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Re: Climate Doom
By: Phil Potts Date: May 8, 2021, 10:26 pm
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HTML https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2021/05/08/brace-for-impact-about-to-get-much-worse/
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Re: Climate Doom
By: John of Wallan Date: May 9, 2021, 9:27 pm
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This guys lays out a good timeline for whats coming and why.
Few seem to realise that no food means no humans... Most think
7/11 will be open and fully stocked for our convenience; its
always been that way!
I dont agree 100% with his conspiracy theories about ánything
being planned...
We are going into chaotic times with no one in power doing much
planning other than trying to get past next election cycle.
Despite all the propaganda about if we change our ways we can
save the planet, and continue on with our current lifestyles,
its looking more and more like too little too late.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U45PMTOicM
Do what you can on a local level.
Glabally things will work themselves out chaotically.
JOW
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Re: Climate Doom
By: John of Wallan Date: May 9, 2021, 9:30 pm
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[quote author=John of Wallan link=topic=14.msg251#msg251
date=1620613676]
This guys lays out a good timeline for whats coming and why.
Few seem to realise that no food means no humans... Most think
7/11 will be open and fully stocked for our convenience; its
always been that way!
I dont agree 100% with his conspiracy theories about ánything
being planned...
We are going into chaotic times with no one in power doing much
planning other than trying to get past next election cycle.
Despite all the propaganda about if we change our ways we can
save the planet, and continue on with our current lifestyles,
its looking more and more like too little too late.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U45PMTOicM
Do what you can on a local level.
Glabally things will work themselves out chaotically.
JOW
[/quote]
When I said this guy I meant the link to the ice age farmer in
previous post. Not Guy M.
He is unfortunately more and more accurately predicting what
coming...
JOW
JOW
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Re: Climate Doom
By: Digwe Must Date: May 10, 2021, 11:22 am
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JOW
Guy M and the Ice Age Farmer guy are on opposite sides of the
climate change issue.
About 15 years ago Guy M was saying that the methane clathrate
problem gave us five years as a species at best. The methane
was supposed to emit into the atmosphere at such a rate as to
cause massive explosions and flares. I've seen other climate
scientists expose the flaws in his work. Guy M is a very bright
man with tunnel vision. He then had the personal crisis
associated with his work "counseling" women with NTHE anxiety.
This gave the folks questioning his conclusions ammunition to
assail his credibility.
Up until 2 years ago the Ice Age Farmer guy was claiming we were
entering the grand solar minimum NOW. Solar activity was going
to continue to drop and we would be entering the next ice age
now. Since then the calculations and observations he used have
been clarified. Most observers believe we will be seeing the
GSM in 2030 or the next solar cycle 11 years later. The IAF guy
claims that anthropogenic climate change is a hoax perpetrated
by the shadow elites.
Can they both be right?
As Yogi Berra is reputed to have noted, predictions are hard -
especially about the future.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: K-Dog Date: May 10, 2021, 2:40 pm
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[spoiler][quote author=Digwe Must link=topic=14.msg253#msg253
date=1620663742]
[img]
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******
JOW
Guy M and the Ice Age Farmer guy are on opposite sides of the
climate change issue.
About 15 years ago Guy M was saying that the methane clathrate
problem gave us five years as a species at best. The methane
was supposed to emit into the atmosphere at such a rate as to
cause massive explosions and flares. I've seen other climate
scientists expose the flaws in his work. Guy M is a very bright
man with tunnel vision. He then had the personal crisis
associated with his work "counseling" women with NTHE anxiety.
This gave the folks questioning his conclusions ammunition to
assail his credibility.
Up until 2 years ago the Ice Age Farmer guy was claiming we were
entering the grand solar minimum NOW. Solar activity was going
to continue to drop and we would be entering the next ice age
now. Since then the calculations and observations he used have
been clarified. Most observers believe we will be seeing the
GSM in 2030 or the next solar cycle 11 years later. The IAF guy
claims that anthropogenic climate change is a hoax perpetrated
by the shadow elites.
Can they both be right?
As Yogi Berra is reputed to have noted, predictions are hard -
especially about the future.
[/quote][/spoiler]
My spoiler tags keep you from having to look at Guy McPherson
again if you don't want to.
I can express my feelings with a very simple statement:
'Guy Mcpherson does not know **** about feedback theory.'
And I know what time it is twice a day.
I do not find someone who exploits irrational fears in the name
of science to make his money amusing. I realize in the world of
doom I am an outlier since I do not feel the need to kiss Guy's
ass just because he calls himself a climate scientist and is
partial to white suits.
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The white suit is a dead giveaway when you think about it. An
obvious prop. McPherson is Dinner Theater.
Engineers, particularly Electrical Engineers have to understand
how feedback works. White suit wearing 'professors' I suspect
do not do as much math as engineers do. As the years roll by a
chasm in abilities widens. You don't use it you lose it don't
you know.
I find Guy's angst at people in mainstream media referring to
tipping points as being far in the future amusing. If Guy had
not misrepresented tipping points as an event and instead as
part of the naturally occurring interlocked processes they are,
mainstream media would not have exploited his exploit. Instead
Guy makes facts something to argue about, and in this world
white suits have no advantage.
The Earth is a complicated mix of multiple feedback systems.
All feedback loops have to be identified and evaluated
quantitatively to know what the future holds. Cherry picking
data has no place.
Guy makes people passive. He is a thought stopper.
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I doubt the book has a single mention of 'tipping point'.
Engineers refer to a state as being unstable or a system as
bi-stable. Then they work out the math to describe how a
physical system will respond to inputs over time. Accuracy of
prediction and not shock value is the criteria for success.
Wo-wo panic is not involved. An engineer generally will want to
know exactly what will happen as the world collapses and the gas
tank in the national car runs dry. Wild speculation is
appropriate for stories and for exploring possibilities. But
panic will solve nothing.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: Phil Potts Date: May 10, 2021, 2:56 pm
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I've never heard it explained why McPherson some years ago set
up his community of near term climate extinction followers in
Belize on the equator. It matters that he actually shows the
headlines and abstracts of the studies and isn't just giving a
presentation where he cites things with his own interpretation.
He may realise he spent some credibility there. I don't have any
problem with what he's presented here.
On the question of solar minimum, im a sceptic. I don't see how
you predict patterns of anything burning which is my
understanding of what it's based on. Having said that, this past
summer just ended, definitely felt very nice to be in the sun.
When we came to Tasmania 8 yrs ago, we noticed the sun really
bites, this past summer did not feel like that. I didn't hear
about any 50C days on the mainland either, though I might have
missed it if it happened. From my perspective, those were
something new in the past decade and never happened before that.
Locals here in Tasmania say that definitely the summers are much
longer and there's a lot less rain overall than previous decades
going back.
For me the climate change question is not the highest priority
because I don't believe humans have the right to always occupy
every locality, whether it's tropical or near the poles. I think
when the climate changes, people have to move. That seems to be
a lot more the case with agriculture than hunter gatherer who
have in fact used the lower sea level and sea ice to get across
the berring strait or Torres strait . I think past civilizations
have had to abandon the best temperate regions because of
climate change they caused themselves by deforestation for
agriculture and building. Now is no different and the scale of
our land clearing, paving and building over everything makes the
previous times seem insignificant. We can use our technology to
delay but not entirely prevent it. We end up with less people
where they can't all be supported and seasonal migration becomes
an option again.
That leads me to the rest of ice age farmers ideas. I fully
agree with him on what we need to do and that alone is worth
posting. Some of his other thoughts are still open questions to
me. Eg a 'lack of cows' in Australia. I would say first that we
have 'cattle' and the numbers in the tropical north that free
roam over vast areas of bush and are rounded up by helicopter
are huge herds, probably 20x more than found on farms with
fences and fields plus feed lots, and we have a lot of those. He
would not be aware of that, so would not know that it's drought
that causes them to be slaughtered early and in greater numbers,
as well as overused and drying up rivers for the dairy farmers
that determines the numbers. I don't think it's because anyone
has determined we can't eat meat. The paltry number of poultry
in Russia could also be climate related, such as freezing.
Meat is the most noticeable food inflation and that's been going
on for about ten years. Lamb and Beef by about 70% in that time.
I notice Americans talking about Pork the same way, though pork
is still cheap here.
It's obviously caused by more mouths to feed worldwide. Hundreds
of millions who have been pulled out of their rural subsistence
farming and sent to cities to work factories and whatever other
services, all up and coming consumers needing feeding. Add to
that the climate change we cause meaning less regular and
reliable rainfall, more drought or devastating flood and
depleted soil, putting more pressure on the whole industry, not
just pastoral but also the examples of sourcing animal feed in
china he mentioned.
This is not to deny that there are globalists with an agenda, I
agree with ice age farmer on that, just not his every suspicion.
I do see another hugely self enriching and control consolidating
war as part of their agenda and I've been saying it for a long
time. The headlines of the last few months should vindicate my
money being on that particular horseman of the apocalypse to pay
out.
Water wars as a result of climate change between numerous
countries on major rivers that have supported civilization for
thousands of years will definitely ignite. Many upstream dams
and pumps on the nile, Blue Nile, Yangtze, Ganges, Yamuna and
Euphrates among others will be bombed and wars breaking out over
it. For now, most countries that would be involved are only
restrained by UN sanctions and resolutions they would face.
That changes when we finally say enough of Russia and China's
election meddling, aggression and genocide from decades ago we
noticed in 2018. Saving the USD unlimited printing privilege
would just be a bonus, not the primary purpose of the Pentagon
team, im sure. That hail Mary is not going to make it in the
hypersonic missile age anyway and the bankers know it, they
would rather deal with all that debt by having it declared bk.
Hunter Biden has already been appointed chairman of the
Sinoslavic Worldwide Reconstruction company, based on his
outstanding credentials.
To me, what we get after all that, with numerous moves by many
govts to take over resources of their neighbours, including the
plentiful and clean, but giant crocodile infested rivers where
all those cattle roam up north, is a more important question
than looking at attempting an orderly transition to clean energy
as BAU. All the big cities around the world remaining
functioning, with ongoing heating and cooling for optimal
comfort just seems unlikely to me.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: K-Dog Date: May 10, 2021, 3:41 pm
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The future climate for Belize and the Cen-tral America
and Caribbean regions will likely be characterized by increasing
temperatures and declining levels of precipitation. These
projections have been confirmed through
HUMAN DEVELOPMENT ISSUES PAPERExECUTIVE SUMMARy6several analyses
of climate models. One study projected a median temperature
increase of 2.0°C (3.6°F) for the Caribbean region and
3.2°C (5.7°F) for the Central American region, and they project
a median decrease in annual precipitation of 12% for the
Caribbean re-gion and 9% for the Central American region. The
models also projected a 39% increase in extremely dry seasons
for the Caribbean and a 33% increase for Central America.
Another study generated regional estimates of future temperature
and precipitation, and project-ed an annual average
temperature increase of 3.5°C (6.4°F) for Central America,
and a decrease in precipitation of 0.33mm (0.013 inches)
per day, or 120.45mm (4.7 inches) per year. Climate data for
Belize were used to es-timate trends in average rainfall and
tempera-tures from 1960 through 2005. Of the ten warmest
years in the record, five of these oc-curred in the 1990s and
four occurred since 2000. The trend analysis was combined with
climate projections from a regional climate model to
project average temperature and rainfall in Belize for
the period 2010-2100. Average annual temperatures are
expected to increase 3.5°C (6.4°F) over the 90-year
period, while average rainfall is expected to decrease by
100mm.
Epstein had an Island. Guy had Belize.
I knew going there made no long term environmental sense and not
an appropriate place to live for someone advocating change.
There had to be other reasons.
[quote]Manipulation and alleged sexual abuse of followers
McPherson solicits donations from his followers,[14] which he
uses in part to tour the world and give talks. On social media,
he took on the role of grief counselor to help his followers
emotionally cope with his claims of doom. A joint statement from
several ex-followers summed this up as, "[McPherson] is in a
position of authority with direct influence over the mental,
emotional, and in some cases physical and monetary lives, of
those who exist in a state of vulnerability."[15] In August of
2017 McPherson was accused of sexual harassment by several
ex-followers, who claim that his counseling with women often
includes sexual advances or abuse.[16] Deep Green Resistance, a
radical deep ecology group, was disturbed after finding that he
called one woman a "cum-gargling ****", and will no longer work
with him.[17] [/quote]
HTML https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Guy_McPherson
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Re: Climate Doom
By: K-Dog Date: May 10, 2021, 4:04 pm
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Walking Away from Guy McPherson
HTML https://discardingdoom.wordpress.com/2017/11/18/walking-away-from-guy-mcpherson/
[quote]The following is written from a desire to protect the
emotional and material well being and professional reputations
of those who have been or would potentially be affected by the
information offered here. I present my observations as fact
which I would stand behind in a legal setting. Having consulted
with legal counsel after being cc’d in a letter threatening a
potential lawsuit at the behest of retired University of Arizona
professor Guy McPherson, I feel comfortable moving forward with
publishing this information. Because McPherson has repeatedly
suggested pursuing legal action in the form of libel suits in
regard to previous interactions with others, and has made some
indications that he may pursue a lawsuit with regard to the kind
of information disclosed here, I have approached this
presentation primarily as a first person assessment and will
make an effort to separate my direct observations from analysis,
which can be freely disputed based on one’s own interpretation.
As I wish to not be rhetorically overburdened by the use of such
phrases as “I think,” and “I believe,” anything written here
that cannot be directly observed should be viewed by the reader
as conclusions which I have drawn, and thus should be weighed
against the information provided.[/quote]
It is a long article. Juicy as fuck.
HTML https://discardingdoom.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/guy-mcpherson-i-copy1.jpg
The auto software can't turn fuck into **** when it is an image.
Could it be that Homeland Security is behind the smearing of
Guy? Agree with Guy or consider him a lecherous POS, your
choice. But I have no doubt he is on more than one FBI list.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: Phil Potts Date: May 10, 2021, 4:47 pm
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[quote author=K-Dog link=topic=14.msg258#msg258 date=1620680663]
Walking Away from Guy McPherson
HTML https://discardingdoom.wordpress.com/2017/11/18/walking-away-from-guy-mcpherson/
[quote]The following is written from a desire to protect the
emotional and material well being and professional reputations
of those who have been or would potentially be affected by the
information offered here. I present my observations as fact
which I would stand behind in a legal setting. Having consulted
with legal counsel after being cc’d in a letter threatening a
potential lawsuit at the behest of retired University of Arizona
professor Guy McPherson, I feel comfortable moving forward with
publishing this information. Because McPherson has repeatedly
suggested pursuing legal action in the form of libel suits in
regard to previous interactions with others, and has made some
indications that he may pursue a lawsuit with regard to the kind
of information disclosed here, I have approached this
presentation primarily as a first person assessment and will
make an effort to separate my direct observations from analysis,
which can be freely disputed based on one’s own interpretation.
As I wish to not be rhetorically overburdened by the use of such
phrases as “I think,” and “I believe,” anything written here
that cannot be directly observed should be viewed by the reader
as conclusions which I have drawn, and thus should be weighed
against the information provided.[/quote]
It is a long article. Juicy as ****.
HTML https://discardingdoom.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/guy-mcpherson-i-copy1.jpg
The auto software can't turn **** into **** when it is an image.
Could it be that Homeland Security is behind the smearing of
Guy? Agree with Guy or consider him a lecherous POS, your
choice. But I have no doubt he is on more than one FBI list.
[/quote]
The problem there is not showing the exchange between mcP and
Serena. What he was replying to and what replies he got, are
needed to put it in context.
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Re: Climate Doom
By: K-Dog Date: May 10, 2021, 5:47 pm
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[quote author=John of Wallan link=topic=14.msg235#msg235
date=1620205648]
Bolox.
Crap.
Rubbish.
Rhubarb.
Another boondogle so someone can make money while delaying
actually solving the issue.
[spoiler]
A carbon price will not work.
It just forces a transition away from fossil fuels to something
else with more unknown consequences.
Thalidimide, DDT, CFC's , PCBs, asbestos all have useful
characteristics, and initially un-forseen downsides...
Every EV has a huge carbon footprint to manufacture and more
complex systems and technology. We need to de-industrialise not
re-industrialise to something new.
We need less people too. I dont want it, but we need it. It will
happen of its own accord shortly. We are in population overshoot
measured by so many metrics: Desertification, over fishing,
salinnation, loss of topsoil, peak oil, peak water,
deforestation, peak helium, increased reliance on rare earth
minerals, loss of biodiversity, peak phospherous.... Thats just
what I can remember.
[/spoiler]
Perhaps we need organic self replicating transport systems.
Think replicants in blade runner.
I know: Horses!
They run on grass. Thats carbon neutral.
We have to stop thinking we can find a technical solution.
Technology is the driver of our problems not the solution.
Technology allowed us to go into overshoot. Stupidity keeps us
here for now.
JOW (The new ludite!)
[/quote]
The East Coast, specifically the MidAtlantic region, tends to
produce rich pastures. In these areas, around 2 acres per horse
will probably ensure enough for most horses’ needs.
So much for grass fed steak. It could get pricey.
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