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CHARLES CHANDLER
By: Admin Date: April 3, 2017, 10:30 am
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Hi Charles. In late 2013 we were discussing how to improve
science communication and science papers etc on the TB forum
starting at
HTML http://www.thunderbolts.inf
o/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14667&sid=2528a4cfbcee64c0794
f9a1007e2f1a9&start=45#p90668
--- I rejoined the Natrual Philosophy group lately
(naturalphilosophy.org) and was pleasantly surprised that
they're working on sort of the same thing there now. They have a
regular forum there, but they're working on a more structured
forum, as well as an alternative science Wiki, based on ideas
similar to Deliberatorium. The person most responsible for that
work seems to be Bruce Nappi, who has worked with Mark Klein,
the guy at MIT who was experimenting with developing
Deliberatorium there. Bruce says he was able to find ways to
make Delib. work by modifying it a lot, with Mark's blessing. So
I've been in touch with Bruce by email for a couple days and I
volunteered to help develop the CNPS structured forum and their
Wiki and to invite others to help, like from the TB forum etc. I
told Bruce about our TB forum discussion that I linked above and
he was very impressed with your part of the discussion. I told
him he'd probably benefit by registering on your website and
that you're a software developer. Bruce seems to be pretty good
as a webmaster, but I didn't ask him yet how much experience he
has. He writes a lot online and has a business apparently. One
of his topics in online articles is participatory democracy via
internet communication. His ideas on that are very similar to
mine. I favor supermajority rule, instead of simple majority,
and he says we can have 100% majority rule, which is unanimous
rule. So I want to work with him on that too.
I asked Bruce yesterday to add a new section to the forum for
the Electric Universe. I said I'd like to have discussion of at
least 4 models there, the EU team's, yours, Oliver Manuel's and
Brant's. Maybe there should be one for Bob Johnson's too, come
to think of it. I hope a lot of TB forum members will want to
discuss there and that we can develop efficient ways to have
debates that lead to sound science for the CNPS Wiki etc. I
think you're especially interested in saving people's lives from
natural disasters etc, so I hope your papers on earthquakes,
volcanism, tornadoes etc will get proper exposure, both at
NCGT.org and at CNPS to start with. CNPS is having a conference
in Vancouver, BC around July 20. Deadlines for submitting papers
is May 31. I hope you may like to submit one or more of your
papers. I don't know if you'd want to go to Vancouver to read
your paper, but, if not, I imagine they'd allow someone else to
read it there for you. Dwardu Cardona lives in Vancouver.
I think John Casey and Dong Choi may be able to improve their
methods for predicting earthquakes etc, if they can learn
something from your papers. I've been working with Mike Fischer
of NewGeology.us for a couple months or so on a paper on
Catastrophism for NCGT. Since NCGT seems to mainly support Surge
Tectonics, I wanted to understand that better, so Dong Choi
suggested I read Meyerhoff's book on Surge Tectonics. Meyerhoff
was his mentor. Below is part of what I wrote lately to Mike.
- In the quote below from the book, Surge Tectonics, you can see
they say the surge channels form at the top of the Moho.
- Here from the book is a Surge Channels Map I found online:
HTML http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/images/ECNews/HeatFlow/WorldHeatFlowMap750.jpg
- The Webpage which seems religious is:
HTML http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/article.php?a_id=93
- They say the surge channels are within those warm bands. Many
are said to be active channels and some are inactive, which I
think means solidified.
- 3.9.3 ROLE OF THE MOHOROVIC DISCONTINUITY
Thus, when the postulated tholeiitic picrite magma reachs the
Moho- [rising from below] ([P-waves] ... between 8.0-km/s ...
and 6.6-km/s ...), it has reached its level of neutral buoyancy
and spreads laterally. Under the proper conditions---abundant
magma supply and favorable crustal structure---a surge channel
can form. We suggest the possibility that the entire
7.0-7.8-km/s layer may have formed in this way. In support of
this suggestion, we note that the main channel of every surge
channel studied, from the Archean to the Cenozoic, is located
precisely at the surface of the Moho-. This indicates that the
discontinuity is very ancient, perhaps as old as the Earth
itself. This fact and the great difference in P-wave velocities
above and below the Moho- surface suggest in turn that the
discontinuity originated during the initial cooling of the
Earth.
- Here's a quote from the Conclusions section of the book.
9. Surge channels, active or inactive, underlie nearly every
major feature of the Earth's surface, including all rifts,
foldbelts, metamorphic belts, and strike-slip zones. These
belts are roughly bisymmetrical, have linear surface swaths of
faults, fractures, and fissures, and belt-parallel stretching
lineations. Aligned plutons, ophiolites, melange belts,
volcanic centers, kimberlite dikes, diatremes, ring structures
and mineral belts are characteristic. Zoned metamorphic belts
are also characteristic. In some areas, linear river valleys,
flood basalts, and/or vortex structures may be present. A lens
of 7.8-7.0 km/s material always underlies the belt.
End quotes. So I figure the surge channels likely formed as a
result of the SD impact off east Africa. Wherever the crust,
whether oceanic or continental, fractured severely, folded, etc,
there was excess heat that produced the surge channels at the
top of the Moho-. Since Choi already is favorable to the idea of
Earth acting as an electrical battery, which one of NCGT's
member groups wrote a paper on back around 2004, I think he and
that group may be very impressed with your model. Louis
Hissinck, one of NCGT's editors, who is also a member of the EU
team who favors Thornhill's model at least somewhat, should be
somewhat interested in your model too. Peter James is another
contributor to NCGT who may have connections to the EU team.
Anyway, does my idea about surge channels in the Moho- caused by
the SD impact make sense to you? I know the Moho- probably would
have existed before the impact, but they say it's a few km
thick, whereas you say only about a meter of the thickness is
caused by the tides. So I figure the extra thickness, if true,
may have resulted from the impact. Got any comments?
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