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#Post#: 880--------------------------------------------------
Economy Errata
By: RE Date: September 8, 2021, 3:09 pm
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"Now, why won't they work?"
Job openings reach historic high of almost 11 million. Why are 9
million still jobless?
HTML https://www.cbsnews.com/news/job-openings-jolts-report-11-million/
Because a $10/hr job is no better than a $0/hr no job, as long
as you have food to eat and a roof over your head. SNAP cards
are still being dished out and most people can find somebody to
couch surf with. Granma on SS is a common choice these days.
Also in 2-parent working families, it never really paid for the
mom to go to work for low wages. By the time you pay for child
care, all the earnings are spent anyhow.
This is sort of a modern equivalent of a Slave Revolt. With no
real hope of getting ahead, the slaves just say F*CK IT and
don't bother working.
RE
#Post#: 881--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: September 8, 2021, 5:03 pm
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I agree, underemployment does not get people ahead making
progress, just barely surviving. I mentioned last week about the
zoom call with business manager and regional psych service
manager of The better health generation (just a giant locum
provider of registered health care professionals, so irony
there). Zoom meeting was on providing some ideas on the psych
intervention for the disability and long term unemployed in the
Back2Work program. After that meeting I went and caught up with
a friend who supervises the people working directly with the
jobseekers, he spent a few years doing the direct work himself.
He said 80% don't want to work. I said I don't think so,
probably 20% at most. When he elaborated that the people don't
want to take whatever is offered and want to do what they want
in a 'good job', I asked what was an eg of something they turn
down. Farm work harvesting. So that is absolute lowest industry
award, long travel and fuel cost where to farms where there is
no public transport and just casual as needed, maybe a few days
or a few weeks out in the field. If the day is cut short by rain
or other reason it was not worth going.
Pressing further, there are plenty of other casual jobs where
even if conditions are better, the on call as needed nature
makes it not worth it either. Employers say the hours will
probably be close to full time, but it turns out that is only
occasionally and they keep extra capacity on the books for very
busy days only. We just had a big strike by truck drivers hired
by the largest transport company Toll group over casual
contracts and hours. I've heard the problem is huge in
construction. The concreting contractor needs far less crew to
do a driveway of a house than an industrial job so many are only
called as needed. The same then flows on to the cement trucks,
drivers of extra trucks on the big jobs have hours up and down
from week to week.
They also can just not be called back at any time if they screw
up once and who doesn't, wheras a full time hire needs at least
two warnings.
So this is behind his clarification that they "want a good job
straight away".
#Post#: 882--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: September 8, 2021, 6:16 pm
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The Social Democratic government stated in the proposal, 'if you
come to Denmark, you have to work and support yourself and your
family'
Complete lack of understanding that for Muslims, supporting
family is solely a man's responsibility. Any income a woman
makes is for her to spend on herself. For Sunni who have no real
distinction between employee and slave as there were no wages
when the Koran was written, govt job and govt social security
are both acceptable, along with being in business. Drug dealing
is actually more honourable than working at Walmart. Govt job is
viewed as an extension of being an extended royal family and
graft with doing very little work is the culture. Social
security is then no shame in that framework and as long as the
account payments go into is in a man's name, the woman's name
with the children on the application does not make it her money
to do with as she pleases.
Also note at the end of article it says most jobs available are
4-10 hrs a week. Probably things like an extra hand behind the
counter or in the kitchen over the lunch
rush. Imagine the prolific breeding Muslim woman getting the
breast milk into a bottle and bringing the baby to a sitter, so
they can get dressed up and go from suburbs to city or
industrial area, for 1-2 hrs work and then back in time to
collect other kids from school. Not worth the bother.
HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9969873/Denmark-proposes-making-migrants-work-37-hours-week-earn-welfare-benefits.html
#Post#: 883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 8, 2021, 6:42 pm
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[quote]Workers are saying “enough.” If bosses won’t pay a living
wage and respect their workers’ health and safety, people who’ve
gutted it out through a year of terror and watching their loved
ones get sick and die may not be so willing to come
crawling.[/quote]
COVID exposes the nature of our exploitative society. People
are getting angry now because we still do not have our ****
together. If people start getting smart, boiled billionaire
will be a thing.
#Post#: 884--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: RE Date: September 8, 2021, 7:53 pm
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=60.msg881#msg881
date=1631138613]
I agree, underemployment does not get people ahead making
progress, just barely surviving. I mentioned last week about the
zoom call with business manager and regional psych service
manager of The better health generation (just a giant locum
provider of registered health care professionals, so irony
there). Zoom meeting was on providing some ideas on the psych
intervention for the disability and long term unemployed in the
Back2Work program. After that meeting I went and caught up with
a friend who supervises the people working directly with the
jobseekers, he spent a few years doing the direct work himself.
He said 80% don't want to work. I said I don't think so,
probably 20% at most. When he elaborated that the people don't
want to take whatever is offered and want to do what they want
in a 'good job', I asked what was an eg of something they turn
down. Farm work harvesting. So that is absolute lowest industry
award, long travel and fuel cost where to farms where there is
no public transport and just casual as needed, maybe a few days
or a few weeks out in the field. If the day is cut short by rain
or other reason it was not worth going.
Pressing further, there are plenty of other casual jobs where
even if conditions are better, the on call as needed nature
makes it not worth it either. Employers say the hours will
probably be close to full time, but it turns out that is only
occasionally and they keep extra capacity on the books for very
busy days only. We just had a big strike by truck drivers hired
by the largest transport company Toll group over casual
contracts and hours. I've heard the problem is huge in
construction. The concreting contractor needs far less crew to
do a driveway of a house than an industrial job so many are only
called as needed. The same then flows on to the cement trucks,
drivers of extra trucks on the big jobs have hours up and down
from week to week.
They also can just not be called back at any time if they screw
up once and who doesn't, wheras a full time hire needs at least
two warnings.
So this is behind his clarification that they "want a good job
straight away".
[/quote]
I would like to know how many of those 11M available jobs pay
better than $15/hr? a "good job" should allow you to lead a
"good life" The jobs they offer allow you to live a sh*t life,
therefore they are sh*t jobs. I certainly would not go off SS
for anything less than $40/hr. It just wouldn't be worth it.
It costs on average about $60K/yr to keep somebody in prison,
similar to keep old folks in Assisted Care Gulags. That is an
absolute MINIMUM a working person should be paid to do ANY job
at all.
RE
#Post#: 886--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: Cam Date: September 8, 2021, 9:11 pm
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I keep getting reminded how lucky I am to be in the situation
I'm in. Still living at home, soon to be working part time again
at the grocery store, taking a welding program at the local
college. The big thing for me is not having rent to pay. Even
for a single room in a student rental is $550 per month! I do
feel for the folks who do not have the option to live with
family, for whatever reason. Even with all my cheap ways it
would still be far harder to get by when paying rent or a
mortgage. One of my friends is building a tiny house with her
boyfriend on his parents' property. It's the gen z version of a
starter home, lol. My family got talking about how rough things
are for the younger generation, and I just mentioned that one of
the best things anyone can do is lower expectations (thanks c5).
And not in the "oh life is gonna be shitty anyways why even try"
sort of way but realizing that you might not be living the same
lifestyle your parents or grandparents did - and that is fine!
The things that make us happy haven't changed I don't think -
meaning, a sense of community, etc. Fortunately those do not
need to cost a lot to acquire. You don't need the big house and
3 cars to achieve it. As NF says I think if one sticks to living
at or below one's means you can still get by. It just won't be
quite as easy as it once was.
#Post#: 887--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: RE Date: September 9, 2021, 1:10 am
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[quote author=Cam link=topic=60.msg886#msg886 date=1631153504]
I keep getting reminded how lucky I am to be in the situation
I'm in. Still living at home, soon to be working part time again
at the grocery store, taking a welding program at the local
college. The big thing for me is not having rent to pay. Even
for a single room in a student rental is $550 per month! I do
feel for the folks who do not have the option to live with
family, for whatever reason. Even with all my cheap ways it
would still be far harder to get by when paying rent or a
mortgage. One of my friends is building a tiny house with her
boyfriend on his parents' property. It's the gen z version of a
starter home, lol. My family got talking about how rough things
are for the younger generation, and I just mentioned that one of
the best things anyone can do is lower expectations (thanks c5).
And not in the "oh life is gonna be shitty anyways why even try"
sort of way but realizing that you might not be living the same
lifestyle your parents or grandparents did - and that is fine!
The things that make us happy haven't changed I don't think -
meaning, a sense of community, etc. Fortunately those do not
need to cost a lot to acquire. You don't need the big house and
3 cars to achieve it. As NF says I think if one sticks to living
at or below one's means you can still get by. It just won't be
quite as easy as it once was.
[/quote]
In the grocery today I ran into the young guy who moved in next
door to my old apt after the prior neighbor committed suicide.
Prior to Covid he worked as a chef in one of the bars in Palmer.
We made a Pizza video together. Also a dinner video chatting.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESESlw9VWSI
He was a good cook. Now stacking the shelves.
RE
#Post#: 894--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: September 9, 2021, 4:08 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=60.msg892#msg892
date=1631191111]
[quote author=RE link=topic=60.msg887#msg887 date=1631167808]
He was a good cook. Now stacking the shelves.
RE
[/quote]
What happened to the cook job? He get laid off during Covid?
[/quote]
He says that in the vid, but did he get his stimy yet? More
pertinent is wtf was the woman wanting refilled?
#Post#: 895--------------------------------------------------
Re: Economy Errata
By: RE Date: September 9, 2021, 5:21 pm
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He probably eventually got it. I got 1 of mine, still missing
later ones. No idea about the woman.
RE
#Post#: 973--------------------------------------------------
‘China’s Lehman Brothers moment’: Evergrande crisis rattles econ
omy
By: RE Date: September 18, 2021, 12:59 pm
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This could prove interesting.
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/17/chinas-lehman-brothers-moment-evergrande-crisis-rattles-economy
‘China’s Lehman Brothers moment’: Evergrande crisis rattles
economy
RE
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