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3 = [1-2b] The Great Flood: Asteroid Bombardment
By: Admin Date: January 7, 2017, 7:18 pm
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[1-2b] - 5 MONTH BOMBARDMENT - 5 MONTH BOMBARDMENT - ASTEROID
BOMBARDMENT - 7. ASTEROID BOMBARDMENT
__5 MONTH BOMBARDMENT
- Can you explain though how Earth could get hit by asteroids
for 5 months? Did the Earth move through the asteroid belt? ...
__5 MONTH BOMBARDMENT
... I believe a large planetoid or comet came into tidal
proximity to the earth causing widespread upheaval and accretion
of mass to the earth in the form of the "matar" -- the Chicxulub
was just one of many; in my imagination, the body would have
broken up and send bits tumbling to earth.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:35 pm
- Asteroid Bombardment
- Webb said: Astroblemes ... can be associated stratum by
stratum with the geologic column from the Cambrian forward ...
[but none] in the Pre-Cambrian
- It would be good to have a table of astroblemes with
coordinates and strata locations. Here's a list in French:
HTML http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/impactlistecrateres2.htm.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:34 pm
__ASTEROID BOMBARDMENT
- Looks like this site may be the best list online of global
astroblemes etc:
HTML http://www.wondermondo.com/Best/World/ListImpactCraters.htm.
It
shows Ages attributed to each crater, which I assume means what
strata they are located in. I looked through the numbers a bit
and they seem to cover a long period of Ages, which I think
means most of the sedimentary strata on the continents, as
Gordon said.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Sun Nov 08, 2015
9:31 pm
- The list does include some Precambrian aged sites, which is
convenient since in my scenario, the initial "matar" impacts
would have been on the "Precambrian" pre-flood supercontinent.
... long epochs are the backbone of the standard model, yet
virtually all the [non-existent] evidence for them lies in the
hiatus between otherwise conformable strata!
__- 7. ASTEROID BOMBARDMENT
LK: Do you think it's possible that the apparent Asteroid
Bombardment (matar) during the Great Flood was due to Earth
crossing the Asteroid Belt? What would preclude that?
- Don't you think the Bombardment would have caused the flood
and continental drift?
GW: I think the flood and drift event [singular] was directly
connected with earth interacting with planetoidal bodies. A
glimpse at the the earth's placement with respect to the present
known asteroids shows that no exotic explanation about the
earth's transposition is necessary [like Earth crossing the
Asteroid Belt? - LK]. Several possibilities here:
a. A planet swung by Earth (perhaps Venus, which is currently in
a tidally phased rotation pattern with Earth), knocking Earth's
rotation into a wobble
b. A planet swept through the asteroids, disrupting whatever was
there and sending bits streaming by Earth
c. A comet collided with the earth breaking up as it neared,
causing the preponderance of the "matar" to fall over the 5
month time
LK: Wouldn't the same event have been the cause of the
bombardment on the Moon and possibly on Mars and many other
bodies? So, if so, that suggests that they all went through the
Asteroid belt to me. Not you?
GW: Why not? My studies have mainly been terrestrial, but the
evidence abounds elsewhere in the solar system! But again, the
asteroids are really all around us, and a major disruption in
the belt could have affected earth as I suggested, but that's
just one of many possible scenarios.
CC: I'm not sure I agree that the flood was caused by ET events,
but I agree that something came through and upset a lot of apple
carts. Recently I've been studying the similarity between the
mares on the Moon and on Mars. I rather think that both of them
got re-melted by something, instead of the mares filling up with
lava flows. But the chance of two different bodies undergoing
the exact same process, at exactly the same time (i.e., toward
the end of the Late Heavy Bombardment) is relatively slight. So
I think that something triggered them both. It could have been
the thermalization of the impacts of the Bombardment, or
gravitational deformation from a large body passing by.
- By "Late Heavy Bombardment", I'm just referring to all of the
impact craters on the Moon and on Mars, and the fact that there
are many of them in the highlands, but only a few in the
lowlands. This means that the lowlands on both the Moon and on
Mars were both molten at the same time.
LK: What's the evidence for melting on the mares and on Mars?
CC: It's just the flatness of the mares, and the absence of
source volcanoes.
LK: Do you know of evidence of melting in the Moon rocks?
CC: Ummm... I don't know. What would be the difference between
my "melting" and the volcanism in the standard model?
LK: Conventional vulcanism comes through volcanoes, except for
flood basalts.
CC: So in megaflow eruptions, there isn't going to be an extinct
volcano left afterwards, is that correct?
GW: The highly fluid nature of flood basalt is such that no
cones were formed and the originating vents are left submerged
and invisible to the investigator.
CC: Gordon, what would be the make/break telltale signs that the
mares on the Moon and on Mars would definitely be megaflows, and
not just general re-melting of the bodies due to some other
energy source (such as tidal deformation)?
GW: An astronaut geologist needs to observe the basalt flows to
see columnar jointing below and vesicular pattern above, then I
would know the maria are mega flows; until then I'm open to any
good explanations, such as yours:-)
CC: Is the columnar jointing a result of crystalization, or is
it something else?
GW: Cooling of the flow is approximately uniform over the entire
surface of the flow, causing a shrinkage pattern that produces
the roughly hexagonal columns. The sides of the columns are
conchoidal, but the tops are relatively flat where the top part
of the flow [vesicular basalt] gets eroded away. Since there is
no erosion on the Moon, this structure would have to be exposed
in profile somewhere for the astro-geologist to see.
LK: Aren't there closeup images of any of the mares, or aren't
there even Apollo landing sites there, which would be clear
enough to tell what caused the flat surface?
CC: It sounds like the make/break evidence that I'm looking for
would then be just the vesicular pattern. Is basalt too low in
viscosity for this? In other words, I can understand air bubbles
being trapped in felsic magma, and still being in the ejecta,
leaving such characteristics after cooling. But what if the lava
had plenty of time to out-gas -- would it still be vesicular?10
GW: Right, no it would not be vesicular, but the rapidly cooling
top surface of each flow is more brittle than the columnar
"underbelly"... The analogy I use for students is like pouring
coke into a glass, then rapidly freezing the glass...the
crystals would be characteristic in the bottom of the glass, but
full of airpockets above. This is a different picture than what
you are describing I think?
CC: Well, I was just trying to see if there was any way of
ruling out any of the various possibilities. BTW, as you know,
without much of an atmosphere on either the Moon or Mars, the
lava wouldn't have cooled quickly, because there wouldn't have
been much thermal conduction, nor much convection to transport
the heat away. So it sounds like the lava (if that's what it
was) would have had plenty of time to out-gas.
GW: I agree with you on the convection point. Regardless, the
columnar pattern should show up if it's basalt.
LK: Charles said the Moon is made of granite, like the Earth's
continents.
CC: Actually, they have found both granite and basalt on the
Moon, is that correct?
- BTW, I'm currently reconsidering whether or not I actually
believe that the Moon impacted the Earth. The reason is because
of the remelting that occurred at the same time as Mars (if
that's what it was). This would mean that the Moon couldn't have
been involved in such a catastrophic collision, or it would have
been totally remelted, and there wouldn't be any highlands left.
LK: Charles, you said in your papers that Earth's and the Moon's
granites are a lot alike, more than any other planets. Didn't
you? What would account for that?
CC: Yes, but I'm just no longer sure that it's necessarily quite
that simple. If there are basalts on the Moon, especially in the
mares, then it isn't that the Moon is made entirely of the same
stuff as the Earth's continents.
LK: Maybe Earth's basalt and granite ALL came from the
protoMoon.
CC: Yes, that's possible.
GW: I'm on the side of Charles' mind change; I don't accept the
collision theory of Moon and Earth, nor for that matter the
ejected Moon theory.
LK: I linked to some lunar images. Check them out a few lines
below. See the links?
- Charles, do you have a very clear idea how a close approach
between "planets" would cause melting of the surfaces?
CC: I don't know what you mean by "very clear", but I was
thinking that the thermalization of tidal deformation might do
it. This is generally considered to be elastic deformation,
which doesn't produce heat, but in my model, it is driving
telluric currents, which could remelt the crust.
LK: Okay, that makes plenty of sense.
- And could Mars have approached closely to the Moon, as EU
theorists sometimes speculate, and could that produce melted
surfaces?
GW: Due to the tidally syncopated rotations of Earth and Venus,
I suspect this was the near approach involved, which could have
thrown Mars into its highly elliptical orbit as well as
disrupting both the surfaces of Mars and the Moon.
LK: Gordon, can you tell anything about melting from this lunar
mare image?
HTML http://cseligman.com/text/moons/humorum.jpg
Or this one?
HTML http://cseligman.com/text/moons/rille.jpg
GW: Not really...
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