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Re: Economy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 26, 2021, 10:43 pm
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[quote]Are you insinuating BG is a closet queer?
RE
[/quote]
How much of this do I have to explain?
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Re: Economy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 26, 2021, 11:05 pm
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[spoiler]
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=60.msg1028#msg1028
date=1632627252]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=60.msg1013#msg1013
date=1632384072]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=60.msg1012#msg1012
date=1632364787]
Richard Feynman's IQ Score Was 'Only' 125. He liked to joke
about it. Steven Hawking said people who concern themselves
with IQ are losers. With 1.3 billion China has a few bright
bulbs. But the cultural revolution was a frontal lobotomy.
[/quote]
Researchers talk about the "East Asian Exception" for Taiwan,
japan, SK, NK and china. This is because their roughly 10+
point average IQ advantage over ours is stable in spite of
malnutrition and nobody knows why. I'm not sure if they have had
free education in all those places for the duration of the
testing, which must be less than about a hundred years as the
Stanford Binet was only developed in WW1. I will bet they have..
To me free education is a huge factor in averages as well as a
culture of competition. Confucianism has been mobility based on
exams for thousands of years. If you don't have free education
or a culture of individualism as acceptable, average IQ is low.
White supremacists who are always talking about being replaced
by low IQ high melanin people display the dunning Kruger effect
that hawking is referring to. Tell them that theres a huge gulf
between rural and urban or college vs high school education.
Tell them Catholic whites such as Irish and Italian were 1SD
below average for as long as they were discriminated against. If
Catholics could close the gap in the 1980s, so can the people
who invented the Arabic numerals used to express the scores. If
you insist IQ is inherent, then farmers and factory workers are
not just as smart as accountants and engineers.
I don't know if China's pollution problem is getting worse or
improving, but they have been living with it for a while and
pump gigalitres of fresh water out of the great lakes and at
least one place here that I'm aware of. That's drinking water,
but if industry needs cleaner water than they have, they can
move, promising hundreds of thousands of jobs to some other
place like we did to them. They're a 5k years continuous
civilization that's had some dark age dynasties, but never a
collapse back to anarchy. If we are going to still have
technology, industry and globalisation in future, they're
definitely exerting the largest gravitational field.
To win more medals they should just poach Kenyan marathon
runners and Jamaican sprinters. This one will defect for free:
HTML https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100475354
[/quote]
The absence of a written language as an explanation for the
lower IQ’s in Africa seems to make sense to me. What do you make
of that explanation?
I always tested well, but then I lived far from town and had
nothing but books to entertain me as a kid, so I read an awful
lot. Not surprisingly, my verbal skills outshined every other
category.
[/quote][/spoiler]
[quote]The absence of a written language as an explanation for
the lower IQ’s in Africa seems to make sense to me. What do you
make of that explanation?[/quote]
That makes sense to me. And now as our culture moves from text
to video,our culture becomes unable to critically think. Not
exactly the same thing, voluntarily stupidity resulting from
giving up a written language is a different thing than not
having one to start with. People from an illiterate culture
learn wisdom in other ways. Oral wisdom, they need it to live.
American voluntary stupidity is different, and caused by high
fructose corn syrup and easy living.
* a personal hobby horse of mine is a belief that video hinders
reflection. Info is taken in 'as is' and not processed in the
same way that written language makes us build ideas from
imagination. The result is less reflection on content with
short term memory loss. And I have enough of that. I'd tell
you what but I forgot.
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Re: Economy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 26, 2021, 11:32 pm
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[quote]While at the same time saying the world is run by a
Jewish conspiracy?[/quote]
Well wham-bam then. It is a good thing they are smart.
Benevolent alien Jewish lizard people as overlords would be an
improvement.
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Re: Economy Errata
By: RE Date: September 27, 2021, 2:17 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=60.msg1031#msg1031
date=1632714238]
[quote]Are you insinuating BG is a closet queer?
RE
[/quote]
How much of this do I have to explain?
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[/quote]
BG has a cute young Japanese mistress with a low IQ who likes to
suck on heart shaped lollipops?
RE
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Re: Economy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: September 27, 2021, 6:08 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=60.msg1029#msg1029 date=1632648665]
Sigh.
PP is obsessed with IQ, and more broadly that it is important
whether a group of people such as the Chinese or Jews are on
average more *intelligent*, at least as this attribute is
measured by IQ. He completely ignores my posting on the topic,
because it does not synch with his theoretical model. It does
not compute, so to speak.
I have been through this **** pile so many times in so many ways
I can't even count them all. I've been tested a zillion times
with almost as many test types. I designed test questions for
The Princeton Review. I've met super high IQ people, medium
high, average and complete idiots too. I have endlessly become
embroiled in this debate across the internet for years.Idiots
swamp out geniuses in any society, to begin with.
Practically speaking, as Eddie mentions, literacy is the NUMERO
UNO thing in testing for IQ. It's not just hat the questions
often reqire good reading, it's that the INSTRUCTIONS for
approaching the problem require this too/ You can do some IQ
tests all verbal, but they re not well standardized.
How do I KNOW William F Buckley Jr was kick ass smart? Because
he had an absolutely astouding vocabulary. He could use the
most abstract and uncommon words in a sentence while speaking
off the cuff and not even pausing, and he always used them
correctly. Which means he also had a terrific memory, but that
is not exactly the same as high iQ, which should ideally
measyure how good you are at solving problems.
WFB however is a real good example of someone outrageously smart
who was also a complete idiot. He drew conclusions that were
totally self-serving to his own political POV. In science you
often get the problem of really smart folks who are completely
amoral, all they care about is solving a particular problem and
could give a **** about the consequences.
When you talk about Politics, you get into a Popularity contest.
Why do you think we get Actors as politicians, like Reagan and
Schwartzenegger?
Far as the numerical scale is concerned, no number over 160 is
valid, because there aren't enough people around to standardize
a test for that. An example of this problem would be the IOWA
Tests I took in elementary school. According to my results, I
had "college level" reading and math skills, but I really did
not, at least in math at that time. I simply outscored what the
test was designed to measure, which was through high school.
In the final analysis, it just doesn't really matter on the
social level how smart or stupid the population happens to be.
You could easily make the case it is WORSE to be smart, since
when smart people screw up, they do so BIG TIME. Just ask J.
Robert Oppenheimer.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40htk9JqlB8
RE
[/quote]
I did not ignore your posts, I was still typing when you posted.
I addressed the china toast question but did not mention in
that, their roughly ten point advantage in IQ over the US (who
are now 2 points below world average). You then said "on
brainpower, they are pretty smart, but still don't have an
Einstein, Feynman, Heysenberg, Newton, Oppenheimer and others".
It is you who brought up intelligence in response to me talking
about a focus on mastery of music WITHOUT any special aptitude
for it. I had mentioned Einstein's own observations of their
being "industrious" and concern they would 'come to supplant all
other races'.
KD then responded about Feynmans IQ. I think it was lost on you
that all but one of the geniuses you cited were Jews. It was
also yourself that mentioned Jews being persecuted but still
topping scores on things in Stuyvesant etc. This was in response
to a point I made that Catholics such as Italian and Irish were
1SD below average as long as they were discriminated against.
That was in giving reasons why Hawking was CORRECT in saying
"people who concern themselves with IQ are losers. I just have a
lot more to say on the topic because I draw on the body of
research more.
That means you might not have covered everything in debating
about your own experience as a wiz kid. I see a number of
interpretations you may be unaware of. Understanding precocious,
prodigy and savant for a start.
When I responded to BJ about EI talking about myself, that's
essentially savant which is mostly in autism. I'm still pissed
off now that I skipped two years of school and started high
school at 11. My Ravens progressive matrices score from army
recruiting was 95th percentile. They told me that when they
tried to steer me into communications unit. When I learned to
use the Weschler myself, the supervisor said the best way to
learn about it is take it yourself. He administered it and I sat
it. 130, 95th percentile again. For every hundred people I meet,
5 are as intelligent or more. Excluding any extreme outliers, in
this company I'm average.
Of course there is global or g factor and also specific
aptitudes with wide variance. What I believe is a lot more
unusual and you will not find in 5% of everyone, is watching the
news every day, still in primary school. I followed the Iranian
hostage crisis every day when I was still a single digit. That
was not because I couldn't change the channel, I watched alone.
I think that hyperfocus is at the expense of EI, so essentially
savant, meaning also having disability.
For your own curse, first question is whether you were a child
prodigy, meaning attaining an adult level of competence in a
skill. That doesn't always mean becoming an adult genius, as
everyone else catches up. Then there is precocity, not to be
confused with also meaning early onset puberty. That should be
fairly stable, but not when you take into consideration that the
tests are scaled for age. We slow down and might even run out of
gas thinking. KD forgot he even had a test to take. Speaking for
myself at least, it feels like lifestyle factors and stress have
hurt more than usual. Thankfully we have the concept of
crystallized intelligence to fall back on.
The eugenics question should be put to the eugenecist BG. He
agrees there are too few resources for homo sap.
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Re: Economy Errata
By: RE Date: September 27, 2021, 6:51 pm
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=60.msg1037#msg1037
date=1632784133]
I did not ignore your posts, I was still typing when you posted.
I addressed the china toast question but did not mention in
that, their roughly ten point advantage in IQ over the US (who
are now 2 points below world average). You then said "on
brainpower, they are pretty smart, but still don't have an
Einstein, Feynman, Heysenberg, Newton, Oppenheimer and others".
It is you who brought up intelligence in response to me talking
about a focus on mastery of music WITHOUT any special aptitude
for it. I had mentioned Einstein's own observations of their
being "industrious" and concern they would 'come to supplant all
other races'.
KD then responded about Feynmans IQ. I think it was lost on you
that all but one of the geniuses you cited were Jews. It was
also yourself that mentioned Jews being persecuted but still
topping scores on things in Stuyvesant etc. This was in response
to a point I made that Catholics such as Italian and Irish were
1SD below average as long as they were discriminated against.
That was in giving reasons why Hawking was CORRECT in saying
"people who concern themselves with IQ are losers. I just have a
lot more to say on the topic because I draw on the body of
research more.
That means you might not have covered it every which way in
talking about your own experience as a wiz kid. I see a number
of interpretations you may be unaware of. Understanding
precocious, prodigy and savant for a start.
When I responded to BJ about EI talking about myself, that's
essentially savant which is mostly in autism. I'm still pissed
off now that I skipped two years of school and started high
school age 11. I wont get side tracked on that now though. My
Ravens progressive matrices score from army recruiting was 95th
percentile. They told me that when they tried to steer me into
communications unit. When I learned to use the Weschler myself,
the supervisor said the best way to learn about it is take it
yourself. He administered it and I sat it. 130, 95th percentile
again. For every hundred people I meet, 5 are as intelligent or
more. Excluding any extreme outliers, in this company I'm
average.
Of course there is global or g factor and also specific
aptitudes with wide variance. What I believe is a lot more
unusual and you will not find in 5% of everyone, is watching the
news every day, still in primary school. I followed the Iranian
hostage crisis every day when I was still a single digit. That
was not because I couldn't change the channel, I watched alone.
I think that hyperfocus is at the expense of EI, so essentially
savant, meaning also having disability.
For your own curse, first question is whether you were a child
prodigy, meaning attaining an adult level of competence in a
skill. That doesn't always mean becoming an adult genius, as
everyone else catches up. Then there is precocity, not to be
confused with also meaning early onset puberty. That should be
fairly stable, but not when you take into consideration that the
tests are scaled for age. We slow down and might even run out of
gas thinking. KD forgot he even had a test to take. Speaking for
myself at least, it feels like lifestyle factors and stress have
hurt more than usual.
[/quote]
The main point of both posts is that how *intelligent* people
may or may not be is quite irrelevant to the human condition on
a social level. Chinese might have a 10 pt advantage as a
statistical group, but they are still in the same energy pickle
as everyone else, and apparently ahead in crashing on that
level.
Jews may be on average smarter than Italians, but they are still
stuck with Israel, surrounded by Arabs who despise them. I
cannot see how being smart helps with that problem.
I named mainly Jews as examples just as anecdotal evidence they
are as a culture more literate, again returning to the idea that
literacy is the main arbiter in IQ testing. Italians have had
plenty of smart folks too, Galileo was Italian. Newton was a
Brit. Leinbniz was a Kraut. What of it? I cannot name a
single Chinese who made the kind of breakthroughs they did,
although the Chinese certainly have some fabulous
mathematicians. They seem to lack in creativity however on a
statistical level.
For myself, yes I was a Child Prodigy, identified as such in the
4th grade when I returned from Brazil. Made my life quite
miserable for 3 straight years until I said no more. The
experience made me quite negative about all the focus on
intelligence as an attribute, particularly as measured by IQ.
It's a gift, like being tall is a gift for playing basketball.
But the fact you can play good basketball doesn't mean you will
be a great Political Leader, now does it?
I did not out score every test ever given to me, but I did
outscore many. By these measures, I am quite sure I am smarter
than the next 1000 people waiting for the train. I am still
getting on the same train though with all the idiots, because I
have nowhere else to go. On the social level, being smart just
doesn't matter very much. Group intelligence is always at the
lowest common denominator, which is quite low in all cultures.
There are 1.3B Chinese, and 1.2B of them are idiots.
So it goes.
RE
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Re: Economy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 27, 2021, 7:57 pm
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HTML https://youtu.be/uI5LsMalZ7M
One measure is how much you play dumb. This is wise advice and
I agree. But following this advice blindly will cause you to
miss opportunities. How will others find you if you appear
dumb? A secret code? How can you find a niche in life that
won't bore you to tears. You need that part. You know you are
going mad without it. It is lonely out there. The only leaf at
the end of a long thick tree branch.
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Re: Economy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: September 27, 2021, 8:48 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=60.msg1038#msg1038 date=1632786669]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=60.msg1037#msg1037
date=1632784133]
I did not ignore your posts, I was still typing when you posted.
I addressed the china toast question but did not mention in
that, their roughly ten point advantage in IQ over the US (who
are now 2 points below world average). You then said "on
brainpower, they are pretty smart, but still don't have an
Einstein, Feynman, Heysenberg, Newton, Oppenheimer and others".
It is you who brought up intelligence in response to me talking
about a focus on mastery of music WITHOUT any special aptitude
for it. I had mentioned Einstein's own observations of their
being "industrious" and concern they would 'come to supplant all
other races'.
KD then responded about Feynmans IQ. I think it was lost on you
that all but one of the geniuses you cited were Jews. It was
also yourself that mentioned Jews being persecuted but still
topping scores on things in Stuyvesant etc. This was in response
to a point I made that Catholics such as Italian and Irish were
1SD below average as long as they were discriminated against.
That was in giving reasons why Hawking was CORRECT in saying
"people who concern themselves with IQ are losers. I just have a
lot more to say on the topic because I draw on the body of
research more.
That means you might not have covered it every which way in
talking about your own experience as a wiz kid. I see a number
of interpretations you may be unaware of. Understanding
precocious, prodigy and savant for a start.
When I responded to BJ about EI talking about myself, that's
essentially savant which is mostly in autism. I'm still pissed
off now that I skipped two years of school and started high
school age 11. I wont get side tracked on that now though. My
Ravens progressive matrices score from army recruiting was 95th
percentile. They told me that when they tried to steer me into
communications unit. When I learned to use the Weschler myself,
the supervisor said the best way to learn about it is take it
yourself. He administered it and I sat it. 130, 95th percentile
again. For every hundred people I meet, 5 are as intelligent or
more. Excluding any extreme outliers, in this company I'm
average.
Of course there is global or g factor and also specific
aptitudes with wide variance. What I believe is a lot more
unusual and you will not find in 5% of everyone, is watching the
news every day, still in primary school. I followed the Iranian
hostage crisis every day when I was still a single digit. That
was not because I couldn't change the channel, I watched alone.
I think that hyperfocus is at the expense of EI, so essentially
savant, meaning also having disability.
For your own curse, first question is whether you were a child
prodigy, meaning attaining an adult level of competence in a
skill. That doesn't always mean becoming an adult genius, as
everyone else catches up. Then there is precocity, not to be
confused with also meaning early onset puberty. That should be
fairly stable, but not when you take into consideration that the
tests are scaled for age. We slow down and might even run out of
gas thinking. KD forgot he even had a test to take. Speaking for
myself at least, it feels like lifestyle factors and stress have
hurt more than usual.
[/quote]
The main point of both posts is that how *intelligent* people
may or may not be is quite irrelevant to the human condition on
a social level. Chinese might have a 10 pt advantage as a
statistical group, but they are still in the same energy pickle
as everyone else, and apparently ahead in crashing on that
level.
Jews may be on average smarter than Italians, but they are still
stuck with Israel, surrounded by Arabs who despise them. I
cannot see how being smart helps with that problem.
I named mainly Jews as examples just as anecdotal evidence they
are as a culture more literate, again returning to the idea that
literacy is the main arbiter in IQ testing. Italians have had
plenty of smart folks too, Galileo was Italian. Newton was a
Brit. Leinbniz was a Kraut. What of it? I cannot name a
single Chinese who made the kind of breakthroughs they did,
although the Chinese certainly have some fabulous
mathematicians. They seem to lack in creativity however on a
statistical level.
For myself, yes I was a Child Prodigy, identified as such in the
4th grade when I returned from Brazil. Made my life quite
miserable for 3 straight years until I said no more. The
experience made me quite negative about all the focus on
intelligence as an attribute, particularly as measured by IQ.
It's a gift, like being tall is a gift for playing basketball.
But the fact you can play good basketball doesn't mean you will
be a great Political Leader, now does it?
I did not out score every test ever given to me, but I did
outscore many. By these measures, I am quite sure I am smarter
than the next 1000 people waiting for the train. I am still
getting on the same train though with all the idiots, because I
have nowhere else to go. On the social level, being smart just
doesn't matter very much. Group intelligence is always at the
lowest common denominator, which is quite low in all cultures.
There are 1.3B Chinese, and 1.2B of them are idiots.
So it goes.
RE
[/quote]
Israel and Italy are quite close, 92 and 96. I'm floating two
theories. One is that the Italians and Irish in the US and Oz
ate better than the Irish famine refugees so malnutrition can't
be blamed for them previously being 1SD, 15 points lower than
the national average. I say it was discrimination and low
expectations and the same effect applies to a lot of other
peoples. I'm also saying the people in Israel were the ones who
got on the train, the smart ones went to the US by paying better
attention to Hitler. That was just one round of natural
selection.
We are sort of in agreement on the social group being only as
smart as lowest common denominator. This is my point on being
smarter being of no use if you are depending on other people.
You're thinking of not influencing the whole country, I'm saying
you can't even influence a few people in your immediate circle
until they can see things themselves
#Post#: 1041--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 28, 2021, 7:05 am
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[quote]We are sort of in agreement on the social group being
only as smart as lowest common denominator. This is my point on
being smarter being of no use if you are depending on other
people. You're thinking of not influencing the whole country,
I'm saying you can't even influence a few people in your
immediate circle until they can see things themselves[/quote]
As evidenced by the COVID crisis. There are a whole lot of
people sucking up air who have trouble with anything but the
most simple of binary decisions. Mention Bayes theorem and they
don't even say "What's that?" They go straight to you are a
freedom hating ****. The murdering bastards.
Such people (one I know has a climate change you-tube channel)
will guarantee our extinction. Every day I see this confirmed.
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We have freedom fighters who are holding child hill and they
won't let anyone pass. Nobody is getting to (4).
The tragic thing is some stupid take other stupid as personal
idols. They flock together like a plague of locusts.
#Post#: 1042--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: RE Date: September 28, 2021, 7:58 am
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Who you can influence and whether they are smart enough to grasp
the problems we have also does not matter. This because it is
an insoluble problem, even for geniuses wh acknowledge the
problem exists.
The problem is: How do you support 7.5B Homo Saps on Planet
Earth without FFs? Answer is: YOU CAN"T!
If you had asked me this question in 1970, I probably would have
responded: That's EZ. Fusion Power! Doc Brown's Mr. Fusion
powering every Flying Delorean on the block. Half a century
later, still no Fusion Power anywhere on the horizon. It's not
gonna get here on time, if it ever gets here at all.
Powereing down? Sorry, you can't have 7.5B Amish people on the
Planet either. You would need too many hoses, for a starter.
Then you have climate change, depleted aquifers & topsoil, etc.
The only "solution" which is not a solution is DEAD People Lots
of them. That resolves all the issues, but not the problem I
stated of keeping 7.5B people still above ground.
How many dead people do we need? That is open to conjecture,
but I think a 90% die off is a conservative estimate. When will
it start? Whenever it does, we won't know it for at least a
decade Well, if there is a global famine we might find out a
bit faster. In Europe, the energy shortage is already screwing
with food production and distribution. I'm sure this is true in
China as well. The Chinese have suspended the 2 child policy.
Why do you think that is? They would not do that if their
population was still growing.
Far as Covid is concerned, after nearly 2 years of various
levels of restrictions and lockdowns, people are just plain
tired of sitting home and playing on the Xbox. Wearing masks
all the time is uncomfortable, looks ridiculous and you can't
eat with a mask on anyhow.Getting Vaxxed is probably a good idea
on average, but some people do have bad reactions to it. They
also don't trust Da Goobermint or PharmaCos, for good reason.
Personally, I think we should just let Covid run its course, and
whoever dies, dies. Karma, right? We need a population
reduction anyhow, and it will come one way or the other. Get
vaxxed or don't, your choice. At least here, at least we have
lost a few right wing talk jockeys, so that is a good result. :)
RE
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