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       2a. TB/Dating Methods
       By: Admin Date: January 23, 2017, 11:10 am
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       2a. Dating Methods Are Largely Way Off
       « on: January 22, 2017, 09:00:07 pm »
       _2) [1-2a] The Great Flood
       - DATING METHODS - DATING METHODS - CATACLYSM DATING -
       RADIOMETRIC DATING - 4. DATING METHODS - PART 1: DATING ANCIENT
       CATACLYSM/S - RADIOMETRIC DATING - C14 DATING - C14 DATING
       ..CATACLYSM DATING ..CATACLYSM DATING
       GARDENER'S GREAT FLOOD - GREAT FLOOD - GREAT FLOOD - DURING
       GREAT FLOOD - GRAY'S GREAT FLOOD - ..BROWN'S GREAT FLOOD ..GREAT
       FLOOD VS GLACIATION
       __DATING METHODS
       - NO C-14 IN COAL
       -C-14 dating is generally accurate to within 150 years, or up to
       250 years.
       -Most results are rendered invalid by absorption, leaching,
       cosmic radiation, and a proven varied rate of decay.
       -Balloon soundings show that much more C-14 is still being
       formed than is decaying. This could be so only if the process
       had BEGUN RECENTLY. Dr. Cook calculates an age for our
       atmosphere of no more than 10,000 years.
       [Nobel Prize medalist Melvin Cook determined that carbon 14 was
       still building up, which could only happen if the process had
       begun recently. He calculates that the discrepancy between
       formation and decay indicates an age for our atmosphere of no
       more than 10,000 years. The likelihood that carbon 14 was
       produced at a rate up to three times greater in the past, would
       reduce this figure to a mere 6000 to 7000 years. {Cook, M.A. “Do
       Radiological Clocks need Repair”, Creation Research Society
       Quarterly, vol. 5, October 1968, p.70}
  HTML https://pmredmond.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/from-adam-and-eve-to-the-present-aug-2120121.pdf
       - See also The Killing of Paradise Planet by Jonathan Gray at
  HTML https://www.scribd.com/document/114899907/The-Killing-of-Paradise-Planet
       - and SURPRISE WITNESS: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED DURING THE FLOOD by
       Jonathan Gray at
  HTML https://www.scribd.com/document/114899464/Surprise-Witness
       ]
       -REASON FOR DISCREPANCIES: A PAST COSMIC DISASTER
       -Plants and animals did not absorb any radiocarbon 14 before the
       Disaster, Because the band of moisture filtered the rays out
       before they ever reached the nitrogen in the earth’s atmosphere.
       That’s why scientists found no C14 in the coal.
       =========================Postby Lloyd » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:16
       pm
       __DATING METHODS
       - Dating Methods Inaccurate
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       - Henry Faul admits: MOST of the ages obtained by the
       lead/thorium method DISAGREE with the ages of the same minerals
       computed by other lead methods (Henry Faul, Nuclear Geology).
       Age estimates on a given geological stratum by different
       radiometric methods are often quite different. A skeleton from
       California was estimated at 70,000 years old (by partic acid
       racemization) (World Archaeology, vol.7, 1975, p.160). In 1981
       this age was revised to 8,300 to 9,000 years (by uranium dating)
       (Science, vol.213, 28 August, 1981, p.1003). In 1983 samples of
       the same skeleton were dated at 3,500 to 5,000 years (by
       radiocarbon dating) (Science, vol.220, 17 June, 1983, p.1271).
       - In eight separate tests, scientists dated samples of rock –
       and arrived at ages of 160 million to 3 billion years. These
       specimens, from Kaupelehu, Hualalai Volcano, Hawaii, were later
       found to have formed in a lava flow only 168 years earlier, in
       1801. (Science, vol.162, p.265. Journal of Geophysical Research,
       vol.73, p.4601. American Journal of Science, vol.262, p.154).
       - Muscle tissue from beneath the scalp of a mummified musk ox in
       Fairbanks Creek, Alaska, was dated at 24,000 years; hair from a
       hind limb of the same animal was dated at 7,200 years.
       - [Ice cores] In 1942, during World War II, some war planes
       landed in Greenland. In 1990, they were found covered by 263
       feet of ice in 48 years! 263 feet divided by 48 years is ice
       growth of about 5.5 feet per year. Divide 10,000 feet by 5.5 and
       it's 1,824 years for ALL of the ice to build up.
       Note: those planes did not sink into the ice, due to pressure on
       the ice. The ice had grown OVER them.
       (
  HTML http://www.thelostsquadron.com
       ). Cardin saw Many hundreds of
       layers of ice… dark – light – dark – light, above the airplane.
       That’s not summer and winter. It’s warm – cold – warm – cold.
       You can get ten of those in one day. Yet, the scientific elite
       was still calling them annual rings in 1998 (Scientific
       American, February 1998, p.82).
       - Radioactive “Dating” Failure
       Recent New Zealand Lava Flows Yield “Ages” of Millions of Years
  HTML https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/radioactive-dating-failure/
       - Radiometric Dating: Epic Failure
  HTML http://rkbentley.blogspot.com/2014/11/radiometric-dating-epic-failure.html
       Mt. St. Helen's erupted in 1980. As far as volcanoes go, it was
       a rather tame eruption but it was one of the larger ones to
       happen in this generation. Because of its size and occurrence in
       our lifetimes, it's been the subject of much scientific inquiry.
       Dr. Steven Austin, a creationist and PhD geologist, collected
       rock samples formed in the eruption and had them tested using
       the potassium/argon dating method. The results on different
       samples gave ages between .35 (+/- .05) and 2.8 (+/- .6) million
       years. The known age of the rocks was 10 years old.
       - More on Faulty Dating Methods (from 1st post)
  HTML https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/radiometric-dating-problems-with-the-assumptions/
  HTML http://creationtoday.org/radiometric-dating-is-it-accurate/
  HTML http://cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html
  HTML http://www.icr.org/creation-radiometric/
       _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Wed Nov 04, 2015
       3:29 pm
       __RADIOMETRIC DATING
       there are millions of fossils found in museums all over the
       world ... why is it that the vast majority of those fossils are
       identifiable by currently existing groups of animals [and
       plants, etc.]? There are more variations within families of
       organism existing today than there are transitional features
       found in [supposedly billions of years of] the fossil record! So
       without this missing data, the fossil record becomes one of not
       change, but of mass destruction/extinction of creatures in the
       past. ... I realized that the extant evidence actually points to
       catastrophic events predominating the geologic history of the
       earth. I started by questioning the presumptions of radiometric
       dating, not the least of which is that without knowing the
       initial conditions of the parent elements, the ratio of daughter
       elements is inconclusive at best. ... if one assumes that the
       initial state of naturally occurring uranium were that of 50/50
       mixture with lead [isotopes do not help this dilemma], as is
       observed throughout the earth and solar system, then a natural
       conclusion would be that the earth was very recently formed. ...
       =========================Postby Lloyd » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:43
       am
       __C14 DATING
       Question on C14 Dating for Webb
       Gordon, THE EXTINCTION OF THE MAMMOTH at
  HTML http://immanuelvelikovsky.com/Mammoth_01052014.pdf
       which Nick
       discussed, says on pp. 214-5
       "However, the strongest evidence from radiocarbon testing to
       support man being in the New World also came [from] Pedra
       Furada. Charcoal from the deepest fireplace in the strata gave
       dates of 3,700 ± 830 years and 32,160 ± 1,000 years.
       Furthermore, an entire series of radiocarbon dates consistently
       became older as the researchers dug deeper into the site, going
       from 6,160, 7,750, 7,640, 8,050, 8,450, 11,000, 17,000, 21,400,
       23,500, 25,000, 25,200, 26,300, 26,400, 27,000, 29,860, 31,700
       to 32,160 years B.P.555 These dates becoming older with depth
       were just what was later found at Meadowcroft rockshelter
       Pennsylvania...."
       555 N. Guidon, G. Delibrias, "Carbon-14 dates point to man in
       the Americas 32,000 years ago," Nature, Vol. 321, (1986), pp.
       769-771.
       - I'm assuming that all of those datings are incorrect and that
       the sediments were all deposited about the same time probably
       after the Great Flood. But I also assume that the carbon-14
       ratios may vary with depth. Or is that untrue? Here's another
       quote from the book on p. 213.
       "As Dr. Roger Wescott told me when I spoke with him by telephone
       about this on April 17, 1997, radiocarbon always gives a
       scattered set of dates. The theorists then pick the ones that
       they believe to be correct."
       - Do you know if any objective tests have been done to see if
       the ratios do change with depth? Or is it more likely that the
       ratios are fairly random and that scientists just pick the dates
       they like from the "scattered set of dates" that the testing
       produces? If the ratios really do change with depth, then we'd
       need to determine why that is, but if they're actually rather
       random, then we'd need to find proof of this randomness. Eh?
       _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Sat Dec 26, 2015
       3:28 pm
       __C14 DATING
       Archaeologically, C14 should logically show greater ages as you
       go deeper in a dig. But I have proposed that prior to the deluge
       the atmospheric structure prevented the mixing of C14 from the
       upper atmosphere where it is produced to the biosphere where it
       is incorporated into living systems. So the influx of C14 after
       the deluge would result in rapidly "decreasing" age results as
       you date objects further past the end of the deluge. The
       uniformitarian assumptions behind standard radiocarbon dating
       yield might a result of 30,000 BP based on the low C14 count
       where I would propose ~6000 or so BP.
       ====================postby Lloyd » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:56 pm
       __CATACLYSM DATING
       - Gordon, do you know why the Younger Dryas is conventionally
       dated at about 12,000 years ago? Do you think it should be dated
       after the Great Flood, about 4,200 years ago? If so, what is
       some of the best evidence for that? In some of the first posts
       on this thread I listed some of Jonathan Gray's reasons for
       dating the Flood to 4,300 some years ago. I'd like to be able to
       persuade Mike Fischer to change his timeline, if there's better
       evidence than what I've seen so far.
       ____________________Postby webolife » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:09 am
       - Timelines will always be conjectural and controversial. I'm
       good with standard C14 12,000BP correlating to an adjusted
       ~6000?BP date based on the influx of C14 into the troposphere as
       a result of the atmospheric collapse associated with the flood
       event(s). Dates associated with animals that survived the flood
       event might yield in the neighborhood of 50,000+BP due to the
       negligible amount of C14 they ingested. Subsequent generations
       might yield dates in exponentially decreasing years down to a
       relatively reliable correlation with actual dates in the ~5000BP
       ranges +/- 700 yr uncertainty because of
       equilibrium/non-equilibrium assumptions. Fossils buried deeper
       in the strata should show virtually no C14 because the pre-flood
       atmosphere was free of it. Purely conjectural here.
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       _2) __- 2. AGE OF THE EARTH
       LK: Do you think the Earth existed before the time the Bible
       says it was created?
       - Do you consider Earth to be just 6,000 or 7,000 years old, as
       per the popular Bible interpretation?
       - Or do you think the supercontinent formed before that?
       - How do you think the supercontinent formed on the Earth? Have
       you read Charles' theory?
       GW: I think it is possible that the earth's crust and atmosphere
       were the topics of Genesis 1 and 2, so there is a reasonable
       option that the primordial planet and other bodies were created
       prior to that time by immeasurable years.
       _2) - FOSSIL ORDER
       - [An] experiment showed that the natural order of settling
       following death was, from the bottom up: amphibian, reptile,
       mammal, and finally bird.18 This order of relative buoyancy
       correlates closely with “the evolutionary order,” but, of
       course, evolution was not the cause. Other factors, also
       influencing burial order at each geographical location, were:
       liquefaction lenses; which animals were living in the same
       region; and each animal’s mobility before the flood overtook it.
       _2) - FLATTENED FOSSILS BETWEEN THIN LAYERS
       - Many fossilized fish are flattened between extremely thin
       sedimentary layers. This requires squeezing the fish to the
       thinness of a sheet of paper without damaging the thin
       sedimentary layers directly above and below. How could this
       happen? Because dead fish usually float, something must have
       pressed the fish onto the seafloor. Even if tons of sediments
       were dumped through the water and on top of the fish, thin
       [flat] layers would not lie above and below the fish. Besides,
       it would take many thin layers, not one, to complete the burial.
       We do not see this happening today. However, liquefaction would
       sort sediments into thousands of thin layers. During each wave
       cycle, liquefaction lenses would simultaneously form at various
       depths in the sedimentary column. Fish that floated up into a
       water lens would soon be flattened when the lens finally
       drained. [Water hammers and flutter vibrated the sediments as
       explained below.]
       _2) Petrified Forest.
       - Probably the world’s largest concentration of petrified wood
       is in the Petrified Forest National Park in Arizona. (Trainloads
       of petrified wood were removed before the region became a
       protected park in 1906.) Few people realize that this park lies
       inside the former Hopi Lake. Why does wood petrify, and how were
       these unusual conditions met in Hopi Lake?
       _2) - Researchers using silica-rich solutions have duplicated
       petrification in laboratories. [In the flood] (1) ... silica ...
       was dissolved in the hot subterranean water and (2) ... large
       preflood trees58 [were] floating in warm postflood lakes....
       “... silica nucleation and deposition can occur directly and
       rapidly on exposed cellulose surfaces.” Sigleo, p. 1404.
       _2) - “The majority of these trees [in Petrified Forest National
       Park] were very tall. On the average the logs are about 80 to
       100 feet long and three to four feet in diameter, but some range
       up to 200 feet in length and ten feet in diameter at the base.”
       Sidney Ash, Petrified Forest: The Story Behind the Scenery
       (Holbrook, Arizona: Petrified Forest Museum Association, 1985),
       p. 20.
       _2) =========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 03, 2016
       9:59 pm
       FOSSILS __ROCK FORMATION BY TSUNAMIS
       Electrical Formation
       Hi, Brigit. Have you read Charles' papers at
  HTML http://qdl.scs-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/6031.html?
       He has the best,
       most detailed explanations of the electrical formation and
       features of planets, stars and galaxies that I know of. Do you
       know of any better explanations than his for any cosmic or
       geological phenomenon?
       Sandstone Formation
       Charles' papers at the link above explain the electrical forces
       involved in Tides, Earthquakes, Vulcanism, and Crater Formation,
       which helped shape the Earth's surface. But the sedimentary rock
       strata were most likely formed by the Flood, not by "electric"
       forces primarily. Conventional geology says much of the
       sandstone was formed from desert sand dunes, but detailed
       studies show that they were formed under water, like limestone
       and shale. The paper, Startling evidence for Noah’s Flood:
       Footprints and sand ‘dunes’ in a Grand Canyon sandstone! at
  HTML http://creation.com/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood
       shows in
       detail why it is rather certain that sandstone was formed under
       water. Read especially the sections called "Those footprints"
       and "Desert ‘dunes’?" They explain that footprints in dunes do
       not show toe prints or distinct features, but only depressions.
       And the angles of dunes are different from sand waves
       underwater. That's partly how they could determine the sandstone
       formed under water.
       __GRAND CANYON SAND DUNES
       Webpage: Startling evidence for Noah’s Flood: Footprints and
       sand ‘dunes’ in a Grand Canyon sandstone!
  HTML http://creation.com/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood
       _2) PREQUEL: CATASTROPHIC GEOLOGY
       Uniformitarian Geology (like other establishment institutions)
       is a house of cards ready to fall down, just from the slightest
       new impact. The weak link in the chain of arguments for
       conventional geology is the  assumption that sedimentary rock
       strata were deposited very gradually, each stratum requireing
       thousands of years to accumulate and lithify. The internet has
       allowed amateurs to enter serious discussions of science, making
       it more democratic and less authoritarian. Authoritarianism is
       coming to be seen as barbaric and outdated, which it is. See the
       Foreword below for some of the detailed non-religious reasons
       that strata must have been deposited under catastrophic
       conditions, not gradualistic ones.
       _2) TWO BIG ERRORS IN GEOLOGY
       1. Radioactive Decay Clock.
       Science began to be taken over by corporate interests in the
       late 1800s and these interests tended to be antireligious.
       Religious people tended to believe that the Earth was hit with a
       global flood a few thousand years ago, because the Bible makes
       that claim, and religious geologists found abundant evidence of
       such a flood.
       - The antireligious geologists, who probably wanted to prove the
       Bible was wrong, were not making much headway until in the early
       1900s radioactivity was discovered and along with that was found
       the decay rates of radioactive elements. The decay rates
       indicated how old some rock formations were, but the estimates
       were based on some important unproven assumptions, e.g. that all
       of the element called lead was a decay product and that the
       decay rates can never change under any circumstances. __I'll
       discuss these probably false assumptions later.__
       =========================Postby Lloyd » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:22 pm
       __CATACLYSM DATING
       - Cataclysm Occurred 4,300 Years Ago
       These Geological Features Yield Ages of About 4,000 Years
  HTML http://beforeus.com
       -INLAND LAKES: lakes of the Great Basin; Albert and Summer lakes
       in Oregon; Owen Lake in California; Lake Agassiz, the largest
       glacial lake in North America
       -RIVER DELTAS: The deltas of the Nile, the Volga, the
       Mississippi and Bear River on the Alaska-British Columbia border
       -WATERFALLS: Niagara Falls, Horseshoe Falls, Upper Great Gorge,
       Niagara River bed
       -CORAL REEFS: Great Barrier Reef in Queensland, Australia,
       Pandora Reef
       -TREES: Sequoia; New Zealand’s Coromandel Peninsula, giant
       kauri; Bristlecone pine
       -OLDEST DESERT: Sahara Desert
       {In 1999, the Potsdam Institute for Climate Research, in Germany
       said the Sahara Desert is only about 4,000 years old
       (originating around 2000 BC) (July 15, 1999. Geophysical
       Research Letters).}
       -OTHER NATURAL FEATURES: Magnetic reversals, varves, coal,
       canyons, dense jungles, rock strata, fossils and so on
       (
  HTML http://www.beforeus.com/shopcart_ebooks.html).mada
       -DATING OF CHINA
       -DATING OF ROYAL GENEALOGIES [of several European Nations]
       - EGYPT: Egypt’s monuments themselves do not begin their records
       before the 19th dynasty. The Byzantine chronicler Constantinus
       Manasses wrote that the State of Egypt had already lasted 1663
       years, [since] 2188 BC. Egypt was anciently known as the land of
       Khem (i.e. Ham [son of Noah]). Menes and Hermes were two of
       Ham’s sons. HERMES (CUSH) WAS FOUNDER OF EGYPT’S RELIGION.
       Chaldean was a diplomatic language in Egypt. “Her”, in Chaldee,
       is “Ham”, or “Khem”, “the burnt one”. The Egyptian god HOR-us
       (the sun) is “Her” (“the hot or burning one”). Her-mes means the
       son of Her (Ham).
       - DATING OF ATLANTIS: An ancient history book, the Oera Linda
       Boek, dating primarily from AD 803, but added to for 500 years,
       bears this postscript: “written in Liuwert (Ljuwert) in the
       3,499th year after Atland (Atlantis) sank, or 1256, the year of
       the Christian reckoning.” This historian placed the sinking of
       Atlantis in 2244 BC (Alec Maclellan, The Lost World of Agharti.
       1982, p. 186).
       - WHAT THE TOLTECS REMEMBERED ABOUT HISTORY: In the sixteenth
       century, the native Mexican chronicler, Ixtilxochitl in his
       Relaciones penned a history based on all available pre-Conquest
       records and legends. ... The Flood came “after the world had
       existed for 1,716 years” (Francis Hitching, World Atlas of
       Mysteries. 1978, p.165). This is only a 60 year variation from
       the figure given in the King James Bible. (Genesis chapter 5)
       - FLOOD DATE ALSO DEFINED: The Flood ended in 2344 BC. The Great
       Pyramid independently confirms this date (Stewart, The Mystery
       of the Great Pyramid, pp 17-19). The star group Aquarius is
       featured in the astronomy of the Pyramid. Ancient peoples
       associated AQUARIUS with the waters of the GREAT FLOOD. The
       pyramid measurements incorporate the length of the new,
       post-Flood 365¼ day year, and NOT the pre-Flood 360 day year.
       -The ancient Chinese, Babylonian, Roman, Mayan, Indian and
       Egyptian calendars were 360 days long. But later, every nation
       changed its calendar.
       - DATE OF THE FLOOD - ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE RECORD: We start
       from a known date in history, the destruction of Jerusalem by
       the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC. [Make that 399 BC
       per Dating2 file.] add the years of the kings of Judah after
       Solomon which totalled 345. 586 + 345 = 931 BC. Solomon reigned
       for 40 years, his first year was 970 BC. In the fourth year of
       Solomon’s reign he began to build the house of the Lord (1 Kings
       6:1) = 967 BC, the 480th year from the Exodus. 967 + 480 = 1446.
       From Abraham’s call to sacrifice Isaac until the Exodus was 430
       years. The portion of this sojourning spent in Egypt was only
       260 years, from 1706 to 1446 BC. The beginning and ending dates
       of the Great Flood was around 2345 to 2344 BC. 2345 = 1446 + 970
       + 931 + 586.
       ====================postby Lloyd » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:19 am
       __CATACLYSM DATING
       - Dating the Main Cataclysm
       - Grey Cloud, since you've said you're interested in Bronze Age
       cataclysms, would you like to comment on the following material
       from a catastrophism conference? I suppose it occurred in the
       1990s, but that's just a guess. I got this free from the same
       site I mentioned last time. If you copy 2 or 3 words toward the
       beginning or end of a paragraph from a prior search, you can
       often find more from the same source. It took me about 6 such
       searches to get the following. This intrigued me because it
       sounds very much like what Mike Fischer's Shock Dynamics theory
       of continental drift says, at least regarding the huge impact
       site, just north of Madagascar. Fischer is saying this occurred
       nearly 12,000 years ago, but this paper said 4,300 years ago,
       which is what I and Gordon conclude. If Gordon's reading this, I
       hope you may comment too.
       <AGREES ON MAD. IMPACT SITE>
       - I'm also including in green type another of the conference
       topics on how cataclysms led to religions etc.
       -
  HTML http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/search.cgi?zoom_query=
       - The Cambridge Conference [SIS C&C Workshop]
       - [The conference covered] three papers dealing with the
       historical evidence for catastrophes. Steven Robinson ...
       suggested that fossil evidence actually indicates rapid events
       and that the vast geological time scale depends upon radiometric
       dating which is probably suspect in its assumptions. World wide
       accounts of a catastrophic flood, if considered as actual
       historical accounts, could explain much of the geological
       evidence. A catastrophic model of causation suggests a massive
       impact north of Madagascar. Accounts in the Bible would seem to
       indicate this and ancient maps confirm that continental
       movements have taken place within historical times. Considering
       the evidence of the ice-ages, climatic change and the evidence
       for violent earthquake activity in the Early Bronze Age, Steven
       concluded that the early Cambrian period should be considered to
       be only thousands, not millions, of years ago, at the time of
       the Flood, the Cretaceous/Tertiary event marked the division of
       continents and that the end of the ice-ages occurred around
       2,300 BC, caused by an increased tilt of the Earth.
       - John Bimson considered the biblical evidence for catastrophes.
       Velikovsky's scenario had been founded on the idea of the Exodus
       taking place at the time of a great catastrophe in the middle of
       the second millennium BC. Did biblical traditions support this?
       The implication of the astronomical use of megalithic monuments
       would indicate that these were built after any major Earth
       shifting catastrophe and radiocarbon dating led to the
       conclusion that any such catastrophe took place at the end of
       the Egyptian Old Kingdom, in line with Mandelkehr's 2,300 BC
       event. The destructions in the Middle Bronze Age were not so
       widespread as those of the Early period and could have been
       caused by man. All the events of the Exodus could be explained
       by normal, though exaggerated, happenings, except for the pillar
       of fire, which could be considered a metaphor for God's
       presence. The area is on the north end of the Great Rift Valley
       which cuts down through Africa, and all could be explained by
       this being in a state of seismic upheaval. Even the sun standing
       still could be a misunderstanding. In conclusion then, although
       the events described were catastrophic there was no evidence
       that they were other than terrestrial. Later references,
       however, in the time of Tuthmosis III and the Hittites, to
       showers of stones, suggested that destructive meteorite falls
       were common at that period and it is therefore possible that the
       terrestrial events of the Exodus were triggered by
       extraterrestrial causes.
       - Bob Porter considered the archaeological evidence of the Near
       East. There appeared to be three widespread destruction events
       during the Bronze Age, the first coinciding with the end of the
       Egyptian Old Kingdom at around 2300 BC at a time of climatic
       change. Evidence of new peoples could be taken as invaders or
       simply people taking advantage of destroyed areas. Deforestation
       may have helped change the climate. However, it was admitted
       that no ordinary earthquake could destroy so large an area and
       therefore something larger needed to be considered. The hiati
       supposed to be at the end of the Middle Bronze Age, and the
       second intermediate period in Egypt are a result of a
       catastrophic mistake in chronology as a result of using Sothic
       dating. Sites such as Ugarit and Qadesh show little sign of such
       hiati although there is a destruction at the end of the MB,
       probably as the result of an earthquake. Although earthquakes
       today are usually localised, they appear to have been widespread
       throughout Palestine, Syria and Mesopotamia at this period. A
       final wave of destruction took place at the end of the Late
       Bronze Age, associated with famine, war, the Sea Peoples, the
       end of the Scottish Bronze Age and the rise and fall of the
       Shang dynasty in China. Twenty narrow tree rings found by
       Baillie in his samples for this period indicate a long drought,
       so there was no need to posit a cosmic catastrophe directly.
       Questions from the floor clearly indicated that many felt that
       the degree of the destructions could not be explained by natural
       seismic or climatic events.
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