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Re: COVID Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: October 12, 2021, 11:47 pm
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[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=47.msg1164#msg1164
date=1633684209]
[quote author=John of Wallan link=topic=47.msg1160#msg1160
date=1633678870]
My industry now demanding everuone has one shot in next few
weeks or cant come to work.
I am over the moon happy with this.
**** morons protesting their personal liberties being infringed
i have no time for. Resident anti-vaxer at work had no idea how
imune system of vaxes work. I tried to educat him. He
reluctantly got the shots. No one has had a bad reaction to the
vax at work. One guy had the virus and is back at work after 5
weeks off. He said it was absolutely horrible, and told everyome
to get vacinated. He is 32.
Proteters need to grow the **** up and get over themselves. In a
few years we will be back to normal and your stupid selfish
protests will be seen for what they were.
Much happier to have my infirm wife and elderly parents still
alive and have to get a neddle.
Put it into perspective duckwits.
JOW
[/quote]
Quack. Greetings from the duckpond. So, if I'm keeping score,
I'm a rabid, stupid, cave dwelling duckwit. Jeez. you guys are
tough. It conjures up this image of Daffy Duck in a Fred
Flinstone suit. The shame. Of course I've been called many
things worse than duckwit, most of which were accurate, but I
digress. Remember what Daffy said when confronted by someone
who didn't get it. "What a maroon!"
For me your key phrase was "In a few years we will be back to
normal."
I have bad news. Normal broke up with us. She wanted to see
other people. She left town on a bus headed east in the middle
of the night with a man dressed in black. I understand from my
friend Rudy that she's waiting tables at a truckstop outside of
Jersey City. Normal dyed her hair red and got a new tattoo.
She ain't coming back.
Just my opinion, but I think some of the reason that people go
rapidly to intolerant meltdown phase over the vax issue is this
desperate hope for normality and familiarity. You may think
that capitalism is the scourge of the earth, but when it comes
to big pharma corporations releasing illness upon the world,
then getting richer by selling you jabs infinitum - you are
rolling up your sleeves as fast as you can. Boy, those
scientists really know their stuff. You agree the oppressive,
controlling government security state is in the bag for large
corporations, is spying on you, and doesn't give a loose bowel
movement for you or your family, but they sure are good about
this vaccine mandate. Please.
Simple question: Why do you trust them?
Here is a piece about Purdue Pharma and the Sacklers. The
Sacklers made billions from the opioid crisis. They have been
given immunity by the courts and Congress is refusing to take
away that immunity because of Chamber of Commerce lobbying.
HTML https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-immunity-purdue-pharma-oxcyontin-opioid-epidemic
In the most recent accounts which I don't have time to run
after, the Sacklers agree to pay 2 billion for damages. They
will not go to jail. They will get to keep most of their
billions. The estimate is that they will make back the 2
billion in a few years. They killed many thousands. Many.
Thousands. And they don't even have to move back in with mom.
This is the same industry you trust. These are the same
regulatory agencies. By the way, you know that the FDA, for a
while now, has been largely funded with fees they get for
putting drugs through the approval process. No conflict there
right?
JOW, no one wants to see your parents or your wife get sick. I
wish them nothing but long life and happiness. I am at an age
now where, as the saying goes, you don't want to buy green
bananas, so I get your concern.
It is a fact that there is much information from reputable
people out there that contradicts the corporate narrative. Very
real concerns about the vaccines and very real data suggesting
that existing, cheap cures are available. People who are just
as dedicated and just as smart as the corporate profiteers have
legitimate reasons to question the path we are on. Just because
the tech giants and the mass media won't give them air does not
mean they are wrong - just unprofitable.
You assessed the risk and decided to get the jab. You decided
to trust Fauci (who has demonstrably lied repeatedly and is
profiting from the entire disaster) et al. Your choice. Good
luck.
As I said previously, I might make that same choice if I were in
different circumstances. As it is, I am much more comfortable
not getting the jab. I will not be threatened or forced into
getting vaccinated. Coercion is bad for my digestion. Anyone
who tries can osculum meum asinum
Quack. Be well. Quack.
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Re: COVID Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: October 14, 2021, 9:40 am
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Better than Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine does. -K-Dog
You can lead a horse to water...
HTML https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in
COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin
early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to
severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that
ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the
SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
-Amercan Journal of Therapeutics Just another flock of
duckwits.
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Re: COVID Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: October 14, 2021, 1:58 pm
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=47.msg1253#msg1253
date=1634222426]
ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the
SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.[/b]
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India alone is 15-20% of global population. The number of daily
deaths there is not even noise now.
HTML https://healthpolicy-watch.new
s/indian-bar-association-rebukes-who-chief-scientist-over-whos-i
vermectin-guidelines-for-covid-treatment/
HTML https://www.aap.com.au/no-proof-ivermectin-and-hydroxy-regime-led-to-covid-decline-in-india/
Thee same thing is going on in Africa. The once respected ABC
and BBC condemning doctors using dangerous horse dewormer and
financially conflicted entities saying it is unproven so must be
banned. The African doctors say they will not set aside a
thousand or even a hundred patients to go untreated as a placebo
or control group. Odd how our own authorities are not prepared
to allow any of us to volunteer to be a long term control group,
in their own treatment of choice.
Who would have expected people in the third world to be using
something under medical supervision, while in the west they try
to find it on the black market and read instructions on the
label about doses meant for horses.
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Re: COVID Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: October 14, 2021, 7:25 pm
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India is a small sample size?
BJ, I took one link from pages and pages of studies that show
the efficacy of ivermectin in fighting Covid. Argentina, costa
Rica, India, Italy, Spain. (AS PP pointed out Africa and India
are kind of amazing.) I picked one from the US because many
Americans don't trust science from anywhere but Fauciville.
After all anyone who is responsible for funding gain of function
research wouldn't lie to us - would he? Twenty months and the
FDA or NIH or CDC can't do a large double blind Ivermectin
study? What are they afraid of?
Thank God we have you as the sole beacon of Truth Justice and
the American Way. Your rigorous standards and critiques sure
keep me on my toes. My suggestion is to take a deep breath, a
sip of good quality booze, and relax just a little.
Ne irascaris bestiae. Mordet.
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Re: COVID Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: October 14, 2021, 11:16 pm
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HTML https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/07/26/covid-vaccine-moderna-says-it-plans-to-expand-trial-for-kids-5-to-11.html
They needed to be told to double the sample size to 3000. For
the adults there is no long term control group at all. After the
initial trial all people in control group were recalled and
offered the vaccine. Only 'a couple' didn't take it.
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Re: COVID Errata
By: K-Dog Date: October 15, 2021, 2:44 pm
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COVID Errata COVID Infada
I have declared where I stand on the COVID science debate once
and for all.
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It has taken me this long to figure it out. Some people are
stupid. That muddied the water. It made the real bottom feeders
hard to see. There is a certain kind of American who feels
entitled. The kind of Americans who took over the Capital
Building in Washington last January. And these Americans want
Trump back. Why? Cutting taxes on the rich does not help most of
us.
Freedom is the lame excuse and not the explanation. The
explanation is that:
(1) No Anti-Vaxer believes COVID will seriously harm them.
(2) Not getting vaxed shows you don't respect the election of
Joe Biden.
Donald Trump did not actually win the presidential election like
AL Gore did. Trump lost multiple key states. That is the first
denial of reality a Trumper makes. Reality denied, the brain
doubles down to prevent a cognitive leak. This is where the
pretense that the vaccine is dangerous grows and is nurtured.
That first denial sets things moving.
The flu vaccine, the mumps vaccine. Hepatitis, smallpox,
measles, rabies if you get bit. Pneumococcal. The list is long I
could go on. There are 24 common vaccines in America, but it
seems only the COVID is dangerous, why?
Dogs are whistling, is why. Racist dogs have been signaling each
other. Don't get the vax. Reacting to the George Floyd riots a
year ago racist pigs came together in January.
Personally, I though a deranged individual committed the George
Floyd murder. A deranged asshole enabled by men who will have a
hard time living with their weakness for the rest of their damn
lives. But hey. That is just me.
America has unprofessional racist cops. As far as I am concerned
you can take the racist cops behind the building and do what you
want with them. But please, I don't want to hear screams. I am
not sadistic, but I have seen enough of the ugly face of racism
to know what it can do. Cosmic justice it would be. But as
things are their white privilege should be, hopefully will be,
to be merly fired. Along with the rest of the unprofessional
police in America. I hope Seattle holds firm and sets the
example.
The city of Seattle is ready to fire 403 officers, if the
officers do not take the jab by Oct. 18th. 403 officers in fear
of heavy metals in the vax ready to drop you dead. Or some such
bullshit. This is a bit much. So what gives.
Seattle had more officers at the Capital Riot than any police
force in the nation. Seattle has racist pigs on the police
force. They are dog signaling to each other. Establishing
themselves as a political force. This is what is up.
There is no issue of freedom involved. The officers are only
refusing orders. Mandating a vaccine tested and now shown to be
safe by distribution of more than a billion doses is reasonable.
A simple order issued for the public good. This is hardly worth
any debate. We really do have better things to do.
Ensuring the safety of people as they go about their daily
lives. That is what police officers should do. Taking the jab is
part of that mission. Ensuring public safety. Policing is a
responsible and professional job if it is done right. When the
mission is to ensure the safety and freedom of citizens. Done
right, it is a job worthy of respect.
Things in Seattle will soon get interesting. I will be
disappointed if there are no firings. This is a clear example of
unprofessional police identifying themselves. The opportunity
should not be wasted.
Fire the racist pigs.
But the idea that Seattle is ready to fire this many officers at
once is ridiculous. Pay and a hostile city council which has
drunk deep from the defund the police poison cup makes for a
very bad working environment. The force is already
short-staffed. Who would want to be an officer in Seattle? Other
cities pay more. Some city councils think building a
professional police force is part of their job. Not so in
Seattle. Officers know this and have been quitting. Many people
in Seattle think having no police force is a good idea. These
people have lost their minds.
In America, the unifying force behind anti-vax is racism.
Australia, with spectacular anti-vax riots, also rants about
freedoms, but I think they have different reasons. Brothers of a
common mother sort of, Aussies are people who suffered through
public educations. They know better than to think the COVID
vaccine is actually dangerous. Just like Americans do.
In this way we are the same. Some Aussies were even born in
hospitals under conditions of modern medicine. Where they were
vaxed. I am not Australian. I don't know what specific bitches
they have down under. But the basic phenomena is the same.
People are trying to build a political force. Isolation is the
stimulus.
Isolated by draconian rules Aussies know they are manipulated.
Anti-vax is their way to strike back, and they don't have many
options. Racism is not unknown down under, but if America points
that finger, three other fingers point back.
To some people what I write today seems perhaps extreme. I don't
give a fuck. Previous generations fought hard for civil rights.
Now I see half the people in America don't seem to know what
civil rights are. They have forgotten how fucked up things were
and not so long ago. The oppressed ignored, and in America too
many people are fine with it. I see racism is the uniting force
behind the populist Trump Joe-Biden-is-not-real following. A
racist following dog whistling to each other using anti-vax
bullshit.
In Seattle people who clearly have no ability to be professional
police capable of serving the public good have clearly
identified themselves. I hope Seattle does the right thing. As
hard as it is. Fire them.
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Re: COVID Errata
By: Digwe Must Date: October 15, 2021, 4:00 pm
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The flu vaccine, the mumps vaccine. Hepatitis, smallpox,
measles, rabies if you get bit. Pneumococcal. The list is long I
could go on. There are 24 common vaccines in America, but it
seems only the COVID is dangerous, why?
K-Dog I understand your view of the Trumpist anti-vaxxers. I
think it is pretty accurate. What has been happening in Seattle
is just a damn shame. For a big city- I've always liked it.
However, the folks I know well who are very concerned about the
vaccine, including several healthcare professionals are not
Trump people at all. Quite the opposite. This Mrna thing IS
different than other vacs. I do not have access to stats and
data that you don't have the ability to see - but there is
plenty out there. My concerns are simple. The long term
effects of the vaccines are not known. They have not been
around long enough. Also, they keep moving the goalposts
regarding the efficacy and length of time the vaccines function.
Also, there are existing effective treatments that do not
involve a Merck 500% markup.
I remain very surprised that someone who so distrusts capitalism
just gets right on board with the big pharma corporations. I am
surprised you do not know anyone who has had a bad reaction to
the shots. We know several that I can think of right off the
top.
One of our interns is coming back to stay here. He is a big
strong former Marine in his early 30s - usually a very healthy
young man. He got his second jab two months ago and has been
getting increasingly sick since. Now he has pneumonia. We're
bringing him here so he can rest which is the only thing for it
now. That and nutritional support.
Not everyone who doesn't trust these vacs is a racist moron
Trump supporter. It's about risk assessment.
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Re: COVID Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: October 15, 2021, 7:24 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=47.msg1270#msg1270
date=1634327096]
COVID Errata COVID Infada
I have declared where I stand on the COVID science debate once
and for all.
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It has taken me this long to figure it out. Some people are
stupid.
Myself, Digwe, thousands of doctors, nurses and scientists, the
pilots from the two major airlines not flying and all the
important people pushing but not taking it included.
That muddied the water. It made the real bottom feeders hard to
see.
It's been obvious that you are a good and intelligent man based
on years of reading your posts, but have been seduced by being
told you are both stupid and bad if you take a rational approach
to this. There was no way that any informed and thinking person
at this stage would take it. Fear through propaganda saturation
had to be the driver last year. Also for many, fear of being
branded a bad liberal if you are confident enough you are not
bad without a bad group being labelled to differentiate from and
hate.
There is a certain kind of American who feels entitled. The kind
of Americans who took over the Capital Building in Washington
last January. And these Americans want Trump back. Why? Cutting
taxes on the rich does not help most of us.
Freedom is the lame excuse and not the explanation. The
explanation is that:
I do not see any trump signs or USMC apparel on the nurses or
construction workers. We were told they were Nazis not
construction workers as well. Again, your support is based on
believing you are opposing trump supporters. The protest in NY
in support of Australians was mostly women and black, even less
likely statistically to be trump supporters. The fact that the
Latino and black are far more fearful of taking it should also
make it obvious it has nothing to do with trump now. 18 months
ago when there was no vax and it was only a matter of wearing a
mask, then yes you had some trump supporters making noise about
freedom and rights.
(1) No Anti-Vaxer believes COVID will seriously harm them.
You have compliance with cognitive dissonance for this. people
who have taken all other vaccines and refuse only the one that
required the definition of vaccine to be changed are both just
'vaccine hesitant' and 'anti-vaxer'. Anti vaxer never sent their
kids to school because they needed to be vaccinated. Safe and
fully approved vaccines can be made mandatory like that.
Emergency use authorised only, can not.
(2) Not getting vaxed shows you don't respect the election of
Joe Biden.
I can understand only a handful of supporters showing up to see
Biden campaign when he felt up to it, while everywhere trump
went there were crowds in the parking lots outside packed
stadiums, made a lot of people reasonably think the election was
a fraud with programmable electronic machines. I also think that
when you have hand recounts done by both sides, the result must
stand. There goes that theory then.
I would bet you can find plenty of people who voted for Biden
refusing it as well. My guess would be about half of them. Many
think presidents are just puppets and it is an agenda of the
elites above them.
Donald Trump did not actually win the presidential election like
AL Gore did. Trump lost multiple key states. That is the first
denial of reality a Trumper makes. Reality denied, the brain
doubles down to prevent a cognitive leak. This is where the
pretense that the vaccine is dangerous grows and is nurtured.
That first denial sets things moving.
Or fear of exile and excommunication for activist leftists
drives them to ignore reality that even Trump's own supporters
lay at his feet: an executive order he made before the pandemic
funding hundreds of billions for vaccines in case of a pandemic,
defunding the WIV about the same time, Operation Warp Speed,
where he takes personal credit for getting the vax developed and
released in a matter of months by committing the money in
advance to buy it.
The flu vaccine, the mumps vaccine. Hepatitis, smallpox,
measles, rabies if you get bit. Pneumococcal. The list is long I
could go on. There are 24 common vaccines in America, but it
seems only the COVID is dangerous, why?
Because those others are just deactivated or dead virus type.
mRNA gene therapy has never been approved as a vaccine when it's
been tried for at least 15 years. This is only releases under
emergency authorisation. They also focus on the survivability of
covid being something like 98% overall, the average mortality
being about the same as average life expectancy and effective
treatments meaning now, you can almost be sure to be in the 80%
who only get mild symptoms if you take them soon enough. Plenty
are aware of the Georgia Guidestones and think this is it, in
light of things people like Bill Gates have said.
Dogs are whistling, is why. Racist dogs have been signaling each
other. Don't get the vax. Reacting to the George Floyd riots a
year ago racist pigs came together in January.
Personally, I though a deranged individual committed the George
Floyd murder. A deranged **** enabled by men who will have a
hard time living with their weakness for the rest of their damn
lives. But hey. That is just me.
America has unprofessional racist cops. As far as I am concerned
you can take the racist cops behind the building and do what you
want with them. But please, I don't want to hear screams. I am
not sadistic, but I have seen enough of the ugly face of racism
to know what it can do. Cosmic justice it would be. But as
things are their white privilege should be, hopefully will be,
to be merly fired. Along with the rest of the unprofessional
police in America. I hope Seattle holds firm and sets the
example.
The city of Seattle is ready to fire 403 officers, if the
officers do not take the jab by Oct. 18th. 403 officers in fear
of heavy metals in the vax ready to drop you dead. Or some such
bullshit. This is a bit much. So what gives.
They probably believe their health is worth more than their job.
Seattle had more officers at the Capital Riot than any police
force in the nation. Seattle has racist pigs on the police
force. They are dog signaling to each other. Establishing
themselves as a political force. This is what is up.
There is no issue of freedom involved. The officers are only
refusing orders. Mandating a vaccine tested and now shown to be
safe by distribution of more than a billion doses is reasonable.
A simple order issued for the public good. This is hardly worth
any debate. We really do have better things to do.
GMO food is then safe, despite being banned in Monsanto's own
cafeterias, because it is widely distributed. Asbestos would be
deemed safe and still in use if there had been an indemnity
protection like with this. Who has followed up on the subjects
recieving those billions of doses, when they are the long term
trial? Nobody is doing that, if you read any of the countless
horror stories, you don't hear any mention of the person or
their family or doctor reporting it on the system. Nobody is
obliged to do that, it takes a long time, and there are
warnings of malpractice for false information all over it.
People actually doing it estimate maybe 1% go on there. Even
then, to be recognised, the death or adverse event needs to be
reviewed and accepted by the FDA or similar. Don't forget that
anything happening between receiving the first dose and up to
two weeks after the second dose can not be counted, as you are
not counted as vaccinated until 2 weeks after 2nd dose.
mRNA vaccine has never passed animal trials. The animal trials
for covid were halted early, Why? Long term we just do not know
if the same thing that happened to the animals will happen to
humans. Re short term risks, people are sensible to reject the
whole correlation is not causation denial, in absence of any
other explanation for adverse reactions in healthy people with
no previous history. Then there is all the people who do have
pre-existing conditions that are under control but return. What
is the actual incidence of all this, I don't know. My guess is
one in a hundred at most and one in a thousand at least. We
don't know how repeated doses will change that, we do know what
the people refusing fear. Then there is all the talk of ADE,
which I don't fully understand. Despite not knowing the cellular
processes involved, I get what the effect is, to be
immunocompromised. It is very early to know if that will play
out, the flu season in UK now might be an indication of what
only 2 doses does. For children there is only risk and no
reward. We now have a new disease called PIMS.
Ensuring the safety of people as they go about their daily
lives. That is what police officers should do. Taking the jab is
part of that mission. Ensuring public safety.
If it had remained the message that it is 95% effective in
preventing infection, that would be true. The message changed to
being vaccinated does not stop you getting or spreading covid,
only less risk of death. In that case, the vaccinated officer
has zero influence on the publics susceptibility to covid and
only benefits then by recovering and enforcing the law some
more.
Policing is a responsible and professional job if it is done
right. When the mission is to ensure the safety and freedom of
citizens. Done right, it is a job worthy of respect.
Things in Seattle will soon get interesting. I will be
disappointed if there are no firings. This is a clear example of
unprofessional police identifying themselves. The opportunity
should not be wasted.
Fire the racist pigs.
But the idea that Seattle is ready to fire this many officers at
once is ridiculous. Pay and a hostile city council which has
drunk deep from the defund the police poison cup makes for a
very bad working environment. The force is already
short-staffed. Who would want to be an officer in Seattle? Other
cities pay more. Some city councils think building a
professional police force is part of their job. Not so in
Seattle. Officers know this and have been quitting. Many people
in Seattle think having no police force is a good idea. These
people have lost their minds.
In America, the unifying force behind anti-vax is racism.
Australia, with spectacular anti-vax riots, also rants about
freedoms, but I think they have different reasons.
This is exactly like rejecting "mostly peaceful BLM protests",
but with far less reason. There has been no burning, looting or
other destruction of property. On one occasion in Sydney
protesters were forced to rush through a police line. They were
on the move as they always are, because any protest for any
reason is illegal here unless pre authorised with you taking out
insurance for any injury of anyone attending, not impeding foot
or vehicle traffic and having heavy police presence. People find
it's too difficult. What then happens is only protest as part of
problem reaction solution go ahead. Extinction Rebellion glued
to the road then Great Reset.
There have been a few trouble makers, who hide in the peaceful
crowd and then throw bottles at police and retreat into the
crowd. The crackdown by both police and military is extreme and
done to peaceful people. Everyone arrested has a 5000$ fine
every time. The strategy seems to be to injure as many as
possible every opportunity, so they can't come back. The city in
Melbourne and Sydney is all occupied with police everywhere,
impossible now to even gather there, first to arrive will be
arrested.
Brothers of a common mother sort of, Aussies are people who
suffered through public educations. They know better than to
think the COVID vaccine is actually dangerous. Just like
Americans do.
In this way we are the same. Some Aussies were even born in
hospitals under conditions of modern medicine. Where they were
vaxed. I am not Australian. I don't know what specific bitches
they have down under. But the basic phenomena is the same.
People are trying to build a political force. Isolation is the
stimulus.
Isolated by draconian rules Aussies know they are manipulated.
Anti-vax is their way to strike back, and they don't have many
options. Racism is not unknown down under, but if America points
that finger, three other fingers point back.
To some people what I write today seems perhaps extreme. I don't
give a ****. Previous generations fought hard for civil rights.
Now I see half the people in America don't seem to know what
civil rights are. They have forgotten how **** up things were
and not so long ago. The oppressed ignored, and in America too
many people are fine with it. I see racism is the uniting force
behind the populist Trump Joe-Biden-is-not-real following. A
racist following dog whistling to each other using anti-vax
bullshit.
And now you are the one insisting on eliminating the last
illusion of rights we have, with an antivaxer conspiracy theory
no different than Hitler had about everyday Jews ruling the
world.
In Seattle people who clearly have no ability to be professional
police capable of serving the public good have clearly
identified themselves. I hope Seattle does the right thing. As
hard as it is. Fire them.
crisp and charred
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Re: COVID Errata
By: Phil Potts Date: October 15, 2021, 8:19 pm
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date=1634334022]
[quote author=Phil Potts link=topic=47.msg1263#msg1263
date=1634271377]
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They needed to be told to double the sample size to 3000. For
the adults there is no long term control group at all. After the
initial trial all people in control group were recalled and
offered the vaccine. Only 'a couple' didn't take it.
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How dare people think for themselves, and decide that they sure
aren't about to trust a bunch of folks doing random statistics
on small samples, when they themselves were the sample!!
Sounds like this has nothing to do with who believes scientists
or not, but folks just having good common sense! Why in the
world would someone pimp such discredited work? Gee...I
wonder.... :D
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By 'people', you mean the FDA and 'bunch of folks' is Moderna
and Pfizer. If 3000 is what you call good common sense for a
sample, then you can't reject the ivermectin data digwe posted.
Note that the Ivermectin is being used for a problem thar does
exist, namely going from the 80% who only get mild symptoms to
the rest who get damaged including what could be permanent or in
worst case, death. The Vax for 5-11 yr olds is a solution
without a problem, except maybe over population if you believe
fertility was lowered in mice.
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Re: COVID Errata
By: K-Dog Date: October 15, 2021, 11:44 pm
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[quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=47.msg1272#msg1272
date=1634331642]
The flu vaccine, the mumps vaccine. Hepatitis, smallpox,
measles, rabies if you get bit. Pneumococcal. The list is long I
could go on. There are 24 common vaccines in America, but it
seems only the COVID is dangerous, why?
K-Dog I understand your view of the Trumpist anti-vaxxers. I
think it is pretty accurate. What has been happening in Seattle
is just a damn shame. For a big city- I've always liked it.
However, the folks I know well who are very concerned about the
vaccine, including several healthcare professionals are not
Trump people at all. Quite the opposite. This Mrna thing IS
different than other vacs. I do not have access to stats and
data that you don't have the ability to see - but there is
plenty out there. My concerns are simple. The long term
effects of the vaccines are not known. They have not been
around long enough. Also, they keep moving the goalposts
regarding the efficacy and length of time the vaccines function.
Also, there are existing effective treatments that do not
involve a Merck 500% markup.
I remain very surprised that someone who so distrusts capitalism
just gets right on board with the big pharma corporations. I am
surprised you do not know anyone who has had a bad reaction to
the shots. We know several that I can think of right off the
top.
One of our interns is coming back to stay here. He is a big
strong former Marine in his early 30s - usually a very healthy
young man. He got his second jab two months ago and has been
getting increasingly sick since. Now he has pneumonia. We're
bringing him here so he can rest which is the only thing for it
now. That and nutritional support.
Not everyone who doesn't trust these vacs is a racist moron
Trump supporter. It's about risk assessment.
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The thing is. Saying who is who in all this gets very
mathematical. The Trumper is the wolf in sheeps clothing, and
whatever other terms are in this Bayesian equation, racist dog
whistling is going on. Not every one saying the vax is bad
believes it.
You yourself say:
[quote]Not everyone who doesn't trust these vacs is a racist
moron Trump supporter.[/quote]
True, and I point out that some are.
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