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2b. TB/Human Evidence
By: Admin Date: January 23, 2017, 11:07 am
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2b. Human Evidence of a Great Flood
« on: January 22, 2017, 09:13:05 pm »
_2) [1-2d] - NOAH MYTH - BIBLE GREAT FLOOD - FLOOD MYTHS ..GREAT
FLOOD MYTHS ..GREAT FLOOD MYTHS - GREAT FLOOD PROTECTION - AREAS
LACKING SEDIMENTARY ROCK - UNFLOODED LANDS - UNFLOODED BEDROCK -
GC CHRONOLOGY - COMBINED CATACLYSMS
_2) [1-2c] ..THICK ATMOSPHERE ..ROCK STRATA FORMATION -
SEDIMENTARY ROCK ORIGIN - ROCK FORMATION BY TSUNAMIS - GRAND
CANYON SAND DUNES - NO OROGENY WITH GREAT FLOOD - SEDIMENTARY
STRATA - GREAT FLOOD HUMAN FOSSILS ..FLOOD RUNOFF
<>Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=pMSSwoJFq-8
3'58": The main strata of the Grand Canyon contain marine
fossils. Redwall limestone is in the middle, containing many sea
animals. It's 7 ft thick and over 180 miles wide.
8'20": In France there are similar sea animals buried with
amphibians, spiders, scorpions, millipedes, insects and
reptiles. There's similar mixture in CO along with birds etc.
Similar in WY.
11'00": In Tasmania an 80 ft thick stratum contains broken
shells, a toothed whale and a possum.
17'12": 7 trillion tons of vegetation are buried in the world's
coal beds. Same coal beds in the U.S. extend also from England
to Russia.
... Delicate creatures are preserved. Some fish are preserved
right after eating another fish, or giving birth, as evidence of
rapid burial.
Video: The Mystery of Coal: youtube.com/watch?v=GlNudoEPSsM
This says coal consists largely of pieces of tree bark, wood,
leaves etc. Peat bogs don't contain that, so coal doesn't come
from there, despite the popular theory. But in Spirit Lake after
the Mt. St. Helens eruption there was found layers of tree bark
on the bottom, while the tree logs were floating on top.
<A>Video: Extraordinary Evidence that Dinosaurs Lived with Man:
youtube.com/watch?v=dWe3cteDuBc
It says 95% of fossils are from marine invertebrates. 4.5% are
from plants and algae. Vertebrates make up .0125%. This isn't
widely mentioned, because it gives the impression of a Flood
Deposit.
[1-2e] - WETTER CLIMATE - ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS - CONFERENCE -
1. ADVANCED CIVILIZATION - ATLANTIS - ADVANCED ANCIENT
CIVILIZATION - POST-FLOOD RESETTLEMENT - HUMAN MIGRATION -
SABOTAGE - ELONGATED SKULLS - ELONGATED SKULLS - ANCIENT ALIENS
- BABEL
__WETTER CLIMATE
- GLOBAL CLIMATE WETTER FOR CENTURIES AFTER THE FLOOD
In the Middle East prior to 1000 BC large forest trees covered
especially the higher elevations. Israel and Jordan supported a
wild animal population not unlike that of North Africa. Similar
evidence exists for North and South America, Asia and Australia
(Jonathan Gray, The Corpse Came Back, chapter 20). And the
transition from ice age to the present desert environment took
place between 2250 to 2000 BC. (See Appendix 1.)
__ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS DURING GREAT FLOOD
- Evidence of Civilization Destroyed by Global Cataclysm
CITY 6,000 FEET UNDER THE SEA
-In 1965 a research vessel, "Anton Brunn", was investigating the
Nazca Trench, off Peru. At a depth of 6,000 feet a photograph
revealed huge upright pillars and walls, some of which seemed to
have writing on them. In other nearby locations, apparently
artificially shaped stones lay on their sides, as though they
had toppled over.
- ARTIFACTS UNCOVERED
-1-In Western Australia in 1975, water drillers near Perth
struck a concrete wall 30 feet below the surface.
-2-At Aix-en-Provence, France, from 1786 to 1788, coins, stumps
of columns and other worked stones, were discovered 50 feet
down, below eleven beds of compact limestone.
-3-At Blue Lick Springs, Kentucky, underground, below the
remains of a prehistoric mastodon, was discovered a pavement of
cut-stone tiles.
-4-In the autumn of 1868, in a strip of coal mine near
Hammondsville, Ohio, at 100 feet below ground was found a large,
smooth, slate wall covered with inscriptions similar to
hieroglyphics, in lines about three inches apart. Crowds flocked
to see, but the slate soon crumbled and the writing was
destroyed.
-5-In November 1829, in a quarry twelve miles northwest of
Philadelphia, at a depth of 69-70 feet below ground, a block of
marble was found, which bore an indentation containing the
raised alphabet characters 'I' and 'U'. Two years later the
discovery appeared in an illustration in the American Journal of
Science, vol.19, p.361.
-6-In Omaha, Nebraska, about 130 feet underground, coalminers
found a carved slab of rock with diamond shapes. In the centre
of each diamond was an engraving of a human face (Omaha Daily
News, 1897).
-7-In 1928 in coal mine No. 5, near Heavener, Oklahoma, at a
depth of two miles, miners encountered a wall composed of 12
inch cube concrete blocks polished so that all six sides acted
as mirrors. About 100 to 150 yards further down the shaft, the
same wall or one very similar was uncovered. That part of the
mine was then filled up.
-8-Coal was NOT laid down 300 million years ago, but very
recently, after civilized man.
-9-Huge stone cities, very ancient, with paved streets and tall
pyramids choked with forest, have been sighted in the Amazon
jungle. climate was more temperate and the rivers drained a
fertile area. their alphabetic letters were Phoenician and
Greek, 3,000 to 4,000 years ago. the whole Amazon basin was a
shallow inland sea that existed AS RECENTLY AS 1200 BC. People
wall-papered their houses with thin sheets of beaten gold. The
people had fine features. They used gold coinage and operated
fleets. Their buildings were of shining white stone. Their
cities boasted magnificent plazas, paved streets, ornamented
temples, round-topped pyramids, mansions and fountains. They
erected lighthouses and used lenses and reflectors, the elements
of the telescope. And the cities were walled against the sea of
the Maranon (the Amazon Sea). According to native traditions,
they used a light source akin to our electric bulb.
- South America was well known in antiquity. Before the jungle
took over, it was resplendent with great cities. Many ancient
traditions speak of an advanced culture which flourished
thousands of years ago to the north and west of the Brazilian
highlands. Books of wonderfully executed paintings and
hieroglyphics have been found among naked Panos savages of the
deep Peruvian forests near the gorge of the Ucayle, in the
Amazon headwaters, in the eighteenth century. The Indians
explained that the books, handed down, contained a history of
events in the days of their ancestors. The pages of fine cotton,
in external appearance resembling modern quarto leaves, were
bound with a cover, glued together and fastened by agave
threads. One of these ancient books was acquired by Fray
Narcissus Gilbar and sent to Lima to be inspected by P.
Cisneros, compiler of a periodical called El Mercurio Peruano.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:46 pm
- ANCIENT MAPS Show Land Before & After Cataclysm
HTML http://beforeus.com
- Maps show Antarctica firstly free of ice, secondly, the centre
of Antarctica beginning to fill with ice (rivers and fjords
being shown where today mile-thick glaciers flow) and thirdly,
Antarctica after it had become mostly covered in ice. The U.S.
Hydrographic Office declared one of these maps to be over 5,000
years old (Gray, Dead Men’s Secrets, pp.24-30). Similar ancient
maps show Greenland before it was covered in ice; glacial
actions in the Baltic countries; and northern Europe being
covered by the Ice Age glaciation’s furthest advance. They were
recording it as it occurred! The map illustrates this
interesting fact: Before the final tearing apart of the
continents, the Ice Age had begun.
[It apparently took very advanced civilization to produce the
ancient maps below. The ones handed down were likely copies, but
they're nonetheless usually very accurate.]
- From the various astronomical references in the Book of Job,
different astronomers claim to be able to calculate the time in
which Job lived, 2200-2100 BC (Miracle in Stone, pp.203-206). In
his Ice Age book, Job recorded that “the waters [of the sea]
harden like stone, and the surface of the deep [ocean] is
frozen” (Job 38:29,30).
- Partholan’s coming to Ireland (15th century BC) says Lakes and
rivers ‘break out’.
- The Zeno map, drawn in 1380 outlines the coasts of Norway,
Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Scotland, as well as the exact
locations of islands. Greenland is shown free of glaciers.
Unknown rivers and mountains have since been located in
1947-1949.
- The Camerio map of 1502 was formed on a spherical grid.
- The Zauche map of 1737 shows Antarctica free of ice. it is
shown as two islands. Also shown are islands of the Mid-Atlantic
Ridge.
- Another map drawn in 1531 by Orontius Fineus indicates that
the centre of Antarctica was beginning to fill with ice. It
shows rivers and fjords.
- The Mercator chart of 1569 depicts only the Antarctic coast
uncovered by glaciers.
- Another, copied in 1559, the Hadji Ahmed map shows Antarctica
and the Pacific coast of the United States with the land bridge
that once existed between Siberia and Alaska.
- The Andrea Benincasa map (1508) indicates that Northern Europe
was being covered by the Ice Age glaciation’s furthest advance.
- The Iehudi Ibn ben Zara map of 1487 shows remnants of glaciers
in Britain And islands in the Mediterranean and Aegean Seas, now
under water.
- The Hamy King chart (1502) indicates northern Siberian rivers
emptying into the Arctic Ocean now all under ice. It also shows
glacial actions in the Baltic countries. What are today huge
islands in Southeast Asia are shown on this map joined to land
as they once were. The map even shows an ancient Suez Canal!
- Ptolemy’s map of the North depicts a glacial sheet advancing
across south-central Greenland; and at the same time it shows
glaciers retreating from northern Germany and southern Sweden.
- The Orontius Fineus map has Antarctica drawn too large,
although mountains and other details are accurately presented.
- The Gloreanus map (1510) shows not only the exact line of the
Atlantic coast of America from Canada to Tierra del Fuego, but
also the whole length of the Pacific coast.
- The King Jaime World Chart (1502) shows the Sahara Desert as a
fertile land with large lakes, rivers and cities.
- The Dulcert map of 1339, tracing from Ireland to the Don River
of Eastern Europe, shows great precision.
- The Hydrographic Office of the Navy verified an ancient chart
called the Piri Reis map, that goes back more than 5,000 years.
It contains the following:
1. The correct locations of South America, Africa, the
Caribbean, Spanish, African and South American coasts and even
isolated areas, like Cape Verde Island, the Azores, the Canary
Islands, as well as topographies of the interiors.
2. The coastline of Queen Maud Land in Antarctica with islands
and bays now below the Antarctic ice sheet and a mountain range
undiscovered until 1952.
3. The Isle of Pines, Andros Island, San Salvador, Jamaica, the
mouth of the Amazon and the island of Morajo.
4. Greenland, shown as three islands [as it was before
glaciation].
5. Every mountain range in northern Canada and Alaska.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:13 pm
__CONFERENCE
... Online Conference Transcript
... CC is Charles. GW is Webb. LK is Lloyd.
__- 1. ADVANCED CIVILIZATION
LK: Are the ancient maps good evidence of former advanced
civilization?
- Do you think there was advanced civilization that produced the
Bible? Or that produced the ancient maps and other traces?
GW: Yes, I think the early Chaldean civilization was advanced,
and produced maps, but I don't endorse every archaeological
claim I've encountered about this.
--------------------Postby Pi sees » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:39 am
__ATLANTIS
My understanding is that "Khem" refers to the black soil left
behind by the flooding of the Nile.
- DATING OF ATLANTIS: Plato's proposed location for Atlantis
(i.e. in the vicinity of the Azores) and time of its destruction
(i.e. circa 9600 BCE) make complete sense in light of the
geological evidence.
- Plato's proposed location makes sense owing to the fact that
Azores Plateau is located at a 3-way intersection of the North
American, Eurasian and African tectonic plates. During the Ice
Age, the huge ice sheets covering northern Europe and Canada
would have pressed down on the glacier-covered areas of the
Eurasian and North American plates respectively; this pressure
would have caused isostatic rebound in the non-covered parts of
those plates, both across the plates and by channeling magma
pressure down the Mid-Atlantic Ridge toward the aforementioned
3-way plate intersection. At the same time, the African plate
was (and still is) pushing northwards into the Eurasian plate.
The combined effects of these geological pressures would have
been sufficient to raise a highly fertile but unstable landmass
of a size comparable to modern-day Turkey (as per Plato's
description), primarily composed of the Azores Plateau.
- The African plate was actually being forced to push into the
Eurasian plate in a twisting north-eastward fashion, because the
Azores Plateau was acting as an obstacle to the northwestern
part of the plate; this "twisting" meant that the northwestern
part of the African plate eventually started to pull away from
the Eurasian plate, resulting in a loss of geological pressure
critical to keeping a large Atlantic island above sea level.When
the European and North American ice-sheets started to melt
towards the end of the Pleistocene, the previously glaciated
areas of those continents started to undergo isostatic rebound,
resulting in a corresponding subsidence of the previously
unglaciated parts of their respective plates as well as a loss
in pressure being channeled down the Mid-Atlantic Ridge towards
the Azores Plateau. In other words, Atlantis was hit with a
geological triple-whammy (isostatic rebound, loss of channeled
pressure down the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, and the twisting movement
of Africa) about 12,000 years ago, causing the large island to
sink beneath the ocean surface in a geological instant. Over the
next 10+ millenia the former island continued to subside more
gradually (but still very quickly in geological terms) to its
present level, hence Plato's reference - based on much older
accounts - to a "shallow muddy shoal" rendering the Atlantic
Ocean "impassable" in the general area where Atlantis had
formerly stood.
__ADVANCED ANCIENT CIVILIZATION
many advanced ancient ruins: Baalbek, Sacsayhuaman
=========================Postby Lloyd » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:19 pm
__POST-FLOOD RESETTLEMENT
After the Cataclysm
HTML http://beforeus.com
-NOAH'S ARK.
The Great Pyramid’s latitude (30 degrees 00 minutes north) is
precisely an “ark’s length and height” south of the remains of
Noah’s Ark (39 degrees 26 minutes north) in Turkey (Persian
Triangle Mystery).
-[ANCIENT] GLOBAL EXPLORATION AND SETTLEMENT
Surviving today are portions of ancient world maps drawn by
surveying parties before, during and after the Ice Age (See
Appendix 2). At least two - the Piri Reis and Reinal - were
based on a circular projection with the focal point in Egypt.
(a) the Great Flood (2345 to 2344 BC),
(b) the founding of Egypt (2250 to 2188 BC) and
(c) the Great Pyramid (2144 BC)
-EGYPT. “INCH” AND “CUBIT” LINK. In Egypt, the royal cubit of
20.6 inches is well known. The British inch is derived from the
pyramid inch. One pyramid inch equals 1.0011 British inches, one
500-millionth part of the earth’s polar axis. The royal Egyptian
cubit and the inch have a relationship called the Golden Ratio.
-A wreck in Turkey, believed to be the Ark, has seven examples
of this .618 ratio (Jonathan Gray, The Ark Conspiracy, Chapter
8). The pre-Flood cubit used in the Ark was taken to Egypt to
become the royal Egyptian cubit. It was Mizraim, Noah’s
grandson, who founded Egypt.
-The Great Pyramid accurately stands in the centre of the land
surface of the earth as it NOW exists and marks both the
longitude and latitude at which there is more land and less sea
than at any other coordinates on earth.
-WHY WERE THE PYRAMID’S BUILDERS FORGOTTEN?
1. THE BUILDERS WERE NOT EGYPTIAN. 2. HISTORICAL ACCURACY WAS
NOT A PRIORITY. 3. AMID ENVIRONMENTAL TRAUMA, MUCH CULTURE WAS
FORGOTTEN. There was a sudden, dramatic drop in the human life
span, as recorded by the ancient Chinese and the Hebrews (See
The Corpse Came Back, chapter 18). Much earlier knowledge was
quickly lost. The few Flood survivors, although bringing with
them knowledge from the pre-Flood world, were too few in number
to put most of it to practical use immediately. Population
growth was rapid, so Two hundred years was all it needed [to
re-establish civilization].
-BABYLON. Sumerian tradition preserved two lists of “kings” who
reigned before the Flood. One contained eight names, as does the
family tree of Cain, [and] the other ten names, as does the
family tree of Genesis 5. After Alexander the Great had defeated
Darius in 331 BC, he journeyed to Babylon and his scholars
learned about the 1903 years of astronomical observations from
the Chaldeans of Babylon. That placed the founding of Babylon at
2234 BC (Martin Anstey, The Romance of Bible Chronology. 1913,
p.92). This is uncannily close to the biblical date for the
Tower of Babel (c. 2244 BC).
=========================Postby Lloyd » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:52 am
__HUMAN MIGRATION
When I looked at that map, it looked to me like the origin could
have been Asia Minor as much as Africa. There are arrows
pointing in that direction, Asia Minor to Africa, as well as
Asia Minor to everywhere else. Besides, Egypt is in Africa and
it's at least as old as Sumer, I've read. Both places seem to be
origins.
--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:41 pm
Indus Valley civilisation is as old as Egypt and Sumer.
Most of the peoples who invaded/entered the Middle East seem to
have originated somewhere in Eurasia. Where they hit the Middle
East depended on which way they moved around the Caspian and/or
the Black Sea. The various mountain ranges extending west from
Iran to the Aegean play a big part too - only so many places
they can be crossed.
--------------------Postby Brigit Bara » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:59
am
The so-called 'dark age' is the result of the refusal by
academics to ever acknowledge the seafaring civilisation of the
Canaanites/Phoenicians.
The ancient world during 1700-722 BC was very well-connected
through extensive sea trade. The shipping lanes connected the
Baltic, British Isles, Africa and India with the Mediterranean.
This vibrant trade between nations, languages and tribes was
accomplished mainly by the Canaanites/Phoenicians--who also
developed the alphabet and the first books. This is the world of
the Old Testament. It was a highly interconnected world. For
example, there are faience beads and also necklaces which are of
the Mycenaean style in Wessex burial sites showing that trade
was already developed in the north in 1450 BC. Tyre and Sidon
were great seafaring cities and are some of the most mentioned
people in the Old Testament.
The enormous blind-spot exhibited towards the Phoenicians is
merely academic tradition.
That reminds me, I was delighted by Lloyd's mention of the
possibility of Canaanite trade in the New World.
--------------------Postby Brigit Bara » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:35
pm
Claude Schaeffer...archaeologist whose excavation of the ancient
city of Ugarit at Ras Shamra Syria, disclosed a succession of
culture from about 1195 BC back to the 6th and 7th millenia BC.
...He found that Ugarit, a coastal city and port in ancient
times, was quite cosmopolitan; in various periods it showed
evidence of cultural influence from Egyptian, Mesopotamian,
Hittite and Mediterannean civilizations.
The tablets included texts of literary works of considerable
sophistication and originality that also helped to establish the
Canaanite origin of the stories of the Patriarchs in the Bible.
--------------------Postby Brigit Bara » Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:25
pm
Because of Schaeffer's work in more widely distributed areas, he
was able to see common stratigraphy between the locations.
The significance of this development for accurate dating is
astonishing to think about.
First, this may throw an enormous spanner in the academic dating
traditions, who -- due to their own biases -- relate all dates
to Classical Greek and Egyptian civilizations. That in itself is
an enormous problem because if they have Greek and Egyptian
dates wrong, the entire system falls.
Next, the disasters which befell these ancient cities left
layers in the record which can be harmonized over wide areas.
With today's electron microscope technologies, depositions can
be identified with confidence, because as we know every volcano
or high-temperature event leaves its own fingerprint, which is
unlike that of any other volcano or high-temperature event.
And Claude Schaeffer was firm in his conviction: he had
identified a precise year for the 1195 BC destruction of Ugarit.
__SABOTAGE
- “SCHOLARS” SABOTAGE ANCIENT DOCUMENTS: The Turin Papyrus was
prepared during the late 18th Dynasty of the Pharaohs and
included lists of all the kings of every dynasty of ancient
Egypt through to the 18th Dynasty. This papyrus was found during
a temple excavation in the 19th century. The King of Sardinia
carefully preserved it and entrusted it to some “scholars” at
Turin for translation. The “scholars” destroyed or hid most of
it, apparently because it proved the “LONG dynastic” history of
Egypt to be UNTRUE!
-The Palermo Stone contained a similar list. “unapproved
researchers” can have access to only a few fragments. It is
obvious that the stone was broken recently.
__ELONGATED SKULLS
Also - see the practice of elongating the skull. It's spread all
over the world. Perhaps the ancient "gods" had those elongated
skulls, and natives were trying to imitate:
HTML http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2509436/The-1-650-year-old-French-aristocrats-skull-deliberately-deformed.html
The 1,650-year-old skull of aristocrat that was deliberately
deformed to show her family's wealth is unearthed in France
Such an idea: "lets tie the child's head so it elongates!" does
not come easily, and everywhere at once:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
The practice of intentional cranial deformation is believed to
predate written history; it was practised commonly in a number
of cultures that are widely separated geographically and
chronologically, and still occurs today in a few places,
including Vanuatu.
--------------------Postby Roshi » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:52 am
__ELONGATED SKULLS
The artificial cranial deformation is spread all over the world,
and it's 10 times more strange than the fact that there are
similar flood stories all over the world. This not a simple
thing to do, it can't just be listened to and passed on like a
myth about the flood.
This practice existed in Europe, Africa, the Americas, Oceania.
It's source cannot be just an idea everyone got at random - or
the slow spreading of the custom from tribe to tribe - that is
crazy. Tribes don't just copy customs like that (and this is a
radical custom). It's origin must be ancient, in the
antediluvian world, that was a global civilization, connected by
ships (or flying ships) - and ruled by "gods" with long heads.
As we see some pharaohs represented.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
HTML https://hiddenincatours.com/elongated-skulls-of-paracas-a-people-and-their-world/
Mainstream "explanations":
HTML http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141013-why-we-reshape-childrens-skulls
Skull modification might have been done with the aim of making
males look more masculine
Head shaping seems to be a human cultural achievement rooting in
the belief in an 'unfinished self
HTML http://users.rider.edu/~suler/zenstory/ritualcat.html
--------------------Postby seasmith » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:04 pm
the Hed¡jet:
A rock-solid clue to the origin of tall head, before coming
south to pharaonize Egypt-
Narmerhead.jpg
HTML http://www.thunderbolts.inf
o/forum/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=3357&t=1
click to enlarge
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Narmer_Palette_smiting_side.jpg
--------------------Postby Roshi » Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:00 am
__ANCIENT ALIENS
Conclusion: there existed and "antedeluvian" civilization. This
civilization was responsible for the pyramids and all other
strange ruins. It was lead by red haired "gods" -
extraterestrials. People all over the world tried to imitate
them by elongating the skulls of children. Look at the
representation of ancient pharaohs and their long heads. This
civilization was global. Check the stories about **** found in
Egyptian mummies, and the red hair of Ramses:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II
Microscopic inspection of the roots of Ramesses II's hair proved
that the king's hair was originally red, which suggests that he
came from a family of redheads.[68] This has more than just
cosmetic significance: in ancient Egypt people with red hair
were associated with the god Seth, the slayer of Osiris
Also see the stories about "sons of god" that came to earth and
married human women, who then gave birth to "giants".
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_%28mythology%29
Genesis 6:4-5 tells of the Nephilim before and after the Flood.
According to Genesis 7:23, the Nephilim were destroyed in the
Flood, but Nephilim are reported after the Flood
--------------------Postby GaryN » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:18 pm
__BABEL
The Great Mystery raised the sun to its present height and, with
an earthquake, destroyed the tower that Montezuma was building
into the heavens, in the process changing languages so that
people could no longer understand animals or other tribes.
That's interesting, the story of Babel. Now how did that find
its way to Arizona, and when?
<>=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:57
pm
__GREAT FLOOD
Flood Legends From Around the World
HTML http://nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html
I rearranged them to show them from East to West and North to
South, pretty much.
D = Destruction by Water
. --- G = (God) Divine Cause
. --- ----- W = Warning Given
. --- --- --- --- H = Humans Spared
. --- --- --- --- ----- A = Animals Spared
. --- --- --- --- --- --- --- V = Saved in a Vessel
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 32 U.S.A.- Hawaiians
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 33 Vanualu- Melanesians
D --- G --- W --- H --- A --- . --- 14 French Polynesia- Raiatea
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 13 Fiji- Walavu-levu
tradition
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 26 New Zealand- Maori
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 01 Australia- Kurnai
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 05 Borneo- Sea Dayak
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 09 China- Lolo
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 23 Malay Peninsula- Jekun
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 34 Vietnam- Bahnar
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 06 Burma- Singpho
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 18 India- Andaman Islands
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 19 India- Bhil
D --- G --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 20 India- Kamar
D --- . --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 28 Russia- Vogul
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- . --- 21 Iran- Zend-Avesta
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 02 Babylon- Berossus'
account
D --- G --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 03 Babylon- Gilgamesh epic
D --- G --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 11 East Africa- Masai
D --- G --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 12 Egypt- Book of the Dead
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 15 Greece- Lucian's account
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 22 Italy- Ovid's poetry
D --- . --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 35 Wales- Dwyfan/Dwyfan
legend
D --- G --- . --- H --- . --- V --- 17 Iceland- Eddas
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 07 Canada- Cree
D --- G --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 08 Canada- Montagnais
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 29 U.S.A. (Alaska)-
Kolusches
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 30 U.S.A. (Alaska)- Tlingit
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 31 U.S.A. (Arizona)- Papago
D --- . --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 24 Mexico- Codex
Chimalpopoca
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 25 Mexico- Huichol
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- V --- 10 Cuba- original natives
D --- G --- . --- H --- A --- V --- 16 Guyana- Macushi
D --- G --- W --- H --- . --- V --- 04 Bolivia- Chiriguano
D --- . --- W --- H --- A --- . --- 27 Peru- Indians of
Huarochiri
35 -- 18 -- 17 -- 35 -- 24 -- 32 -- Total Occurrences out of 35
The G's and W's are irrelevant to me, but I didn't feel like
making the effort to remove them.
<X>--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:03
pm
Deucalion's flood was caused by a lake escaping from its
location due to earthquake. I also mentioned the Welsh 'flood'
which was actually about a town sinking. There is a similar
French tale about Lys(?).
many ancient peoples speak of alternating catastrophes of flood
and fire. That which causes flood comes from the direction of
one constellation and that which causes fire comes from the
direction of a different constellation. Of the top of my head I
think fire is Cancer.
<X>As I've mentioned, my current focus is on the LBA collapse. I
do not see any flood there - electrics and lots of fire, yes.
--------------------Postby Roshi » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:55 pm
Flood stories from around the world:
HTML http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html
Wintu (north central California); Papago (Arizona).
<>__GRAY'S GREAT FLOOD
HTML http://beforeus.com
- ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS
001. Deserts from nuclear war?
002. Former civilizations in Antarctica, Greenland
003. Ancient underground tunnels useful today?
004. Ancient micro technology
005. World maps before "discoverers" came
006. Changes in maps
007. Pre-Aboriginal paintings in Australia
008. Tut's gold from Australia?
009. Micro technology
010. The Black Knight
011. Ancient Chinese were that "mysterious" race?
012. Ancient voyage India to Rome?
013. Tunnels explored to the end?
015. The catacombs of Rome
016. Help! No ancient tunnel pictures!
017. Ancient civilizations and God
018. Religious beliefs of ancient races
019. Ancient giants - mere fantasy?
EARTH CHANGES
301. Earth's last flip-over
302. Sun and earth
303. The continents divided
304. Fitting of the continents
305. How Antarctica became frozen
=========================Postby Lloyd » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:56 pm
__NOAH MYTH
- there's a good chance that Noah and the ark and the animals on
it may have been an apparition in the sky and that the
"fountains of the great deep" referred to the sky too, since
most of the ancients seem to have referred to the sky as the
"great deep", also as the ocean. ...
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Tue Dec 22, 2015
5:08 pm
__BIBLE GREAT FLOOD
Refer to Genesis 1:14 [Creation Day 4] for the pre-flood season
reference, along with Gen. 2:4-6; and to God's promise in
Genesis 8:22 [the post-flood "initiation" of the principle of
uniformity] for seasons based on climate/weather.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:13 pm
__FLOOD MYTHS
The chart I posted above is evidence of a flood that occurred at
the same time in most of the world, since most of those myths
have important elements in common: major flooding and people and
sometimes animals being saved in a large vessel.
- Some cultures may have gotten their flood myths from other
cultures. And it seems possible that there were vessels in
several parts of the world where people and animals were saved
from drowning. It's also possible that the vessel containing
people and animals was an apparition in the sky as sometimes
discussed among Saturn theorists. Gordon is the one who
suggested that nearly all of the sedimentary rock strata
worldwide were deposited all at once during the Great Flood, and
that suggests that where there is no sedimentary rock on
continents, there was possibly no major flooding, which means
many people and animals may have survived in those locations,
which are shown in the map below in the areas of Precambrian
surface rock.
Great Flood Deposits
HTML http://www.geo.msu.edu/geogmich/images/precambrian_rocks_and_mobile_belts.JPG
Image
- I think there's a reasonable amount of consensus among Saturn
theorists. They seem to agree that the polar planetary
conjunction lasted quite a while, then the configuration
destabilized and the planets and small objects in the sky
appeared to behave chaotically. There were upheavals on Earth
and a great flood about 4,500 years ago. Unusual electrical
effects were seen. There was also rapid continental drift. An
Ice Age followed. The planets soon found their orbital paths
around the Sun; the Moon appeared in the sky and the new order
prevailed. And civilization rebuilt in Egypt and Sumer firstly.
- Since nearly all the sedimentary strata were deposited by the
flood and the fossils formed primarily at that time, the map
above shows that there were several places around the world
where there was little if any flooding and that's where people,
animals and some plants survived best. Due to the fall of many
meteors, the world's forests and grasslands caught fire, which
led to coal deposits within the sedimentary areas. As Mike
Fischer explains at
HTML http://newgeology.us
, it makes more sense
that continental drift didn't occur until a few hundred years
after the Great Flood. And the movement of the northern
continents toward the north pole is what froze the animals in
the north. Velikovsky had thought that the Earth's axis had
shifted, causing Alaska and Siberia to come close to the Arctic
Circle, but rapid continental drift explains things much better
than does a pole shift.
====================postby Lloyd » Tue May 31, 2016 9:59 am
__GREAT FLOOD MYTHS
- THOTH CLUES TO THE GREAT FLOOD Part 1
-
HTML http://saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/thoth.1998.08.txt
- A BRIEF ORIENTATION David Talbott
... WHY SHOULD WE CARE ABOUT MYTH?
... Myth is, I believe, a window to early human history, a more
intense period of history than we've realized. The myths have
their roots in a time of celestial catastrophe, and more often
than not the appearance of confusion results from viewing myth
as something other than what it is. In the course of cultural
evolution and scientific advance, we left behind the fabled
"long ago," whose images seemed wholly out of touch with our own
world. Yet my personal conviction is that ancient myth, when
seen as a symbolic record of earth-shaking events in the sky,
will permanently change man's view of his celestial environment.
- BUT YOUR CONCLUSIONS ARE NOT THOSE OF OTHERS WHO DEVOTED
LIFETIMES TO THE STUDY OF MYTH.
... Many common themes run through the folklore of diverse
cultures. From ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia to the Americas,
from India to China, Scandinavia, Africa, and the Pacific
Islands, one finds surprisingly similar accounts: celestial
temples and cities, a lost paradise or "Garden of Eden," a
cosmic mountain, a flaming serpent or dragon in the sky -- and
surprisingly similar stories of global calamity ranging from
wars of the gods, to a great flood or a devastating rain of fire
and gravel. If we'll look at these collective memories
carefully, it will change our understanding of the past. Many of
the myths concern planets, but the accounts make no sense to us
in terms of the movement of these remote bodies today. Why did
the planets, these little pinpricks of light, play such a
powerful role in the mythical "age of the gods"? Along with
others working in this field, I've come to interpret the myths
and drawings and ritual practices from a new vantage point. Here
is the conclusion in a nutshell: A few thousand years ago, the
sky did not look anything like it appears today! Planets hung as
gigantic, sometimes terrifying bodies above the ancient
stargazers. In periods of stability this involved incredible
beauty, but there were also periods of mind-altering catastrophe
-- the most traumatic experiences in human history.
- WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS?
- The primary evidence comes from ancient pictures and
chronicles, submitted to extensive cross-referencing. By
comparing accounts from around the world, one can begin to
reconstruct the way the sky looked in ancient times. Is it
possible that the myths and pictographs recorded, in a language
unique to the starworshippers, large-scale events we've
forgotten? By keeping that possibility firmly in mind, the
researcher will begin to identify crucial themes of myth --
themes found on every continent, but pointing to an alien sky.
As one begins to see the past differently, recent space age
discoveries will take on a new significance. Our probes of other
planets, such as the Mariner explorations of Mars, the Voyager
missions to Jupiter and Saturn, and more recently the Magellan
mapping of Venus, the Galileo probe of Jupiter, and the Mars
Surveyor have produced many stunning images of the planets and
their moons, together with undeniable evidence of large-scale
catastrophe within the planetary system. Taken as a whole, these
stark profiles of our neighbors challenge traditional theories
claiming slow and uneventful planetary evolution. Moreover, a
new possibility arises from a reconsideration of the historical
material: the possibility that at least some of the horrendous
scars on our planetary neighbors resulted from events witnessed
by man not all that long ago.
- WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE STATEMENT THAT THE PLANETS APPEARED AS
"GIGANTIC BODIES IN THE SKY"?
- At the core of the argument is the idea that several planets
were once joined in a spectacular gathering of planets, together
with gases and dust, smaller moons and cosmic debris. For
prehistoric man -- who witnessed all of this -- the effect was a
massive celestial display in the northern sky. I've called this
celestial assembly "the polar configuration" because in its
stable phases it was centered on the north celestial pole. In
the beginning, the primary form was the planet Saturn,
stationary but immense in the sky. Numerous lines of evidence
suggest that Saturn once towered over man and inspired the most
dramatic leaps in human imagination the world has ever known.
Our work puts a new emphasis on the unusual celestial events
reflected in the myths. When you first dive into world
mythology, all of your prior training will tell you to dismiss
the myth-makers as fabricators or victims of hallucination. But
there's another way to see the myths. Ancient man experienced
extraordinary events, then strove to remember and to reenact
them in every way possible. The result was not only a global
mythology, but entirely new forms of human expression. And the
whole range of expressions -- sacrifices to the gods, wars of
conquest, monumental construction, pictographic representations,
and endless celebrations of the lost age of the gods -- left us
a massive reservoir of evidence. These highly novel expressions
are, in fact, the distinguishing characteristics of the first
civilizations.
- BUT WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THE SKY HAS CHANGED SO DRASTICALLY?
- The best I can ask for is a willingness to consider an
argument. I could show you, for example, that certain celestial
images preoccupied ancient man to the point of an obsession. A
great cosmic wheel in the sky. The pyramid of the sun. The eye
of heaven. Also the ship of heaven, a spiraling serpent, the
raging goddess, and four luminous "winds" of the sky. The
problem for conventional perspectives is that these images are
far, far removed from anything we see in the heavens today. But
that is only the beginning of the theoretical challenge. As soon
as you realize that far-flung cultures, though employing
different symbols, tell a unified story, all of the previous
"explanations" of myth collapse. Of course the point will not be
proven in a few sentences, and not in a few pages. But the more
you learn on this subject, the more compelling the collective
memory becomes.
- SO YOU ARE CHALLENGING THE IDEA THAT THINGS HAVE NOT REALLY
CHANGED THAT MUCH WITHIN THE SOLAR SYSTEM.
- Yes, we are challenging an intellectual system as a whole.
What is at stake here are the pillars of the modern world view.
How could it be that the sky has completely changed in a few
thousand years? Our textbooks do not talk about such a thing.
When instructing us on the history of the solar system, the
evolution of our planet, the birth of man, the origins of
civilization, no one speaks of an unstable solar system, of
interplanetary upheaval, or of wholesale changes in the
celestial order. When the popular astronomer Carl Sagan
presented his impressive exposition on the nature of things,
called Cosmos, he didn't ask if we may have misunderstood our
past. Rather, Sagan's expressed view -- the official view of
science for many years -- fits comfortably within the textbooks
on astronomy, geology, biology, anthropology, and ancient
history. When we launched the U.S. Space program in the late
50s, then devoted billions of dollars to exploring neighboring
planets, no one thought to ask if the planets might have
followed different courses in earlier times, whether recent
disturbances of the planetary system might have left their
tell-tale marks on these remote bodies. So when our cameras and
measuring devices reached the planets Mars and Venus, and the
Voyager probes provided spectacular glimpses of Jupiter and
Saturn -- well, we were left with a hundred enigmas and
unanswered questions. And yes, there's a certain irony to this.
The prevailing view of myth proclaims that, through science, man
escaped the bonds of superstition and make believe. But now, in
the twentieth century -- the age of science and reason -- it is
myth and symbol that will provide the lost key to the past, the
key to a new understanding of the solar system and of human
origins. At the heart of this claim is a bedrock principle: the
myth-making age arose from the human urge to REMEMBER [for
future generations, because the sky had changed]; hence, the
patterns of myth are the patterns of human memory. And if it can
be rigorously demonstrated from cross-cultural comparison that
numerous DIFFERENT words and symbols and mythical themes
actually point to the SAME HIGHLY UNUSUAL EVENTS, then the
patterns of memory will carry more weight than science has ever
considered.
- HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH THESE IDEAS ABOUT "PLANETARY" MYTH FROM
THE IDEAS OF OTHER RESEARCHERS SUCH AS JOSEPH CAMPBELL, CARL
JUNG AND MIRCEA ELIADE?
- Each of these impressive scholars came to discern certain
unified layers of myth, layers our traditional cynicism about
myth never anticipated. Perhaps the greatest contribution of
these pioneers is their acknowledgment that the common view --
seeing myth as random absurdity -- will not suffice to explain
the subject. I think the late Joseph Campbell has done the most
to awaken popular interest in myth, and he is one of my own
favorites too. Following a comparative approach, Campbell
brought to light quite a number of global themes. He noted, for
example, the myths of the central sun, the world mountain, the
flowering of creation through sacrifice, the birth of the hero,
the terrible goddess, and so on. Any one of these themes, when
explored in its full context, could open the door to incredible
discovery. But Campbell, like so many others, stopped short of
asking the most important question of all: if the celestial
references of the myths are absent today, is it possible that
they were present in a former time?
- WHAT IS THE REAL MESSAGE OF MYTH, IN YOUR VIEW?
- The mythmakers are telling us we've forgotten the very thing
they regarded as most vital -- in fact, the source of all
meaning to the first starworshippers. We've forgotten the age of
the gods. We've assumed that as long as man has journeyed on our
planet the world looked and behaved almost exactly as it does
today. And that is the fundamental error of modern perception.
The answer to that error is to re-envision the past. With the
help of the ancient chroniclers, its time to bring the forgotten
dramas -- both the beauty, and the nightmare scenarios -- into
the light of day.
====================postby Lloyd » Tue May 31, 2016 10:06 am
__GREAT FLOOD MYTHS
- THOTH CLUES TO THE GREAT FLOOD Part 3
-
HTML http://saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/thoth.1999.08.txt
SATURN CONFIGURATION DISCUSSION
... CARDONA: ... If the Saturnian system was NOT captured by the
Sun, the advent of day and night would have commenced at the
clearing of the Saturnian nebular cloud within which the
Saturnian system was enshrouded. In any case, whether the
Saturnian system was, or was not, captured by the Sun, the
Saturnian nebular, or placental, cloud would still have shielded
the Sun from view until after Saturn's flare-up which, among
other things, blew the placental cloud out of existence.
... ROBERT PREVIOUSLY: At what point does massive flooding come
into the scenario? Do you believe that great quantities of water
fell from the sky and/or world pillar in conjunction with the
break-up?
- CARDONA: >From the world pillar during the break-up,
definitely ... [over not] even a century.
-
HTML http://saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/thotiv01.txt
- THE DEMANDS OF THE SATURNIAN CONFIGURATION THEORY: Part III
- Excerpts from Dwardu Cardona's SIS Silver Jubilee Paper
... CARDONA: THE WHIRLING COLUMN
- Once again, I cannot here present the entire string of
evidential sources which attest to the whirling motion of the
cosmic pillar. Instead I will merely present the opinion of four
authorities on the subject. DC Santillana and von Dechend are
two of many who came to the conclusion that the [visible
Earth's] axis did twist and turn -- although they seemed
somewhat unsure of whether it did so slowly or rapidly -- even
if to them the axis was anything but an actual physical entity.
So, incidentally, did Elmer Suhr when he speaks of the 'whirling
cosmic column' and 'the whirling column of the cosmos.' In fact,
Suhr goes on to stress: 'It is especially important to think of
the cosmic column not as a static post but as a constantly
whirling crucible...' Talbott, of course, also recognized this
fact when he wrote that 'the cosmic mountain in many creation
epics is presented as a churning, serpentine column rising along
the world axis...' t is more than obvious from descriptions of
the Saturnian axis, as well as prehistoric Petroglyphs, that the
polar column was a visible entity rather than a deduced
abstraction. This was so much so that, in some cases, the axis
was even pictured as a ladder reaching to the Saturnian sun. ...
It is ... this bolus flow that would have given the planetary
tornado, or Rankine vortex, its serpentine quality.
... THE WATERY VORTEX
- AMY: Cardona proposes, if the polar column were actually a
colossal tornado, that the Saturn theory demands that this, too,
should be part of the mytho-historical record. ... [T]he tornado
would have sucked large amounts of waters from the Earth and
ancient man should have been aware of this, if not from
observing the column itself, then at least from observing what
happened when the column was severed.
- CARDONA: [A]mong the Australian Aborigines, the great python
is the most impressive representative of the polar column. It is
therefore significant that this python is not only believed to
tower up to the level of the clouds, but that he also 'brings
about rain and flood.' The Efe pygmies of the Ituri forest tell
of a deluge of water which gushed forth as a mighty river when
their version of the Cosmic Tree, which was the polar column,
was felled. Similarly, the Arawak Indians of the [Guianas] tell
of a wondrous tree which Sigu cut down. From its stump, water
gushed out in such quantity as to cause a deluge. This tale is
also found among the traditions of the Cuna, who tell of their
mischief-maker, the Tapir, chopping down the Saltwater Tree from
which salt water gushed out to form the oceans of the world.
Thus, Velikovsky was correct when he surmised that the water of
the Deluge would have been salty, but not, as he believed,
because the salt, or at least its chlorine content, originated
from Saturn. The water was salty because it came from the same
oceanic water the vortex had sucked up in the first place.
... THE FLOOD FROM THE NORTH
- AMY: Cardona moves on to the next demand of the Saturn Theory.
If the Deluge was [partly] the result of the collapse of a
colossal tornado situated in the north, then the
mytho-historical record must also contain this information. And
it does. Among others, three American Indian tribes, the Wintus,
the Wichita, and the Pawnee, tell different legends of the
flood, but in each case the deluge arrives from the north.
- CARDONA: But what of the hard sciences? Is the evidence there?
Once again, I can only mention a few items here, but that an
enormous flood had once swept down from the north to scour the
land surface of North America has been suggested by J. Harlan
Bretz. So, similarly, with C. Warren Hunt who speaks of evidence
pointing to a flood from the north, excavating the land as it
went before it emptied into Lake Bonneville. That Lake
Bonneville itself also burst its bounds to cause a secondary
flood has been documented by Robert Jarred and Harold Malde.
What is of additional interest here is that the area once
covered by this lake constitutes a vast salt deposit 100 square
miles [= ten miles square] in extent. Similar signs of a vast
scouring flood from the north have also been discovered in
Siberia. ... [T]his flood was [not] due to the catastrophic
melting of the northern ice cap at the end of the Ice Age
[since, at that] time, the northern ice cap had not yet been
formed.
... THE CHURNING OF THE OCEAN
... [T]he Indic myth from the Mahabharata and the Bhagavata
Purana [says]: In an effort to produce ... divine nectar, both
gods and demons used Mount Mandara as a churning stick. Winding
the serpent Vasuki, [or] Ananta, around Mount Mandara, ...
depicted not in the form of a mountain, but in that of a pillar
... the gods (at one end) and the demons (at the other) grasped
hold of Vasuki by the head and tail and, pulling him back and
forth, were able to rotate Mount Mandara fast enough to whisk
the sea into an ocean of milk from which amrita was produced.
... [T]hus ... the mythic World Mountain and the Axis Mundi were
one and the same. In fact, it has long been known to Indologists
that Mount Mandara stood for the axis of the world. ... In
Vasuki we recognize the bolus flow wrapped around the central
vortex -- and here it is interesting to note that this entity
was 'associated with the north,' thus locating the entire action
in that locality. Finally, in the divinities' churning by
pulling at the coiled Vasuki this way and that way, an echo is
retained of the clockwise/counterclockwise rotation of the bolus
flow as described by Jueneman.
... The elements contained in the myth of the churning of the
ocean must not be thought of as uniquely Hindu in origin. In the
Hindu myth, for instance, we see that Mandara was placed on the
back of a tortoise. In Chinese mythology, it is Shang-ti who is
depicted as standing on the celestial tortoise, while the
serpent was said to have encircled the tortoise. Shang-ti's
title was The Holy and Propitious Prince of the North Pole, who
is usually represented as surrounded by a halo, both of which
have special meaning to this study. It is also noteworthy that
the symbolism of the tortoise and serpent goes at least as far
back as the Han dynasty and was used as an emblem for the
northern region of the world. More than that, as Lord of the
Centre, Shang-ti was also revered as Huang-ti, who is perhaps
better known as the Yellow Lord or Yellow Emperor. The Yellow
Emperor has long been acknowledged to be an avatar of Saturn.
And in the Japanese Kojiki we learn of the Heavenly Jeweled
Spear which joined heaven to Earth and which acted as the
churning stick responsible for the surfacing of the mythical ...
island of Onogoro [in the sky].
=========================Postby Lloyd » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:13
am
__GREAT FLOOD PROTECTION
- It's certainly possible that there are or were physical ETs
who planted us on the Earth and saved enough living things in
times of cataclysms to repopulate the planet afterwards. But I'm
inclined more to think that it's angels who do those things.
There seems to be more evidence that angels or spirits exist
than that ETs exist. The evidence of UFOs etc could actually be
evidence of angels, as well as mankind's own recent inventions
to some extent. Where the Bible speaks about God, it seems to
mean angels of God. For example, the beings who visited Abraham
before the destruction of Sodom and Gemorah were referred to as
Lord, men and angels. The story of Moses and the burning bush
where God spoke to him is repeated in the Book of Acts, I think,
and there it's stated, I think by Stephen, that it was an angel
who spoke to Moses. So I think the Bible only refers to the
doings of angels, not really to those of "God". If I were an
advanced being, I think I'd certainly prefer to have an immortal
spirit body, than a mortal physical one, if I could manage it. I
do believe in holistic, infinitely caring consciousness by the
way.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:17 pm
__AREAS LACKING SEDIMENTARY ROCK
Gordon, do you think sedimentary rock strata locations indicate
where the Great Flood occurred? And do you think where there are
no sedimentary rock strata, the Flood did not occur? Here's a
map of Precambrian strata locations in a light pinkish color,
while sedimentary locations are light greenish:
HTML http://higheredbcs.wiley.com/legacy/college/levin/0471697435/chap_tut/images/nw0167-nn.jpg
The site is:
HTML http://higheredbcs.wiley.com/legacy/college/levin/0471697435/chap_tut/chaps/chapter08-07.html
The main locations where Flood deposits are minimal or none are
in much of eastern Canada & Greenland, Antarctica, eastern South
America, southwestern Africa and other spotted locations in
Eurasia & Australia.
If the Flood was not significant in those areas, then organisms
could have probably survived there without an ark.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Tue Jan 19, 2016
12:40 pm
__UNFLOODED LANDS
I say that the frequently fossiliferous Cambrian and "above"
sequences were deposited during the flood, in at least three
major stages marked by the PreCambrian/Cambrian ["explosion"],
PT [Permian/Triassic extinctions] and KT [Cretaceous/Tertiary
extinctions] stratigraphic boundaries found globally. Add the
Pliocene/Pleistocene groupings as a 4th major ending event [the
Ice Epoch].
No, I would not say that there was no major flooding where there
are no sedimentary rocks, nor that possibly living things
survived on land not flooded. I do hold that some sea creatures
survived the flood, as there is no indication in the biblical
record of Noah being commissioned to save them; and in geology
we find that fossilized sea creatures are found generally buried
in strata beneath the fossils of land creatures -- this "first
burial" trend would be expected since their habitats are "lower"
than those of the land creatures. Standard model "shallow sea"
explanations are to me indicators of creatures washed over onto
and buried on the ancient continental shelves or lowland areas,
which could be nearly anywhere on the ancient supercontinent
before the formation of the boundary [brake] mountain ranges.
The Precambrian rock areas may have not been flooded or were
washed clean as they were being uplifted toward the end of the
flood into the exposed areas they now are found. There are no
indicators from fossil evidence or otherwise that these "shield"
regions were areas where anything survived the cataclysm;
however the lack of fossils and the metamorphic/intrusive
morphologies of Precambrian sequences in general do place them
as being formed before the deluge, possibly primordial, or as
vestiges of the original uplift of the continents above the
primordial sea.
Other areas where there are no [exposed] sedimentary sequences
are regions of "recent" [last stages of flood and post-flood]
volcanism, so these would be an "afterthought" of the cataclysm,
although the causation of these later events was definitely put
in place by the flood apparati. Hence volcanic arcs are found
adjacent/parallel to boundary ranges and trenches, etc. and/or
other stressed areas of the continents.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:39 pm
__UNFLOODED BEDROCK
Since the Great Flood likely deposited nearly all of the
sedimentary rock strata, why did it not deposit anything in the
numerous shield regions? Since Noah's ark is likely to have
referred to the Saturn Configuration, the actual survival of
humans and animals would be likely due to one or two of two
possibilities:
1. the Flood did not cover the entire surface of the Earth (some
or all of the shield regions);
2. humans in many locations independently took to boats and
ships for the duration of the Flood and animals lived on some of
the ships and/or on floating mats of logs and debris.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Mon Jan 25, 2016
4:03 am
The shield regions are Pre-Cambrian exposures that do show some
large-scale erosive/depositional action, eg. drumlins on the
Canadian shield in Ontario; just because there are no major
stratigraphic sequences doesn't mean they were untouched by
flood tides or currents.
--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:16 am
__GC CHRONOLOGY
... My views? Multiple catastrophes with the last major one
approx 12,000 years ago. The last of the lesser approx 1200BCE.
I'm more interested in the human side of things rather than the
Earth/science side.
- ... If there was a 'global' flood then it would have been
12000 ya. It can't have been either the MBA or LBA collapses as
there were still several peoples, eg, Egyptians, Indians etc who
didn't completely collapse. ...
--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:37 am
... (As I see it) Venus and Mars were definitely involved in the
LBA collapse as were Jupiter and the Sun. Homer makes this
clear. Whether Venus was involved in any of the previous
incidents is hard to say partly because it is difficult to know
in which time period a story takes place.
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... Nanodiamond-Rich Layer across Three Continents Consistent
with Major Cosmic Impact at 12,800 Cal BP
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_2) [1-2e] - WETTER CLIMATE - ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS - CONFERENCE
- 1. ADVANCED CIVILIZATION - ATLANTIS - ADVANCED ANCIENT
CIVILIZATION - POST-FLOOD RESETTLEMENT - HUMAN MIGRATION -
SABOTAGE - ELONGATED SKULLS - ELONGATED SKULLS - ANCIENT ALIENS
- BABEL
__WETTER CLIMATE
- GLOBAL CLIMATE WETTER FOR CENTURIES AFTER THE FLOOD
In the Middle East prior to 1000 BC large forest trees covered
especially the higher elevations. Israel and Jordan supported a
wild animal population not unlike that of North Africa. Similar
evidence exists for North and South America, Asia and Australia
(Jonathan Gray, The Corpse Came Back, chapter 20). And the
transition from ice age to the present desert environment took
place between 2250 to 2000 BC. (See Appendix 1.)
__ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS DURING GREAT FLOOD
- Evidence of Civilization Destroyed by Global Cataclysm
CITY 6,000 FEET UNDER THE SEA
-In 1965 a research vessel, "Anton Brunn", was investigating the
Nazca Trench, off Peru. At a depth of 6,000 feet a photograph
revealed huge upright pillars and walls, some of which seemed to
have writing on them. In other nearby locations, apparently
artificially shaped stones lay on their sides, as though they
had toppled over.
- ARTIFACTS UNCOVERED
-1-In Western Australia in 1975, water drillers near Perth
struck a concrete wall 30 feet below the surface.
-2-At Aix-en-Provence, France, from 1786 to 1788, coins, stumps
of columns and other worked stones, were discovered 50 feet
down, below eleven beds of compact limestone.
-3-At Blue Lick Springs, Kentucky, underground, below the
remains of a prehistoric mastodon, was discovered a pavement of
cut-stone tiles.
-4-In the autumn of 1868, in a strip of coal mine near
Hammondsville, Ohio, at 100 feet below ground was found a large,
smooth, slate wall covered with inscriptions similar to
hieroglyphics, in lines about three inches apart. Crowds flocked
to see, but the slate soon crumbled and the writing was
destroyed.
-5-In November 1829, in a quarry twelve miles northwest of
Philadelphia, at a depth of 69-70 feet below ground, a block of
marble was found, which bore an indentation containing the
raised alphabet characters 'I' and 'U'. Two years later the
discovery appeared in an illustration in the American Journal of
Science, vol.19, p.361.
-6-In Omaha, Nebraska, about 130 feet underground, coalminers
found a carved slab of rock with diamond shapes. In the centre
of each diamond was an engraving of a human face (Omaha Daily
News, 1897).
-7-In 1928 in coal mine No. 5, near Heavener, Oklahoma, at a
depth of two miles, miners encountered a wall composed of 12
inch cube concrete blocks polished so that all six sides acted
as mirrors. About 100 to 150 yards further down the shaft, the
same wall or one very similar was uncovered. That part of the
mine was then filled up.
-8-Coal was NOT laid down 300 million years ago, but very
recently, after civilized man.
-9-Huge stone cities, very ancient, with paved streets and tall
pyramids choked with forest, have been sighted in the Amazon
jungle. climate was more temperate and the rivers drained a
fertile area. their alphabetic letters were Phoenician and
Greek, 3,000 to 4,000 years ago. the whole Amazon basin was a
shallow inland sea that existed AS RECENTLY AS 1200 BC. People
wall-papered their houses with thin sheets of beaten gold. The
people had fine features. They used gold coinage and operated
fleets. Their buildings were of shining white stone. Their
cities boasted magnificent plazas, paved streets, ornamented
temples, round-topped pyramids, mansions and fountains. They
erected lighthouses and used lenses and reflectors, the elements
of the telescope. And the cities were walled against the sea of
the Maranon (the Amazon Sea). According to native traditions,
they used a light source akin to our electric bulb.
- South America was well known in antiquity. Before the jungle
took over, it was resplendent with great cities. Many ancient
traditions speak of an advanced culture which flourished
thousands of years ago to the north and west of the Brazilian
highlands. Books of wonderfully executed paintings and
hieroglyphics have been found among naked Panos savages of the
deep Peruvian forests near the gorge of the Ucayle, in the
Amazon hea
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Re: 2b. TB/Human Evidence
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500 Million-Year-Old Human Footprint Fossil Baffles Scientists
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