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1 = [1-2c] The Great Flood: Rock Strata Formation
By: Admin Date: January 7, 2017, 7:21 pm
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[1-2c] ..THICK ATMOSPHERE ..ROCK STRATA FORMATION - SEDIMENTARY
ROCK ORIGIN - ROCK FORMATION BY TSUNAMIS - GRAND CANYON SAND
DUNES - NO OROGENY WITH GREAT FLOOD - SEDIMENTARY STRATA - GREAT
FLOOD HUMAN FOSSILS ..FLOOD RUNOFF
__THICK ATMOSPHERE
- Earth's atmosphere was likely thicker before the Great Flood
cataclysm, so that the stars were not visible. Only the nearby
planets and the Sun were visible. Earth had no visible Moon
initially.
====================postby Lloyd » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:43 pm
__ROCK STRATA FORMATION
- 1. How did sedimentary rock strata form? ... The conventional
theory seems to be full of absurdities. The Great Flood theory
seems to be most logical to me, combined with the Shock Dynamics
theory.
- The conventional theory is that strata and fossils take
thousands to millions of years to form. But delicate fossils and
large ones could not form in conventional flood or sedimentation
events. I don't think it's even proven that conventional
sedimentation forms solid strata. There has to be a lot of lime
or other cementing agent available to form rock strata. I don't
know if rock can form under water until the water is drained
away. Most rock strata cover hundreds or thousands of square
miles. There would have to be a lot of very huge lakes that
filled with sediment. The sediment would have had to move over
the entire lake bottom with nearly equal thickness, whereas
normally sediment only accumulates near the mouths of rivers or
creeks. Erosion would have to bring in just sand with some lime
for thousands of years, then bring in just lime for thousands of
years, and then just mud for many more thousands of years,
because each rock type is usually separate in strata several
inches to feet thick. All of the mountains would be eroded down
in a few million years, so where would the older strata come
from? Would something keep building up mountains to get eroded
back down? Is anything besides a Shock Dynamics event capable of
building up mountains?
- Creation scientists have shown that a global flood would be
capable of cavitating the edges of a supercontinent to form
continent-wide strata of sand, lime and mud sediments via
tsunamis, caused by a large body temporarily orbiting the Earth
on a highly elliptical orbit, which would also fossilize large
and delicate organisms quickly.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:08 pm
__SUMMARY
... The Asteroid Bombardment caused the breakup of the
Supercontinent and the rapid movement of the continents apart to
near their present positions. The movement of continents largely
caused the Great Flood tsunamis. The Great Flood caused
Extinctions and Fossil formation. The slowing of Continental
Drift by friction caused Mountain Uplift and Vulcanism. Receding
Flood waters caused massive Erosion and the heated oceans caused
evaporation and snowfall at higher latitudes, which was
Glaciation in the one and only Ice Age.
__SEDIMENTARY ROCK ORIGIN
- [Sedimentary Rock Origin] Great Flood Videos
I was having a question lately about where all the sand, mud and
lime would have come from if the sedimentary rock layers on
continents were all formed during the Great Flood. After hearing
the following video explain it, it seems it should have been
obvious: they came largely from the seafloors. I wasn't thinking
of the possibility that the oceans could have been stirred up
enough to move much of the sediments from the seafloors onto the
land.
Here are my Notes on the Flood Video called The Worldwide Flood
- Geologic Evidences: youtube.com/watch?v=jwGgSNDPhO0
3'37": Evidence: If there was a Great Flood, the ocean waters
could have flooded the continents, bringing along sand, mud and
ocean creatures.
5'20": Tapeats Sandstone, Redwall Limestone and Coconino
Sandstone belong to 5 megasequences of strata that cover much of
North America.
5'42": Tapeats covers about 2/3 of U.S. and part of western
Canada. It's also found in Israel.
6'24": Redwall having same features and fossils is found in AZ,
TN, PA, England, Himalayas near Nepal,
7'00": Cretacious chalk, over 1,000 ft thick in places, is found
in Ireland, S. England, Europe, Egypt, Turkey, Western Australia
and in the U.S. from NE to TX.
8'40": Coconino, 300 ft thick, has crossbedding diagonal to the
horizontal strata formed from underwater sand dune waves with
the tops washed off.
10'53": Coconino covers from AZ to KS to TX. The sand waves
started at 60 ft high each in water moving 3-5 mph. Coconino was
deposited in a few days. The entire Grand Canyon strata were
deposited in a few months.
12'54": Ayers Rock in central Australia is sandstone with nearly
vertical strata with grains of different sizes, angular and some
delicate, meaning they were deposited rapidly (from 60 miles
away).
15'57": Ayers sandstone is over 18,000 ft thick. It was
deposited within hours by turbidity currents moving up to 70
mph.
20'00": Coconino is over Hermit shale. Shale is hardened mud.
Coconino sand came from Canada
22'00": Navajo sandstone in s. Utah lies over Coconino. Navajo
sand contains zircons and quartz eroded from mountains of PA and
NY.
23'00": Sand waves are direction indicators, indicating that
Flood waters flowed during the Paleozoic over the Americas from
n.e. to s.w. The same direction of flow occurred on the other
continents too.
Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=pMSSwoJFq-8
3'58": The main strata of the Grand Canyon contain marine
fossils. Redwall limestone is in the middle, containing many sea
animals. It's 7 ft thick and over 180 miles wide.
8'20": In France there are similar sea animals buried with
amphibians, spiders, scorpions, millipedes, insects and
reptiles. There's similar mixture in CO along with birds etc.
Similar in WY.
11'00": In Tasmania an 80 ft thick stratum contains broken
shells, a toothed whale and a possum.
17'12": 7 trillion tons of vegetation are buried in the world's
coal beds. Same coal beds in the U.S. extend also from England
to Russia.
... Delicate creatures are preserved. Some fish are preserved
right after eating another fish, or giving birth, as evidence of
rapid burial.
Video: The Mystery of Coal: youtube.com/watch?v=GlNudoEPSsM
This says coal consists largely of pieces of tree bark, wood,
leaves etc. Peat bogs don't contain that, so coal doesn't come
from there, despite the popular theory. But in Spirit Lake after
the Mt. St. Helens eruption there was found layers of tree bark
on the bottom, while the tree logs were floating on top.
Video: Extraordinary Evidence that Dinosaurs Lived with Man:
youtube.com/watch?v=dWe3cteDuBc
It says 95% of fossils are from marine invertibrates. 4.5% are
from plants and algae. Vertibrates make up .0125%. This isn't
widely mentioned, because it gives the impression of a Flood
Deposit.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:59 pm
__ROCK FORMATION BY TSUNAMIS
Electrical Formation
Hi, Brigit. Have you read Charles' papers at
HTML http://qdl.scs-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/6031.html?
He has the best,
most detailed explanations of the electrical formation and
features of planets, stars and galaxies that I know of. Do you
know of any better explanations than his for any cosmic or
geological phenomenon?
Sandstone Formation
Charles' papers at the link above explain the electrical forces
involved in Tides, Earthquakes, Vulcanism, and Crater Formation,
which helped shape the Earth's surface. But the sedimentary rock
strata were most likely formed by the Flood, not by "electric"
forces primarily. Conventional geology says much of the
sandstone was formed from desert sand dunes, but detailed
studies show that they were formed under water, like limestone
and shale. The paper, Startling evidence for Noah’s Flood:
Footprints and sand ‘dunes’ in a Grand Canyon sandstone! at
HTML http://creation.com/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood
shows in
detail why it is rather certain that sandstone was formed under
water. Read especially the sections called "Those footprints"
and "Desert ‘dunes’?" They explain that footprints in dunes do
not show toe prints or distinct features, but only depressions.
And the angles of dunes are different from sand waves
underwater. That's partly how they could determine the sandstone
formed under water.
__GRAND CANYON SAND DUNES
Webpage: Startling evidence for Noah’s Flood: Footprints and
sand ‘dunes’ in a Grand Canyon sandstone!
HTML http://creation.com/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood
=========================Postby Lloyd » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:45 pm
__NO OROGENY WITH GREAT FLOOD
Gordon, are you open to the possibility, as Mike Fischer
concludes, that mountain uplift and the Ice Age did not occur
till a few hundred years after the Great Flood? The deaths of
Arctic animals by sudden freezing, due to continental drift
moving two continents near to the north pole, and causing
mountain uplift at the same time, seems to require that the
Flood, which deposited nearly all of the fossil-bearing strata,
occurred enough time earlier for the animals to have repopulated
the Arctic region while it was still warm. I know you say Noah
was said to have witnessed mountain uplift, but could that have
been minor hills, or conflation of stories?
__SEDIMENTARY STRATA
Gordon & Brigit, The following seems to show that the 12 km deep
Kola borehole project found mostly igneous rock nearly all the
way down. There are some thin layers of sedimentary rock down to
6 km and a very thin layer at 7 km. There may be some melted
metamorphic rock that was formerly sedimentary down to 7 km.
Then it's just metamorphic rock that was formerly igneous, i.e.
granite below 7 km (or below 4.4 miles). Gordon, do you have
comments on this?
Data on the Kola Superdeep Borehole
HTML http://www.zmescience.com/other/great-pics/geographical-facts-youre-not-going-to-believe-22022010/
Graph:
HTML http://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/geolsection.gif
Proterozoic
0-1k) Augite Diabases with Pyroxene & Porphyrites
----- ([Igneous] Diabase = subvolcanic rock equivalent to
volcanic basalt or plutonic gabbro)
0>1k, 2>4k) Basic Tuffs & Tuffites
----- ([Igneous] predominantly pyroclasts = volcanic ash)
0>2k) Phyllites, Silkstones with Tuff layers
----- ([Metamorphic/Sedimentary] from shale, silt etc)
0>3k) Gabbro-Diabases
----- ([Igneous] See Diabase above)
0>3k) Laminated Sandstones
----- ([Sedimentary] from sand)
0>3-5k) Achnolitic Diabases
----- ([Igneous] See Diabase above)
0>5+6k) Dolomites, polynistic Sandstones
----- ([Sedimentary] from lime & sand)
4>5k) Sericitic Schists
----- ([Metamorphic] possibly from melted/hardened sand or
shale)
3>5-6k) Metadiabases
----- ([Metamorphic] diabase from [Igneous]: see Diabase above)
5>6-7k) Diabase Porphyrites & Schists
----- ([Igneous] See Diabase above; & [Metamorphic] see Schists
above)
6>7k) Conglomerates
----- ([Sedimentary] from cemented rounded rocks, larger than
sand grains)
6>7-12k) Muscovite-biotite-plagioclase gniesses with high
alumina content minerals
-AND Epidote-biotite-plagioclase gniesses with amphibolites,
amphibolite schists & ultramafites
----- ([Metamorphic] from Igneous granite or Sedimentary rock)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Tue Jan 12, 2016
3:51 am
The bore hole sampling confirms my assertion that the strata
below Cambrian are primordial, ie. original crust modified when
the first continent raised up above the global sea in Day 2, an
event which would have been accompanied by erosion and initial
depositional sequences, along with igneous upheaval and
intrusive/granitic formation, and "country" rock metamorphism
due to pressure and heat. Since life first appeared on the
surface of this continent, it is expected that there would be
limited fossils found in the "surface" layers of the
"Pre-Cambrian".
__GREAT FLOOD HUMAN FOSSILS
I do not believe there is any physical evidence for human
survival prior to the current era, but archaeology documents
migrational patterns [eg. "Clovis" group] from the middle
eastern sector to all other parts of the world.
Remember, fossil humans are a testament of death, not life.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Mon Jan 25, 2016
12:00 pm
Perhaps I should have said "genographics" instead of
archaeology... I think the two disciplines are mutually
supportive, however. Have you read this:
The Genographics Project
HTML https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/human-journey/
Also, who said humans all died by drowning, or that they died
simultaneously?
--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:56 pm
Come on now Webolife, you are clutching at straws here. That
part of E Africa is about as far from Sumer as I am in the UK.
You agree with their migration map while dismissing their
timeframe. The history (and archaeology) of the Middle East is a
story of peoples entering the region not leaving it (unless they
get kicked out).
I thought that this 'out of Africa' theory had died long ago. It
is based on the premise that the oldest remains found to date
are in fact the remains of the oldest 'humans'. It aint
necessarily so - especially as they have not searched anywhere
near the majority of the planet's land area (and then there is
the lands that have become submerged and the remains which
didn't get fossilised or got fossilised but didn't survive to
the present).
DNA is interpreted through the lens of Darwin's theory which I
believe you do not subscribe to. I have no time for Darwin nor
do I have any for the DNA circus. They have been doing 'science
by press-release' for decades now, hardly a week goes by without
some headline grabbing fantasy.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Mon Jan 25, 2016
4:25 pm
Perhaps it was careless of me to reference that National
Geographic site. My interest is primarily their unification of
the migrating people groups to a relatively small number of
"clans", and the general shape of their migration pattern.
I actually agree with you about the East Africa vs. Sumer
dichotomy; I see Sumer as the central distribution region. I
also agree with you that the rough and presumptive radiocarbon
and genetic drift timeframes are off. I have a "What if..."
attitude toward the use of the biblical record as a framework
for earth history, and have built my alternative modeling on
that premise. I see value in other cultural mythologies; but
that is your realm of expertise, not mine, so for now I am
content to read your intelligent synopses and critiques, and see
what new info I can glean from that.
My finding is that there are relatively few [perhaps dozens of]
good examples of fossilized pre-Flood humans [or from another
approach, few of them got fossilized], and how they died would
be largely a historical tradition, rather than a certainty based
on geologic evidence beyond that their fossils are generally
found in sedimentary deposits. You have undoubtedly found from
my previous posts that I view the flood as a complex of highly
hazardous happenings, not the least of which may have been death
by drowning.
____________________Postby webolife » Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:51 pm
__FLOOD RUNOFF
- Drift is more the result of a drainage process than of a
deluvial one. By which I mean [and claim] that the underlying
sedimentary formations were eroded by waters draining off in the
last stages of the flood event(s).
The materials largely derive from the underlying formations,
unlike the case of erratics which are carried by [probably]
continental glaciation from a more distant formation, eg.
granite from the Canadian Cascades landed in the Willamette
Valley in Oregon. So in the case of drift found on facing sides
of separated continents, I suggest that the various agents of
the flood [not only the tsunami action which you have taken to
focusing on] laid the underlying sediments in a similar fashion
on the lowlands of the [two] spreading continental masses, then
the later drainage action left the drift as a superficial
feature, after the majority of the spreading was done.
- I have little reason to doubt that major continental
glaciation happened across the young continents in the later
stage(s) of the flood and afterwards, and that other drainage
related phenomena also occurred at this time, ie. at the end of
and after the flooding. Glacial advance seems a good mechanism
for the creation of drumlins, striations and such, while glacial
retreat seems a suitable [and observable] mechanism for the
deposit of kames and eskers and other types of mounds, as well
as the very common and relatively superficial outwash deposits
[till]. Drumlins are not dunes. Windblown deposits are a result
of the global wind development that happened after [as a result
of] the flood dynamics, while the potholes and coulees of the
Pacific Northwest [Eastern Washington] happened during the later
retreat of the glaciation, with the breakage of an ice dam at
glacial Lake Missoula. I place the retreat of the glaciation
largely in the few centuries after the flood, and after the
continental drift surge.
**LK NOTE: See Carlson re ice dam theory is wrong.
#Post#: 31--------------------------------------------------
1. Sedimentary Rock Strata Formed by Megatsunamis
By: Admin Date: January 22, 2017, 7:47 pm
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UPDATE
_1) [1-2a] The Great Flood
GARDENER'S GREAT FLOOD - GREAT FLOOD - GREAT FLOOD - DURING
GREAT FLOOD - GRAY'S GREAT FLOOD - ..BROWN'S GREAT FLOOD ..GREAT
FLOOD VS GLACIATION
_1) =========================Postby Lloyd » Fri Dec 11, 2015
11:55 am
__GARDENER'S GREAT FLOOD
- Flood Deposited Strata. The Noah's Flood paper says the
sedimentary rock strata consist of 5 megasequences, where the
strata are conforming, meaning they're parallel to each other
like pages in a book, and there are 6 unconformities between
them, where strata immediately above and below each of them
don't conform, apparently because there was time for some
erosion to occur or the lower strata shifted or something. The
theory is that all of the conforming layers in each megasequence
were deposited about the same time by a 2,500 m high series of
tsunami waves, which calmed down for a few weeks, then happened
again 6 times, about once a month, so each megasequence was
followed by a pause, then another tsunami. Berthault's
experiments prove this is possible, if not probable. The strata
were deposited wet and it took many years to dry out and harden.
The tsunamis may have been caused by gravitational attraction to
a large body that was circling the Earth about once a month on
an elliptical orbit. The best candidates seem to be the Moon, or
Mars, or Venus.
- Either the animals immediately after the Flood survived on
Noah's ark or a space ship or something, or the Flood failed to
cover some of the land. As Mike Fischer says, the strata were
deposited during the Flood, but the mountain ranges didn't form
till a few centuries later, when the Shock Dynamics impact broke
up the supercontinent and caused some flooding too. As Gordon
says, the Grand Canyon eroded soon after the main Flood when the
two large lakes there, Grand Lake and Hopi Lake, drained through
the canyon. When the Shock Dynamics event occurred later, the
strata were folded into mountain ranges by compressive heating
after they were already somewhat hardened.
[1-2c] ..THICK ATMOSPHERE ..ROCK STRATA FORMATION - SEDIMENTARY
ROCK ORIGIN - ROCK FORMATION BY TSUNAMIS - GRAND CANYON SAND
DUNES - NO OROGENY WITH GREAT FLOOD - SEDIMENTARY STRATA - GREAT
FLOOD HUMAN FOSSILS ..FLOOD RUNOFF
__THICK ATMOSPHERE
- Earth's atmosphere was likely thicker before the Great Flood
cataclysm, so that the stars were not visible. Only the nearby
planets and the Sun were visible. Earth had no visible Moon
initially.
====================postby Lloyd » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:43 pm
__ROCK STRATA FORMATION
- 1. How did sedimentary rock strata form? ... The conventional
theory seems to be full of absurdities. The Great Flood theory
seems to be most logical to me, combined with the Shock Dynamics
theory.
- The conventional theory is that strata and fossils take
thousands to millions of years to form. But delicate fossils and
large ones could not form in conventional flood or sedimentation
events. I don't think it's even proven that conventional
sedimentation forms solid strata. There has to be a lot of lime
or other cementing agent available to form rock strata. I don't
know if rock can form under water until the water is drained
away. Most rock strata cover hundreds or thousands of square
miles. There would have to be a lot of very huge lakes that
filled with sediment. The sediment would have had to move over
the entire lake bottom with nearly equal thickness, whereas
normally sediment only accumulates near the mouths of rivers or
creeks. Erosion would have to bring in just sand with some lime
for thousands of years, then bring in just lime for thousands of
years, and then just mud for many more thousands of years,
because each rock type is usually separate in strata several
inches to feet thick. All of the mountains would be eroded down
in a few million years, so where would the older strata come
from? Would something keep building up mountains to get eroded
back down? Is anything besides a Shock Dynamics event capable of
building up mountains?
- Creation scientists have shown that a global flood would be
capable of cavitating the edges of a supercontinent to form
continent-wide strata of sand, lime and mud sediments via
tsunamis, caused by a large body temporarily orbiting the Earth
on a highly elliptical orbit, which would also fossilize large
and delicate organisms quickly.
__SEDIMENTARY ROCK ORIGIN
- [Sedimentary Rock Origin] Great Flood Videos
I was having a question lately about where all the sand, mud and
lime would have come from if the sedimentary rock layers on
continents were all formed during the Great Flood. After hearing
the following video explain it, it seems it should have been
obvious: they came largely from the seafloors. I wasn't thinking
of the possibility that the oceans could have been stirred up
enough to move much of the sediments from the seafloors onto the
land.
Here are my Notes on the Flood Video called The Worldwide Flood
- Geologic Evidences: youtube.com/watch?v=jwGgSNDPhO0
3'37": Evidence: If there was a Great Flood, the ocean waters
could have flooded the continents, bringing along sand, mud and
ocean creatures.
5'20": Tapeats Sandstone, Redwall Limestone and Coconino
Sandstone belong to 5 megasequences of strata that cover much of
North America.
5'42": Tapeats covers about 2/3 of U.S. and part of western
Canada. It's also found in Israel.
6'24": Redwall having same features and fossils is found in AZ,
TN, PA, England, Himalayas near Nepal,
7'00": Cretacious chalk, over 1,000 ft thick in places, is found
in Ireland, S. England, Europe, Egypt, Turkey, Western Australia
and in the U.S. from NE to TX.
8'40": Coconino, 300 ft thick, has crossbedding diagonal to the
horizontal strata formed from underwater sand dune waves with
the tops washed off.
10'53": Coconino covers from AZ to KS to TX. The sand waves
started at 60 ft high each in water moving 3-5 mph. Coconino was
deposited in a few days. The entire Grand Canyon strata were
deposited in a few months.
12'54": Ayers Rock in central Australia is sandstone with nearly
vertical strata with grains of different sizes, angular and some
delicate, meaning they were deposited rapidly (from 60 miles
away).
15'57": Ayers sandstone is over 18,000 ft thick. It was
deposited within hours by turbidity currents moving up to 70
mph.
20'00": Coconino is over Hermit shale. Shale is hardened mud.
Coconino sand came from Canada
22'00": Navajo sandstone in s. Utah lies over Coconino. Navajo
sand contains zircons and quartz eroded from mountains of PA and
NY.
23'00": Sand waves are direction indicators, indicating that
Flood waters flowed during the Paleozoic over the Americas from
n.e. to s.w. The same direction of flow occurred on the other
continents too.
Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=pMSSwoJFq-8
3'58": The main strata of the Grand Canyon contain marine
fossils. Redwall limestone is in the middle, containing many sea
animals. It's 7 ft thick and over 180 miles wide.
8'20": In France there are similar sea animals buried with
amphibians, spiders, scorpions, millipedes, insects and
reptiles. There's similar mixture in CO along with birds etc.
Similar in WY.
11'00": In Tasmania an 80 ft thick stratum contains broken
shells, a toothed whale and a possum.
17'12": 7 trillion tons of vegetation are buried in the world's
coal beds. Same coal beds in the U.S. extend also from England
to Russia.
... Delicate creatures are preserved. Some fish are preserved
right after eating another fish, or giving birth, as evidence of
rapid burial.
Video: The Mystery of Coal: youtube.com/watch?v=GlNudoEPSsM
This says coal consists largely of pieces of tree bark, wood,
leaves etc. Peat bogs don't contain that, so coal doesn't come
from there, despite the popular theory. But in Spirit Lake after
the Mt. St. Helens eruption there was found layers of tree bark
on the bottom, while the tree logs were floating on top.
Video: Extraordinary Evidence that Dinosaurs Lived with Man:
youtube.com/watch?v=dWe3cteDuBc
It says 95% of fossils are from marine invertibrates. 4.5% are
from plants and algae. Vertibrates make up .0125%. This isn't
widely mentioned, because it gives the impression of a Flood
Deposit.
__SEDIMENTARY STRATA
Gordon & Brigit, The following seems to show that the 12 km deep
Kola borehole project found mostly igneous rock nearly all the
way down. There are some thin layers of sedimentary rock down to
6 km and a very thin layer at 7 km. There may be some melted
metamorphic rock that was formerly sedimentary down to 7 km.
Then it's just metamorphic rock that was formerly igneous, i.e.
granite below 7 km (or below 4.4 miles). Gordon, do you have
comments on this?
Data on the Kola Superdeep Borehole
HTML http://www.zmescience.com/other/great-pics/geographical-facts-youre-not-going-to-believe-22022010/
Graph:
HTML http://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/geolsection.gif
Proterozoic
0-1k) Augite Diabases with Pyroxene & Porphyrites
----- ([Igneous] Diabase = subvolcanic rock equivalent to
volcanic basalt or plutonic gabbro)
0>1k, 2>4k) Basic Tuffs & Tuffites
----- ([Igneous] predominantly pyroclasts = volcanic ash)
0>2k) Phyllites, Silkstones with Tuff layers
----- ([Metamorphic/Sedimentary] from shale, silt etc)
0>3k) Gabbro-Diabases
----- ([Igneous] See Diabase above)
0>3k) Laminated Sandstones
----- ([Sedimentary] from sand)
0>3-5k) Achnolitic Diabases
----- ([Igneous] See Diabase above)
0>5+6k) Dolomites, polynistic Sandstones
----- ([Sedimentary] from lime & sand)
4>5k) Sericitic Schists
----- ([Metamorphic] possibly from melted/hardened sand or
shale)
3>5-6k) Metadiabases
----- ([Metamorphic] diabase from [Igneous]: see Diabase above)
5>6-7k) Diabase Porphyrites & Schists
----- ([Igneous] See Diabase above; & [Metamorphic] see Schists
above)
6>7k) Conglomerates
----- ([Sedimentary] from cemented rounded rocks, larger than
sand grains)
6>7-12k) Muscovite-biotite-plagioclase gniesses with high
alumina content minerals
-AND Epidote-biotite-plagioclase gniesses with amphibolites,
amphibolite schists & ultramafites
----- ([Metamorphic] from Igneous granite or Sedimentary rock)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Tue Jan 12, 2016
3:51 am
The bore hole sampling confirms my assertion that the strata
below Cambrian are primordial, ie. original crust modified when
the first continent raised up above the global sea in Day 2, an
event which would have been accompanied by erosion and initial
depositional sequences, along with igneous upheaval and
intrusive/granitic formation, and "country" rock metamorphism
due to pressure and heat. Since life first appeared on the
surface of this continent, it is expected that there would be
limited fossils found in the "surface" layers of the
"Pre-Cambrian".
<>__BROWN'S GREAT FLOOD
- WALTER BROWN'S FLOOD INFO
I don't find Brown's Hydroplate theory to be plausible, but his
online book has a lot of good flood info
- LIQUEFACTION
- Liquefaction During the Flood
- SUMMARY: Liquefaction ... played a major role in rapidly
sorting sediments, plants, and animals during the flood. Indeed,
the worldwide presence of sorted fossils and sedimentary layers
shows that a gigantic global flood occurred. Massive
liquefaction also left other diagnostic features such as
cross-bedded sandstone, plumes, mounds, and fossilized
footprints.
- The Origin of Strata and Layered Fossils
What would happen to buried animals and plants in temporarily
liquefied sediments?
- As we will see, fluid-like sediments produced a buoyancy that
largely explains why fossils show a degree of vertical sorting
and why sedimentary rocks all over the world are typically so
sharply layered. During liquefaction [common with water
saturated soil during earthquakes], denser particles sink and
lighter particles (and dead organisms, soon to become fossils)
float up — until a liquefaction lens is encountered. Lenses of
water form along nearly horizontal paths if the sediments below
those horizontal paths are more permeable than those above, so
more water flows up into each lens than out through its roof.
Sedimentary particles and dead organisms buried in the sediments
were sorted and resorted into vast, thin layers.
- STRATA FORMATION
- A sedimentary layer often spans hundreds of thousands of
square miles. (River deltas, where sediment thicknesses grow
most rapidly [in modern times], are a tiny fraction of that
area.) Liquefaction during a global flood would account for the
vast expanse of these thick layers. Current processes and eons
of time do not.
- One thick, extensive sedimentary layer has remarkable purity.
The St. Peter sandstone, spanning about 500,000 square miles in
the central United States, is composed of almost pure quartz,
similar to sand on a white beach. It is hard to imagine how any
geologic process, other than global liquefaction, could achieve
this degree of purity over such a wide area.21 Almost all other
processes involve mixing, which destroys purity.
- Today, sediments are usually deposited in and by rivers —
along a narrow line. However, individual sedimentary rock layers
are spread over large geographical areas, not on long narrow,
streamlike paths. Liquefaction during the flood acted on all
sediments and sorted them over wide areas in weeks or months.
<>... WATER HAMMERS ...
- Water hammers occur, often with a loud bang, when a fluid
flowing in a pipe is suddenly stopped (or slowed) by closing (or
narrowing) a valve, such as a faucet. A water hammer is similar
to the collision of a long train. The faster and more massive
the flowing volume of water, the greater the sudden compression
(or pressure pulse) throughout the pipe as the water is slowed
or stopped. A water hammer concentrates energy, just as a hammer
striking a nail concentrates energy and produces forces many
times greater than a resting hammer.
<>- FLUTTER
- Vibrations often begin when a fluid (a liquid or gas) flows
along a relatively thin, flexible surface, such as the wing of
an airplane or a flat plate. If (a) the flowing fluid
continually “thumps” or pushes the flexible surface back toward
its neutral position, and (b) the “thumping” frequency
approaches any natural frequency of the wing or plate, large,
potentially damaging oscillations (or resonances), called
flutter, can occur.
- Water [moving] beneath earth’s crust [in large caves and
aquifers along with tidal waves over the crust] during the flood
caused the crust to flutter, and its large area gave it great
flexibility. Each narrowing of the subsurface flow channel by
the vibrating crust slowed [vast amounts] of water and produced
water hammers that “thumped” the crust at each of its natural
frequencies. Undulations rippled throughout the crust, producing
other water hammers, more undulations, pulsations ..., and huge
flutter amplitudes. Most people have heard water pipes banging
or have seen pipes burst when only a few cubic feet of water
were slowed. Imagine the excruciating pressures from rapidly
slowing a “moving underground ocean.”12
<>- SEDIMENT SOURCE/S
- Sediments, such as sand and clay, are produced by eroding
crystalline rock, such as granite or basalt. Sedimentary rocks
are cemented sediments. On the continents, they average more
than a mile in thickness. Today, two-thirds of continental
surface rocks are sedimentary; one-third is crystalline. Was
crystalline rock, eroded at earth’s surface, the source of the
original sediments? If it was, the first blanket of eroded
sediments would prevent that rock from producing additional
sediments. The more sediments produced, the fewer the sediments
that could be produced. Exposed crystalline rock would disappear
long before all today’s sediments and sedimentary rocks could
form. Transporting those new sediments, often great distances,
is another difficulty. Clearly, most sediments did not come from
the earth’s surface. ...
<>- [I see 4 possibilities for the source of sand and clay
sediments. They could have come from:
1. erosion of the granite continental shelf of the
supercontinent;
2. erosion of the basalt ocean floor;
3. erosion of subsurface granite or basalt;
4. precipitation of detritus from space.
The first is Baumgardner's theory. The second is other
creationists' view. The third is Brown's. The last is Cardona's,
with Saturn flares being the specific source. #1 seems the most
plausible, since megatsunamis caused by a planetoidal/asteroidal
tidal pull would mostly affect the supercontinental shelf,
probably in the western Pacific around Asia. Baumgardner
explained that high velocity water, as in a megatsunami, causes
cavitation, which can rapidly erode solid rock via vacuum
pressure. But the shelf may also have contained a lot of sand
and clay from normal rain erosion of the supercontinent for
thousands or millions of years. That could be moved even more
easily by "tidal waves".]
<>- MOUNDS
- Liquefaction Plumes and Mounds. The large water content of
liquefied sand layers (40%) would have made them quite buoyant.
Whenever a low-density, fluid layer (such as a water-sand
mixture) underlies a denser, liquefied layer, the lighter fluid,
if shaken, will float up in plumes through the denser fluid.
Sand plumes that penetrated overlying layers are seen in many
places on earth.
- During the [flood], liquefied water-sand mixtures in many
places erupted like small volcanoes. Being surrounded and
permeated by water, they would have quickly slumped into the
shape of an upside-down bowl — a liquefaction mound. As the
flood waters drained at the end of the flood, most liquefaction
mounds were swept away, because they did not have time to be
cemented. However, mounds inside postflood lakes (basins) were
cemented as each lake cooled and its dissolved silica and
calcium carbonate were forced out of solution. If a lake later
breached and dumped its water, the larger cemented mounds could
resist the torrent of rushing water and retain their shapes. The
basins that held Grand and Hopi Lakes contain hundreds of such
mounds. The sudden breaching of those lakes several centuries
after the flood carved the Grand Canyon.
<>- Ayers Rock ... in central Australia ... has characteristics
of both a broad liquefaction plume and a liquefaction mound.
<>- Missing Mesozoic STRATUM
- Actually, cutting through the Kaibab Plateau is a relatively
minor problem, and carving the entire Grand Canyon is not even
half the problem. The Grand Canyon’s rim consists of hard Kaibab
Limestone, typically 350 feet thick. When you walk to the
canyon’s edge to look down, you are standing on Kaibab
Limestone. It extends away from the canyon in all directions,
covering about 10,000 square miles. However, rising 1,000 feet
above this Kaibab Limestone at a few dozen isolated spots are
softer (crumbly or weakly cemented) Mesozoic rocks; they are
always capped on top by a very hard rock, such as lava.
Obviously, lava did not flow up to the top; lava, which flows
downhill, collected in a depression and hardened. Later, a
fast-moving sheet of water flowed over northern Arizona and
swept all the soft Mesozoic rock off the hard Kaibab Limestone —
except for the few dozen spots capped and protected by hard
rock.
<>- Why must it have been a sheet of water? Falling rain would
cut only channels. Flowing rivers or streams, even if they
meandered for millions of years, would not uniformly sweep 1,000
feet or more of material off almost all of these 10,000 square
miles of the fairly flat Kaibab Limestone. Besides, meandering
rivers would produce meandering patterns. Therefore, before you
can excavate 800 cubic miles of rock below the rim to form the
Grand Canyon, something must sweep off almost all the Mesozoic
rock above — a much larger excavation project. Surprisingly, the
Mesozoic rock has also been swept off the Kaibab Plateau. How
could water get so high? Maybe the sweeping process — the Great
Denudation — occurred before the Kaibab Plateau rose. [YES! The
plateau and all mountain ranges were uplifted after a large
asteroid impact split up the supercontinent, apparently a short
time after the flood.]
<>=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:57
pm
__GREAT FLOOD
Flood Legends From Around the World
HTML http://nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html
I rearranged them to show them from East to West and North to
South, pretty much.
D = Destruction by Water
. --- G = (God) Divine Cause
. --- ----- W = Warning Given
. --- --- --- --- H = Humans Spared
. --- --- --- --- ----- A = Animals Spared
. --- --- --- --- --- --- --- V = Saved in a Vessel
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 32 U.S.A.- Hawaiians
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 33 Vanualu- Melanesians
D --- G --- W --- H --- A --- . --- 14 French Polynesia- Raiatea
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 13 Fiji- Walavu-levu
tradition
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 26 New Zealand- Maori
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 01 Australia- Kurnai
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 05 Borneo- Sea Dayak
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 09 China- Lolo
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 23 Malay Peninsula- Jekun
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 34 Vietnam- Bahnar
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 06 Burma- Singpho
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 18 India- Andaman Islands
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 19 India- Bhil
D --- G --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 20 India- Kamar
D --- . --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 28 Russia- Vogul
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- . --- 21 Iran- Zend-Avesta
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 02 Babylon- Berossus'
account
D --- G --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 03 Babylon- Gilgamesh epic
D --- G --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 11 East Africa- Masai
D --- G --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 12 Egypt- Book of the Dead
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 15 Greece- Lucian's account
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 22 Italy- Ovid's poetry
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 35 Wales- Dwyfan/Dwyfan
legend
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 17 Iceland- Eddas
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 07 Canada- Cree
D --- G --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 08 Canada- Montagnais
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 29 U.S.A. (Alaska)-
Kolusches
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 30 U.S.A. (Alaska)- Tlingit
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 31 U.S.A. (Arizona)- Papago
D --- . --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 24 Mexico- Codex
Chimalpopoca
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 25 Mexico- Huichol
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 10 Cuba- original natives
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 16 Guyana- Macushi
D --- G --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 04 Bolivia- Chiriguano
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- . --- 27 Peru- Indians of
Huarochiri
35 -- 18 -- 17 -- 35 -- 24 -- 32 -- Total Occurrences out of 35
The G's and W's are irrelevant to me, but I didn't feel like
making the effort to remove them.
<X>--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:03
pm
Deucalion's flood was caused by a lake escaping from its
location due to earthquake. I also mentioned the Welsh 'flood'
which was actually about a town sinking. There is a similar
French tale about Lys(?).
many ancient peoples speak of alternating catastrophes of flood
and fire. That which causes flood comes from the direction of
one constellation and that which causes fire comes from the
direction of a different constellation. Of the top of my head I
think fire is Cancer.
<X>As I've mentioned, my current focus is on the LBA collapse. I
do not see any flood there - electrics and lots of fire, yes.
--------------------Postby Roshi » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:55 pm
Flood stories from around the world:
HTML http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html
Wintu (north central California); Papago (Arizona).
<>__GRAY'S GREAT FLOOD
HTML http://beforeus.com
- ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS
001. Deserts from nuclear war?
002. Former civilizations in Antarctica, Greenland
003. Ancient underground tunnels useful today?
004. Ancient micro technology
005. World maps before "discoverers" came
006. Changes in maps
007. Pre-Aboriginal paintings in Australia
008. Tut's gold from Australia?
009. Micro technology
010. The Black Knight
011. Ancient Chinese were that "mysterious" race?
012. Ancient voyage India to Rome?
013. Tunnels explored to the end?
015. The catacombs of Rome
016. Help! No ancient tunnel pictures!
017. Ancient civilizations and God
018. Religious beliefs of ancient races
019. Ancient giants - mere fantasy?
EARTH CHANGES
301. Earth's last flip-over
302. Sun and earth
303. The continents divided
304. Fitting of the continents
305. How Antarctica became frozen
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