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#Post#: 115--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot
DIR By: Phil Potts
Date: April 24, 2021, 3:55 pm
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--- Quote from: Blade of Grass link ---
>
> Finally got a reply from the Missouri coordinator on a flyer.
He says "Go for it." Cool. UPS store charges 50 cents per page.
To get 200 it would cost $104!!!!! :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
What equal rights do women not have?
#Post#: 116--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot
DIR By: Phil Potts
Date: April 24, 2021, 4:33 pm
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--- Quote from: K-Dog link ---
>
> [spoiler][quote author=Blade of Grass
link=topic=10.msg111#msg111 date=1619286071]
> [quote author=K-Dog link=topic=10.msg108#msg108
date=1619283937]
> [quote author=Blade of Grass link=topic=10.msg105#msg105
date=1619283074]
> Finally got a reply from the Missouri coordinator on a flyer.
He says "Go for it." Cool. UPS store charges 50 cents per page.
To get 200 it would cost $104!!!!! :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
What do critics of Western Capitalism do? They
[glow=orange,2,300]fundraise[/glow]. The want money to fight
capitalism with.
Try as I may if I reach down and pull up on a shoe I can get one
leg pulled off the ground. But when I try both legs at the same
time both legs stay on the ground.
The flyer asks for a lot of stuff but there is no plan to get
any of it.
[/quote]
Yep...It would have to be an introduction flyer, then you HAVE
to ask "Could the People's Party help you with your agenda/s?"
Yea, I am beginning to see how **** this whole thing is. About
ready to drop this thing. Start hounding the Biden agenda
instead.... hounding (get it K-Dog) :)
[/quote][/spoiler]
Don't drop it. It teaches you too many things to drop. It is
good for something. It shows the daunting impossibility of
change. But that does not mean one stops trying.
In the last year I have put myself out a bit. I get on You-Tube
news channels and panels when I can to make my 'pinions known. I
was on Upstream Media today. I took a small bite of the
elephant.
I was interviewed on Collapse Chronicles once and 4000 people
watched the interview. So what! A million people can watch a
big budget special on climate change or anything else. An hour
later they will still be on their ass.
One thing Extinction Rebellion (Britain) understands. To make
real change everyone has to get involved. To involve everyone
messages must be repeated over and over and over again. There
is no other way. The way I see it, all we can do is plant seeds
and wait for circumstances to make them grow. If you really
want something to grow you plant lots of seeds.
Could the flyers be printed in China?
HTML https://www.flyinx.com/product-flyers
[/quote]
Blade of grass financial quandary to even print flyers, shows
how ER is a funded rent a crowd, rolled out by the rulers while
creating a lot of extra pollution by getting millions of truck,
car and bus engines idling for hours on end by stopping traffic.
This pisses off the public and the politicians take their orders
from their donors who are the same financiers of the rent a
crowds ropes, paints glues and travel expenses, possibly also
wages. The financiers even left their name on the side of
Greta's yacht.
The bankers and billionaires then tell the politicians to
recognise an existential climate crisis and commoditize the air,
water and land which they own and we must pay to use. This does
nothing to reduce pollution that I can see. Carbon tax was
introduced here ten years ago and didn't change anything.
Possibly some of my money raised the standard of living in a low
polluting Pacific island nation that we bought carbon credits
from. Meanwhile, just because you have a dairy farm beside a
river doesn't mean you get to keep pumping water for the cows
for free. Somebody bought those water rights, though the farmer
never sold them and cows release methane. The supermarket
duopoly fixes the price of milk at less than bottled water,
meaning the solution is going out of business and the country
becoming a net dairy importer instead. Never mind the pollution
from refrigerated shipping across the sea.
#Post#: 117--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot
DIR By: K-Dog
Date: April 24, 2021, 4:34 pm
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--- Quote from: Phil Potts link ---
>
> [quote author=Blade of Grass link=topic=10.msg105#msg105
date=1619283074]
> Finally got a reply from the Missouri coordinator on a flyer.
He says "Go for it." Cool. UPS store charges 50 cents per page.
To get 200 it would cost $104!!!!! :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
What equal rights do women not have?
[/quote]
They live about five years longer than men in the US. That
means five more years of suffering. Have a heart. 💜
#Post#: 118--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot
DIR By: K-Dog
Date: April 24, 2021, 4:56 pm
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[spoiler]
--- Quote from: Phil Potts link ---
>
> [quote author=K-Dog link=topic=10.msg112#msg112
date=1619293534]
> [quote author=Blade of Grass link=topic=10.msg111#msg111
date=1619286071]
> [quote author=K-Dog link=topic=10.msg108#msg108
date=1619283937]
> [quote author=Blade of Grass link=topic=10.msg105#msg105
date=1619283074]
> Finally got a reply from the Missouri coordinator on a flyer.
He says "Go for it." Cool. UPS store charges 50 cents per page.
To get 200 it would cost $104!!!!! :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
What do critics of Western Capitalism do? They
[glow=orange,2,300]fundraise[/glow]. The want money to fight
capitalism with.
Try as I may if I reach down and pull up on a shoe I can get one
leg pulled off the ground. But when I try both legs at the same
time both legs stay on the ground.
The flyer asks for a lot of stuff but there is no plan to get
any of it.
[/quote]
Yep...It would have to be an introduction flyer, then you HAVE
to ask "Could the People's Party help you with your agenda/s?"
Yea, I am beginning to see how **** this whole thing is. About
ready to drop this thing. Start hounding the Biden agenda
instead.... hounding (get it K-Dog) :)
[/quote]
Don't drop it. It teaches you too many things to drop. It is
good for something. It shows the daunting impossibility of
change. But that does not mean one stops trying.
In the last year I have put myself out a bit. I get on You-Tube
news channels and panels when I can to make my 'pinions known. I
was on Upstream Media today. I took a small bite of the
elephant.
I was interviewed on Collapse Chronicles once and 4000 people
watched the interview. So what! A million people can watch a
big budget special on climate change or anything else. An hour
later they will still be on their ass.
One thing Extinction Rebellion (Britain) understands. To make
real change everyone has to get involved. To involve everyone
messages must be repeated over and over and over again. There
is no other way. The way I see it, all we can do is plant seeds
and wait for circumstances to make them grow. If you really
want something to grow you plant lots of seeds.
Could the flyers be printed in China?
HTML https://www.flyinx.com/product-flyers
[/quote]
Blade of grass financial quandary to even print (very 20th
century) flyers, shows how ER is a funded rent a crowd, rolled
out by the rulers to create a lot of extra pollution by getting
millions of truck, car and bus engines idling for hours on end
by stopping traffic. This pisses off the public and the
politicians take their orders from their donors who are the same
financiers of the rent a crowd stunts. They even left their name
on the side of Greta's yacht. The bankers and billionaires then
tell the politicians to recognise an existential crisis and
commoditize the air, water and land which they own and we must
pay to use. This does nothing to reduce pollution that I can
see. Carbon tax was introduced here ten years ago and didn't
change anything. Possibly some of my money raised the standard
of living in a low polluting Pacific island nation that we
bought carbon credits from. Meanwhile, just because you have a
dairy farm beside a river doesn't mean you get to keep pumping
water for the cows for free. Somebody bought those water rights,
though you never sold them and cows release methane. The
supermarket duopoly fixes the price of milk at less than bottled
water, meaning the solution is going out of business and the
country becoming a net dairy importer instead. Never mind the
pollution from refrigerated shipping across the sea.
[/quote][/spoiler]
--- Quote ---
> Carbon tax was introduced here ten years ago and didn't change
anything.
--- End Quote ---
A tax is only a tax. Carbon dividends would go everybody giving
all the ability and desire to use energy wisely. The less you
use the bigger the balance on your dividend card. Since you get
a dividend you can buy your fair share of fuel if you want to
spend your pile that way.
HTML https://chasingthesquirrel.com/public/pics/card.png
HTML https://chasingthesquirrel.com/public/pics/cardau.png
#Post#: 125--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot
DIR By: RE
Date: April 25, 2021, 1:02 am
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--- Quote from: Nearings fault link ---
>
> [quote author=Blade of Grass link=topic=10.msg105#msg105
date=1619283074]
> Finally got a reply from the Missouri coordinator on a flyer.
He says "Go for it." Cool. UPS store charges 50 cents per page.
To get 200 it would cost $104!!!!! :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
that is nuts. Staples is usually way cheaper. Ups stores seem to
be home to the 3 dollar envelope.
Have you considered starting locally? Civic office, state...
something like that? Our own hard left leaning party got started
at municipal levels, grew to provincial, then federal. It took
20 years though but it anchored them to a real grass roots
network.
[/quote]
Color copies. Much cheaper for B&W.
RE
#Post#: 127--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot
DIR By: Blade of Grass
Date: April 25, 2021, 4:00 am
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--- Quote from: Phil Potts link ---
>
> [quote author=K-Dog link=topic=10.msg112#msg112
date=1619293534]
> [spoiler][quote author=Blade of Grass
link=topic=10.msg111#msg111 date=1619286071]
> [quote author=K-Dog link=topic=10.msg108#msg108
date=1619283937]
> [quote author=Blade of Grass link=topic=10.msg105#msg105
date=1619283074]
> Finally got a reply from the Missouri coordinator on a flyer.
He says "Go for it." Cool. UPS store charges 50 cents per page.
To get 200 it would cost $104!!!!! :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
What do critics of Western Capitalism do? They
[glow=orange,2,300]fundraise[/glow]. The want money to fight
capitalism with.
Try as I may if I reach down and pull up on a shoe I can get one
leg pulled off the ground. But when I try both legs at the same
time both legs stay on the ground.
The flyer asks for a lot of stuff but there is no plan to get
any of it.
[/quote]
Yep...It would have to be an introduction flyer, then you HAVE
to ask "Could the People's Party help you with your agenda/s?"
Yea, I am beginning to see how **** this whole thing is. About
ready to drop this thing. Start hounding the Biden agenda
instead.... hounding (get it K-Dog) :)
[/quote][/spoiler]
Don't drop it. It teaches you too many things to drop. It is
good for something. It shows the daunting impossibility of
change. But that does not mean one stops trying.
In the last year I have put myself out a bit. I get on You-Tube
news channels and panels when I can to make my 'pinions known. I
was on Upstream Media today. I took a small bite of the
elephant.
I was interviewed on Collapse Chronicles once and 4000 people
watched the interview. So what! A million people can watch a
big budget special on climate change or anything else. An hour
later they will still be on their ass.
One thing Extinction Rebellion (Britain) understands. To make
real change everyone has to get involved. To involve everyone
messages must be repeated over and over and over again. There
is no other way. The way I see it, all we can do is plant seeds
and wait for circumstances to make them grow. If you really
want something to grow you plant lots of seeds.
Could the flyers be printed in China?
HTML https://www.flyinx.com/product-flyers
[/quote]
Blade of grass financial quandary to even print flyers, shows
how ER is a funded rent a crowd, rolled out by the rulers while
creating a lot of extra pollution by getting millions of truck,
car and bus engines idling for hours on end by stopping traffic.
This pisses off the public and the politicians take their orders
from their donors who are the same financiers of the rent a
crowds ropes, paints glues and travel expenses, possibly also
wages. The financiers even left their name on the side of
Greta's yacht.
The bankers and billionaires then tell the politicians to
recognise an existential climate crisis and commoditize the air,
water and land which they own and we must pay to use. This does
nothing to reduce pollution that I can see. Carbon tax was
introduced here ten years ago and didn't change anything.
Possibly some of my money raised the standard of living in a low
polluting Pacific island nation that we bought carbon credits
from. Meanwhile, just because you have a dairy farm beside a
river doesn't mean you get to keep pumping water for the cows
for free. Somebody bought those water rights, though the farmer
never sold them and cows release methane. The supermarket
duopoly fixes the price of milk at less than bottled water,
meaning the solution is going out of business and the country
becoming a net dairy importer instead. Never mind the pollution
from refrigerated shipping across the sea.
[/quote]
Building a 3rd party is not similar to XR's money/footprint
activity. The flyer cost is outrageous. No mom and pop printing
services no more. :)
@K-Dog I will stay with it a while longer to keep learning what
it is like. I decided to email the flyers to coalitions in our
State that have similarities.
#Post#: 128--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot
DIR By: Blade of Grass
Date: April 25, 2021, 4:03 am
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--- Quote from: RE link ---
>
> [quote author=Nearings fault link=topic=10.msg107#msg107
date=1619283721]
> [quote author=Blade of Grass link=topic=10.msg105#msg105
date=1619283074]
> Finally got a reply from the Missouri coordinator on a flyer.
He says "Go for it." Cool. UPS store charges 50 cents per page.
To get 200 it would cost $104!!!!! :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
that is nuts. Staples is usually way cheaper. Ups stores seem to
be home to the 3 dollar envelope.
Have you considered starting locally? Civic office, state...
something like that? Our own hard left leaning party got started
at municipal levels, grew to provincial, then federal. It took
20 years though but it anchored them to a real grass roots
network.
[/quote]
Color copies. Much cheaper for B&W.
RE
[/quote]
A big difference. $.15 per B&W copies! I can't grey scale the
image though.
#Post#: 137--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot : The Green Party?
DIR By: Blade of Grass
Date: April 26, 2021, 12:56 pm
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HTML https://youtu.be/zWNf2v1QwQw
#Post#: 138--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot : The Green Party?
DIR By: K-Dog
Date: April 26, 2021, 2:10 pm
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[spoiler]
--- Quote from: Blade of Grass link ---
>
>
HTML https://youtu.be/zWNf2v1QwQw
>
--- End Quote ---
[/spoiler]
--- Quote ---
> Very systematically
> in the media in the movies, on the radio
> on television In the news
> at church in the school all of those
> places. Pictures have been painted in which the
> people who run our big businesses
> are ceo geniuses worth
> all that money because wow are they
> super competent.
>
> They are all captains of industry. We
> reward them with top government jobs,
> accolades from here to tomorrow
> and amounts of money to be paid to them
> which is the ultimate
> compliment in a capitalist society.
>
> In contrast workers are drones
> and unions wow they're scary.
> They're a little bit better than crooks
> but not much better. They get the same kind of
> low appreciation that you give others in our
> society that don't get much prestige.
>
> 👍
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 151--------------------------------------------------
Re: 3rd Party: The People's Party Crap shoot : The Green Party?
DIR By: Blade of Grass
Date: April 27, 2021, 8:05 am
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I asked the Missouri Coordinator this question. Why are we
forming a 3rd Party when the Green Party is already well
established and has ballots and platforms in most of the States?
Before he answered I found the question addressed in their FAQ.
Why not join the Green Party or another existing party?
A party’s name is its first impression and identity. It can
lead people to see themselves reflected in the party and invite
them to learn more, or it can convey that it is not for them.
For an independent party to become a major party, people from
all walks of life must be able to see themselves belonging to it
from the start. That takes a party name and character that
encompasses and invites everyone. “The People’s Party” is a
statement in itself, that a political party must belong to the
people, and that all are welcome. It also leads people to ask,
“Who do the major parties belong to?”
The Green Party’s name unfortunately leads many to view it
as a niche environmental party that sidelines other pressing
issues, like the cost of health care, housing and education.
That means that fewer people identify with it and take the time
to learn more. Legally it cannot change its name without
starting the party over.
The Green Party also has to start over with ballot access
petition collection in most states every four years. It’s
another reason that we might as well start over with a fresh and
energetic new party. Because it has so few resources — an annual
budget of about $300,000 and about three full-time staff
equivalents — the Green Party spends all its energy getting
ballot access and then has little left to run its campaigns.
This means it’s stuck on a ballot access treadmill: running
candidates who get one or two percent just to maintain ballot
access and getting a reputation of being marginal in the
process. It has been stuck in this cycle for so long that it no
longer fights to win, but just to survive. We need a bold,
decisive, and captivating party that resolves to become the next
major party in America and ushers in a 21st-century progressive
era.
MPP’s mission is different from existing independent
parties. We’re building a coalition of community organizations,
student groups, unions, progressive groups, and others that can
unite for a major new party. Polls consistently show that a
majority of Americans want a major new party but are not
enthused by existing independent parties.
More than a hundred years of social science show that when
progress stalls, it takes new parties and movements to shake
things up and win. Left parties have existed for several decades
in Europe and Latin America, but it wasn’t until a new
generation of left parties came about in the last five years
that they broke-through. The same happened in our country’s
history. Abolitionist parties like the Free Soil Party and
Liberty Party had existed for many years before the Republican
Party, but it took a new party to finally breakthrough.
It might seem intuitive to think that small parties that
have been around for decades could grow and be more successful,
but history indicates that it takes fresh new parties to
captivate public imagination and succeed. New parties innovate,
are more in sync with the historical moment, are technologically
savvy, and inspire a sense of great possibility. They also come
about at the right political moment, when the public is ready
for a mass break with the establishment. They are free of the
baggage of longstanding smaller parties, which come to be viewed
as marginal and stale. Historically, longstanding small parties
serve the role of inspiring and paving the way for new larger
break-through parties.
We bring professional political and organizational knowledge
and skills from having worked on Democratic Party campaigns
before setting out to build a major new people’s party. We also
have the networks to bring over others who remain in the
establishment parties. The early Republican Party succeeded
because it drew over a large number of former Whig voters,
elected officials, party officials. Having recently come from
the Democratic Party helps us understand, communicate, and bring
over other people and groups from the Democratic Party. It also
gives us the personal connections to bring over elected
officials and professional campaigners to help set up the party
and run winning campaigns.
It seems realistic to me. ?
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