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Re: Economy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: November 1, 2021, 7:09 pm
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=60.msg1481#msg1481
date=1635738742]
Of all the important subjects surrounding collapse, the China
situation is, by far, the one I find the least consensus on. I
sure as hell don't know, and the folks around this issue for
whom I have respect, disagree more about China than any other
topic. The Chinese are either an unstoppable economic and
military juggernaut or a paper tiger with numerous weaknesses
and vulnerabilities. The more environmentally conscious folks
will tell you the Chinese have poisoned their land, water and
air beyond salvage. The China situation is absolutely critical
to the near term path of collapse, and I do not have a clear
picture at all of how it will shake out.
I do think the demographic problem is not as much of a
contradiction regarding the energy situation simply because of
the time frame. It seems to me the energy problem is immediate
with obvious consequences for the economy now. The demographic
problem is a long haul issue.
If you listen to nationalistic Chinese, they say the pollution
is getting cleaned up, most of the food is grown local, and
empty cities getting filled. They might be over optimistic, but
our prevailing belief is those people don't even exist. My first
thought flying in to Guangdong, a city containing probably half
of America, was how on earth do they get food to this many
people from outside, but somehow they do. They are Skylab from
the terminator movies in my opinion. They also have most of the
research money that isn't granted to come up with desired
outcomes. Their goal of computerizing the human brain and how
close they are to it, is horrifying.
The rolling factory shut downs in china are going to be another
supply chain slowdown for however long it lasts. Intermittent
production of things as required would be common sense if we did
not have the whole growth based system. That could be what's
happening and then a currency reset can make 'degrowth' because
'sustainable growth' is a pipe dream, the new normal.
So, massive protests and unrest over mandates. You've said
before the governments (OZ NZ) are brutally cracking down and
seem to be gaining steam as gloves-off authoritarian. SO, PP,
in your opinion will the people knuckle under? Will they rise
up? I know that both OZ and NZ have **** down on firearms in
recent years. It seems they are a bit touchy about their people
being killed en masse by lunatics. Of course, there will be
guns buried under the crawl space - but with no ammo, the Oz gov
doesn't seem to worry about an armed revolt.
It's been progressive over 25 yrs, beginning with only semi
auto. Now if you see knives on sale in a supermarket, it's a
final clearance because they will no longer be selling them. I
can't even get the type of can opener you punch into the can,
only the one that clamps on the side with a handle you turn.
The weekend protest must have had a permit, as a few politicians
have opposed the bill, that's not surprising. No thousands of
riot police and military this time. One officer who resigned
addressed them, saying they had no loyalty to the people or
their fellow officers that were sacked, only to their paycheck.
Some might have felt ashamed, but it doesn't change anything.
My feeling is it was all just a pitiful funeral. A fiddler
mournfully played the national anthem. Therein lies the answer
to your question, impotently evoking some national pride on what
they thought the social contract with govt once was, with law
abiding citizens hoping to use petitions and court challenges. I
doubt more than that is going to happen and they will not riot,
even as peaceful protest without permits is classified as
rioting. If there was any organisation for a general strike at
least, or to all not go home until some demands were met, then
they could accomplish it.
It's not on utube, but u can see it here:
HTML https://www.reignitedemocracyaustralia.com.au/
TPTB here in the states are very aware of the armed populace and
I do believe that holds them in check just a bit.
That's also my take on why they tread more softly and slowly
there. Religious exemption for one thing, is not a feature at
all here.
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Re: Economy Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: November 1, 2021, 11:08 pm
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=60.msg1491#msg1491
date=1635811785]
[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=60.msg1481#msg1481
date=1635738742]
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So, massive protests and unrest over mandates. You've said
before the governments (OZ NZ) are brutally cracking down and
seem to be gaining steam as gloves-off authoritarian. SO, PP,
in your opinion will the people knuckle under? Will they rise
up? I know that both OZ and NZ have **** down on firearms in
recent years. It seems they are a bit touchy about their people
being killed en masse by lunatics. Of course, there will be
guns buried under the crawl space - but with no ammo, the Oz gov
doesn't seem to worry about an armed revolt.
It's been progressive over 25 yrs, beginning with only semi
auto. Now if you see knives on sale in a supermarket, it's a
final clearance because they will no longer be selling them. I
can't even get the type of can opener you punch into the can,
only the one that clamps on the side with a handle you turn.
My feeling is it was all just a pitiful funeral. A fiddler
mournfully played the national anthem. Therein lies the answer
to your question, impotently evoking some national pride on what
they thought the social contract with govt once was, with law
abiding citizens hoping to use petitions and court challenges. I
doubt more than that is going to happen and they will not riot,
even as peaceful protest without permits is classified as
rioting. If there was any organisation for a general strike at
least, or to all not go home until some demands were met, then
they could accomplish it.
I'm sorry, PP. The guy with the fiddle... so sad. A funeral
indeed. With no real ability to fight the bastards, you are
correct, it will take a general strike of serious proportion and
dedication among the participants. Once you start such an
action they will do everything they can to break you. Better
not even to start unless you are prepared for sacrifice on a
scale few of us can envision. Indeed, in order to be successful
such an action requires a sense that there is nothing left to
lose. I don't think any of the western populations have the
mindset yet - but soon.
Every Aussie I've met had brass balls the size of watermelons.
They were opinionated, could fight and were not reluctant to do
so. In years past they were known as some of the best jungle
fighters in the world, and not bad in the deserts of North
Africa either. So, I will be surprised if you all go quietly.
Practical questions: How are farmers supposed to function
without firearms in a country where there are predators? Is
this given any consideration? If you can't buy knives how are
chefs supposed to cook? Seems as if you've got some tropical
forest in the north. Are machetes illegal? Axes? You can make
knives for chrissake.
Seems like a good spot for a Jefferson quote about the tree of
liberty and the blood of tyrants but I'll just go with Emma
Goldman. The quote is about food and not repression - but it is
mostly about the recourse of desperate people.
“Ask for work. If they don't give you work, ask for bread. If
they do not give you work or bread, then take bread.”
― Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays
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Re: Economy Errata
By: RE Date: November 2, 2021, 1:52 am
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=60.msg1493#msg1493
date=1635826136]
Practical questions: How are farmers supposed to function
without firearms in a country where there are predators? Is
this given any consideration? If you can't buy knives how are
chefs supposed to cook? Seems as if you've got some tropical
forest in the north. Are machetes illegal? Axes? You can make
knives for chrissake.
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Anybody can make a knife. All you need is some sheet metal off
a car and a grinder. Or just a sharpening stone if you have no
electricity. Gunz aren't all that hard to make either. Zip
gunz have been made inside jails for years. Not the most
accurate weapons, but they work OK at close range. Nowadays you
can make a good one with a 3D printer. Explosives not hard,
give me some Ammonium Nitrate and Petrol, I can make a very nice
one. No fertilizer or petrol available at the farm supply
store? How will you grow enough food and harvest it all up?
Carz are fabulous weapons, and already used by people with
Nothing Left to Lose. Be a iittle creative and you don't even
need to sit in the driver's seat.
Enforcement personnel also are becoming increasingly hard to
recruit. Both the Military and Gestapo have recruitment
problems these days, not just Starbucks. Jay Gould's famous
quote that he could always hire half the population to kill the
other half is not entirely true.
Slaves do revolt, eventually. Things just need to get bad
enough to push them over the edge. Not that bad in the FSoA yet
or Oz, but getting there inexorably.
RE
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Flights to Nowhere
By: RE Date: November 2, 2021, 1:43 pm
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I've been waiting 3 weeks for an appointment for the latest fix
of my fake leg, and got a call this morning from the
receptionist telling me today's is cancelled because the
Prosthetic mechanic is stuck in Seattle due to cancelled
flights. Air travel has now become even worse than it was,
which is hard to imagine.
HTML https://www.today.com/video/american-airline-scrambles-after-thousands-of-flight-cancellations-125167685722
You would have to be nuts to fly anywhere these days, especially
just for a lousy Turkey at Grandma's place in a few weeks. This
problem is going to be fixed none too soon, and likely to get
worse before it gets better, if it does.
Meanwhile at the COP26 conference, World "Leaders" all showed up
in their Private Jets to make promises they can't keep between
snoozing during speeches they were there to listen to. No
flight delays for them! Well, at least as long as enough air
controllers show up for work. lol. A few mid air collisions
should cut their flying time down. Can they leave? Did the air
port get enough Jet Fuel from the truck drivers?
Why hasn't Elon Musk rolled any Self-Flying EV Jets off the
production line at Tesla yet? How come the Japanese aren't
producing Robotic Stewardesses yet? Why can't I get out of my
driveway in my new Tesla because I have so much garbage piled up
waiting for a pickup?
Down and down she goes, where it stops, nobody knows.
RE
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Re: Economy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: November 2, 2021, 11:42 pm
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Skip the first two minutes. she says there's an economic
collapse happening and gives ideas on how to deal with it
different to the typical prepping blueprint.
HTML https://youtu.be/47wUcqeMTuY
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Re: Economy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: November 4, 2021, 1:01 am
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So the message to her sisters is not to be an Only Fans Hoe
because that bus stops at the station. Getting married to a man
that can provide for you indefinitely so you can do a not have
to work thing if **** hits the fan. A better plan.
Or have the right cred and get hooked up so you don't suffer
like people without the hook up. Christian?
Hmmmmmmmm Hoe hoe hoe, no no no?
I agree with her attitude about easy money.
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Re: Economy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: November 4, 2021, 2:57 am
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=60.msg1511#msg1511
date=1636005693]
So the message to her sisters is not to be an Only Fans Hoe
because that bus stops at the station. Getting married to a man
that can provide for you indefinitely so you can do a not have
to work thing if **** hits the fan. A better plan.
Or have the right cred and get hooked up so you don't suffer
like people without the hook up. Christian?
Hmmmmmmmm Hoe hoe hoe, no no no?
I agree with her attitude about easy money.
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The bus might stop, plus your kids might jump in front of it if
all their friends know about it.
My take away was that she's not the type to be getting dirty
raking manure and milking cows or hunting, so she had good
advice for millenials in the cities. Mainly that there is an
economic collapse underway and it's time to get smarter about
making use of money or even just making money. That can mean two
paychecques one set of bills, or backing a winner by making them
dinner etc.
I don't know what her own status is, but this is the age of
utube and podcasts taking over from tv, so why not if she thinks
she can. There are a lot of people doing really well from it and
it doesn't need running away or raising money. She came up in my
feed and I figured was worth sharing after all.
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Where have all the Wage Slaves Gone?
By: RE Date: November 4, 2021, 2:07 pm
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This is horrible! Corporate profits are shrinking! We need to
import more immigrants! Too many retirees! ::)
These articles get increasingly stupid and tiresome all the
time. Doesn't anyone study demographics? They can't do basic
math? Wher are the new wage slave immigrants supposed to come
from? Afghanistan? Muslims & Terrorists! Mexico? Drug
Dealers and Gang Bangers! Europe? China? They have the same
labor shortage as here.
Raise wages? God forbid. This would cut profits and drive a
wage-price inflation spiral. Da Fed would have to raise
interest rates, so no more free money for investors.
Cut Goobermint bennies? More people don't pay rent and
mortgages. Zillow is now OUT of the house flipping bizness.
China's RE market is in even worse shape.
Where is the light at the end of the tunnel here? Buehler?
Buehler?
RE
If the labor shortage continues, the US economy won't be able to
recover
HTML https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/04/perspectives/labor-shortage-us-economy/index.html
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No Recession In 2022—But Watch Out In 2023
By: RE Date: November 4, 2021, 10:06 pm
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Don't worry, be happy according to Forbes. No Recession until
2023!
Perhaps, but the vast number of insupportable assumptions in
this article boggles the mind. ::)
The biggest stupidity here is that Federal Deficits don't
matter. If they don't, why don't the Pols just get rid of the
"debt Ceiling" they keep raising? Just give everyone a UBI the
size of a Doctor's paycheck! POOF, everyone is rich!.
I will be quite surprised if the smartest guys in the room can
keep this papered over for a full year.
No Recession In 2022—But Watch Out In 2023
HTML https://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2021/11/02/no-recession-in-2022-but-watch-out-in-2023/?sh=5fd7350c3555
RE
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Re: No Recession In 2022—But Watch Out In 2023
By: moniker Date: November 5, 2021, 9:06 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=60.msg1524#msg1524 date=1636081616]
Don't worry, be happy according to Forbes. No Recession until
2023!
Perhaps, but the vast number of insupportable assumptions in
this article boggles the mind. ::)
The biggest stupidity here is that Federal Deficits don't
matter. If they don't, why don't the Pols just get rid of the
"debt Ceiling" they keep raising? Just give everyone a UBI the
size of a Doctor's paycheck! POOF, everyone is rich!.
I will be quite surprised if the smartest guys in the room can
keep this papered over for a full year.
No Recession In 2022—But Watch Out In 2023
HTML https://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2021/11/02/no-recession-in-2022-but-watch-out-in-2023/?sh=5fd7350c3555
RE
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Federal Deficits don't matter because the money is owed to the
Fed and the 2 dozen people who have most of the money. The Fed
just printed up the money, and the others don't need it.
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