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Re: Climate Doom
By: K-Dog Date: May 10, 2021, 6:05 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=14.msg260#msg260
date=1620683141]
[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=14.msg255#msg255 date=1620675616]
Wild speculation is appropriate for stories and for exploring
possibilities. But panic will solve nothing.
[/quote]
But might create the right mode in the opposite sex for a little
bit of "grief counseling"? ;)
More results generating than being an old single guy in a bar
trying to ply anything of the opposite sex with liquor perhaps?
[/quote]
Not the kind of one trick pony I want to be. But good point.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: Eddie Date: May 11, 2021, 8:12 am
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It might have been reasonable a decade ago to believe that the
worst climate models were far too optimistic and that tipping
points were right around the corner, and that they :-[might
result in huge immediate changes...That the “methane gun” might
go off any day.
I was willing to believe Guy McP back then, because AR 9 was
thought to be a likely path. It turns out AR4 is far closer to
the observed data so far.We have way more data, and it’s
instructive.
The science is pointing to a slower process now. Nobody knows
where the tipping points are, or even if they’ve already been
passed. The long term outlook is still pretty grim, but the
headline scare stories are pure bullshit. Everybody is pretty
much a campaigner in the world of climate, even people who are
supposed to be objective.
No real data I’ve ever seen suggests global cooling. That’s
crap. But we could maybe engineer some cooling trying to
bioengineer the planet back to a more stable state. And we
could get it wrong, as we often do. Overshoot it maybe.
And models are a map, not the territory. If we start having a
bunch of volcanoes go off, the models would be wrong, because
they don’t map that. or a war that gave us a nuclear winter
might change things dramatically.
The climate models have some flaws, and rational criticism of
the IPCC should be tolerated, although it really isn’t these
days. I still read Judith Curry for some counterpoint. She’s a
smart cookie with no axe to grind.
We’ll all be dead long before the 6th extinction (assuming
climate is the number one threat) , if there is one, which I
still agree is quite likely. In the meantime, things will
deteriorate, just not on a Guy McP schedule. People still need
to get up and go to work if they want to eat and have a roof
over their head. Grieving for a dead planet is a bit premature,
in my view.
On the #metoo stuff about Guy......I think it’s probably crap.
He got played by a woman with an agenda. Sign of the times.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: Phil Potts Date: May 11, 2021, 2:58 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=14.msg272#msg272
date=1620756117]
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=14.msg265#msg265 date=1620738735]
On the #metoo stuff about Guy......I think it’s probably crap.
He got played by a woman with an agenda. Sign of the times.
[/quote]
So some woman/women baited him into a conversation where he
revealed through his language his thinking on the topic of
male/female relationships? And that is the woman's fault? Or his
language related to gender relationships is quite common in your
experience with other men?
[/quote]
Moving largely to cybersex and sexting is a sterile outlet and
good for population reduction. Guy may be lecherous, but was
also no idiot in getting his way. Consider that from those
shudderingly cringeworthy messages he has not once, but twice
expressed his anticipating intercourse. If you reject the notion
that the messages began suggestively but a more tame than that
and believe Serena simply discussed climate change and climate
terror with him when he suddenly revealed Mr Hyde, then we have
to wonder why she didn't cut contact and he got to send a second
one. It seems also that after the second one, she still met up
with him and had sex, prompting the third message when he was
done with her.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: Eddie Date: May 11, 2021, 4:05 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=14.msg272#msg272
date=1620756117]
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=14.msg265#msg265 date=1620738735]
On the #metoo stuff about Guy......I think it’s probably crap.
He got played by a woman with an agenda. Sign of the times.
[/quote]
So some woman/women baited him into a conversation where he
revealed through his language his thinking on the topic of
male/female relationships? And that is the woman's fault? Or his
language related to gender relationships is quite common in your
experience with other men?
[/quote]
My view is that she probably did more than just bait him into a
conversation. I don’t have any real knowledge about what
happened, but it looks to me like she lured him into a sexting
scandal trap that she then sprung on him, costing him a lot of
credibility and maybe some of his livelihood.
In my experience most men will say just about anything that a
woman professes to want him to say, if the woman is remotely
attractive and the pay-off is sex. He thought he was playing a
sex game, but she was playing a power game. imho.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: K-Dog Date: May 11, 2021, 5:28 pm
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Re: Climate Doom
By: Digwe Must Date: May 11, 2021, 6:32 pm
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Guy M , at this point, is a distraction. Personal failings
often lead to a person's work being generally trashed. Your
enemies will always exploit your vulnerabilities. He obviously,
for whatever reason, set-up or not, let the little head do the
thinking for the big head. His egotistical and dismissive
approach didn't do him any favors either. If you disagreed with
him you weren't very bright or you were an academic/corporate
tool. There were few to defend him when things went bad.
I am not at all dismissive of Ice Age Farmer. His stats are
real. The industry and academic papers are real. Sometimes his
interpretation moves through speculation to the border of
conspiratorial conjecture. Another bright man with an agenda to
sell.
Eddie made some very good points as did you all. Given the
current trends and accelerating consequences it seems very
unlikely that a new ice age is at hand. I do think it pays to
consider a few possibilities that make it -though unlikely - not
impossible. I certainly see the effects of anthropogenic
climate change all around me every day. I spend much of my time
trying to mitigate. But, I was not being facetious when I asked
JOW if both Guy M and Ice Age Farmer could be right.
Eddie mentioned volcanoes. It is a fact that the planet's
magnetic field is weakening. It is a fact that the magnetic
poles are moving and that the pace of that movement is
accelerating. The geologic record apparently shows a strong
correlation between magnetic disruption and increasing volcanic
activity in the planet's past. Also, the weakening field does
not block out bursts of solar radiation nearly as effectively.
(This means a weaker CME could cripple the grid by the way)
We all know that the gulf stream and the circulation in the
Atlantic is slowing due to the increase in cold fresh meltwater
in the Arctic. We know that the Beaufort Gyre is growing and
overdue to let go. If the Atlantic sees a sudden new massive
influx of fresh water Europe's climate could very well cool just
as the south heats up.
The IPCC is starting to come around on considering some new data
on albedo from the increased cloud cover resulting from
evaporation due to warming at certain latitudes. I think they
were shamed into this by a Princeton paper. Also they are going
to consider the effects of other types of solar radiation on the
climate. Or, at least they are going to start. From what I
read while the light emitted by the sun during minimums
diminishes somewhat, x-rays and other solar radiation increases
and the historic record of these times shows cooling and climate
disruption.
Look, either way food production is in real trouble.
Phil Potts mentioned that climate change did not concern him
that much. Folks shouldn't live everywhere. I get that. I
don't disagree. But the prospect of the associated human misery
with that transition makes me shudder. I'm old and have had a
pretty good run. But we have young family and friends.
I strongly suspect that climate extremes are going to continue
to accelerate in frequency and worsen in intensity. Remember
those mammoths in Siberia they found frozen in the ice about 50
- 60 years ago. They had grass in their mouths. It can happen
fast.
I suspect you are right about war. It's in the air.
“All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned,
and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses, his real
conditions of life, and his relations with his kind” Karl Marx,
Communist Manifesto (1848)
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Re: Climate Doom
By: Eddie Date: May 11, 2021, 7:19 pm
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[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=14.msg279#msg279
date=1620771215]
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=14.msg278#msg278 date=1620767123]
[quote author=BuddyJ link=topic=14.msg272#msg272
date=1620756117]
So some woman/women baited him into a conversation where he
revealed through his language his thinking on the topic of
male/female relationships? And that is the woman's fault? Or his
language related to gender relationships is quite common in your
experience with other men?
[/quote]
My view is that she probably did more than just bait him into a
conversation. I don’t have any real knowledge about what
happened, but it looks to me like she lured him into a sexting
scandal trap that she then sprung on him, costing him a lot of
credibility and maybe some of his livelihood.[/quote]
Any hints, evidence, reference or claim of this anywhere? Or is
this more a suspicion?
[quote author=Eddie"]
In my experience most men will say just about anything that a
woman professes to want him to say, if the woman is remotely
attractive and the pay-off is sex. He thought he was playing a
sex game, but she was playing a power game. imho.
[/quote]
And I have no familiarity with men acting this way, regardless
of circumstance. Perhaps a side effect of having been happily
married for a long time, but the whole thing is still alien to
me.
[/quote]
No, it is merely suspicion.
Unless you count that it worked to completely ruin his
reputation among the people who seem to have trusted
him.....meaning that if it was a trap, it worked rather well.
And that it fits perfectly into what I'd call the typical #metoo
modus operandi.
Happily married is such a blessing. But...you might be surprised
at what turns some women on...and what some women might do out
of sheer spite. Hell hath no fury, etc.
I'm married forty years in July myself.
Just reading those texts made me embarrassed for Guy. You'd
think a PhD could write better porn. It was strictly amateur
stuff. Not much imagination if you ask me.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: K-Dog Date: May 11, 2021, 8:47 pm
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Regardless of him being smeared or if he is a real bad boy, I
found this brilliant description of Guy on Reddit.
[quote]Guy absolutely can't stand anyone who disagrees with him.
You must have 100% faith that he is the Word of God on the
subject of climate change. His following already is a cult, just
they are not all together in one location like Jonestown or
Waco.
His narrative has numerous negative aspects to it. First off it
encourages inaction even if he says it doesn't. Second it's
outrageously depressing without enough evidence for the
conclusions. Full on extinction by 2030? That's 14 years to all
dead people! It's ludicrous. Then because of both of those
things, he undermines folks who are making more realistic
assessments of the timelines involved here.
The more often he is exposed as a charlatan, the better.[/quote]
I could not have said it better myself. I emphasized the bold.
Some guy named Reverse Engineer posted this 4 years ago.
Ten years to go.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: John of Wallan Date: May 11, 2021, 10:41 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=14.msg285#msg285 date=1620784051]
Regardless of him being smeared or if he is a real bad boy, I
found this brilliant description of Guy on Reddit.
[quote]Guy absolutely can't stand anyone who disagrees with him.
You must have 100% faith that he is the Word of God on the
subject of climate change. His following already is a cult, just
they are not all together in one location like Jonestown or
Waco.
His narrative has numerous negative aspects to it. First off it
encourages inaction even if he says it doesn't. Second it's
outrageously depressing without enough evidence for the
conclusions. Full on extinction by 2030? That's 14 years to all
dead people! It's ludicrous. Then because of both of those
things, he undermines folks who are making more realistic
assessments of the timelines involved here.
The more often he is exposed as a charlatan, the better.[/quote]
I could not have said it better myself. I emphasized the bold.
Some guy named Reverse Engineer posted this 4 years ago.
Ten years to go.
[/quote]
Yes, last time I mentioned Guy M. RE was less than flattering...
Could not understand 100% why. SOme people just rub each other
up the wrong way. I know plenty I would like to see 6 foot
under...
I listen to the message and check the references. The numbers
actually seem to add up unfortunately. I absolutely hope he is
wrong. I really dont want to die any time soon, but I think we
are heading into a shitstorm in the next 10 years for a number
of reasons already mentioned, and I would suggest his timeframe
is a lot closer to reality than the crap being thrown around by
denialists... 2100 seems to be the timeframe of choice in the
mainstream media to allow business as usual until all current
generations are dead and no longer can be held to account.
I also disagree with the assertion he is telling everyone to
give up. I think it is just an excuse people use to allow
inaction. His message has actually spurred me on to action, not
the opposite.
I really have no idea if the man is a monster or is being
defamed as he claims.... There seems to be a lot of dirty
laundry and mud being slung about. If criminal activity is
involved police should be called, and charges laid. In the
internet age it seems to be easy to destroy reputations.
Anyway, its got very little to do with the notion I think we are
falling off the cliff, and soon. Based on the response I am
sorry I mentioned him. Its a big distraction from rational
debate and reviewing the science.
RE can be wrong. I doubt he likes people disagreeing with him
either....
JOW
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Re: Climate Doom
By: John of Wallan Date: May 12, 2021, 3:24 am
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HTML https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/
Interesting article on expected climate refugees in North
America.....
JOW
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