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Re: Shocking discovery
By: Phil Potts Date: September 13, 2021, 6:05 pm
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[quote author=Nearings fault link=topic=61.msg940#msg940
date=1631561117]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=61.msg938#msg938
date=1631552655]
The sacking of Troy doesn't involve a mythical siege and giant
wooden horse. It's Troyboy clearing out his desk, then being
unable to pay for power for his freezer or even a place to plug
it in. Troy also can't travel or enter any business or service
following guidelines.
I take it you think 'let them eat cake' is just an us and them
branding slogan. Pelosi and other politicians, as well as their
bosses having exemption from being experimented on, marks a
genuine difference between us.
The empirical evidence might be in the animal studies. I don't
know if any were done on juveniles though. Effects on still
developing ovaries and testicles might lower fertility
significantly.
Here's the empirical evidence from England for the choices Troy
and other lepers have:
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Is that table per 100000 of population? That would be the
standard way of showing it. If that is the case then those
numbers don't show the real picture since over 75 percent of the
UK pop is vaccinated therefore the sample size is from a much
lower population.
At this point I care about hopitalizations and icu cases.
Ontario has a decent website showing it and the contrast stands
out well between vacinated and non.
HTML https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations
Personally I'm all for mandates and passports until they have
good studies for kids. Once my kids can get vaccinated all the
conspiracy anti vaxxers can hide in their caves for all I care.
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Yes it is per 100,000. England, not all of UK and it takes a
specific subset of weeks in case you did not notice.
The data for the reason we are told unvaccinated can live in
caves. That is we are told they are a threat of spreading the
disease. This is after we were told the vaccine was over 90%
effective in preventing infection (the researchers did in fact
warn that mutations could make them inneffective) Maybe our
health spokespeople and news readers just forgot to mention it.
If politicians are lying to you about the reason for forcing you
to be
Vaxed and tracked (doing away with the PCR test soon will get
rid of this evidence), then you have a conspiracy. Fauci and
others refuse to answer questions on natural immunity after
having recovered. They have far greater protection than
vaccinated. If they are still not given freedom, then insisting
on regularly injecting you can not be for the stated reason and
you have a conspiracy.
If you are only interested in hospital admissions and deaths,
you need to consider efficacy of alternative treatments and why
they are not allowed. Let's hear a better reason than a
conspiracy between pharmacos and politicians. The latter sell
you to former without indemnity, and the former can sell you to
the latter so they can stay in power. The 4IR and great reset
dictate the growth paradigm is going and bug burgers are only a
temporary solution to the useless eaters numbers problem.
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Re: Shocking discovery
By: Nearings fault Date: September 13, 2021, 7:05 pm
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Depends where you are. The mRNA vaccine was originally proposed
as a means to prevent infection which it did very well with the
original strain. When Delta came along the messaging here
changed to reducing severity. The UK might not be a good example
as a great deal of the vaccinations were astra zeneca which has
proven less effective. Idon't see any problem that the message
changed as circumstances changed I want my governments to adjust
to changing circumstances. I won't comment of the rest.
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Re: Shocking discovery
By: Eddie Date: September 14, 2021, 8:20 pm
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[quote author=Nearings fault link=topic=61.msg944#msg944
date=1631577959]
Depends where you are. The mRNA vaccine was originally proposed
as a means to prevent infection which it did very well with the
original strain. When Delta came along the messaging here
changed to reducing severity. The UK might not be a good example
as a great deal of the vaccinations were astra zeneca which has
proven less effective. Idon't see any problem that the message
changed as circumstances changed I want my governments to adjust
to changing circumstances. I won't comment of the rest.
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Let me join the sane team. I tried to get a third shot today and
was turned away. But it looks like it will be available within a
few days. Glad I don’t have kids in school but I do have a
daughter who is a teacher and they are at some risk, even when
vaxxed. So yeah. Put me down for abolishing freedom and
enforcing reasonable public health measure in an epidemic.
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Re: Shocking discovery
By: Phil Potts Date: September 15, 2021, 1:54 am
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[quote author=Eddie link=topic=61.msg946#msg946 date=1631668813]
[quote author=Nearings fault link=topic=61.msg944#msg944
date=1631577959]
Depends where you are. The mRNA vaccine was originally proposed
as a means to prevent infection which it did very well with the
original strain. When Delta came along the messaging here
changed to reducing severity. The UK might not be a good example
as a great deal of the vaccinations were astra zeneca which has
proven less effective. Idon't see any problem that the message
changed as circumstances changed I want my governments to adjust
to changing circumstances. I won't comment of the rest.
[/quote]
Let me join the sane team. I tried to get a third shot today and
was turned away. But it looks like it will be available within a
few days. Glad I don’t have kids in school but I do have a
daughter who is a teacher and they are at some risk, even when
vaxxed. So yeah. Put me down for abolishing freedom and
enforcing reasonable public health measure in an epidemic.
[/quote]
Are you familiar with the famous 1950s research by Solomon Asch
on joining the same vs sane team? Read this after the rest
thanks:
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments
I saw a news poll the other day, should doctors be prohibited
from prescribing the horse wormer (I'm not allowed to type the i
word).
Highest response was yes. I wouldn't question that except it
goes against other real commentary I'm seeing. Next step could
be "anybody who bought the horse wormer who doesn't have a
horse" being fined or jailed. Be careful what you wish for. Who
benefits from banning it, pharmacos again.
Who is the messaging changed to protect? Let's see. Politicians,
health Tsar's and newsreaders not mentioning the caveat that the
pharmacos couldn't guarantee effectiveness after 6 months (and
so ongoing boosters every 6 months would be the future). Fair to
say that was no promise of protection or getting back to normal
and would hurt sales for the pharmacos.
Not providing passport to people who recovered naturally, making
them also get Vax. Protecting pharmacos profit again. A top NIH
epidemiologist quit the other day over this.
The poll I mentioned above is suspect now because of seeing a
story on a large group of unvaxed wanting to move to mullambimby
as it's friendlier to them with many businesses saying they will
not refuse them. They need to be allowed to travel there first,
then they need to afford the 1.5m$ AVG house price. It's a hippy
haven, with very low Vax rate for other things. What I saw in
the comments and I didn't read all but at least the first 50 in
the conservative Daily Mail was 3:1 in favour of the rights of
the unvaxd.
I really don't understand you guys thinking risks of covid to
kids outweighs both known short term risks and unknown long term
side effects of Vax. Even with Delta putting 10x the number of
kids in hospital for covid, it's up from virtually nil to
negligible. If they do get to hospital for covid, they most
likely already are regularly spending time there. If they are
healthy, risk is still very low. I think this needs to be
properly weighed up and exceed at least 500 per million against
no long term data on development from Vax. 2 top CDC scientists
with about 2O yrs service each, quit over the issue last week.
Why?
I expect this to be taken down very soon, if u have FB you can
check the article isn't making it all up. I already have. So
much for 'stop getting your information from Facebook' :
HTML https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158207967261135&id=80221381134
HTML https://thedcpatriot.com/facebook-post-accidentally-reveals-more-people-are-being-killed-by-the-vaccine-than-the-media-is-letting-on/
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Re: Shocking discovery
By: RE Date: September 15, 2021, 4:37 am
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It should be noted that Pharma stocks DROPPED on the newz that a
3rd Vax might not be required. Far as the kidz go, the BEST
solution is not to send them to Skule! That is a rathole worse
for kidz than Covid!
On a similar note, Covid seems to target Unvaxxed Right Wing
radio personalities, so there is a very good reason not to make
shots mandatory. ;D
One thing I can guarantee is there will be blowback. There is
no Free Lunch.
The fact is we need more people to die faster. I am
particularly in favor of anything which kills more righty
wingnuts than lefties. :D
If you wanna get Vaxxed, get Vaxxed. If you don't, don't.
RE
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Re: Shocking discovery
By: Digwe Must Date: September 16, 2021, 1:17 pm
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Greetings from the cave. Let me put down my club for a second
and respond.
I'm opposed to sweeping government mandates. If the
powers-that-be had been honest about this crisis from the start
I might consider trusting them. However, there has been lie
after misstatement after miscalculation after statistical
manipulation after another lie. This has gone on from the
initial mendacity about the origin of the virus to hiding
negative effects of the vaccines and the outright lies about
effective existing treatments. The profiteers won the day and
are continuing to confuse and obfuscate - and profit obscenely
from this crisis. One can think of this as another triumph of
corporate capitalism or, in my view, the crime of the century.
This does not mean that I don't take the damn virus seriously.
I mask up when in public (a rare occasion) regardless of
mandate, and do all the distancing and hygiene stuff. The thing
about the mask is that I can take it off. It does not have any
long term health impact. You do not know what the long term
health impacts are from the vaccines. You just don't know.
This does not mean that I think Bill Gates secreted nano
particles into the vaccine that will make me subject to 5g mind
control. It just means that I decline to be a lab rat.
It's about risk assessment for me. If I had work or social
obligations that brought me into close contact with people on a
regular basis I'd probably decide getting the vaccine was a
lower risk to me and those I was in contact with. If I had kids
in school or visited nursing homes I'd get the vaccine.
However, I am a grumpy old fart who lives in the woods and
rarely sees anyone. I just stay in the cave and throw rocks at
strangers.
I know several vaccinated people who've gotten sick with covid.
One has reported long haul symptoms From the vaccination. My
brother in law got a severe case of Covid (bad flu level) from a
friend of his who was double vaccinated even though he is also
double vaccinated.
We work hard at enhancing our immunity. Since starting the
regimen we've been on for the last 8-9 years neither my wife or
I have had the flu or even a head cold. No flu shots. We both
have one major risk factor. We're old. However, we aren't
overweight or diabetic. Heart, blood pressure, lungs and liver
in good shape.
Apparently new variants with mutated spike proteins are going to
render the current vaccines largely ineffective anyway.
If the authorities are having trouble convincing people to trust
them and their vaccine they have only themselves to blame.
Troglodytes For Truth.
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