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‘We’ve never seen this before’: Salmon collapse sends Alaskans o
n Lower Yukon scrambling for scarce alternatives
By: RE Date: September 6, 2021, 4:16 am
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Not looking too good this winter for the Subsistence Fishing
villages up here on the Last Great Frontier.
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‘We’ve never seen this before’: Salmon collapse sends Alaskans
on Lower Yukon scrambling for scarce alternatives
Interesting also what the "subsistence" H-G Lifestyle demands
these days from the Industrial Economy:
Being a successful provider requires cash for boats,
four-wheelers, snowmachines, gasoline and all the equipment and
tools that are part of subsistence. For many here, that means
bursts of seasonal work either catching salmon to sell or
working at the local processing plant.
They'll likely survive one winter living on canned SPAM and
Potato Chips, but another summer or two with Salmon runs this
poor and those villages will empty out as fast as the gas tanks
in NOLA.
Same is true I suspect for most small farming communities and
Doomsteads. They all depend on the tools, spare parts and GAS
coming in from Industrial Civilization to keep running.
I think the best plan left is a 10 year supply of Freeze Dried
Mountain House foods and an underground concrete bunker to keep
out the Zombies. When you emerge, there should be plenty of
wildlife around to start living H-G again.
RE
#Post#: 871--------------------------------------------------
Re: ‘We’ve never seen this before’: Salmon collapse sends Alaska
ns on Lower Yukon scrambling for scarce alternatives
By: Nearings fault Date: September 6, 2021, 10:31 am
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It reminds me of what happened to the small scale "subsistence"
operations here in the 1950's and 60's according to my
grandfather. The plan was you worked a subsistence stand of
maple trees, cut some firewood, tended your animals, planted and
harvested your crops all for food or barter. Come winter you
went to the logging camps to make actual money to buy everything
else.
#Post#: 872--------------------------------------------------
Re: ‘We’ve never seen this before’: Salmon collapse sends Alaska
ns on Lower Yukon scrambling for scarce alternatives
By: RE Date: September 6, 2021, 2:03 pm
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[quote author=Nearings fault link=topic=57.msg871#msg871
date=1630942260]
It reminds me of what happened to the small scale "subsistence"
operations here in the 1950's and 60's according to my
grandfather. The plan was you worked a subsistence stand of
maple trees, cut some firewood, tended your animals, planted and
harvested your crops all for food or barter. Come winter you
went to the logging camps to make actual money to buy everything
else.
[/quote]
In those years at least the Maple Trees didn't run out of sap or
burn down. Also, farming here in those neighborhoods is limited
due to poor soil and the short growing season. Finally, if the
Commercial canning plants don't have fish either, no way to make
some FRNs during the winter.
The underlying unsustainability though is how dependent these
communities are on industrial society for the things they need
to even DO subsistence fishing. Nobody builds Kayaks out of
Whalebone and Sealskin anymore. All the Aluminum boats are
shipped in. They don't paddle them, they rely on motors that
need GAS. If they go Moose hunting, they drive 200 miles with a
4-wheeler in tow. They need Ammo too of course, and no matter
how expensive that is where you are, it costs triple that up
there.
The one thing these folks had in the industrial era to trade
with was FISH. Not enough fish, those communities are finished.
RE
#Post#: 874--------------------------------------------------
Re: ‘We’ve never seen this before’: Salmon collapse sends Alaska
ns on Lower Yukon scrambling for scarce alternatives
By: Nearings fault Date: September 6, 2021, 3:32 pm
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In their current version I would say yes they are finished. Some
will adapt it's what we do.
#Post#: 875--------------------------------------------------
Re: ‘We’ve never seen this before’: Salmon collapse sends Alaska
ns on Lower Yukon scrambling for scarce alternatives
By: RE Date: September 6, 2021, 4:05 pm
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[quote author=Nearings fault link=topic=57.msg874#msg874
date=1630960364]
In their current version I would say yes they are finished. Some
will adapt it's what we do.
[/quote]
The most likely adaptation is likely to be leaving and going on
Goobermint assistance in Anchorage. Only once that fails will
they try to make Sealskin Kayaks again. That is if there are
enough Seals left to do that with.
RE
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Re: ‘We’ve never seen this before’: Salmon collapse sends Alaska
ns on Lower Yukon scrambling for scarce alternatives
By: Nearings fault Date: September 6, 2021, 5:05 pm
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Newfoundland had the cod fisheries which collapsed from massive
overfishing and commercial operations. Some of it has come back
with old-school line and jig. Lower tech level just enough for
local consumption it's just a matter of getting rid of the
hoovers of the sea commercial rigs.
#Post#: 879--------------------------------------------------
Re: ‘We’ve never seen this before’: Salmon collapse sends Alaska
ns on Lower Yukon scrambling for scarce alternatives
By: RE Date: September 6, 2021, 8:05 pm
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[quote author=Nearings fault link=topic=57.msg877#msg877
date=1630965922]
Newfoundland had the cod fisheries which collapsed from massive
overfishing and commercial operations. Some of it has come back
with old-school line and jig. Lower tech level just enough for
local consumption it's just a matter of getting rid of the
hoovers of the sea commercial rigs.
[/quote]
Over-fishing is certainly one component, but rising ocean heat
content and acidity also likely play a part as well. Fish
management is pretty serious up here and they do shut down
commercial fishing when the numbers drop too low.
Subsistence is definitely the way to go long term, but you have
to do it the old-fashion way, without the inputs from Industrial
Civilization. Going the Full Primitive as I used to call it.
"Rewilding" was the more commonly used term.
The main trick is being able to survive the transition during
which time most people will die off. Cannibalism is one
solution to that problem of course.
People
People who eat People
Are the luckiest
People in the world
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RE
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