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__STRATA FORMATION
7. The geologic column is said to be the complete sedimentary
rock record, from the basement granite rock to the most recent
strata at the top.
7a. The complete geologic column is said to exist in 24 large
basins worldwide on the continents.
7b. Basins are theorized to have formed from large meteor
impacts. The deepest basin is possibly at the Caspian Sea, which
is over 20 km deep, filled with sedimentary rock strata. Other
basins are also fairly deep.
8. Sedimentary rock strata cover about 75% of the continents, I
think, and average about a mile thick. Some limestone, such as
along the Gulf of Mexico, is 7 km or so thick, like in many
basins as well.
9. The geologic column consists of 6 megasequences, each of
which appear to have been deposited by major flooding during
"transgression" (rising water) and sometimes partially removed
during "regression" (falling flood water). The Canadian shield
and other locations appear to be where regression removed all of
the sediment.
9a. The duration between megasequences appears to have been
brief, because very little rain erosion appears to have occurred
between their depositions.
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__GLOBAL ROCK STRATA MEGASEQUENCES
_Creationists support megasequences in a modified geologic
column. Would it be satisfactory to refer to it as the Flood
Geologic Column? You can find megasequences in several articles
at
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Here are some samples.
__JOURNAL OF CREATION 29(2) 2015 || OVERVIEWS
Can ‘megasequences’ help define biblical geologic history?
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[This says Creationist geologists, Austin, Wise and Snelling
first considered the idea of Sloss unconformity-bound sequences
as Great Flood megasequences. Then here's a quote re Clarey et
al, which is followed by discussion and conclusion, which is
similar to your caution, I think. Ed.]
_p.29:
Young-earth creationist Clarey reported on the results of his
analyses of transcontinental Sloss stratigraphic sequences,
which he also defines as ‘megasequences’:
_“Using data from over 500 stratigraphic columns, I examined
megasequences across North America to document the sedimentary
evidence for the Flood’s catastrophe. At each site, the
megasequence boundaries were identified, along with the
thicknesses and extent of individual rock types.”51
_A new seventh megasequence was identified by Clarey at the
Midcontinent Rift of North America:
_“Preliminary results demonstrate the presence of a seventh
megasequence below the six common fossil-bearing megasequences.
It lies just below the Sauk Megasequence in what secularists
[i.e. naturalists] call the late Precambrian or Proterozoic Era.
However, this newly delineated pre-Sauk sequence may be
instrumental in documenting the onset of the Flood.
_“In part, the pre-Sauk megasequence was created by a tremendous
outpouring of basaltic lava that split open central North
America and caused the Midcontinent Rift.
__The Importance of Unconformity-Bounded Sequences in Flood
Stratigraphy (1995)
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... In conclusion, it is suggested that megasequences (and their
bounding unconformities) can indicate globally-controlled
tectonic (including volcanic), tidal, eustatic and hydraulic
activity, which would have controlled sedimentation during the
Flood. Unconformities are understood to be erosive boundaries
created by the combination of tectonic movements, tidal effects,
eustasy and hydraulic action. As explained earlier,
unconformities do have time significance, as they mark the
occurrence of an event in real time which interrupted the
otherwise continuous deposition of sediments during the Flood.
The determination of MSQs in a region gives the stratigraphic
framework of the depositional history of the Genesis Flood for
that region. From the correlation of MSQs, it may be possible to
construct a Flood stratigraphic framework in which to interpret
the depositional history of the Genesis Flood for the entire
earth. As Table 10 shows, the example correlation done suggests
that five of the inter-regional unconformities defined in each
region are possibly world-wide in extent, indicating the
possibility that five major tectonic/ eustatic (or other) events
were globally-controlled. It is suggested that this concept be
adopted for interpreting Flood geology for several reasons,
including the fact that MSQs are defined by physical boundaries
(unconformities), and are thus lithostratigraphic (as opposed to
time stratigraphic [evolutionary]). Each sequence refers to a
cluster of strata of varying but continuous (relative) age, that
is, continuous deposition (within the sequence/depocentre). It
is suggested that MSQs represent more coherent subdivisions of
geologic time within a single tectonic domain during the Flood,
and should be utilised to replace the presently used
uniformitarian geologic time system for analysis of the
depositional history of the Genesis Flood.
[table 10 shows which strata in each several parts of the globe
appear to belong in which global megasequence, but prior tables
show details.]
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__CAUSE OF THE GREAT FLOOD
_I assume Mike thinks the flood was caused by ocean impacts, but
I don't think those would have been enough. Baumgardner's model
has an elliptically orbiting body (like the Moon?) causing tidal
waves about monthly at perigee. The reason his model seems
partly correct is that on the continents there are 5 or 6
megasequences of conforming rock strata with unconformities
between each megasequence, so it looks like there was something
causing flooding regularly for several months. I mean at about
monthly intervals something caused tidal waves carrying &
depositing sediments for some days, then they stopped for a
while, then restarted again and the cycle repeated 5 or 6 times
during the entire Flood. That sounds like something an
elliptically orbiting body would cause.
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__MAPS OF SEDIMENTARY ROCK STRATA MEGASEQUENCES: (CHRONOMETER?)
_In other words, these maps may help determine the timeline for
major catastrophic events. I was just looking over the following
online paper and made some interesting observations.
__Use of Sedimentary Megasequences to Re-create Pre-Flood
Geography
HTML https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1036&context=icc_proceedings
_p359 This shows an interesting map of Pangaea, much of it under
shallow seas. The paper only deals with the Americas and Africa.
_p363 The Zuni megasequence (the one before the Cenozoic) covers
the Gulf of Mexico and offshore from west & southeast Africa
_p364 It covers offshore from east South America
_p366 The Tejas megasequence (from Cenozoic to now) covers the
Gulf of Mexico and offshore from east North America
_p367 It covers similar to p363, but also into the Mediterranean
Sea and the Red Sea
_p368 It covers similar to p364, and also the southern part of
the Gulf of Mexico and into the Caribbean Sea
_The first four megasequences, before Zuni and Tejas, do not
cover the Gulf of Mexico or offshore areas in the Atlantic etc.
_Floods likely deposited each megasequence. The Great Flood
likely deposited one or more of the lower megasequences,
probably the first 3 or 4. The Shock Dynamics asteroid strike
that broke up Pangaea likely caused one or more megasequences,
apparently the last 2, because they are the only ones that cover
the Gulf of Mexico and parts of the Atlantic, which didn't open
up until Pangaea broke apart. The Younger Dryas impact event may
have caused one or more megasequences as well, but that's less
certain.
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recently in this post:
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It shows that the Zuni megasequence is the bottom one in the
Gulf of Mexico. Zuni was apparently the last and uppermost
megasequence deposited by the Great Flood. Since the Gulf likely
formed during the breakup of Pangaea, which was after the Great
Flood, there shouldn't be Zuni sediment in the Gulf, UNLESS....
Mike told me that the Zuni sediment likely got there by flood
erosion during the breakup, or from coastal slumping.
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__WHY RETHINK CARDONA'S TIMELINE
__OBJECTIVE, NON-CREATIONIST ARGUMENTS FOR REDUCING THE AGES OF
THE GEOLOGIC COLUMN
__MEGASEQUENCES.
_There are remnants of 6 megasequences of rock strata worldwide.
_The strata within each megasequence are all conforming.
_The top of each megasequence is leveled flat by sheet erosion,
but very little channeled erosion followed before the next
megasequence was deposited.
_Therefore, very little time must have passed between each pair
of megasequence depositions.
(Since Mike says the Tejas came hundreds of years after the
Zuni, is there much erosion between them?)
__CONCLUSION: THERE WAS A GREAT FLOOD OR FLOODS.
_The sedimentary rock strata were apparently deposited by one or
more Great Floods.
_The first five megasequences must have been deposited during a
Flood of the Pangaea supercontinent, which was all lowland.
_The last megasequence must have been deposited when the
supercontinent broke apart, such as by an asteroid impact.
_Dinosaur fossils are found in the earlier megasequence, while
large mammal fossils are found in the last one.
... Since the Younger Dryas sediments are at the top of the
geologic column, the Great Flood that deposited most of the
megasequences must have occurred before the Younger Dryas event.
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SEMIGLOBAL SEDIMENTARY ROCK MEGASEQUENCES
_I discussed this quite a bit on page 37 of this thread at
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_My first headlines there are PANGAEA BROKE UP AFTER, NOT
DURING(?), THE GREAT FLOOD
and HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE NEWGEOLOGY EARTH HISTORY TIMELINE
(Click the link to see it).
_Almost halfway down the page is this highlighted title: Use of
Sedimentary Megasequences to Re-create Pre-Flood Geography which
has this link:
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_From that I made a collection of images at
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which I copied to my private board at
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__SEDIMENTARY ROCK FORMATION.
_That collection of images includes 4 graphs combined into 1,
showing the amount of sediment in each megasequence in North and
South America and in Africa. The numbers on the left indicate
how many cubic kilometers of sediment are in each megasequence.
The graph goes as high as 60 million. The Zuni megasequence in
Africa has nearly that much sediment.
_The next 12 images below the graph/s show the coverage and
locations of each megasequence on each of the 3 continents. Each
tsunami cycle started with rising sea level and ended with
falling sea level. The rising sea level deposited sediment and
falling sea level washed away the higher altitude sediments down
to lower altitudes. The white areas are where the sediments were
washed away from the highlands.
_Mike Fischer suggested that the sediments came mostly from the
continental shelves around the supercontinent, Pangaea.
__HUDSON BAY FORMED BEFORE THE FLOOD.
_The first megasequence combination filled in the Hudson Bay
area in Canada and north of there, but later megasequences
didn't add anything to it. It's apparent that there was a large
impact crater before the Great Flood, which the first
megasequence filled in.
__GULF OF MEXICO FORMED DURING OR AFTER THE FLOOD.
_The first megasequence combination and the Absaroka
megasequence did not fill in the Gulf of Mexico. But the last
two megasequences did fill it in, as you can see. This seems to
be good evidence that the Gulf of Mexico formed during or after
the Great Flood. Mike Fischer thinks the Zuni megasequence was
the last one deposited during the Great Flood and the Tejas
megasequence was deposited 500 years later during the Pangaea
breakup. But it seems to me that the Zuni and Tejas both must
have deposited during the later Flood.
__PANGAEA WAS 2 LARGE ISLANDS?
_The last image shows the 3 continents together along with most
of the rest of the continents as part of the former
supercontinent, Pangaea. You can see that there appear to have
been large inland seas on the supercontinent which divided it
into 2 large islands. If it's correct, it suggests that flora
and fauna, including dinosaurs, would likely have been different
on the two Islands, since the seas seem to be too wide to cross.
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__WAS ZUNI OR TEJAS MEGASEQUENCE LONG AFTER THE GREAT FLOOD?
_To get an idea if either one was likely long after the Flood, I
made a note to See if fossils changed much from Zuni to Tejas
megasequences. They should have changed a lot if they were 500
years apart. Also see if Absaroka to Zuni changed much. Maybe
Zuni and Tejas both were long after the Flood.
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__ALMOST NO EROSION BETWEEN MEGASEQUENCES
_Last year it occurred to me that the megasequences of
sedimentary strata must have been deposited in a short period of
time if there is little or no channeled erosion evident between
them. I haven't given that enough thought though. If the Great
Flood deposited the bottom 4 or 5 megasequences (Zuni being
number 5) and if it occurred several centuries before the
Younger Dryas event, and if the Younger Dryas event included a
major flood that deposited the final megasequence/s (Tejas being
number 6 and last), there should have been a lot of erosion of
channels or ditches in the Zuni. See the following maps.
__SEDIMENTARY ROCK STRATA MEGASEQUENCES MAPS OF THE AMERICAS &
AFRICA
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_In the top row of maps there of North America, the first two
show no megasequences in the Gulf of Mexico. That seems to be
because the Gulf had not yet formed because Pangaea was not yet
hit by the asteroid that broke it up and opened up the Gulf and
the Atlantic Ocean and some of the Indian Ocean.
_Since the Zuni and Tejas strata are both in the Gulf, the Gulf
must have opened up at that point, so the asteroid must have hit
Pangaea just before that. The next two rows of maps of South
America and Africa show a similar pattern. It's mostly only Zuni
and Tejas sediments that flowed into the Gulf of Mexico and the
Atlantic Ocean from South America and into the Mediterranean Sea
and the Atlantic and Indian Oceans from Africa.
_Another problem is that it looks like the Zuni and Tejas
sediments also underlie the area of the Great Pyramid along the
Nile in Egypt. It looks like maybe a kilometer or more of those
sediments. That would mean that the Great Pyramid would have
been built on top of all that afterwards.
_So it seems that Mike Fischer must have been wrong about the
Pangaea breakup having occurred centuries after the Great Flood.
Maybe there was only one Great Flood at the time of the Younger
Dryas. But I had previously concluded that Tiahuanaco was likely
built soon after the Great Flood before Pangaea broke up and
caused Tiahuanaco to be raised up from sea level to its present
height of 12 thousand feet.
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__RETHINKING OUT LOUD
_Earth History is a huge puzzle. By rearranging the puzzle
pieces I hope to find which ones fit together. Sometimes two or
more pieces are so similar that they seem to fit when they
really don't. The situation sometimes gets mind-boggling, but
then I start working on a different part of the puzzle for a
while, & sometimes the boggling decreases. Si?
__GREAT FLOOD DEPOSITED MEGASEQUENCES
_Mseq means megasequence (of sedimentary rock strata).
_1. There are 6 or 7 Mseq's (from bottom to top): PreSauk(?),
Sauk, Tippe., Kas., Absar., Zuni, Tejas
_Are there erosion channels (ditches) evident in the top surface
of any mseq?
__PROBABLY NOT (as I said in my previous post)
_2. If not, then all of the mseq's were likely deposited in
close succession during the Great Flood.
_3. Since Zuni & Tejas are about the only mseq's in
the Gulf of Mexico, the Mediterranean Sea & the edges of the
Atlantic & Indian Oceans,
and since those bodies of water likely formed as Pangaea broke
up from a major impact,
it's likely that Pangaea broke up before those last two mseq's
were deposited
(contrary to what I've been thinking for the past year nearly).
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__WHICH STRATA BELONG TO WHICH MEGASEQUENCE
_Can ‘megasequences’ help define biblical geologic history?
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_The 6 mseq's are: 1) Sauk, 2) Tippecanoe, 3) Kaskaskia, 4)
Absaroka, 5) Zuni, and 6) Tejas.
_According to this article, the following conventionally named
strata occurred approximately within each mseq.
1) Sauk: +Cambrian+
2) Tippecanoe: -Ordovician +Silurian+
3) Kaskaskia: -Devonian +Mississippian
4) Absaroka: Pennsylvanian +Permian +Triassic+
5) Zuni: -Jurassic +Cretaceous+
6) Tejas: -Tertiary+
__CREATIONIST ARTICLE HAS POSSIBLE EVIDENCE THAT PANGAEA BROKE
UP CENTURIES AFTER THE GREAT FLOOD
_Mike Fischer says that, so I'm posting most of the latter part
of the article here. Subtitles in brackets are mine.
__Use of Sedimentary Megasequences to Re-create Pre-Flood
Geography (2018)
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__Upland Areas
__[MSEQ's ARE THICKEST NEAR EDGES OF CONTINENTS]
_Our study found that all megasequences thinned toward the
crystalline shield areas on all three continents.
_The sedimentary units do not merely show evidence of erosion
and truncation, but become thinner in the direction of the
shields,
implying they were deposited on the flanks of extensive uplands.
[See Figure 10.]
_Figure 14 shows four stratigraphic profiles across the northern
USA.
_All show dramatic thinning of the megasequences from south to
north toward the shield, in support of this interpretation.
__[ZUNI MSEQ WAS THE HIGH WATER MARK OF THE FLOOD]
_The top of the Zuni megasequence (fifth megasequence) seems to
represent the highest water level of the Flood
as water washed over the top of the pre-Flood high hills and
uplands, giving the most globally extensive deposition of any
megasequence (Figs. 11, 12, 13).
_Recall, the Zuni megasequence also has the maximum volume of
sediment deposited globally (Fig. 7).
_This deposit likely represents the Day 150 high water point of
the Flood.
_Many of these interpreted upland areas are completely devoid of
any sedimentary rock
as post-Flood erosion has stripped the little amount of possible
Zuni sediment that may have been deposited.
_According to Genesis 7:20, the highest hills were only flooded
by a modest amount of water,
likely leaving little room for thick sedimentary deposits as the
Flood waters receded.
_However, there are a few Zuni remnants in Hudson Bay and
Michigan and Illinois in North America
that indicate the highest water level was achieved at this point
in the Flood (Fig. 11).
_Humphreys (2014, p. 57) in his translation of Genesis 6:7 and
Genesis 7:23 suggests the term ‘wiped off”
to explain this stripping of the land surface right down to the
crust: ....
_“Thus He wiped off every living thing that was upon the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of
the sky,
and they were wiped off from the earth…” (emphasis in original).
...
_“Taking these verses straightforwardly means the waters swept
mud, plants, the animals completely off the formerly dry land,
the pre-Flood continental surface” (Humphreys 2014, p. 57).
_And this is exactly what we see across large portions of the
continents.
_The pre-Flood uplands include the major shield areas of Canada,
Greenland, Brazil and Central and Western Africa.
_When placed back together in a Pangaea-like configuration, the
upland areas match up across continents and become quite
substantial (Fig 8 ).
__[TEJAS IS ERODED DEPOSITS FROM ZUNI; COAL, MAMMALS, HUMANS]
_The Tejas megasequence rocks likely represent material washed
off the highest upland areas of the pre-Flood world
and ‘backwashed’ onto the Zuni as the Flood waters began to
recede (Day 150+) (Figs. 15, 16, 17).
_Fossils in the Tejas megasequence also contain increasingly
more angiosperms and mammal fossils compared to the Zuni
deposits,
indicative of more upland terrains.
_These areas were apparently wiped free of all life, removing
even the pre-Flood soil and any rock layers that might have
existed there.
_Deposits in the Tejas include the thickest and most extensive
coal seams in the world (Clarey 2017a).
[See Figure 13.]
_These huge mats of transported trees, almost exclusively
non-lycopods, likely represented plants swept off the uplands.
_[] the Flood, apparently ‘wiped off’ these areas of highest
elevation, where most of the large mammals, flowering plants and
possibly humans may have existed,
spreading their remains in sedimentary layers on top of the
earlier buried dinosaurs in rocks now identified as Cenozoic
strata.
__[TEJAS DEPOSITIONAL DIFFERENCES]
_Animals were likely buried closer to their place of origin as
the Flood waters were rising
(from the Sauk through the Zuni megasequences) until Day 150 was
reached.
_The water and sediment engulf[ed] them nearly in situ as the
water level increased.
_Advancing and rising Flood water probably buried marine animals
in shallow seas in the first three megasequences
and the dinosaurs and other and wetland animals were later
buried near their lowland locations (with some obvious
transport).
_Hence, [this is] a possible reason for the ‘straddling’ of the
dinosaur quarries across this so-called ‘peninsula’ of lowlands
that extended through the central USA (Clarey 2015).
_But the Tejas depositional pattern appears to have been
different.
_It was ... apparently [the] result of a reversal in flow
direction as [x] began to remove the waters from off the
continents (post-Day 150).
_This not only transported the flora and fauna from off of the
highest hills (uplands),
it spread those deposits more radially toward the continental
margins.
_Animals and plants that lived in areas that are now exposed
crystalline rock (the Precambrian shields),
were transported great distances and deposited on top of the
Zuni strata and sometimes older exposed strata too.
__[FLOOD WATER FLOW NORTHWARD]
_Is there any evidence of a reversal of water flow direction at
the Zuni/Tejas boundary as suggested by this hypothesis? The
answer is yes.
[See Figures 14, 15, 16, 17.]
_Although Chadwick’s (2001) current direction data is less
conclusive across the Zuni/Tejas (K-Pg) boundary (Clarey 2017b),
research by Blum and Pecha (2014) using detrital zircons did
show a dramatic shift in the direction of drainage from the
Cretaceous
(uppermost Zuni) to the Paleocene (lowermost Tejas) across North
America.
_These authors found that during deposition of the Cretaceous
(Zuni Sequence),
the drainage pattern was dominantly to the north and northwest
across much of the USA.
_Drainage was to the Boreal Sea near present-day Alberta and
Saskatchewan.
_They also determined that very little area was draining to the
Gulf of Mexico (GOM) during this time.
__[TEJAS WATER FLOW SOUTHWARD]
_In contrast, they determined that the Paleocene drainage
shifted dramatically from that of the Cretaceous,
resulting in much of the USA draining southward to the GOM (Blum
and Pecha 2014).
_As noted on their map, this was not a single river like the
modern Mississippi River, but a series of rivers,
effectively behaving more like sheet wash, draining into the GOM
all at once.
[COMMENT: Cardona stated in Thoth that some Native Americans
said the Flood came from the north. The Tejas southward flood
flow sounds like Younger Dryas flooding, instead of the Great
Flood. So maybe Mike is right, that the Tejas came some
centuries later.]
_This shift in drainage coincides nicely with the end of the
Zuni megaequence and the onset of the Tejas megaequence.
_Blum and Pecha (2014) believe this change in drainage occurred
because of the high flooding levels of the North American
continent during the Upper Cretaceous, known as the Cretaceous
Interior Seaway.
_They claim that the withdrawal of the flood waters during the
uppermost Cretaceous and earliest Paleocene
caused significant reorganization in the drainage pattern and a
reverse in flow toward the GOM.
_Clarey and Parkes (2016) used this documented shift in drainage
at the Zuni/Tejas boundary
to explain the Whopper Sand in the deep-water of the Gulf of
Mexico (Fig. 18).
_Since 2001, with the drilling of the BAHA-2 oil well,
billions of barrels of oil have been discovered in the
Paleocene-Eocene Wilcox-equivalent “Whopper Sand” (Higgs 2009).
_This well reportedly encountered 335 m (1100 feet) of sand in
the Lower Wilcox
in over 2135 m (7000 feet) of water within the Perdido Fold Belt
of Alaminos Canyon.
_In Keathley Canyon the Sardinia-1 well encountered over 366 m
(1200 feet) of sand and in Walker Ridge,
the Jack-2 well and Chinook and Cascade-2 wells reached
similarly thick Lower Wilcox sands approaching 580 m (1900 feet)
thick (Trammel 2006).
_Average porosity in the whopper sand is 18% and permeabilities
range from 10-30 md (Trammel 2006).
_Up to 15 billion barrels have been discovered in this trend
since 2001.
_What makes the Whopper Sand unusual is its location in deep
water, nearly 300 km from the Lower Wilcox shelf margin,
and far from any conventional sand source (Higgs 2009).
[See Figure 18.]
_Clarey and Parkes (2016) believe the Whopper Sand may be a
consequence of this rapid drainage shift at the Zuni/Tejas
boundary,
when water suddenly began to drain off the North American
continent (Interior Seaway)
into the GOM, permanently reversing the earlier direction of
flow.
_This shift is marked by the sudden change in deposition from
the uppermost Zuni layer (the Lower Paleocene Midway Shale)
to the lowermost Tejas (PaleoceneEocene Whopper Sand).
_In a Flood model, this would coincide with the change in water
direction described for Day 150+ of the Flood.
__[TEJAS SEA LEVEL DROP]
_Initial drainage rates in the Paleocene, coinciding with a
sudden drop in sea level at the onset of the Tejas,
were likely high volume and highly energetic, providing a
possible mechanism to transport the thick Whopper Sand into
deep-water.
_Over time, the drainage volume lessened, lowering the energy
available for transport, until the present-day pattern
developed.
_We now observe small flows compared to what was likely
happening during the initial draining of the vast North American
platform at the start of the Tejas.
__[LACK OF HUMAN FOSSILS]
_This hypothesis may also help explain the lack of human fossils
in the rock record.
_Most pre-Flood humans likely survived until close to Day 150
and were probably clinging to the areas of highest ground.
_As the water levels crested on Day 150, humans were ‘wiped
off,’ spreading their dead bodies in all directions from a zone
of concentration,
radially transporting them great distances.
_This process would have spread their remains and lessened the
likelihood of finding a concentration of human fossils.
_And, if they were not buried deep enough in sediment, they
would not be preserved as fossils either.
_Erosion after the Flood would affect the highest strata the
most and any humans buried in the uppermost few meters as a
consequence.
__[MASSIVE TEJAS IN SOUTH AMERICA & MOUNTAIN RANGES UPLIFT]
_As mentioned earlier, South America has a greater volume of
Tejas than Zuni (Fig. 7).
_Why so much Tejas in South America?
_A lot is probably due to the contribution of Central America
which formed mostly in the Cenozoic (Tejas).
_And it appears the tectonics of both North and South America
played a major role in the volume deposited during the Tejas.
_The higher volume of Tejas sediment on both continents is
partly caused
by the uplift of Tejas-age (Cenozoic) mountain ranges (the Rocky
Mountains and Andes Mountains) that run the length of the
respective continents.
_These major mountain ranges shed tremendous amounts of sediment
during their uplift,
creating great volumes of Tejas sedimentary rock east of the
mountain ranges.
_And combining that with the increased amount of sediment caused
by the formation of Central America,
and we get a greater volume of Tejas deposition for South
America.
_Africa, in contrast, has no significant, Tejas-age (Cenozoic)
mountain ranges
running the length of the continent to provide additional
volumes of Tejas sediment.
__[TEJAS GAPS IN MOUNTAIN RANGES]
_Finally, note that the Tejas isopach maps of North America and
South America show cut-out areas
where no Tejas exists in the regions of the Rocky Mountains and
the Andes Mountains (Figs. 15, 17).
_Erosion has exposed the underlying ... basement rocks in these
location(s) due to Cenozoic uplift.
_This in effect, separated the various sedimentary basins,
particularly in North America.
_The coarseness of the stratigraphic column spacing prevented us
from showing every isolated basin and further details,
and as a result, we acknowledge that there are likely some minor
errors in the map due to averaging between the columns.
_However, we feel the cut-out areas on the maps adequately
portray the basement exposures and the areas where no Tejas
exists.
_Any averaging errors are extremely minor compared to the
continental scale of the maps and the overall totals for the
stratigraphic data.
__[COMMENT: I copied most of the maps from the article at
HTML https://ibb.co/ZcmCxPH
. There you can compare the Zuni to the
Tejas deposition etc. I hope to do some analysis on the maps and
maybe Mike will help.]
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__QUESTIONS FOR MIKE & OTHERS
__MEGASEQUENCE MAPS
_Go to the paper, Use of Sedimentary Megasequences to Re-create
Pre-Flood Geography, at this link 5 times in 5 tabs.
HTML https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1036&context=icc_proceedings
__NORTH AMERICA
1. On the first tab (of your computer) scroll to page 354 to
show the first two mseq's (Sauk & Tippecanoe).
2. On the second tab scroll to page 354 also, but to show the
third mseq (Kaskaskia).
3. On the third tab scroll to page 363 to show the next two
mseq's (Absaroka & Zuni).
4. On the fourth tab scroll to page 366 to show the last mseq
(Tejas).
Zoom in or out on each tab to fill the screen with the map.
Green, yellow & red colors indicate over 7 km deep sedimentary
strata.
Light blue indicates 3-6 km deep sedimentary strata.
Dark blue indicates under 3 km deep sedimentary strata.
__WHEN IMPACT BASINS FORMED
1. Open the first tab and notice that the Sauk entered 3 deep
impact basins at N. Canada, Nova Scotia & N. Carolina, and
shallower ones in Nevada, Alberta etc.
The Tippecanoe strata entered a very deep impact basin in W.
Alaska & a deep one in N. Greenland.
2. At the second tab the Kaskaskia strata entered one deep
impact basin off E. Greenland plus other shallower ones around
the continent.
3. At the third tab the Absaroka strata entered a deep impact
basin in Arkansas & one in Oregon etc.
The Zuni strata then entered a deep impact basin in SW Alaska,
W. Greenland, east & west of Florida & other places.
4. At the fourth tab the Tejas strata entered deep impact basins
at the Aleutian Islands of Alaska, W. Washington & W. Oregon,
and the western Gulf of Mexico etc.
__WHEN THE ATLANTIC FORMED
1,2. There's little or no indication that strata formed off of
the N. American continent in the Atlantic Ocean or the Gulf of
Mexico during the first 3 mseq's
(Sauk, Tippecanoe, Kaskaskia).
3. The Absaroka strata did not enter any of the Gulf of Mexico.
They did settle off the East coast from Virginia to
Newfoundland, but maybe not beyond the continental shelf.
**The Zuni strata did enter the Gulf of Mexico & it also settled
on the eastern continental shelf or maybe into the Atlantic.
4. The Tejas strata also entered the Gulf of Mexico & also
settled on the shelf etc.
__QUESTION #1. Since the Zuni strata entered the Gulf, doesn't
that mean the Gulf formed at that time from the Shock Dynamics
impact?
__AFRICA
1. Reset the first tab scrolling to page 355 to show the first
two mseq's (Sauk & Tippecanoe).
2. On the second tab scroll to page 355 also, but to show the
third mseq (Kaskaskia).
3. On the third tab scroll to the bottom of page 363 to show the
next two mseq's (Absaroka & Zuni).
4. On the fourth tab scroll to page 367 to show the last mseq
(Tejas).
Zoom in or out on each tab to fill the screen with the map.
__WHEN IMPACT BASINS FORMED
1,2. No impact basins over 4 km deep formed before the first 3
mseq's.
3. 2 or 3 deep impact basins were entered by the Absaroka mseq
around SE Africa.
The Zuni strata entered 3 deep impact basins along the west
coast of Africa, one around Lake Chad and one at the north coast
of Algeria.
4. The Tejas strata entered a deep impact basin on the coast of
Cameroon and another on the north coast of Egypt.
__WHEN THE ATLANTIC & INDIAN OCEANS FORMED
1,2. No strata of the first 3 mseq's entered the ocean basins.
3. **Some Absaroka strata entered the Indian Ocean by E. Africa
& maybe some entered the Atlantic by the NW coast.
**Some Zuni strata entered the eastern Mediterranean, a sliver
of the Red Sea, the Indian Ocean off the SE coast & the Atlantic
along the entire west coast.
4. The Tejas strata entered much of the Mediterranean, the Red
Sea, & both oceans.
__QUESTION #2. **In order for the Absaroka and Zuni strata to
enter the Indian & Atlantic Oceans & the Mediterranean & Red
Seas, wouldn't the Shock Dynamics impact have had to occur at
that time?
__HIGHLIGHTS OF PREVIOUS POST
In my last forum post at
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I copied the last part of the Megasequences paper discussed
above. Here are some highlights from that post.
__CHANGE IN FLOOD WATER FLOW DIRECTIONS
_Is there any evidence of a reversal of water flow direction at
the Zuni/Tejas boundary as suggested by this hypothesis? The
answer is yes.
_These authors found that during deposition of the Cretaceous
(Zuni Sequence),
the drainage pattern was dominantly to the north and northwest
across much of the USA.
_Drainage was to the Boreal Sea near present-day Alberta and
Saskatchewan.
_They also determined that very little area was draining to the
Gulf of Mexico (GOM) during this time.
_In contrast, they determined that the Paleocene drainage
shifted dramatically from that of the Cretaceous,
resulting in much of the USA draining southward to the GOM [Gulf
of Mexico]....
__QUESTION #3. Is it likely that the different directions of
water flow indicate two different Floods, the northward flow of
the Great Flood and the southern flow of the Younger Dryas
Flood?
__TEJAS STRATA
_The Tejas megasequence rocks likely represent material washed
off the highest upland areas of the pre-Flood world
and ‘backwashed’ onto the Zuni as the Flood waters began to
recede
_Fossils in the Tejas megasequence also contain increasingly
more angiosperms and mammal fossils compared to the Zuni
deposits,
indicative of more upland terrains.
_These areas were apparently wiped free of all life, removing
even the pre-Flood soil and any [sedimentary?] rock layers that
might have existed there.
_The higher volume of Tejas sediment on both continents [N. & S.
America] is partly caused
by the uplift of Tejas-age (Cenozoic) mountain ranges (the Rocky
Mountains and Andes Mountains) that run the length of the
respective continents.
_These major mountain ranges shed tremendous amounts of sediment
during their uplift,
creating great volumes of Tejas sedimentary rock east of the
mountain ranges.
_And combining that with the increased amount of sediment caused
by the formation of Central America,
and we get a greater volume of Tejas deposition for South
America.
__QUESTION #4. If the two directions of water flow were due to
two different Floods centuries apart, would the strata of the
first Flood have been still soft enough to erode off the newly
formed mountain ranges during the second Flood?
__QUESTION #5. See References below. Since the Great Pyramid of
Egypt seems to have been built on top of the Tejas megasequence
(from p.367 above), if the Tejas was deposited by the YD Flood,
which Flood was there that flooded the originally 481 foot high
pyramid to the 240-foot level?
__(REFERENCES a & b.
a. Great Pyramid of Giza
HTML https://sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/the_great_pyramid_of_giza.html
Still further evidence that the dynastic Egyptians did not
construct the Great Pyramid of Giza may be found in sediments
surrounding the base of the monument, in legends regarding
watermarks on the stones halfway up its sides, and in salt
incrustations found within. Silt sediments rising to fourteen
feet around the base of the pyramid contain many seashells and
fossils that have been radiocarbon-dated to be nearly twelve
thousand years old. These sediments could have been deposited in
such great quantities only by major sea flooding....
b. Pyramids and Temples in Egypt
HTML https://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sunrise/52-02-3/eg-vonk.htm
Legends and records ... speak of the fact that, before the Arabs
removed the Pyramid's outer casing stones, one could see water
marks on the stones halfway up the Pyramid's height, in about
the 240-foot level, which would be 400 feet above the present
Nile level. — Joseph Jochmans, "How Old Are the Pyramids?")
__P.S. PANGAEA BREAKUP
_In the Conclusions part of the Megasequences paper above is
this paragraph.
"The relative timing of the break-up of Pangaea can also be
inferred from the megasequence data. Deposits on the offshore
shelf regions indicate Africa and North America ... (Absaroka
megasequence) ... split before ... the breakup of Africa and
South America (Zuni megasequence). These data also indicate that
Greenland and the Saudi Arabian peninsula did not fully separate
from their respective continents until the deposition of the
Zuni and Tejas megasequences, respectively, later in the Flood."
__QUESTION #6. This contradicts the Shock Dynamics model. Did
they read the data wrong?
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__TRANSCRIPT OF A NOAH'S FLOOD VIDEO
I discussed this and another video in my previous post. The
following transcript is nearly complete. I only left out some of
the religious discussion. I added headlines in caps to help
navigate for focusing on topics of interest. I plan to compare
this with my findings from other sources and add comments in a
later post.
__Noah's Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (from Pangea to
Today)
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_SEDIMENTARY ROCK MAP. Over 1,800 oilwell boreholes from four
continents have all been compiled and mapped. The newly emerging
map tracks the thickness and extent of each rock type as they
were laid down by the Flood.
_MEGASEQUENCES. This research reveals the same six megasequences
of sedimentary rock deposits across multiple continents. Each
megasequence contains a huge stack of rock, often with
coarse-grained sandstone on the bottom, then finer-grained
deposits like shale, then topped by limestone. Each megasequence
is bounded above and below by flat eroded surfaces called
unconformities.
_FLOOD DEPOSITS. A few places on Earth have layers that
represent all six megasequences. How did they get there? What do
they say about Noah's Flood? Catastrophically water-deposited
sedimentary layers top most of the world's continents. Would
Noah's Flood bring lots of water and lots of mud? Geologists
agree on the six megasequences, but they differ on the time
scale in which they happened. If they took millions of years,
then they have little to do with the Flood. But if they were all
deposited rapidly and recently, then the Flood should come to
mind.
_PANGAEA BREAKUP. Many also question when a larger landmass,
such as a Pangaea-like supercontinent, broke into continents
that moved to their current configuration. For the first time
ever, new megasequence maps allow us to see how the Flood shaped
our entire planet, just like the Bible said, including
reconfiguring the continents.
_EDEN. According to Genesis, the Garden of Eden was a lush
paradise, one that was set up for eternal life, worldwide
vegetarianism and harmony with our Creator. ...
_BIBLE RECORD. Then came the fall. ... God instructed Noah to
make an ark.... Then, in the 600th year of Noah's life, in the
second month, the 17th day of the month, the same day were all
the fountains of the great deep broken up and the windows of
heaven were opened. These two events ... began the first day of
a 371 day long calamity that resurfaced the Earth and killed
everything that moved on land.
_RIFTING. Hot magma mixed with steam pierced the Earth's crust.
Giant rifts or tears ran thousands of miles across the planet.
Scalding hot magma vaporized massive amounts of water that
jetted into the atmosphere. The water fell back to Earth as
intense global rain along with torrential rain from heaven for
40 days.
_TSUNAMIS. Worldwide catastrophic rifting caused massive
mud-filled tsunamis to speed across deep ocean floors, then onto
shallow ocean floors, killing everything in their path.
_MARINE FOSSILS. The first megasequence wipes out mostly shallow
marine habitats.
_VOLCANISM. The bursting fountains of the great deep spew out
megatons of magma and carbon dioxide. Sure enough the first
megasequence rocks show a spike in volcanic activity and massive
amounts of carbon dioxide.
_MARINE FOSSILS. During these first 40 days intense water
currents over-topped most of the flooded continents. Water-laden
sediment travels at hiway speeds. Thick sediment blankets start
covering low regions of the continent. Fossils show that the
first three megasequences buried the shallow seas that were
filled with marine life, as these deposits have almost no trees
or land animals. All three megasequences covered similar
environments across North and South America and Africa, the
three continents mapped so far. One global cause, Noah's Flood,
best explains this one worldwide effect.
_ABSAROKA. Then, by the 40th day of the Flood, the Absaroka
megasequence began hitting. The map showed that this is when
things got much worse. Something shoves the water over the tops
of even the highlands from that ancient world.
_SUBDUCTION. The newly forming ocean floor offshore is so hot
that it starts very thick pushing up the ocean waters from
beneath. Sea level rises dramatically. Molten magma rises and
fills the widening gaps, pushing the mid-ocean ridges wider. The
hot ocean floor shoves against the continents, then slides
beneath it, like giant conveyor belts, deep beneath the Earth in
some places. Rather than the conventional model that has the
seafloors spreading slowly, this runaway subduction actually
happened quickly, moving at about five miles per hour, due to
the heat caused by the friction and pressure of the rapidly
subducting plates.
_PULSING TSUNAMIS. As the diving ocean plates subduct under the
land, they push down the continental edges and then release
them, creating tsunami cycles that blanket the continents, just
how tsunamis happen today, only more intense and frequent.
_MODERN EXAMPLE. For example, the most powerful earthquake ever
recorded in Japan and the fourth largest in history was a
magnitude 9.1 earthquake that occurred in 2011. This earthquake
was caused by an undersea megathrust about 45 miles east of the
Japanese coast. At the center there was a 160 foot slip between
the overriding plate that was part of Japan and the underlying
Pacific plate. The sea bottom rose about 23 feet when the fault
unlocked and the resulting earthquake triggered a devastating
tsunami that was 133 feet above sea level and traveled inland
for six miles.
_TSUNAMI CYCLES. The tsunamis occurring during the Flood however
were different, much different. With the ocean ridge bursting
open rapidly and pushing ocean floor under land continents on a
worldwide scale, tsunamis were happening in cycles, several
every hour and with long stretches of subduction zones active at
the same time. The incoming phase of a tsunami has a much higher
speed and is highly turbulent, which keeps the sediment in
suspension, but it leaves behind layers of sediment as it slows
down in the retreating phase.
_FOSSILS. This cycle repeats several times every hour during the
150-day inundation stage of the Flood, first entombing the
shallow marine life followed by land creatures in different
habitats and elevations, leaving behind what we see today in the
fossil record.
_1700 TSUNAMI. These types of tsunamis have even occurred in
recent history, such as the tsunami caused by slipping ocean
plates that hit the coast of Washington in 1700 and left behind
multiple layers representing each wave of the tsunami.
_SUBDUCTION EVIDENCE. Recent seismic technology actually allows
us to investigate whether this type of rapid subduction
occurred. Sure enough, these scans reveal a ring of unexpectedly
cold rock at the bottom of the mantle beneath the subduction
zones that surround the Pacific Ocean.
_LAND-DWELLING FOSSILS. The severity and elevation of this stage
of the Flood is why the first land creatures and plants start
showing up in the fossil record laid down by the Absaroka
megasequence.
_COAL. Entire ecosystems are buried in enormous deposits that
later turn into coal, such as the extensive Appalachian coal
beds. In fact, the U.S. has over seven trillion tons of coal
reserves. Where did it all come from? While we know that coal is
formed by dead plant material being sandwiched between sediment
layers, we only have enough vegetation on the Earth's surface
today to produce just a fraction of the existing coal reserves.
_PREFLOOD VEGETATION. This shows that the pre-Flood world was
mostly covered by lush vegetation. The rising Flood waters and
tsunamis that were necessary to sweep over the land and bury
vast amounts of vegetation that turned into coal are best
explained by a catastrophe of worldwide proportions.
_DINOSAUR PENINSULA. The fact that over a dozen states in the
U.S. are filled with dinosaur fossils buried under heaps of mud
also attest to the Flood. In fact, geologists have found a
temporarily exposed dinosaur peninsula where the dinosaurs made
their last stand, now buried there along with lake and sea life
transported by the massive waves. The earlier Flood deposits,
the first three megasequences, do not seem to have deposited
much material over this dinosaur peninsula. Only a few hundred
yards of sediment remain along the margins and in many places no
deposition is left at all. Deposits thousands of feet thick
occur east and west of this temporarily exposed peninsula that
extends from Minnesota to New Mexico. Now buried across it are
pre-Flood wetland plants and animals including dinosaurs,
turtles, frogs, fish and many birds.
_DINOSAUR TRACKS. Thousands of dinosaur trackways up and down
this peninsula, plus similar temporarily exposed low areas on
other continents suggest that dying dinosaurs and other hardy
track makers floated, waded and walked on freshly deposited mud
trying to find safe ground.
_ZUNI. Next the massive Zuni megasequence hits. The Absaroka and
Zuni megasequences are the most severe because the continental
plates began to move more quickly from the original Pangaea-like
supercontinent configuration to where they are today.
_SEDIMENTATION. With oceanic rifting and plate subduction
increasing dramatically and the continents traveling apart
quickly, the tsunami-like waves begin washing acrosss western
North America, while virtually no sedimentation is occurring in
the east.
_JURASSIC BONEYARDS. When coming up over the dinosaur peninsula,
the Zuni catastrophically buries dinosaurs in the Morrison
Formation, a thirteen state area encompassing over 700,000
square miles. This Jurassic unit includes at least 141 massive
dinosaur boneyards where dinosaurs like Camarasaurus,
Diplodocus, Apatosaurus, Stegosaurus and Allosaurus are found.
_CRETACEOUS BONEYARDS. The Cretaceous layers, like the Hill
Creek Formation, are found on top of the Jurassic and hold
hundreds of mass boneyards, containing several different types
of dinosaurs, such as T-Rex, Triceratops, Centrosaurus and
Edmontosaurus that had been living in a different ecosystem,
also buried by the Zuni.
_DINOSAUR TISSUES. The Zuni was so massive and fast that it
engulfed entire regions with mud flow, burying giant creatures
like this T-Rex under 50 feet of muddy sediment, entombed so
quickly that preserved blood cells, blood vessels and bone cells
were found just recently. How much water does it take to pile 50
feet of mud on top of a dinosaur?
_NATIONAL MONUMENT. The Dinosaur National Monument in Utah
contains thousands of visible bones from 11 kinds of dinosaurs
that were buried in a jumbled mass in the Morrison Formation,
together with crocodiles, turtles, lizards, frogs and clams.
What type of event would it take to bury all these different
land animals with millions of clams?
_DINOSAUR HERDS. When the dinosaur peninsula floods over
completely, large herds of dinosaurs are entombed in massive
fossil graveyards in the upper Cretaceous system, found in
northern Wyoming, Montana and Alberta, Canada. The dinosaurs had
tried to escape by fleeing northward up the peninsula as waters
advanced from the south.
_MAIASAUR STAMPEDE. This explains this massive graveyard in
northern Montana, that's over 1.2 miles long and contains 30
million fossil fragments representing over 10,000 adult
Maiasaurs, that were simultaneously buried. In this entire
collection of bones not a single baby was found. Every one of
these Maiasaurs was between nine and 23 feet long. Does this
seem like the adult dinosaurs were stampeding away from the
raging Flood waters with 100% of their young falling behind and
being engulfed in a different part of the peninsula?
_CENTROSAUR GRAVEYARD. Just 170 miles northeast of this location
is one of the largest dinosaur graveyards in the world, one that
even secular scientists admit was caused by a watery
catastrophe. Here thousands of centrosaurs are buried in 14
megabone beds over an entire square mile, which is nearly 500
football fields. Looks like a massive herd of these creatures,
thousands of them, were simultaneously buried in mud by Noah's
Flood.
_MIXED GRAVEYARD. Just 45 miles west from this location is yet
another massive Flood deposit and this one even has 49 different
species of dinosaurs, buried along with turtles, crocodiles,
fish, flying reptiles, birds and small mammals. What type of
disaster could bury nearly 50 species of dinosaurs and many
other types of animals, including marine life, together in mass
graves?
_GRADED BONEBED. These mass burial sites are common in the U.S.
as well. For example, look at this dinosaur dig site in Wyoming
where a one meter thick layer of mudstone stretches for 80 acres
with over a million bones in a graded, sorted bed where big
bones are found at the bottom and little bones on top. The only
way to develop a graded bed like this is by a catastrophic
process that transports these bones and deposits them during a
single event.
_FLYING CREATURES. Large flying creatures like pterosaurs were
able to fly to escape the rising Flood waters, delaying their
demise until the later stages of the Flood. The fossil record
shows they are buried in many different layers all over the
world.
_VOLCANIC ASH. There is no doubt that widespread volcanism was
also involved in finishing off the dinosaurs, as many of these
mass graves are literally packed with volcanic ash, ash that in
many cases was mixed with water when it emplaced the dinosaurs
in their tombs. One section of the Morrison Formation, called
the Brushy Basin member spreads across five states and includes
four thousand cubic miles of volcanic materials. Without a
single volcano in the Morrison Formation, geologists believe
this material had to be carried all the way from volcanoes on
the west coast, volcanoes created by the magma rising from the
subducting ocean crusts plunging under the land. Today these
subduction zones form the ring of fire, responsible for over 90%
of our earthquakes.
_BIBLE RECORD. The Bible records that on the 150th day of the
Flood, God mad a wind to pass over the Earth. The waters started
to recede. The fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven
were stopped and the rain from heaven was restrained.
_TEJAS REGRESSION. Now enters the final megasequence, the Tejas.
Here, after the water peaked over the top of the highest remnant
of the pre-Flood world, it began to rush off the continents,
eroding and reworking some of the deposits laid down in the
previous megasequences, especially carving away at the Zuni
deposit. This final sequence appears to have been different than
the others, because there was a reversal in flow direction as
the waters began to sheet off the continents. This flow reversal
transported much of the fossils deposited earlier off the
highest uplands, spreading them towards the edges of the
continent. The evidence points to the Tejas draining the Flood
waters southward off of the U.S. towards the Gulf of Mexico with
a sheet wash pattern all at once.
_GULF OF MEXICO. This is why we find massive sand deposits in
the deep water of the Gulf of Mexico. Billions of barrels of oil
have been discovered there with much of it found within a
massive 1,100 foot thick bed of pure sand in over 7,000 feet of
water over 200 miles offshore.
_MORE COAL. In addition, plants swept off the pre-Flood lands
formed massive coal beds, such as in the Powder River basin of
Wyoming and Montana. These Tejas layers contain the largest coal
deposits in North America that currently supplies over 40% of
the coal in the U.S. Some of these stacked coal beds are up to
200 feet thick and cover areas that are 60 miles long by 60
miles wide. The sheer volume of plant material required to form
such a massive layer of coal testifies to catastrophic
circumstances.
_HUMAN REMAINS. The massive runoff that began with the Tejas may
also explain the lack of human fossils in the rock record. Any
residual human remains left buried in earlier deposits were
totally destroyed by the erosive retreating Flood waters. ...
Any residual remains were ground up and likely spread in all
directions over great distances by the Tejas, lessening the
likelihood of finding any human fossil remains. Because humans
were impacted earlier by the Flood's violence, they were
destroyed and thus not buried whole, deep in the sediments,
leaving no fossil traces. Erosion in the Tejas sequence would
have affected the strata beneath, wiping away even traces of
human remains buried in earlier layers. ...
_REGRESSION. On day 150 the new ocean surface began cooling and
sinking, allowing the Flood waters to lower as they sheeted off
the continents into the new ocean basins.
_OROGENY. Psalm 104 describes the mountains being raised at the
end of the Flood and waters draining down valleys and off the
emerging new land surfaces.
_HIGH ELEVATION MARINE FOSSILS. The seafloor rifting process and
the resulting mountain forming process explains why sea
creatures are found on mountain tops all over the world high
above current sea levels.
_FLOOD END. For the remaining 220 days of the Flood the water
recedes from the Earth and it dries out, allowing time for Earth
to be replenished with vegetation for the animals to eat, when
they eventually come off the ark.
_SEDIMENTARY ROCK. This year-long catastrophe left behind a vast
number of proofs that quite frankly make its occurrence obvious.
First, we have the staggering volume of fossil-bearing
sedimentary rocks around the world, over one mile thick on
average, billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down
by water all over the Earth, and the sediment they're found in
lies above sea level. What sort of water process could emplace
so much sediment above sea level on top of the land surface?
_THIN, FLAT STRATA. Another clue is the vast horizontal extent
of individual sediment layers with little to no erosional
channeling between successive layers. What sort of transport and
depositional process could conceivably generate such uniform
layers over such vast horizontal distances? Many of these
layered beds are separated by bedding planes on the scale of
inches to feet, a feature so common that few stop to think about
how it happened. It's as if the sediment is being deposited in
pulses in a repeating manner with each pulse producing a thin
layer commonly found around the world. The Flood tsunamis
provide a perfect explanation.
_NO BURROWS. And it happened so quickly that there was no time
between deposition of the layers for surviving critters to
burrow into the layers and turn them over.
_LATE OCEAN FLOORS. What has been discovered both from a
Creationist as well as from a secular understanding is that much
of the continental fossil record was already in place before any
of the present-day ocean crust had come into existence at a rift
zone. For example, all of the trilobite fossils had been
deposited, plus all of the older coal deposits had already been
formed before any of the present-day ocean crust had formed.
Since in Creationist understanding the presence of fossils is a
completely trustworthy indicator of the action of the Flood,
this means that much of the Flood cataclysm had already unfolded
and it generated fossil-bearing sediments on the continental
surface before any of the present-day ocean floor had appeared.
It further implies that all of today's ocean floor formed since
the onset of the Flood, during roughly the latter half of the
cataclysm.
_SUBDUCTION. It also means that all of the pre-Flood ocean
floor, plus the ocean floor formed during the earlier portion of
the Flood, must have been recycled into the Earth's interior
during the cataclysm. These considerations indicate in a
compelling way that rapid plate tectonics must have been a major
aspect of the year-long Flood catastrophe.
_ICE AGE. This six megasequence worldwide flooding process
perfectly sets the stage for the subsequent ice age. The oceans
had been tremendously heated by the rifting that had taken place
across the 45,000 mile ridge system and the creation of a
completely new seafloor of hot lava as a consequence. This
caused an abnormal amount of evaporation and thus continuous
rain that was likely worldwide.
_VOLCANISM. The volcanic activity created by the subduction
zones that created the ring of fire would have spewed volumes of
ash and aerosols high into the atmosphere, resulting in cooling,
especially in the higher latitudes. These factors combined to
produce an ice age that lasted a few hundred years, but ended as
the conditions that caused it waned.
_ARK. The ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat in the 7th
month on the 17th day of the month.
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__SAUK VOLCANISM MYSTERY
_Section 10 [VOLCANISM] of the video transcript of the previous
post said: The first megasequence (Sauk) shows a spike in
volcanic activity and massive amounts of carbon dioxide. The
video authors thought the Pangaea breakup began with the
beginning of the Great Flood, thus starting subduction and
accompanying volcanism along Pacific Ocean shores and depositing
volcanic fallout in the Sauk megasequence. But they don't seem
to have any good suggestions about the cause of the breakup.
_Mike Fischer's theory, though, which I favor so far, is that
Pangaea didn't break up until some centuries after the Great
Flood. And he has a very sensible idea of how the breakup
occurred, i.e. via a huge asteroid impact. So there would have
to be some other cause of the volcanism during the Great Flood.
The only other cause I can think of is impacts. I think only
extremely large impacts would be likely to cause volcanism. I'll
try to search to see if any volcanism is associated with
impacts. I already know that Mike has good evidence that the
Chicxulub impact in Mexico caused volcanism which formed the
Cape Verde Islands off the coast of west Africa. I think he also
found or suspects that the Seychelle Islands off the east coast
of Africa are also volcanic and that's where the biggest impact
of all occurred.
_Impacts appear to have been occurring since before the Great
Flood. I posted a fairly up-to-date list of craters at
HTML http://funday.createaforum.com/3-12/2-47/?message=453
. I got
the list of craters from Wikipedia and I got the megasequence
conversions from Figure 2 at
HTML https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j29
... _16-25.pdf . I then
added the megasequences to the list of craters.
_Here's a summary of the data, showing the numbers of known
small, medium and big craters in each megasequence. Small is
under 10 km diameter. Moderate is 10 to nearly 50 km. Big is
over 50 km diameter. More details are posted at
HTML http://funday.createaforum.com/3-12/2-47/?message=454
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--- POST-TEJAS (7 Craters: 6SM, ........ 1BIG==53km)
--- TEJAS (58 Craters: 39SM, 16MOD, 3BIG==52, 85, 90km)
--- ZUNI (41 Craters: 19SM, 18MOD, 4BIG==60, 65, 70, 180km)
--- ABSAROKA (27 Craters: 14SM, 11MOD, 2BIG==80, 85km)
--- KASKASKIA (14 Craters: 7SM, 3MOD, 4BIG==50, 52, 54, 110km)
--- TIPPECANOE (14 Craters: 9SM, 5MOD)
--- SAUK (18 Craters: 11SM, 6MOD, 1BIG==90km)
--- PRE-SAUK (19 Craters: 7SM, 8MOD, 4BIG==60, 70, 130, 160km)
_Before the Sauk was deposited there were 4 big impacts and 8
moderate, all of which could possibly have caused volcanism. The
biggest occurred in the Pangaea regions of Africa, N.America,
Australia & again N.America. The two big ones in Africa and
N.America were nearly as big as Chicxulub, which latter occurred
during the breakup.
__IMPACT BASINS
_Michael Oard has suggested that many basins on the continents
formed from impacts. Flood basalts may also have been caused by
impacts. But I don't know yet if any of the basins or flood
basalts occurred before the Sauk megasequence. Most or all of
the flood basalts may have formed during the Pangaea breakup,
which would be after Sauk. But basins may have formed before
Sauk. Oard had an article in 2013 called "Large cratonic basins
likely of impact origin" at
HTML https://creation.com/large-cratonic-basins
. He said, " I will
give several examples of likely impact basins from the
approximately 600 examples on the continents.6 About 200 of
these basins have diameters greater than 300 km.7" "The South
Caspian Basin, in the southern part of the Caspian Sea, is a
very deep basin filled with sedimentary rocks." "This basin has
collected probably the world’s thickest sedimentary rocks,
estimated at 26–28 km thick!53 Seismic profiling shows that the
sedimentary layers are generally horizontal with some volcanic
rocks.52" So one of the largest basins has volcanic rocks, but
he later said, "But in the case of the large cratonic basins,
volcanism seems unlikely because of the basin sizes and paucity
of volcanic rocks." Some, if not many, of these basins likely
were formed before Sauk, so they could have been sources of
volcanism found in Sauk sediments, but there is apparently not
strong evidence that impacts would have accounted for the
volcanic material found in Sauk. I need to find out exactly what
the evidence is of volcanic material in Sauk.
_Now here's more from the video transcript.
__VOLCANIC ASH ALSO KILLED DINOSAURS?
[Section 37. VOLCANIC ASH.] "There is no doubt that widespread
volcanism was also involved in finishing off the dinosaurs, as
many of these mass graves are literally packed with volcanic
ash, ash that in many cases was mixed with water when it
emplaced the dinosaurs in their tombs. One section of the
Morrison Formation, called the Brushy Basin member spreads
across five states and includes four thousand cubic miles of
volcanic materials. Without a single volcano in the Morrison
Formation, geologists believe this material had to be carried
all the way from volcanoes on the west coast, volcanoes created
by the magma rising from the subducting ocean crusts plunging
under the land. Today these subduction zones form the ring of
fire, responsible for over 90% of our earthquakes."
__PANGAEA BREAKUP DURING GREAT FLOOD?
_The dinosaurs are found mostly in the Absaroka and Zuni
megasequences, i.e. the 4th and 5th. Since the Absaroka is not
found in the Gulf of Mexico or in the Atlantic or Indian Ocean
basins, the Pangaea breakup must have begun after the Absaroka.
The Zuni and Tejas are found in those ocean basins, so the
breakup must have occurred between the Absaroka and Zuni. But
that makes it look like there was possibly only one Great Flood.
But that would mean the Golden Age would have to be moved to
before the Great Flood: 1. Dark Age, then 2. Golden Age &
Advanced Civilization, then 3. Great Flood & Pangaea Breakup,
then 4. Ice Age & Megalithic Civilization, then 5. Younger Dryas
Impacts & Meltwater Flooding, then 6. Rebuilding Civilization.
I'll try to get Mike Fischer's comments.
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__SAUK VOLCANISM MYSTERY POSSIBLE SOLUTION
_I'm still looking for ways to determine if there was one Great
Flood or two. In my previous post I discussed the SAUK VOLCANISM
MYSTERY, by which I meant I don't know where the volcanism came
from that deposited material in the Sauk. I said "the video
transcript of the previous post said: The first megasequence
(Sauk) shows a spike in volcanic activity and massive amounts of
carbon dioxide. The video authors thought the Pangaea breakup
began with the beginning of the Great Flood, thus starting
subduction and accompanying volcanism along Pacific Ocean shores
and depositing volcanic fallout in the Sauk megasequence." I
showed in that post that there were likely some big impacts
before the Sauk deposit, which could have caused the volcanism.
The literature I quoted indicated that impacts don't seem to
produce much volcanism, although I mentioned that the Chicxulub
impact and the much larger Shock Dynamics impact (which broke up
Pangaea) very likely did produce considerable volcanism. But
those occurred after the Sauk. Now, I just remembered that Mike
Fischer found that the East Pacific Rise apparently existed
before the Pangaea breakup event. That Rise is a ridge, similar
to the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, and was likely produced in a similar
way by a major impact on a former continent. He explains his
idea at
HTML https://www.newgeology.us/presentation44.html
. In this
image
HTML https://www.newgeology.us/Ridge.jpg
he shows the East
Pacific Rise as a pinkish line which extends from Alaska to the
south Pacific and curves west to the Indian Ocean. The image
also shows a few lines of seamounts in the Pacific. In the next
image at
HTML https://www.newgeology.us/Megatrends.jpg
he has arrows
to indicate that most of Antarctica left behind the trail of
seamounts when it was pushed across the Pacific to near its
present location. That means the East Pacific Rise could have
been producing volcanoes before the Great Flood, which the Sauk
megasequence shows traces of. Mike seems to think that the
Pacific Rise was formed maybe millions of years ago, but
creationists have found that the granite in the continents
likely formed within the last 8,000 years, although they
probably haven't checked Antarctica. The seamounts in the
Pacific may have produced volcanism, but the Pacific Rise likely
did too. Charles Chandler found that volcanoes are likely
produced electrically, via telluric currents, which he explains
at
HTML http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=10527
.
__[CREATIONISTS SAY ONE GREAT FLOOD]
__Evidence for a Late Cainozoic Flood/post-Flood Boundary
HTML https://dl0.creation.com/articles/p077/c07723/v10n1_cainozoic.pdf
_For modeling purposes, where necessary in the following
discussions, the Flood is dated at about 4,500 years ago. The
basis for this is as follows:
(1) It is reasonable, if not appropriate, to take the
genealogies of Genesis 5–11 as accurate and complete;
(2) The genealogies of Genesis place 1,656 years between
Creation and the Flood; and
(3) a straightforward reading of genealogies in Scripture
indicates the Creation of the world occurred around 6,000 years
ago. This places the Flood at about 4,344 years ago; rounding to
4,500 years for simplicity.
_A few creationists have suggested that the Flood occurred from
7,000 to over 12,000 years ago. This places the date of Creation
even further back in time. I do not accept these suggestions
because they (1) significantly harm the biblical chronology by
introducing thousands of years into the genealogies of Genesis,
(2) are based on questionable dating methods or presumed
geophysical process rates, and/or (3) rely on the less accurate
Septuagint.
__[BIBLE IDEAS]
__[COMMENT: I don't consider the preflood patriarchs to have
high probability so far. I'm not a creationist, but I think the
older Septuagint Old Testament is likely more accurate than the
Masoretic Old Testament. I've previously stated that the
Septuagint may date the Great Flood more accurately, while the
Masoretic may date a different Flood, that of the Pangaea
breakup event. In a recent post I quoted evidence that Noah's
ark was real, an example of preflood advanced civilization, and
has been preserved on a highland in Turkey. Since the evidence
for the ark looks very good, it's more plausible now that the
Biblical account of the Great Flood may be fairly accurate too.
Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. He probably got the
account from the Egyptian records and he was probably an
Egyptian. Charles Chandler found that his name was probably
Ramose and he shortened it because Ra was a false god that Moses
repudiated.]
__[WERE DINOSAUR EGGS LAID & HATCHED DURING THE FLOOD?]
(This is more from the above article. I ask this because it
looks like the eggs were possibly laid on previous Flood
sediments.)
_In view of the Scriptural account, subaerial evidence should
not be accepted as conclusive evidence for post-Flood activity.
Cited evidences of post-Flood subaerial activity include upright
trees (assumed to be in the growth position), dinosaur nests,
[supposed] desert sands, unsorted volcanic ash and tuff, etc.
One published claim35 that an upright tree grew in place was not
supported by excavation of tree roots. Evidence presented did
not eliminate the possibility that the tree was deposited
upright by water as has been observed at Mt St Helens,36 and
elsewhere over a century ago.37 Dinosaur nests are usually
considered evidence for continued subaerial activity. However,
there is important evidence that dinosaur nests did not remain
on dry land long before they were buried catastrophically. The
different nests in Montana have been described as eggs buried in
mud inside a mudnest, and a ‘salad’ of baby dinosaur bones
jumbled in three dimensions in green mudstone.38 One nest had
been made ‘in the floodplain of a stream’ and Egg Mountain is
described as ‘a peninsula or island in a lake’.39 Dinosaur eggs
were found standing vertically in an unstable orientation, that
is, on the small or pointed end.40 This orientation is
characteristic of eggs submerged in muddy or mineral laden
water, not a nest that remained on dry land.41 Dinosaur nests
could date from the first 150 days of the Flood while waters
were still rising.42
__[COMMENT: The last sentence implies that dinosaur eggs could
have been laid some months before Flood waters reached their
nests, presumably on preFlood land. It may have been enough time
for some of the eggs to hatch. So I figured I should try to
determine about how long dinosaur eggs likely needed to incubate
before hatching. So here are some excerpts.]
__Preserved dinosaur egg reveals kinship to birds
HTML https://earthsky.org/earth/preserved-dinosaur-egg-bird-oviraptorosaurs
_The few brooding oviraptorosaur fossils that have been
discovered so far are all from smaller species at around 220
pounds (100 kilograms) or less, no bigger than the size of an
ostrich. The species to which Baby Yingliang belonged would also
have been about this size: the 6 1/2 inch (17 centimeter) egg
weighed 1 pound (1/2 kilogram) in life and was from an egg
cluster just over 1 1/2 feet (1/2 meter) across. Giant
oviraptorosaurs, which are quite rare, were considerably larger,
as were their eggs and nests. In 2017, I was part of a team that
studied another embryonic skeleton, known as Baby Louie. The
skeleton was found with a group of eggs belonging to a new
species of giant oviraptorosaur, which we named Beibeilong. As
the largest known dinosaur eggs, they were over 17.7 inches (45
centimeters) long and weighed more than 11 pounds (five
kilograms) each.
__A Theropod Dinosaur Embryo and the Affinities of the Flaming
Cliffs Dinosaur Eggs
HTML https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.266.5186.779
__Abstract. An embryonic skeleton of a nonavian theropod
dinosaur was found preserved in an egg from Upper Cretaceous
rocks in the Gobi Desert of Mongolia. Cranial features identify
the embryo as a member of Oviraptoridae. Two embryo-sized skulls
of dromaeosaurids, similar to that of Velociraptor, were also
recovered in the nest. The eggshell microstructure is similar to
that of ratite birds and is of a type common in the Djadokhta
Formation at the Flaming Cliffs (Bayn Dzak). Discovery of a nest
of such eggs at the Flaming Cliffs in 1923, beneath the
Oviraptor philoceratops holotype, suggests that this dinosaur
may have been a brooding adult.
[MORE COMMENT: I find online that "Hatching time varies from
36–45 days for ostrich eggs, 46–56 days for emu eggs, and 36–44
days for rhea eggs." Ostrich eggs are said to be the biggest
bird egg at 6 in. or 15 cm. long. That's about the same size as
the above dinosaur eggs. So dinosaur eggs probably required
about the same hatching time of 50 days or so. The largest
dinosaur eggs were said to be about 3 times longer, so they may
have required longer incubation time, but maybe that's why those
hatchlings are not found.]
__DINOSAUR PENINSULA DROWNED EARLY
_They previously described Dinosaur Peninsula as highlands
stretching from Minnesota to New Mexico. In the maps at
HTML https://ibb.co/ZcmCxPH
you can see on the left that most of the
megasequences covered nearly all of the Dinosaur Peninsula. The
video transcript above gave the impression that the peninsula
was not covered until the Absaroka. So, either the maps are
wrong, or the video is wrong, or the first 4 megasequences were
deposited nonviolently, so dinosaurs were able to wade, or swim,
or float with debris, while the water was high, and maybe it
wasn't too high for very long. It seems unlikely that many
dinosaurs could survive long in deep water or that much sediment
could be deposited with a gradual rise of water. The maps show
that small areas of New Mexico, Wyoming, South Dakota and
Minnesota were above water the longest, so maybe dinosaurs
congregated in those places during high water. The white areas
on the maps tend to show where sediments weren't deposited or
were later washed away as the Flood receded. This map shows more
clearly where all sediments were washed away. They're called
shields and they're colored brown on this map:
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__GREAT FLOOD MUD, SAND & FOSSILS
...
__COMMENTS. In my recent post about a TRANSCRIPT OF A NOAH'S
FLOOD VIDEO at
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it said: "The Zuni [megasequence of sedimentary strata] was so
massive and fast that it engulfed entire regions with mud flow,
burying giant creatures like this T-Rex under 50 feet of muddy
sediment, entombed so quickly that preserved blood cells, blood
vessels and bone cells were found just recently. How much water
does it take to pile 50 feet of mud on top of a dinosaur?"
_I guess the water would be at least twice as deep as the mud.
Remember the description in that transcript of thousands of
other dinosaurs and other animals in a large area of the West
similarly buried under mud during the Zuni stage of the Flood?
Now we see how the Flood was able to deposit thick layers of mud
over them. When the Flood currents were not too fast and not too
slow, the mud flocculated by electrostatic attraction and was
deposited I guess somewhat like a huge mud avalanche, similar to
a snow avalanche. Avalanches of snow can bury people and animals
and the weight presses on them so tightly that they can't move
in any direction. That's likely how the Flood mud avalanches
behaved as well, immobilizing and suffocating or drowning them.
Ian Taylor had a book about the Flood in 1984 called In the
Minds of Men, in which he described a large school of fossilized
mudsharks in Ohio that were still in swimming positions and the
weight of the mud over them smashed them down to only a quarter
inch thick. In my previous post I mentioned Gentry's finding
that some coalified wood with radiohalos was similarly smashed,
making some of the radiohalos in the wood initially elliptical
instead of spherical.
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__DID MID CONTINENT RIFT FORM BEFORE THE GREAT FLOOD?
...
__IS THE MCR PRE-FLOOD?
__REF. 2. FROM: Can ‘megasequences’ help define biblical
geologic history?
HTML https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j29_2/j29_2_16-25.pdf
__[MEGASEQUENCES]
_Clarey reported on the results of his analyses of
transcontinental Sloss stratigraphic sequences, which he also
defines as ‘megasequences’:
_“Using data from over 500 stratigraphic columns, I examined
megasequences across North America to document the sedimentary
evidence for the Flood’s catastrophe. At each site, the
megasequence boundaries were identified, along with the
thicknesses and extent of individual rock types.”51
__[MIDCONTINENT RIFT FIRST MEGASEQUENCE?]
_A new seventh megasequence was identified by Clarey at the
Midcontinent Rift of North America:
_“Preliminary results demonstrate the presence of a seventh
megasequence below the six common fossil-bearing megasequences.
It lies just below the Sauk Megasequence in what secularists
[i.e. naturalists] call the late Precambrian or Proterozoic Era.
However, this newly delineated pre-Sauk sequence may be
instrumental in documenting the onset of the Flood.
_“In part, the pre-Sauk megasequence was created by a tremendous
outpouring of basaltic lava that split open central North
America and caused the Midcontinent Rift.
_It should be noted that Reed previously published an extensive
review of the Midcontinent Rift from a young earth creationist
perspective and proposed rift initiation at the onset of the
Genesis Flood. However, because it occurred in the interior of
North America, far from any transgressing ocean, there would
have been a period of tectonism/volcanism and rainfall-induced
sedimentation (from local flash floods infilling basins) prior
to the initial Flood marine transgression, when broader-scale
marine transgression as floodwater moved into this area....
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