Have we reached this point everywhere yet? Here on the Last
Great Frontier, no. Low population, good energy reserves still
left. However if you ask a Chinese, Indian or European with the
lights out and no Bacon for breakfast, you probably would get a
different answer.
RE
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Re: Madness of crowds.
By: K-Dog Date: October 8, 2021, 11:29 am
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I am not sure we can count Ugo since he is a Diner. One of us.
Richard of course:
[quote]In other words, power is the key to solving climate
change—but not necessarily in the way that many pundits claim.
Solutions will not come just from defeating fossil fuel
interests and empowering green entrepreneurs; real climate
progress will require the willingness of large swathes of the
populace, especially in wealthy countries, to forgo forms of
power they currently enjoy: comfort and convenience, the ability
to travel far and fast, and the option to easily obtain a wide
range of consumer products whose manufacture entails large
inputs of energy and natural resources.[/quote]
HTML https://richardheinberg.com/museletter-343-the-only-long-range-solution-to-climate-change
Thanks for mentioning some good guys. I needed that. I can
think of a few more now.
I don't like the 'it has all been said before meme. I
understand it, I just don't like it. Besides repetition being
necessary to fight the erosion of memory, a brand new crop of
ignorant is always around who has not heard the message even a
first time. So the meme is not airtight, but the big thing is
that what is really going on is frustration at being ignored
IMHO.
And:
[quote]“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow
man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
[/quote]
Your former self is who thinks it has all been said. The truth
is we are all too ignorant to ever say it all.
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