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#Post#: 184--------------------------------------------------
The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Their El
ders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: Blade of Grass Date: May 1, 2021, 6:52 am
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I think this saying has been adopted by most all the generations
now living. It isn't just us old folks poo-pooing how awful the
younger folks are.
Extract
The notion of a “Millennial” generation, much like a “Generation
X” or the “Baby Boom” generation, with a strong coherence in
terms of values and norms that differ from previous cohorts, has
been of dependable interest in the popular press. However, given
what we know regarding the proportion of trait expression due to
sources largely immune to cohort effects (e.g., large genetic
contributions), how difficult it is for us to systematically
influence their expression (e.g., small long-term parental
effects), and the massive variation within groups, the
meta-analytic work of Costanza, Fraser, Badger, Severt, and Gade
(2012) underscores what should already be known from first
principles; generation or cohorts are inevitably a poor
predictor of anything. The literature on ingroup/outgroup bias
(Hogg & Abrams, 1990), stereotype formation (Mackie, Hamilton,
Susskind, & Rosselli, 1996), and reconstructive memory issues
(Schacter, 1999) provides ample underlying evidence for how
these generational overgeneralizations form.
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#Post#: 186--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: Cam Date: May 1, 2021, 8:09 am
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I see the generational thing as helpful if you take it with a
big grain of salt (with all the variation within groups and
whatnot) but not at all helpful when it turns into a blame game.
I see the blame game a lot with younger folks making 'Ok Boomer'
memes...it just comes across as lazy to me. Basically if you
aren't willing to do something yourself about whatever issue is
worrying you, you end up blaming someone else for your problems
which helps no one. It actually adds to the division already
present.
I see the same thing with the older folks though too, making
memes bashing young folks. Neither helps bring us closer to
building something better.
#Post#: 187--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: Nearings fault Date: May 1, 2021, 10:27 am
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I've met younger people eager and hungry for skills and success
and older folks unable to change a car tire. I know by
generational memes my personality resembles my grandfather's
generation more than my own or my parents. There is still a lot
of regional can do ism out there distributed in pockets. I find
the country offers more room for those oddballs to flourish.
Worked for me anyways.
#Post#: 193--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: K-Dog Date: May 1, 2021, 5:41 pm
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[spoiler][quote author=Blade of Grass
link=topic=19.msg184#msg184 date=1619869935]
I think this saying has been adopted by most all the generations
now living. It isn't just us old folks poo-pooing how awful the
younger folks are.
Extract
The notion of a “Millennial” generation, much like a “Generation
X” or the “Baby Boom” generation, with a strong coherence in
terms of values and norms that differ from previous cohorts, has
been of dependable interest in the popular press. However, given
what we know regarding the proportion of trait expression due to
sources largely immune to cohort effects (e.g., large genetic
contributions), how difficult it is for us to systematically
influence their expression (e.g., small long-term parental
effects), and the massive variation within groups, the
meta-analytic work of Costanza, Fraser, Badger, Severt, and Gade
(2012) underscores what should already be known from first
principles; generation or cohorts are inevitably a poor
predictor of anything. The literature on ingroup/outgroup bias
(Hogg & Abrams, 1990), stereotype formation (Mackie, Hamilton,
Susskind, & Rosselli, 1996), and reconstructive memory issues
(Schacter, 1999) provides ample underlying evidence for how
these generational overgeneralizations form.
HTML https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/industrial-and-organizational-psychology/article/abs/world-is-going-to-hell-the-young-no-longer-respect-their-elders-and-other-tricks-of-the-mind/301D32FA5F9F3DC5D1305AD2785F01ED
[/quote][/spoiler]
I had to read that twice to understand what it was saying, but I
understand.
HTML https://youtu.be/3Le3VGda-FI
Wild in the streets 1968
Here is the whole thing.
HTML https://youtu.be/vcUv4dAiCkA
#Post#: 195--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: Phil Potts Date: May 1, 2021, 9:30 pm
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I think 'ok boomer' IS respectful and millenials COULD give a
lot more defiant replies.
They sometimes say boomers left them all the current problems,
but that's all.
They could point out that the boomers calling them snowflakes
are being sensitive snowflakes themselves when they get upset at
'ok boomer' replies.
They could point out that for all the criticism about being
'raised on participation trophies', those end after primary or
grade school and it's millenials or gen Z athletes who have a
higher bar and break records surpassing those set by boomers or
even gen X, while aerating their blood and muscles with dirtier
air. They could point out the service medals of the military
those old cranks worship are participation trophies for fully
grown adults. They could point out the regular payrises the
union jobs for life boomers walked into with no qualifications
are a form of participation trophy.
They could point out interest rates were anywhere between 5 and
20% and cost of living vs average wages was a lot lower for
boomers when they bang on about how they saved money, while
today negative interest rate punishes saving if it is even
possible after paying bills.
They could point out the temporary and casual contract, often
also underemployed part time huge segment of the workforce,
can't risk borrowing money if they can even get approved, when
boomers bang on about buying homes vs living in mom's basement.
They could point out the background checks for jobs today dredge
up every mention of their name in police databases, not just
relevant criminal history and it prejudices or prevents them
working in a way boomers who might have just got out of jail and
used handwritten references, never had checked.
They could point out not only the divorce rate, but the ever
more unjust fenminazi kangaroo courts that destroy men's lives,
when boomers accuse millenials men of being a manchild who would
rather play video games than get married and have a family.
They could point out boomers are themselves on social media and
forums like this one, in order to be commenting that the current
generation is addicted to their screens.
They could point out to the ex hippy lefty boomers who have
unwavering faith in 'progress' because they stopped a war, that
the govt has learned to not make the same mistake twice, since
then. They feed you what is progressive and what is not, no
longer involving peace or disarmament, but always dystopian
means of depopulation. They don't televise demonstrations, or
police brutality in dispersing them if the media which are
essentially an arm of govt are ordered not to. They don't even
allow protesting without a permit in designated areas. They only
allow approved reporters and photographers to be 'embedded' and
escorted where the military approves on deployments.
Deployments, really occupations now, that have been going on
since before anyone under 21 today was even born and are by
volunteers not draft, so just an accepted part of life going on
somewhere far away not effecting them.
I could think of more, but I think I've made the point. I don't
agree with the hypercritical generalisations that get thrown
around about today's youth, by much of the generation I think
actually had it easier, Vietnam veterans notwithstanding. I know
so many who work hard, eager to learn and get good at what they
do. Theyre mainly just different in only doing it without the
'to be seen not heard', 'spare the rod spoil the child', and
'I'll GIVE you something to cry about', cycle of brutalization.
RE, I believe you taught different generations in schools, whats
your opinion?
#Post#: 196--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: K-Dog Date: May 1, 2021, 11:39 pm
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[quote]They could point out to the ex hippy lefty boomers who
have unwavering faith in 'progress' because they stopped a war,
that the govt has learned to not make the same mistake twice,
since then. They feed you what is progressive and what is not,
no longer involving peace or disarmament, but always dystopian
means of depopulation. They don't televise demonstrations, or
police brutality in dispersing them if the media which are
essentially an arm of govt are ordered not to. They don't even
allow protesting without a permit in designated areas. They only
allow approved reporters and photographers to be 'embedded' and
escorted where the military approves on deployments.
Deployments, really occupations now, that have been going on
since before anyone under 21 today was even born and are by
volunteers not draft, so just an accepted part of life going on
somewhere far away not effecting them.[/quote]
It is all sadly, true.
#Post#: 197--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: RE Date: May 2, 2021, 1:44 am
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I've never been a fan of the gross generalizations made about
different generations, be they boomers, millenials or anything
else. It is just my firm opinion that 99% of all people of all
generations are idiots. Millenials also stand no better chance
of changing civilization to avoid collapse than their boomer
forefathers did.
RE
#Post#: 202--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: K-Dog Date: May 2, 2021, 10:25 am
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[quote author=RE link=topic=19.msg197#msg197 date=1619937891]
I've never been a fan of the gross generalizations made about
different generations, be they boomers, millenials or anything
else. It is just my firm opinion that 99% of all people of all
generations are idiots. Millenials also stand no better chance
of changing civilization to avoid collapse than their boomer
forefathers did.
RE
[/quote]
People who imagine the youth of the world will fix it piss me
off.
#Post#: 206--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: K-Dog Date: May 2, 2021, 11:00 am
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[spoiler][quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=19.msg204#msg204
date=1619969699]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=19.msg202#msg202 date=1619969110]
[quote author=RE link=topic=19.msg197#msg197 date=1619937891]
I've never been a fan of the gross generalizations made about
different generations, be they boomers, millenials or anything
else. It is just my firm opinion that 99% of all people of all
generations are idiots. Millenials also stand no better chance
of changing civilization to avoid collapse than their boomer
forefathers did.
RE
[/quote]
People who imagine the youth of the world will fix it **** me
off.
[/quote]
Is this because you have experience with the youth of this
world? ;D
Me, I tend to agree with RE that most people are uninterested in
learning much beyond items of personal interest (although my
percentage wouldn't be as high as 99%), and I agree that the
youth sure aren't going to fix anything, but personally I find
the journey itself (regardless where it ultimately arrives) to
be fascinating.
[/quote][/spoiler]
[quote]Is this because you have experience with the youth of
this world? ;D[/quote]
Yes, I used to be one and recall that most of youth of my
generation, could not and did not care to understand the world
beyond their nose. I can't imagine any later generation has
been different. I agree with both of you and I fix the
percentage at 97%. In my comment I was imagining old-fart
hopium and I had a gut reaction.
#Post#: 220--------------------------------------------------
Re: The World Is Going to Hell, the Young No Longer Respect Thei
r Elders, and Other Tricks of the Mind
By: RE Date: May 3, 2021, 2:07 am
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I used to say only 90% were idiots, but I revised upwards over
the last decade as 9/10 of the people I thought were not idiots
in fact turned out to be so.
RE
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