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Re: Energy Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: August 17, 2021, 4:49 pm
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Re: Energy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: August 17, 2021, 5:34 pm
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The scenario where we run out is when society collapses so much
we cant sink pipe seven miles under the ocean to get the last
stuff. When fracking yield falls so much people can't be fed,
then it is over. Feedbacks of collapse will kick in making a
technical society able to process oil impossible.
Colin Campbell once said that in the year 2100 somebody will be
pumping oil somewhere. Maybe so, but not from a well they are
able to drill because the infrastructure to get the last drops
is long gone by then. Look at how supply chains have been
screwed up by COVID. Things will only get worse.
If the rest is so hard to get you can't get it anymore, it is
gone. All we need is enough collapse so you don't get Fritos.
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Once that happens the world runs out of spare parts and
everything breaks.
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Re: Energy Errata
By: RE Date: August 17, 2021, 7:41 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=49.msg749#msg749 date=1629239682]
The scenario where we run out is when society collapses so much
we cant sink pipe seven miles under the ocean to get the last
stuff.
[/quote]
The energy cost to pump up from that deep would be more than the
pumped oil would contain. Negative EROEI. It's a non-starter.
RE
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Re: Energy Errata
By: RE Date: August 17, 2021, 11:58 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=49.msg754#msg754
date=1629259360]
[quote author=RE link=topic=49.msg750#msg750 date=1629247319]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=49.msg749#msg749 date=1629239682]
The scenario where we run out is when society collapses so much
we cant sink pipe seven miles under the ocean to get the last
stuff.
[/quote]
The energy cost to pump up from that deep would be more than the
pumped oil would contain. Negative EROEI. It's a non-starter.
RE
[/quote]
Upon any energy being invested in a process, the starting point
eroei would be 0 / something >0, which is eroei =0
In order for eroei to be <0, energy would need to be invested to
cause energy to be destroyed or lost rather than returned. I'm
not sure how the logic of this one works. Less energy returned
than invested would give an eroei between 0 and 1, which would
signify a net loss. Not sure what an eroei<0 might be caused by?
As far as where the final dregs of oil that will be produced on
this planet are located, they aren't in deep water at all. They
will probably be located in relatively shallow extra heavy
deposits in Venezuela, or being mined or steamed out of the
ground in Alberta Canada.
[/quote]
You are looking at it as a fraction rather than a subtraction
problem.
Let's say you have a deep well, and to pump up the oil you are
using still available Natural Gas. In order to pump up 90 BTUs
of Oil, it takes 100 BTUs of NG. As a fraction, that is .9
EROEI, <1. As a subtraction, you are -10 BTUs for the process.
It cost you more in Energy than you got back. You are saying
the same thing in both cases, just using a different math
function to express it.
RE
#Post#: 859--------------------------------------------------
Ida hits Big Oil
By: RE Date: September 2, 2021, 4:05 am
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Ida made a direct hit on Port Fouchon and reports are just
starting to filter in from rigs and refineries in the
neighborhood of spill, including a miles-long slick from one rig
in the GoM. Sounds like the DeepWater Horizon Deja Vu all over
again.
The oil companies are currently clammed up trying to do spin
control and lot of spots remain "unreachable", which is kind of
hard to believe since they all have Choppers.
Meanwhile power and communications remain out in most of NOLA,
and NYC has Sandy-level flooding in the Subways. Even without
Levee failures, Ida may cost more to clean up than Katrina.
Time to REBUILD to maintain our style of living! Disaster
Capitalism at work!
RE
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Re: Energy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 3, 2021, 1:43 am
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Hurricanes did not degenerate into storms that cross the whole
continent before this. Ida in New Jersey.
I'd be careful buying a used car from here on out!
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Re: Energy Errata
By: RE Date: September 3, 2021, 2:48 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=49.msg862#msg862 date=1630651384]
Hurricanes did not degenerate into storms that cross the whole
continent before this. Ida in New Jersey.
I'd be careful buying a used car from here on out!
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Few used carz make it from the lower 48 to the Last Great
Frontier, so this should not be a huge problem here. I have no
plans to buy another car anyhow, just maybe a hydraulic lift for
my van would be nice. My main Mobility device I hope to buy
soon is a good outdoor model Cripple Scooter. Currently leading
the pack in choices on this is the EW-72.
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Last month it was $2800. This month, $3150. I gotta watch for
a good sale.
RE
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Re: Energy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 4, 2021, 11:42 pm
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You only get to see supervolcanos and flood basalts once. I
prefer Iceland.
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Re: Energy Errata
By: K-Dog Date: September 5, 2021, 3:45 am
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[quote]Last month it was $2800. This month, $3150. I gotta
watch for a good sale.[/quote]
That is a lot. Somebody is making money and it is not the
factory worker in Shenzhen.
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Re: Energy Errata
By: RE Date: September 5, 2021, 7:13 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=49.msg867#msg867 date=1630831506]
[quote]Last month it was $2800. This month, $3150. I gotta
watch for a good sale.[/quote]
That is a lot. Somebody is making money and it is not the
factory worker in Shenzhen.
[/quote]
Hard market to figure overall. All the main distributors are
coming in around the same price right now. I think they might
have all received a shipment. I think mid-winter might be a
good time to buy.
RE
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