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       Re: Economy Errata
       By: K-Dog Date: September 28, 2021, 8:23 am
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       How do you support 7.5B Homo Saps on Planet Earth without FFs?
       Answer is: YOU CAN"T!
       #Post#: 1053--------------------------------------------------
       The workers who keep global supply chains moving are warning of 
       a 'system collapse'
       By: RE Date: September 29, 2021, 2:00 pm
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       Tick, Tock, Tick Tock...
       The workers who keep global supply chains moving are warning of
       a 'system collapse'
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       Re: Economy Errata
       By: Digwe Must Date: September 30, 2021, 7:42 pm
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       I think most of Peterson's remarks here are germane to the
       discussion you've been having regarding IQ and ethnicity,
       particularly about Jews.
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56UmHs_6Cfs
       I tried to quote several of you regarding this topic but I
       couldn't get the quotes to carry over from previous pages.
       Sorry about that.  This discussion has been very interesting and
       I've looked forward to all of your contributions.  I've been
       getting in firewood every day since being able to walk again
       which leaves me tired and a little goofy.  That isn't really the
       best frame of mind to be in when commenting on intelligence.
       So, I haven't chipped in on the subject until now.  I'm still
       goofy - but I don't want the subject to completely fade.
       I just reviewed what I've written below.  It is more personal
       than I'm completely comfortable with - so if it gets too into
       the self-absorbed and boring I apologize and urge you to skip
       it.  Whatever the censor built into this thing has some odd
       ideas about what is kosher to say.  In one obvious spot I am
       writing about forced sexual activity and in another have had to
       change my reference to a body part.
       For me, it's about character.  All the brainpower in the world
       doesn't make you a good person.  Benjamin Disraeli, Einstein,
       Leonard Bernstein Gershwin, Mendelssohn, Dylan all brilliant
       Jewish minds.  So were Bernie Madoff, Jeffery Epstein and Meyer
       Lansky.  Loeb and Leopold both graduated from college in their
       teens.
       If one is using material success as the sole measure of a
       person's value, then indeed IQ is important.  However, I've
       known good, simple people who are a joy to be around, though
       perhaps not the most intellectually stimulating company.  I've
       also known smart, entertaining, glib people who will rob you
       blind and kill you if you aren't careful.  Intelligence is
       certainly no guarantee of happiness or stability.  We've all
       known brilliant people who are lunatics.  A person, in my
       opinion, needs a good balance of integrity and intelligence to
       bring out the best of both qualities in themselves.  (I say that
       from the outside looking in.) I believe this works in
       communities as well.
       Regarding Jews and stereotypes...
       My perspective is, I believe, unique - at least in this group.
       I was raised in the Jewish faith, but I have no Jewish genetics.
       Zero.
       When I was 3 weeks old I was adopted in a shady arrangement.  My
       adoptive parents were too old (late 40s) to be eligible to adopt
       through an agency.  But the real impediment was that they were a
       "mixed marriage".  My adopted father was an Italian Catholic and
       my mother was Jewish.  At the time this was enough to make
       normal legal adoption impossible. Her brother was an attorney
       who arranged the adoption.  He married a gentile woman who was
       related to my biological mother - that's how he knew about me.
       My adopted father was an immigrant.  He'd come over on the boat
       with his family when he was 5.  He was 5'2'' (I'm 6'2'') and was
       a butcher with an 8th grade education. He'd left the church
       because of abusive priests and my education from him was mostly
       about how to fight, bet the horses and cut meat.  My adoptive
       mother was first generation.  Her people had come from the Pale
       of Settlement in the Ukraine.  Most of her mother's siblings
       were killed by the Cossacks in a pogrom.  So, when they could,
       they left the yeshiva, the shtetls and emigrated.  My adoptive
       mother boldly carried on the family tradition of hyper-drama and
       mental illness.  By the way, much of the non-Jewish genetics
       found in Ashkenazi Jews is the result of rape.  Murder pillage
       and rape - just another Saturday night for the Cossacks.
       We lived in a suburb of Boston in a neighborhood that was about
       50% Jewish.  I didn't fit in.  I was never going to be taken for
       a landsman by the Jews.  I didn't look at all Jewish and the old
       man was a guinea, so I was a goy to them.  To the Irish and
       Yankee kids I was a kike.  As I got older no one wanted me to go
       out with their sister or daughters. Socially awkward without
       many friends, I spent a great deal of time alone reading.  I
       read everything I could get my hands on. I hated school and
       after a while refused to participate.  I hated authority and
       didn't trust any of them.  But I kept reading.  When I was 13 I
       had my bar mitzvah. I left the Jewish faith (and all organized
       religion) at 16 and never looked back.
       My Jewish relatives were of a class of Russian Jews who were
       musicians, show people, gamblers and hustlers.  There wasn't a
       Nobel winner in the whole outfit.  As one example - here is my
       uncle, Ziggy Talent (his real name).  I warn you, it's really
       terrible.
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3jpEpb0uto
       At the time I was growing up, the metro Boston area was the most
       segregated city in the northern US.  It was also among the most
       corrupt.  It was blatant.  The first time I saw the old man pay
       off a cop I was ten years old.  He ran a crummy little store in
       a neighborhood soon to be torn down in an urban renewal project.
       There was no political power there for the residents or
       business owners so the cops put the squeeze on. Irish cops. This
       happened all the time.
       I tell you all this just to point out that I did not lead a
       sheltered life and that has helped to shape my perspective about
       certain ethnic groups, intelligence and integrity.  It may also
       explain why I cheer for the underdog, don't trust authority and
       will take a stand even when scared shitless.  But I also bring
       it up because of how that circumstance affected my own brain and
       my use of it.
       I never believed that I was smart. They had always told me
       otherwise. I had no self-discipline when it came to academics
       and I believed I was inept with tools and had no mechanical
       skills.  So when they tested us for aptitude in high school I
       simply didn't believe the 97% in mechanical engineering score -
       and the others in spatial relations etc. Just didn't accept it.
       I've had three IQ tests in my life.  The first and most
       comprehensive was taken when I was 18.  I scored at 129.  I took
       two more in my 30s and scored in the upper 130s in both - but
       that first one was really more complete.  I never took the SAT.
       There was never a hope of my going to college.  That was for
       smart people with some self discipline.
       I made my living all these years mostly with muscle.  Never
       really participated in school after 9th grade and never trusted
       my brain. I'm mostly an autodidact, it's really obvious in my
       writing.  I have one friend from the old days.  We shared many
       adventures, escapades and capers.  Apparently the folks who knew
       me as a young idiot that he is still in contact with are amazed
       that I am alive and not in prison.  As it happens, I was saved
       by the love of a good woman - but that is a story for another
       time.
       My biological mother's family - mostly German - came to the
       states in the 1840s except for one branch that was here a little
       earlier.   My father's people were French with some Irish and
       Native American mixed in later.  They came down the Mississippi
       when the British defeated the French in Canada.  One of my
       ancestors explored with Champlain.  Two of my mother's other
       children (She had six more) are very bright.  I've never met my
       father's other children and have no intention of doing so.  It's
       complicated.  He had 8 children with his wife and 4 outside of
       marriage with 4 other women including my mother.  At one point
       he had 3 women pregnant at the same time.  He was a lying anus
       itinerant musician.  Smart though.
       When I first contacted my biological mother I was 42.  When I
       got to her house I was astounded at the number of books we both
       owned- several of the same favorite authors.
       Hope this hasn't been too tedious and I hope it has added to the
       conversation.
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       Re: Economy Errata
       By: K-Dog Date: October 1, 2021, 12:48 am
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       That was interesting Digwe Must.
       I like you did not think myself smart when I was young.  Sadly
       it appears most people are a lot dumber than I though they were.
       I am, sad to say, reluctantly smart by default.  To imagine
       others as we imagine ourselves to be is the normal thing.  A
       natural human delusion and a delusion it is.  I wish I was still
       so deluded and that is pure altruism because feeling inferior
       does not feel good.  To wish it on myself so that the world
       would have more clues, I would do.  If it mattered.  But,
       nothing would change.
       I think IQ is all a joke mostly.  Smart people do not function
       at a high level all the time.  For a myriad of reasons smart
       people are dummied down, but human nature only wants to remember
       good moments.  How smart are you when you are sleepy and nodding
       off?  Am I still on the 97th percentile when I am more stoned
       than my usual and natural state of stonedness?
       I think not.
       What do we call a genius when they get depressed and drool.  Are
       they still genius?
       I admit not having the gifts to at least shine bright some of
       the time would really suck but as a stoic IQ has little meaning.
       It is external and subject to whims of fate.  It is good to be
       able to asses your circumstances; but the only people true
       stoics compete against are themselves.  Self improvement is
       something we control.  The central focus of a stoic philosophy
       is to accept what you have no control over.  You concentrate on
       what you can control and that which can't be taken away from
       you.  What you control is yourself, and we have natural ability
       to develop character and skill in thinking.  The natural thing
       is to improve and part of that is paradoxically to only compare
       where you are to where you have been.  What is outside of you
       such as the opinions of others, you can't control.  What you do
       not control is not an appropriate concern.
       I suspect even Goethe had his bad days.
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       Chinese developer misses bond payment as stress spreads beyond E
       vergrande crisis
       By: RE Date: October 5, 2021, 12:18 am
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       The Bond Vigilantes strike!
       Chinese developer misses bond payment as stress spreads beyond
       Evergrande crisis
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       As I suspected,  Evergrande is not the only property developer
       in the deep doo doo in China.  Papering over this mess is likely
       to cost TRILLIONS, not Billions.  Crank up the Printing Press!
       Playing the Long Game doesn't seem to be working out too well
       these days.
       Beijing, we've got a problem.
       Well, several problems, actually.
       RE
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       America Is Choking Under an ‘Everything Shortage’
       By: RE Date: October 7, 2021, 8:30 am
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       We should just MAKE MORE!   hahahahaha.
       America Is Choking Under an ‘Everything Shortage’
  HTML https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/america-is-choking-under-an-everything-shortage/620322/
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       #Post#: 1156--------------------------------------------------
       Trashing the planet and hiding the money isn’t a perversion of c
       apitalism. It is capitalism
       By: RE Date: October 8, 2021, 12:17 am
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       Which problem is worst?  Rank in order of worst to less worse.
       1- Covid
       2- Resource depletion
       3- Capitalism
       4- Supply Chain Breakdown
       5- Climate Change
  HTML https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/06/offshoring-wealth-capitalism-pandora-papers
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       Re: Economy Errata
       By: RE Date: October 12, 2021, 1:46 am
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       No worries.  In 24 hours the Lebanese Army will step in and
       resolve all the problems.  ::)
       Walmart and Costco limit toilet paper sales while toy companies
       warn parents their kids' Christmas gifts won't arrive in time
       thanks to backlog at ports, rail yards and on the roads
       Supply chain problems that have been tormenting retailers
       for months are showing up in America's stores
       Around the country, there are shortages of goods on shelves
       in Target, Costco, Home Depot and Sears
       The issues aren't specific to any one type of good and are
       down to problems with shipping and distribution
       Cargo ships off can't get into overworked ports to drop off
       goods and are hovering off the coast
       There is a global shortage in truck drivers which is
       stalling distribution of goods and railroads are also jammed
       The cost of shipping a single container from China to LA
       reached $20,000 last month - four times what it cost last
       October
       There are fears that some of the backed-up ships at the port
       in L.A. will not be emptied before Black Friday - the biggest
       retail day of the year and the start of the Christmas shopping
       season
       Some retailers are telling people to buy Christmas gifts now
       to ensure they arrive on time
       There is no immediate end in sight: Biden has launched a
       White House supply chain task force but businesses fear the
       problems will stretch on for months yet
       Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell predicts the issues
       will last until next year - which will prolong inflation
  HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10079935/The-shortage-Shelves-bare-delays-deliveries-pharmacies-without-medication.html
       Despite this, other reliable sources tell us the economy is
       strong and demand is robust. Buy your Xmas gifts now, and maybe
       they will be delivered next spring!
       Sense a disconnect from reality here?
       RE
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       Re: Economy Errata
       By: John of Wallan Date: October 12, 2021, 2:49 am
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       [quote author=RE link=topic=60.msg1156#msg1156 date=1633670247]
       Which problem is worst?  Rank in order of worst to less worse.
       1- Covid
       2- Resource depletion
       3- Capitalism
       4- Supply Chain Breakdown
       5- Climate Change
  HTML https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/06/offshoring-wealth-capitalism-pandora-papers
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       [/quote]
       1. Climate change. Its going to screw up the whole planet,
       including us, very badly, quite soon and for ever.
       2. Resource depletion. This will severely restrict the response
       to issue1..
       3. Covid. Short term mayhem which directly leads to 4, with help
       from 2..
       4. Supply chain breakdown. Will restrict ability to do anything
       short term... Will ultimately lead to lower standards of living,
       localisation and return of craftsmanship, acceptable
       destinations, but with a hell of a trip to get there...,
       5. Capitalism. True capitalism requires trust, a functioning
       democracy, and the rule of law. These would not allow
       distortions which stop us responding to 1 and 3, and which cause
       2 and 4. Dont kid yourself, there has been little to no
       capitalism in the west since probably 1945, and definately 1971.
       Capitalism allows some to get rich by helping many do well. What
       we have now is a system that allows very few to get very, very,
       very rich by grinding many into the dirt.
       JOW
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       Re: Economy Errata
       By: RE Date: October 12, 2021, 7:05 am
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       [quote author=John of Wallan link=topic=60.msg1223#msg1223
       date=1634024982]
       [quote author=RE link=topic=60.msg1156#msg1156 date=1633670247]
       Which problem is worst?  Rank in order of worst to less worse.
       1- Covid
       2- Resource depletion
       3- Capitalism
       4- Supply Chain Breakdown
       5- Climate Change
  HTML https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/06/offshoring-wealth-capitalism-pandora-papers
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       [/quote]
       1. Climate change. Its going to screw up the whole planet,
       including us, very badly, quite soon and for ever.
       2. Resource depletion. This will severely restrict the response
       to issue1..
       3. Covid. Short term mayhem which directly leads to 4, with help
       from 2..
       4. Supply chain breakdown. Will restrict ability to do anything
       short term... Will ultimately lead to lower standards of living,
       localisation and return of craftsmanship, acceptable
       destinations, but with a hell of a trip to get there...,
       5. Capitalism. True capitalism requires trust, a functioning
       democracy, and the rule of law. These would not allow
       distortions which stop us responding to 1 and 3, and which cause
       2 and 4. Dont kid yourself, there has been little to no
       capitalism in the west since probably 1945, and definately 1971.
       Capitalism allows some to get rich by helping many do well. What
       we have now is a system that allows very few to get very, very,
       very rich by grinding many into the dirt.
       JOW
       [/quote]
       I disagree.  I put Capitalism first, because it is Capitalism
       that led to Climate Change and Resource Depletion.  Capitalism
       is all about unfettered GREED and Privatizing the Profits while
       you Socialize the Losses.  Capitalists have been moving around
       the globe enslaving people, destroying indigenous lifestyle and
       leaving a path of destruction in their wake since its inception
       in 1692 with the founding of the Bank of England and the British
       and Dutch East India Companies. Theyy will continue to destroy
       the planet, until there is nothing left to wreck.
       Capitalism is the first thing that has to go.  Only after it is
       dead and buried can you address the problems of CC & RD.
       RE
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