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DEPARTURE (for when Saturn system broke up): (this post)
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MOUNTAIN (for time of Shock Dynamics):
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MOSES (for evidence of Moses myth):
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TURQUOISE (for Ev's new book on Turquoise Sun):
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BC --- 1 (9500-2500 BC, for when Saturn system broke up):
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DEPARTURE; PYRAMID TEXTS
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ENHEDUANNA (Saturn departure) + ANCIENT MEANINGS/PUNS
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PREDYNASTIC (Saturn departure etc)
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SATURN MYTH SEQUENCE
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MARS, MEDUSA, ROAD TO SATURN
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OROGENY
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DEPARTURE
(Seeking clues re when the Saturn system broke up etc)
DEPARTURE OF GOD/S
SATURN) The Unworkable Polar Saturn [Journals] [Aeon]
... few years to undo the stability of the the suspension, with
dire effects upon the stability of Earth's orbital distance from
the Sun. To suggest that such inner and outer planets were not
present is to advance a speculation piled upon so many other
hypotheses as to be just one more grotesque rejection of
scientific reasoning. In any case, the ____departure of Saturn
from the suspension model to the present Saturnian orbit,
leaving Earth behind in biospherically safe solar orbital
stability, would seem for all the models to require an
extraordinary combination of unknown forces. If this does not
again require the folly of a hypothesis piled upon a preceding
chain, it requires the uninterrupted supervision of that
incomprehensibly and
SATURN) The Demands of the Saturnian Configuration Theory
[Journals] [SIS Review]
... and lakes to slosh over the land? How would they have known
that a shifting of Earth's axis could freeze it into solid ice?
Had I any faith in the accuracy of counting the annual layers of
ice retrieved in cores drilled out of Greenland's ice fields, I
would even have been able to date the event for you.
_Saturn's ____Departure. My final point concerns Saturn's
____departure. I need not tell you that Saturn is no longer in
Earth's proximity. The theory then demands that somewhere in the
record, Saturn's removal from Earth's proximity should be
encountered. So we find as, for example, with the tale of
Quetzalcoatl [204], whose paladins' died from the cold through
the snow that fell upon them just before the god took off on his
serpent raft to be seen no more [205]. I mention this one myth
because, as one can see, it ties in nicely with Saturn's removal
at the very time when Earth, teetering off balance, was deluged
with the ice that ushered in the so-called Ice Age. There is
much more that I can add to the topic of Saturn's removal from
Earth's vicinity but it is time to call it quits. Even so,
having said so much about the Egyptian Ra at the beginning of
this treatise, it is perhaps fitting to end with him. Thus, in
an Egyptian myth, Ra is made to say: Weary indeed are my limbs
and they fail me. I shall go forth ? Henceforth my dwelling
place must be in the heavens. No longer will I reign upon the
earth. '[206] and: I have determined to cause myself to be
uplifted into the sky, to join the blessed gods and to renounce
rule of the world. ' [207]. Then Ra raised himself from the back
of the goddess Nut into the sky [208]. If Ra was truly the Sun,
where was it prior to its ascent into the sky? If, as
mythologists tell us, Nut was the goddess of the sky, what would
it mean that the Sun rose from the back of the sky (i.e. Nut)
into the sky? What does it mean that, before ascending into the
sky, the Sun had reigned upon Earth? What does it mean that the
Sun once ruled the world? Do we not, in fact, find it stated in
an Orphic fragment that Saturn dwelt openly on earth among men'
[209]? So, also, Dionysus of Halicarnassus who declared that
Kronos ruled on this very earth' [210]. Besides, as it was
written, when Ra removed himself into the sky, darkness came on'
and Ra was borne through darkness' [211]. Does this make sense
if Ra was the Sun? Do we see darkness coming on when the Sun
rises into the sky? The answer to this mystery is that the sun
of night, which had ruled Earth due to its proximity, had now
removed itself into the blackness of space. True night, as we
now know it, finally descended upon the world and the stars,
which could not have been seen as long as the Saturnian sun of
night was shining down on Earth, appeared in all their
brilliance for the first time. Do we find this stated in the
mytho-historical record? Can this last demand be met? As it is
written:'[When Ra left Earth he] went on his way through the
realms which are above, and these he divided and set in order.
He spake creating words, and called into existence the field of
Aalu, and there he caused to assemble a multitude of beings
which are beheld in heaven, even the stars? ' [212]. _Notes and
References
1. I. Velikovsky, Worlds in Collision, New York, 1950.
2. G. de Santillana & H. von Dechend, Hamlet's Mill: An Essay on
Myth and the Frame of Time
... Budge, The Gods of the Egyptians, Vol. II, N. Y., 1904/1969,
p. 339.
40. Ibid., pp. 339-340.
41. Ibid., pp. 170-171.
42. Ibid., p. 176.
43. E.A.W . Budge, An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, Vol. I,
N. Y., 1920/1978, p. cxxv; S. A. B. Mercer, The Pyramid Texts,
Vol. II, N. Y., 1952, p. 156.
44. Note that the ring, or rings, around Ra to which
The Demands Of The Saturnian Configuration Theory
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SATURN) Conclusion [Books]
... volume. Saturn's death or fall, we will discover,
constituted the prototypal catastrophe, recounted by the
ancients in numerous forms and elaborations. The collapse of the
celestial kingdom; the world-destroying deluge; the battle with
the serpent-dragon of the deep; the birth of Jupiter; the
Child-Hero; the resurrection and transformation of Saturn; and
Saturn's eventual ____departure to the distant realm- these are
key elements in a story of incalculable impact on ancient
imagination. But to decipher the myths of the great catastrophe
one must have clearly in mind the nature of the celestial order
brought to an end with Saturn's fall. For those willing to
pursue the question in an objective spirit there is the promise
... if early races contrived their fantastic symbolism in
conscious disdain for later efforts to understand. "Anyone who
has ever entered the labyrinth of an archaic culture's mythical
compendia (the ____Pyramid Texts, the Vedas, the Theogony) can
testify to a desperate suspicion that there is no thread of
objective reality,"
SATURN) The Demands of the Saturnian Configuration Theory
[Journals] [Aeon]
... slosh over the land? How would they have known that a
shifting of earth's axis could freeze it into solid ice?
Actually, had I any faith in the accuracy of counting the annual
layers of ice retrieved in cores drilled out of Greenland's ice
fields, I would even be able to date the event for you. 10.
SATURN'S DEPARTURE The final point I wish to touch upon concerns
Saturn's ____departure. I do not need to tell that Saturn is no
longer in Earth's proximity. The theory then demands that
somewhere in the record Saturn's removal from Earth's proximity
should be encountered. And so we find as, for example, with the
tale of Quetzelcoatl, [196]
SATURN) Thoth Vol IV, No. 2: Jan 31, 2000 [Journals] [Thoth]
... lakes to slosh over the land? How would they have known that
a shifting of earth's axis could freeze it into solid ice?
Actually, had I any faith in the accuracy of counting the annual
layers of ice retrieved in cores drilled out of Greenland's ice
fields, I would even be able to date the event for you. SATURN'S
____DEPARTURE . . . I do not need to tell that Saturn is no
longer in Earth's proximity. The theory then demands that
somewhere in the record Saturn's removal from Earth's proximity
should be encountered. And so we find as, for example, with the
tale of Quetzelcoatl, whose paladins' died from the cold through
the snow that fell
SATURN) The Age of Purple Darkness [Journals] [Aeon]
... 4 times the lunar tidal one- mTe = (Earth mass). (Moon mass)
-1. (Earth radius)3 . (Earth-Moon distance) -3 = 5.7 .10-8.
Having in this way reached an order of magnitude of polar tidal
pull, it becomes evident that its removal due to Saturn's
eventual ____departure from Earth's vicinity would have resulted
in change that, to some extent, can be read from the
dispositions of rocks and past levels of the sea. Ideally, sea
levels would have changed in amounts that differed from latitude
to latitude, such that the phenomenon would be identifiable as
such at present. Adjustment of the migration and relative
JUPITER) The Lesser Light [Journals] [Catastrophism & Ancient
History]
_From: Catastrophism and Ancient History III:2 (July 1981) Home
| Issue Contents INTERACTION The Lesser Light James E.
Strickling
_And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule
the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. - Genesis 1:16
"Regardless of their preferred classification of [the First
Chapter of] Genesis, whether it be history or poetry, believers
and skeptics alike have always been in accord in their
interpretation of the terms in the above passage of Scripture.
What could be more obvious than the greater light' of the sun to
rule the day' and the lesser light' of the moon to rule the
night' even though the sun and the moon are not explicitly
mentioned. Within our experience, this seems to be the only
possible interpretation. [However] a completely literal
interpretation of this verse night indicate a genuine source of
light, rather than a reflective body such as the moon - a soft
light that might indeed rule the night. ' . . ." So stated my
original publication1 on this subject in March, 1973. The
essence of this suggestion has several times since arisen
elsewhere. I say "essence" because of different identities
proposed for the Lesser Light. But whatever the identity,
evidence indeed favors something other than the moon.
_Heavenly Inspiration. A son rises against his father. In a
violent struggle involving physical mutilation the father is
overthrown and his dominance usurped by the son. He suffers
further humiliation as he is banished from his former realm and
relegated to a life of insignificance. The son in his new-found
preeminence is unaware that he too is one day destined to follow
his father's path to the nether world. Another common theme in
myth and legend from all parts of the world finds its source in
the heavens- from a bygone age when Saturn and Jupiter by their
proximity crowded our sky. We read in the ancient chronicles
that "Vanquished by the might of Zeus [Jupiter], Cronus [Saturn]
was driven from the sky and cast to the very depths of the
universe and there enchained in the region which stretches
beneath the earth and the fruitless sea. . ." 2 In the words of
Hesiod (8th Century B.C.) : ". . . [Zeus] was reigning in
heaven, himself holding the lightning and glowing thunderbolt,
when he had overcome by might his father Cronus. . . ."
Jupiter's fate was later realized as the once brilliant
planetary disc shrank to a pin point of light, his glory removed
from the sky of earth forever. The Saturn-Jupiter succession and
Jupiter's ultimate ____departure are colorfully preserved by the
Tupinamba Indians of Brazil. "The first [great hero] was Nonan
[Saturn] who was the creator of mankind, and then destroyed the
world with flood and fire; after whom came Maire-Monan [Jupiter]
who is often confused with his predecessor. He had the power of
changing men and animals [a cometary retinue] into other forms
in order to punish them for their sins. . . . [H]e aroused the
anger of men by his metamorphoses, so that they decided to kill
him. For that end they arranged a festival during which
Maire-Monan had to jump over three blazing bonfires. "He jumped
the first but fainted above the second and was burned up. His
bursting produced thunder, while the flames became lightning.
Then he was carried up to heaven, where he became a star."3 A
celestial scenario thus finds obscure expression in our history.
Velikovsky contended that the planet Venus was cast from Jupiter
and cited as one point of evidence the mythological account of
the birth of the goddess Athene from the head of Zeus. If, as in
the case of Zeus and Athene, the Saturn-Jupiter relationship
means that the two planetary bodies were once one (although
possibly for other reasons as well), there would exist the
potential for an encounter between the two at a later time - an
encounter seen to be established in legend. An unstable
primordial body is first rent asunder, the parts envisioned as
father and son later becoming embroiled in conflict - and the
former is hurled to the outer reaches of the solar system. We
thus envisage a magnificent luminous sphere - subordinate only
to the sun - having once been a familiar presence in the earth's
sky. This presence, long since forgotten, has progeny now almost
insignificant to the eye.
_Primordial Body? My initial impression of the Lesser Light as
published found it in a solar system that in the distant past
was a binary system4 (Sun/Lesser Light), earth's primary being
the Lesser Light, initially stationed in the earth's night sky
(earth possibly at a Lagrangian point) but subsequently breaking
apart to form the other bodies in the solar system (although not
all of them at once). Our moon would thus be a captured
satellite. Such a configuration would explain the lack of a
reference to months in the First Chapter of Genesis even though
days, seasons, and years are mentioned. Months are, of course,
correlated with the moon's orbital period. Or a Familiar Planet?
The idea of a second and smaller light-emitting body in our
solar system in times past has more recently been suggested by
Greenberg and Sizemore. "Now, as it happens, the planet Saturn
was designated as Shamash or sun' by the Assyro-Babylonian
astrologers; and as far back as 1910 M. Jastrow (Revue
d'Assyriologie, Vol. 70, p. 171) proposed "the idea that Saturn
was a steady' or permanent' mock-sun - performing the same
function of furnishing light at night that Sama's [Shamash - the
Sun] performed during the day." Furthermore, there is undeniable
evidence that the concept of a night sun' as well as a day-sun'
existed in ancient Babylonian thought. The latter was viewed as
the greater and the former lesser of the two chief lights of
heaven, one to serve during the day and the other at night. '" 5
A primordial Saturnian predecessor could perhaps itself have
been known to the ancients as the "planet" Saturn6 (by whatever
name) - from whom sprang Jupiter. Nevertheless, whether Saturn
or another progenitor, was this body the Lesser Light of
Genesis? We might reasonably infer that it was if we can find
some assurance that it and the moon did not coexist in earth's
sky.
_A Moonless Night. In May 1973 Velikovsky published a short
article citing several alleged references (including biblical)
to an ancient era in man's memory when there was no moon. In
summary, he states "The traditions of diverse people offer
corroborative testimony to the effect that in a very early age,
but still in the memory of mankind, no moon accompanied the
earth. Since human beings already peopled the earth, it is
improbable that the moon sprang from it; there must have existed
a solid lithosphere, not a liquid earth. Thus it is more
probable that the moon was captured by the earth.7 The truth of
this argument might only imply that the term as used in Genesis
describes more recent conditions. However, in conjunction with
the lack of a reference to months, we see a strong suggestion
that the Lesser Light was not the moon. The first biblical
reference to months is in relation to the chronology of the
Deluge. This implies that the moon was no stranger to man at
that time, and there appears to be no earlier biblical allusion
to its introduction. We must look elsewhere for a more
definitive contrast between the Lesser Light and the moon.
_A Diminished Light The connection we seek resides in various
traditions suggesting that the nature of the moon was not always
the same as we know it. From the Bomitaba in Africa: "Once upon
a time there were two suns, the one we have and the moon. It was
very tiresome for mankind, which being constantly in heat and
light could not rest comfortably. One day one of the suns
suggested to the other that they should bathe, and pretended to
jump into a river; the other threw itself in and was quenched.
Since that time there is only one sun, and though the moon
lights men it no longer warms them."8 A somewhat similar myth
from tribes in Australia ". . . states that in the beginning the
Sun never set, but as human beings were weary of perpetual day
(that is, of not being able to sleep) the creating deity at last
ordered the Sun to set."9 The Luyia of Kenya say that "God
created the Moon first and then the Sun. In the beginning the
Moon was bigger and brighter, and the envious Sun attacked his
elder brother. They wrestled. . . and the Moon was thrown in the
mud and dirt splashed over him so that he was not so bright. God
intervened . . . [and said] that the Sun would be brighter
henceforth and shine during the day. . . . The moon could only
shine at night."10 And from the Hebrews: "Thou didst create the
heaven and the earth, the heaven exceeding the earth . . . and
now Thou hast created the sun and the moon, and it is becoming
that one of them should be greater than the other' [said the
moon]. Then spake God to the moon: I know well, thou wouldst
have me make thee greater than the sun. As a punishment I decree
that thou mayest keep but one-sixtieth of thy light." The moon
made supplication: "Shall I be punished so severely for having
spoken a single word?" God relented: "In the future world I will
restore thy light, so that thy light may again be as the light
of the sun." '11 Finally, the Navajos have a myth that says that
since time was assigned there have been twelve sons (one each
month of the year), whereas before there was only one moon12 -
suggestive of an object once fixed in the night sky of earth.
_Conclusion. Clearly our solar system is not what it once was -
turbulent and changing and of an unfamiliar nature. It is not
difficult to visualize in these various traditions veiled
remembrances of the celestial changes that have been suggested:
the passing of a large heavenly source of light and the
introduction of a smaller and dimmer one. The moon did indeed
follow a more splendid predecessor - the Lesser Light. James E.
Strickling
_References
1. "The Birth of the Gods." Bible-Science Newsletter, Vol. XI,
No. 3(1973), Caldwell, Idaho.
2. Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology, 2nd Ed. London: Hamlyn,
1968.
3. ibid.
4. This thought resulted from the claim by Velikovsky (personal
correspondence, 1970) that the Deluge was one consequence of a
near-collision between Jupiter and Saturn (later stated
publicly).
5. L. M. Greenberg and W. B. Sizemore, "Saturn and Genesis."
Kronos, Vol. I, No. 3 (1975).
6. Saturn's identifying rings appear to have been acquired in
historical times, to which we find allusions in various
mythologies. The ancient chroniclers tell us that some time
after the overthrow of his father Uranus, Cronus surrounded his
own house with a wall. Also, the Congo Pygmies say that
following a clash that calls to mind that of Uranus and Cronus,
"God was tired and made a fence . . . around his village."
(Geoffrey Parrinder, African Mythology. London: Hamlyn, 1967.)
7. I. Velikovsky, "Earth Without a Moon." Pensee, Winter 1973.
8. Larousse, op. cit.
9. Larousse, op. cit.
10. Parrinder, op. cit.
11. Louis Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews. Philadelphia: Jewish
Publication Society of America, 1913.
12. Cottie Burland, North American Mythology. London: Hamlyn,
1968.
FATHER) The Great Father [Books]
_II The Great Father Anyone attempting to trace the Saturn
legend must reckon with the primordial god-figure whom ancient
races celebrate as "the great father," and who is said to have
first organized the heavens and founded the antediluvian kingdom
of peace and plenty, the "Golden Age." While few of us today
could locate Saturn in the starry sphere, the earliest astral
religions insist that the planet-god was once the all-powerful
ruler of heaven. But paradoxically, they also declare that he
resided on earth as a great king. He was the father both of gods
and men. This dual character of the great father has been the
subject of a centuries-long, but
..." the "father of beginnings," the "Supreme Lord," the
singular god "except whom at the beginning none other existed."
(12) Surveying Egyptian religion one cannot fail to notice the
priests' obsession with the past - and their vivid portrait of
the great god in his "first appearance." Those who look for an
unseen creator in early Egyptian religion will be disappointed.
He is a visible and concrete power, the "lord of terror," or
"the great of terror." (13) The memory of this solitary light
god and creator was as old as the most ancient Egyptian ritual.
His appearance - and eventual ____departure - shaped every
aspect of the Egyptian world view. So also in Mesopotamia, about
which Stephen Langdon raises the question of archaic monotheism.
After prolonged study of Semitic and Sumerian sources, Langdon
concludes that veneration of spirits and demons had nothing to
do with the origins of Mesopotamian religion. Rather, "both in
Sumerian and Semitic religions
MONARCH) Thoth Vol IV, No 4: Feb 29, 2000 [Journals] [Thoth]
_The celestial serpent-dragon takes the form of a great storm or
whirlwind, breathes fire and smoke, battles against the gods,
and ushers in a period of universal darkness. But these are
only a few of the pervasive themes. When, for example, did this
chaos monster appear in the sky? It appeared specifically
during the break between world ages--following the death or
____departure of the Universal Monarch, when the Golden Age
collapsed--and prior to the renewal of the world. Appearance of
the Babylonian Tiamat is synonymous with the flight of the
original sovereign An. The Uraeus serpent rages in the sky as a
symbol of Re's loss of power. The dethroning of Kronos, founder
of the Golden Age, immediately precedes the attack of Typhon.
HEAVEN) The Celestial Tower [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
From: SIS Chronology and Catastrophism Workshop 2003 No 1 (March
2003) Home | Issue Contents Article The Celestial Tower Emmet J
Sweeney
_In every corner of the globe, from Lapland to southern Africa,
and from Mexico to China, there is a traditon of how a deluge
caused by erratic movements of the heavenly bodies brought to an
end a paradisal age of innocence, and how mankind (or in some
cases a race of giants or titans) attempted to reopen
communciation with heaven by erecting a tower that reached to
the sky. Westerners are perhaps most familiar with the biblical
version of the story, the Tower of Babel. In this account, it is
the ambition
... so that they spoke divers tongues. ' [2 ] From Africa there
is an abundance of similar traditions, all of them of great
antiquity, which are discussed at some length by a little-known
writer named Brendan Stannard in his encyclopedic The Origins of
Israel and Mankind. Stannard notes that, In many versions of the
separation myth, the ____departure of Heaven brought to an
abrupt end a previously paradisal age, during which man and the
gods were in close communication. Sickness, death and the
necessity of labour now entered man's domain. Man found himself
abandoned and destitute of the necessities of life - fire,
animals, food, etc., and in some myths mankind attempted
GODS) The Saturn Thesis [Journals] [Aeon]
... Now, to a considerable extent the sense of rupture,
separation, fear and guilt leads the way, and a great deal of
projection is going on. But there is great poignancy in the
stories as well, and a hope above all hopes of renewing the
sense of connectedness with the gods, a linkage that was broken
with the ____departure of the gods and the catastrophic collapse
of the world in which the myths originated. One of the universal
features of the great mythical traditions is the underlying idea
that, once, the gods were present, that heaven was once close to
the earth, that the gods dwelt with man, that man communicated
directly with the gods, that in the "First Time" described by
the myths the gods arose as great teachers, as examples or
models for human behavior. It is only after an overwhelming
catastrophe that we see the gods wandering off, like the Aztec
Quetzalcoatl, or rising into the sky in a pillar of smoke like
the Greek
GODS) Ladder to Heaven [Journals] [Aeon]
... There was no sun and no stars; all these were living among
the people. Sun and Moon lived like human beings...When the
insect cut down the tree and it fell, Sun and Moon left and
moved up to the sky." [54] So tragic and lamentable were the
spectacular events remembered as the "____departure of the gods"
that ancient peoples everywhere sought to recreate or
re-experience the Eden-like conditions that prevailed during the
Golden Age. Indeed, countless rites were conducted with the
express purpose of commemorating and reenacting the glorious
time of the beginnings. Recall again the conclusion of Mircea
Eliade, quoted earlier: "The symbolism of the Center of the
POWERS) Thoth Vol II, No. 9: May 31, 1998 [Journals] [Thoth]
... a single taproot. Just consider, for example, the collective
memory repeated in myths the world over - of a former "age of
the gods". It began with a period frequently termed the "Golden
Age", but was punctuated by a collapse of the original order,
sweeping catastrophe, wars of the gods and eventually a
____departure of these visible powers. Yes, there are a hundred
variations on the theme, and countless contradictions in the
localized versions, but at root we have the idea that the great
gods were overwhelmed in a deadly catastrophe, wandered off, or
flew away to become distant stars. We've never really reckoned
with this collective memory - of
POWERS) The Saturn Thesis: Questions and Answers [Journals]
[Aeon]
... . Just consider, for example, the overarching idea repeated
in myths the world over- the collective memory of a former "age
of the gods." It began with a period frequently termed the
"Golden Age," but was punctuated by a collapse of the original
order, sweeping catastrophe, wars of the gods and eventually a
____departure of these visible powers. Yes, there are a hundred
variations on the theme, and countless contradictions in the
localized versions, but at root we have the idea that the great
gods were overwhelmed in a deadly catastrophe, wandered off, or
flew away to become distant stars. We've never really reckoned
with this collective memory- that
... day and night, a cycle blatantly defying any and all
celestial motions observed today. Here are the movements of the
ship of Ra I found stated repeatedly in the Egyptian Pyramid
Texts, Coffin Texts and Book of the Dead. The revolving ship
descends to the left, or sails "downstream" in its daily phase
of "growing bright
SUN & PLANETS) Chapter 16-19 (Hamlet's Mill)
... "the Milky Way." 256 It takes some nerve to say of the
Galaxy that it meanders — actually the Greek text, has it that
it moves like a helix (helissetai). But apart from this
incongruent image of the "helixing" Milky Way, the myth of
Phaethon was meant by the Pythagoreans to tell of the
____departure of the Sun and planets from their former path, and
the enthroning of Eridanus, which together with Auriga was to
take over the function of the Milky Way: that is why they were
"catasterized" together. Admittedly, one faces a frightening
confusion between the rivers in heaven and those on earth, and
the names which were
A GOD) From Myth to Physical Model [Articles]
... . The gods are no longer present. The age of gods, in all
variations on the theme, passes into a more mundane, more
confused age, a less interesting, less real, less dramatic, less
heroic time, which can only take sustenance from reference
backwards. The gods and heroes departed, and in numerous
accounts the ____departure of a god or hero is accompanied by
great upheaval. If we can oversimplify the many forms in which
the ____departure of one or another god occurs, the most common
idea is transfiguration into a distant star-in the more
meticulously elaborated astronomies, a specific planet.
Countless other forms of transfiguration, as a "soul-bird" a
"feathered
A GOD) From Myth to a Physical Model [Journals] [Aeon]
... . The gods are no longer present. The age of gods, in all
variations on the theme, passes into a more mundane, more
confused age, a less interesting, less real, less dramatic, less
heroic time, which can only take sustenance from reference
backwards. The gods and heroes departed, and in numerous
accounts the ____departure of a god or hero is accompanied by
great upheaval. If we can oversimplify the many forms in which
the ____departure of one or another god occurs, the most common
idea is transfiguration into a distant star- in the more
meticulously elaborated astronomies, a specific planet.
Countless other forms of transfiguration, as a "soul-bird" a
DEPARTURE OF GOD'S EYE/HEART
EYE) The Birth of Athena [Journals] [Aeon]
... the flaming goddess." (96) A similar invocation is the
following: "Hathor, great lady... the Eye of Re, lady of heaven,
mistress of all the gods, the daughter of Re, who came forth
from his body." (97) Most significant, perhaps, is the tradition
that the ____departure of the Eye-goddess signalled disaster for
the sun-god and his celestial kingdom. This tradition is the
basis for numerous passages in the Pyramid and Coffin Texts,
where the ____departure of the Eye constitutes a
world-threatening cataclysm: "I am the fiery Eye of Horus which
went forth terrible, Lady of slaughter... I am indeed she who
EYE) Mother Goddess and Warrior-Hero (Part One) [Journals]
[Aeon]
... - be demonstrated from a comprehensive analysis of the
myths. Moreover, it will be seen that, from this highly unusual
starting point, much of the complex history of the gods involves
nothing other than changes in the relative positions of the
participating bodies. Whether it is Saturn's exile from the
celestial kingdom, the birth of Jupiter, the ____departure of
the Venus-Eye, the binding of Saturn and/or Jupiter by Venus,
the birth of Mars, the ascent of the warrior hero to the
dwelling of the gods (not to mention Mars' "removal" of the
central column and the collapse of the divine habitation)- all
involve specific disturbances or changes that could not
VENUS) Velikovsky's Legacy [Articles]
... at a relatively recent date (certainly within the last
5-10,000 years), Venus participated in a very unusual celestial
configuration, one which found the Cytherean planet positioned
between Saturn and the Earth, whereby it presented the
appearance of a central, luminous "eye" set within the borders
of the larger gas giant. It was the ____departure of Venus from
its axial location vis a vis Saturn which precipitated (or was a
consequence of) a spectacular cataclysm recalled as the "death"
of the first king, the end of a great age, the disaster to end
all disasters, etc. (As the first king, Saturn was the
celebrated ruler of a lost
VENUS) The Saturn Thesis (Part 2) [Journals] [Aeon]
... Comaetho (Venus) who removed the hair-strands, or soul, of
the king, thus causing his death. The strands of hair will be
the rays of the heart-soul, and removal of the heart soul is the
removal of Venus itself. (As I suggested above, the tri-form
appears to be the unique form of Venus prior to ____departure
from its position squarely in the center of Saturn.) But for now
I think we should stop here, since other features of the
evolving configuration are just as interesting and will give us
the bigger picture we are looking for. EQUAL-LIMBED CROSS AEON:
Without getting away from the bigger picture you refer to, can
you at least
GODDESS) Thoth Vol IV, No 13: Aug 31, 2000 [Journals] [Thoth]
... the sovereign god's power. She is his "radiance," his
"glory," even his "life," --a role she fills concretely in her
capacity as the god's central, luminous eye, heart, or soul. All
of the leading Egyptian and Mesopotamian goddesses, for example,
reveal this underlying character. 2) The ____departure of the
goddess begins a series of events leading to a descent into
chaos, the onset of world-destroying catastrophe and the
perceived "death" of the sovereign himself, whose flaming "soul"
rages in the sky in the form of the angry, lamenting, or warring
goddess. The most common form of the raging goddess is the
HEART) Thoth Vol II, No. 20: Dec 31, 1998 [Journals] [Thoth]
... the "life" of the sun god, to whom the goddess was so
intimately linked. Remove the central star and you are, in fact,
looking at the mythical "death" of the sovereign power, when his
heart and soul departed from him to take on a much different
appearance. Indeed, this very idea - the ____departure of the
heart-soul - emphasizes how quickly the acid tests expand the
domain of evidence, no matter where one starts an investigation.
We are not just dealing with static forms, but sequences of
events as well. So we should expect to find the same critical
sequence apparent in all of the images we have listed above. A
considerable
HEART) The Great Comet Venus [Journals] [Aeon]
... of cyclical time, including a calendar of world ages: the
death of Quetzalcoatl, the onset of celestial confusion, and the
transformation of his heart-souHl into the planet Venus meant
nothing less than the end of one world age and the beginning of
another. SOUL-BIRD, WINGED STAR FIGURE 4: Aztec comet with
plumed tail In connection with the ____departure of the
god-king's heart-soul as a "plumed" or "burning" star, one notes
that Mesoamerican traditions produced many variations on the
underlying idea. One influential variant was the idea of the
heart-soul sprouting wings and soaring away. "On the death of a
great noble, his soul was thought of as taking flight like a
bird
HEART) Thoth Vol I, No. 19: July 16, 1997 [Journals] [Thoth]
... model of planetary history. The consensus of participants
was that we are in for one helluva an intellectual revolution.-
VELIKOVSKY'S COMET VENUS (3 ) David Talbott
(dtalbott@teleport.com) [EDITOR'S NOTE: This continues Talbott's
series of articles on the myth of the comet Venus.] SOUL-BIRD,
WINGED STAR In connection with the ____departure of the
god-king's heart- soul as a "plumed" or "burning" star, one
notes that Mesoamerican traditions produced many variations on
the underlying idea. One influential variant was the idea of the
heart-soul sprouting wings and soaring away. "On the death of a
great noble, his soul was thought of as taking flight like
HEART) Thoth Vol I, No. 22: August 31, 1997 [Journals] [Thoth]
... case, the relationship is self-evident: the comet means the
death of the king because tradition proclaimed that on the death
of GREAT KING (the god remembered as the PROTOTYPE of kings) his
soul departed from him in a cosmic disaster. And the comet
brings the end of the world because, in the death of the
god-king and the ____departure of his heart-soul as a comet, a
former world age ended catastrophically. Having raised the
question rhetorically, I do not expect the critic to accept the
suggested explanation of comet symbolism apart from the complete
presentation of evidence in this series. Nevertheless, for the
sake of saving time, it may be helpful to give the gist of
HEART) Morning Star* [Journals] [Aeon]
... Mars, which was superimposed plumb in the center of the
Venerian sphere, should also have been visualized as the same,
or a similar, organ. And, in fact, Talbott has already indicated
that, at least in Egypt, Mars was viewed as the heart of the
heart. (149) That being the case, the ____departure of
Quetzalcoatl's heart could just as easily be seen as the
dropping of the Martian orb from its previous Saturnian/Venerian
center. Like Venus, Mars did not depart from the Saturnian
configuration despite its drop from the center. Like Venus, and
as seen from Earth, Mars also took up a position in close
conjunction with the Saturnian
SOUL) The Mythical History of the Comet Venus (Part I)
[Journals] [Aeon]
... also the living symbol of Osiris, and that it came forth
from the very heart of the god."(77) "I am the Bennu, the Ba
[soul] of Ra," proclaims the Book of the Dead.(78) What is
indisputable in the Bennu myth is that this soul-bird,
subsequent to its ____departure from the sun god, rose as the
Morning Star.(79) In the Book of the Dead, for example, the
deceased prays that "I may come forth like the Bennu, the
Morning Star."(80) "I come forth like the Bennu, the Morning
Star of Ra."(81)
SOUL)
The Milky Way [Journals] [Aeon]
... for example. 171. PT 603. 172. CT II:374-376. 173. See the
discussion in E. Budge, The Gods of the Egyptians, Vol. II (N .Y
., 1969), pp. 91 ff. 174. The planet Venus also played a
prominent role in the ancient myth of the ____departure of the
sun-god's "soul" as we have documented elsewhere. See E.
Cochrane, "On Comets and Kings," Aeon 2:1 (1989), pp. 53-75.
175. E. Cochrane, "Indra," AEON II:4 (May 1991), pp. 74 ff. 176.
J
>On Comets and Kings [Journals] [Aeon]
... There it is Oxlahun-ti-ku (13 gods) who suffers some kind of
injury to his eye. (113) Pickands summarized these myths as
follows: "It seems that both the Popul Vuh and the manuscripts
of colonial Yucatan retain accounts relating to the destruction
of the previous world and of the downfall of its inhabitants, in
particular the First Father (called Vucub Kaqix in the Popul Vuh
and Oxlahun-ti-ku in the Yucatecan manuscripts) This deity
appears to have been the fallen Sun' of the last creation of the
world, blinded and relegated to the underworld as the Earth
Lord." (114) The possibility should thus be considered that the
ancient Mesoamericans commemorated the expulsion of Venus from
Saturn in two ways: the first as the disembodiment of
Quetzalcoatl's "heart-soul", and the second as the removal of
the sun-god's eye. (115)
_The Death of Osiris. The transfiguration of Quetzalcoatl has
numerous parallels throughout the ancient world. (116) None,
perhaps, is as striking as the Egyptian account of the death of
Osiris. The Egyptian legends associated with Osiris share many
points of resemblance with the Mesoamerican legends of
Quetzalcoatl. Like Quetzalcoatl, Osiris was represented as an
ancient sun-god who lived on earth as a primeval king. Among his
numerous accomplishments are included the introduction of the
first laws, religious rites, and system of writing. Indeed the
reign of Osiris is represented as a veritable Golden Age to
which future Egyptians looked back with reverence. (117) The
murder of Osiris is alluded to frequently in the Pyramid texts
and elsewhere, but a complete account of the myth has not
survived. It is known, however, that upon his death Osiris'
heart (or soul) flew off in the form of a bird and became the
Morning Star! (118) The importance of this event for an
understanding of the cosmology of the ancient Egyptians can
hardly be overestimated, the death and transfiguration of Osiris
constituting the fundamental mystery of the ancient Egyptian
religion. (119) Thus Clark declares: "The rising of the Osiris
soul was therefore the sentimental core of life, the central
fact in the structure of the universe." (120) The bird-like
being identified with the soul of Osiris was known to the
ancient Egyptians as the Benu. Upon analysis of the symbolism
associated with Venus, in our opinion, is to be found in the
tradition that Venus as the Morning Star first appeared (or was
born) in the wake of the fiery demise of a former world age, one
associated with the kingship of Quetzalcoatl. (66) Rather than
being a "primitive" or pre-astronomical interpretation of a
cyclic occurrence such as the appearance of Venus as Evening
Star (as per the interpretation of Aveni), the myth of
Quetzalcoatl seems to commemorate a specific cataclysmic event:
the initial appearance of the planet Venus as an independent
orb. Davies, acknowledging that this was the original
significance of the myth of Quetzalcoatl's transfiguation,
nevertheless objects that such an interpretation is hardly to be
entertained: "At some point in the account, history ends and
legend begins, unless one is really to believe that the planet
Venus was actually formed from his body and had not previously
existed!" (67) We are prepared to suggest that this was, in
fact, the actual significance of the myth of the transfiguration
of Quetzalcoatl: the "birth" of the planet Venus from the "body"
of some other celestial object. (68) Prior to that most
memorable occasion Venus had existed in such a close relation to
the ancient sun god that it was not yet distinguishable as a
separate body. How that was possible we shall soon see, but
first the identity of Quetzalcoatl commands our attention.
_Quetzalcoatl. The correct identification of Quetzalcoatl is
fundamental to the proper interpretation of Mexican mythology.
The usual interpretation of the myth, as we have seen,
identifies Quetzalcoatl with the Sun. Other scholars, basing
their opinion on the datum with regards to the flight of his
heart/soul, have identified Quetzalcoatl with the planet Venus.
One of the leading Mayan scholars, David Kelley, has opted for
Mercury as the planet behind the god. (69) Still others have
seen in Quetzalcoatl a personification of the amorphous sky.
(70) The celestial identification of Quetzalcoatl, quite
clearly, is not a simple question, and it is further complicated
by the fact that the Mesoamericans themselves apparently wavered
with regard to the original celestial identity. (71) The myth of
Quetzalcoatl, in my opinion, offers a perfect test of the
comparative approach to mythology. For it is in cases like this,
where the indigenous sources themselves are scanty or
contradictory, that the comparative method is of especial value.
What then can comparative mythology tell us? A summary of the
myth of Quetzalcoatl would contain the following motives: first
king, cultural hero, leader of a great migration, victim of a
tragic death, and transfiguration into the planet Venus.
Alexander condenses the myth of Quetzalcoatl as follows:
"According to native tradition, Quetzalcoatl had been the wise
and good ruler of Tollan in the Golden Age of Anahuac, lawgiver,
teacher of the arts, and founder of a purified religion. Driven
from his kingdom by the machinations of evil magicians, he
____departed over the eastern sea for Tlapallan, the land of
plenty, promising to return and reinstitute his kindly creed on
some future anniversary of the day of his ____departure." (72)
Here it must be said that Mesoamerican culture is not alone in
ascribing its cultural achievements to the designs of some early
ruler, one virtually indistinguishable from the gods. As the
first king and culture hero of Mexican tradition Quetzalcoatl
conforms to a universal archetype: that of the primeval king.
There are countless examples of this figure, of which the Greek
Kronos, Latin Saturn, Iranian Yima, Hebrew El, and Chinese
Huang-ti are among the most familiar. As we have documented
elsewhere, it is possible to identify a celestial prototype for
each of these legendary figures: namely, the planet Saturn. (73)
Each of these primeval kings, in fact, was identified with the
planet Saturn by sources indigenous to their respective
cultures. This fact alone offers us a powerful clue with regards
to Quetzalcoatl's original identity. The religious rites
associated with Quetzalcoatl also suggest a relationship to
Saturn. Diego Duran, a Dominican missionary and one of the first
outsiders to investigate the New World religion at first hand,
quoted a native informant as telling him that "all the
ceremonies and rites, building temples and altars ... all these
things imitated the ways of that holy man [i.e., Quetzalcoatl]."
(74) One of these rites featured a mock king who was selected
upon the basis of his beauty and physical perfection, attired
after the fashion of Quetzalcoatl and fested royally for 40
days.
KRISHNA) Chapter 5-6 (Hamlet's Mill)
... Finnish epic appears as a last dim and apparently
meaningless reflection. Kullervo goes with the black dog Musti,
the only living soul left from his home, into the forest where
he throws himself upon his sword. Now what about Krishna, most
beloved deity of the Hinduistic Pantheon? Some of his
innumerable deeds and victorious adventures before his
"____departure" will look familiar. 80 Young Krishna is the
persecuted nephew of a cruel uncle, Kansa (or Kamsa), both
being, as Keith [n10 B. Keith, Indian Mythology (1917), p. 126.
For the deeds of Krishna, see pp. 14ff.] styles it,
"protagonists in a
VAINAMOINEN) Chapter 7-9 (Hamlet's Mill)
... . When the sun and moon are absent, In the air no joy
remaineth." Then the aged Vainamoinen Went upon his journey
singing, Sailing in his boat of copper, In his vessel made of
copper, Sailed away to loftier regions, To the land beneath the
heavens. Actually, there are more runes which tell of
Vainamoinen's ____departure, as we learn from Haavio. He plunges
to the depths of the sea; to the lowest sea to the lowest bowels
of the earth to the lowest regions of the heavens to the doors
of the great mouth of death. Or, he sailed into the throat of
the maelstroem into the mouth of the maelstroem, into the
SHAH) Ch 3-4 (Hamlet's Mill)
... crown and throne will pass." The great Shah, then, who had
once stated (at his first joint enthronement) : "The whole world
is my kingdom, all is mine From Pisces downward to the Bull's
head," [n8 Firdausi, Warner trans., vol. 2, p. 407.] prepares
his ____departure, takes leave of his paladins, waving aside
their supplications and those of his whole army: A cry rose from
the army of Iran: The sun hath wandered from its way in heaven!
The dream of Tarquin finds here an early echo. The Shah appoints
as his successor Luhrasp and wanders off to a mountaintop,
accompanied by
PLANETS) The Cosmic String of Pearls [Journals] [Aeon]
... . It is also well known that the Hindu astronomers looked to
a particular star in the east, that marked the initial point
from which they held that the motion of the planets (as it is
phrased) commenced at the time of creation, and to which, at
vast recurring intervals, they return, for the same conjunction
and ____departure to be repeated. [41] Sima Qian, in D. W.
Pankenier, "Astrological origins of Chinese dynastic ideology,"
Vistas in Astronomy, 39. 4 (1995), pp. 503 - 516. [42] M.
Baillie, Exodus to Arthur: catastrophic encounters with comets
(London, 2000)
MOONS) The Saturn Myth: A Tentative Physical Model [Journals]
[Aeon]
... to that of the solar wind, the atmospheres of the gas giants
expanded and escaped as cometary comas and tails; being
waterless and devoid of solids, these hydrogen-helium effluxes
were invisible to the naked human eyes of Earth and left no
record in mythology. Humanity was indelibly imprinted with the
images of the celestial spectacles generated by the disruptions
and ____departures of its gigantic stationary polar "moons."
Resuming the struggle for existence and progress, the peoples of
the world recorded the events of "the end of the world" in the
cultural forms then at hand. (8 ) 10. The End of another "world"
Far-ranging proto-Venus, ejected from one of the proto-Jovian "
TIME) The Date Of The Loss Of Atlantis (The Atlantis Myth)
[Books]
... solar cycles of 1,460 years, the Assyrians by lunar periods
equivalent to 1,805 years. It goes without saying that the
obvious procedure would be to `set' a calendar system by some
important event. The most momentous natural event that may
conceivably happen, and the one also that would cry out for a
completely new ____departure in the reckoning of time, would be
the transformation of an independent planet into a satellite of
the Earth. Now, the Palaeo-Assyrians could not possibly have
calculated by months and major lunar periods at the time when
the Earth was still without a Moon; but when the unbelievable
thing occurred, they might have felt induced to abandon whatever
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The Sacred Theory of the Earth by Dr. Thomas Burnet [Books]
... of a different form and Construction from the present. This
is prov'd from Divine authority, and from the Nature and form of
the Chaos, out of which the Earth was made. CHAPTER. V The
second proportion is laid down, viz. That The face of the Earth
before the Deluge was smooth, regular and uniform; without
____mountains. and without a sea. The Chaos out of which the
World rise, is fully examin'd, and all its motions observed, and
by what steps it wrought it. self into an habitable World. some
things in antiquity relating to the first state of the Earth are
interpreted and some things in the sacred writings The divine
art
Mountain Thrusts In The Alps And Elsewhere. Ch.6 Mountains And
Rifts (Earth In Upheaval) [Velikovsky] [Velikovsky Earth in
Upheaval]
... From "Earth in Upheaval" © 1955 by Immanuel Velikovsky |
FULL TEXT NOT AVAILABLE Contents ____Mountain Thrusts In The
Alps And Elsewhere THE AGE of a rock formation is ascertained
with the help of the fossils it contains. To the surprise of
many scientists, it was found that ____mountains have travelled,
since older formations have been pushed over on top of younger
ones. Chief ____Mountain in Montana is a massif standing several
thousand feet above the Great Plains. It "has been thrust bodily
upon the much younger strata of the Great Plains, and then
driven over them eastward, for a distance of at least eight
miles. Indeed, the thrust may have been several times eight
Catastrophic Theory of Mountain Uplifts (A Crustal Deformation
Theory) [Journals] [Catastrophism & Ancient History]
... From: Catastrophism and Ancient History XIII:1 (Jan 1991)
Home | Issue Contents Catastrophic Theory of ____Mountain
Uplifts (A Crustal Deformation Theory)Donald W. Patten and
Samuel R. Windsor Introduction Astronomers, geographers,
geologists and others search for a theory that addresses the
causation of ____mountains. ____Mountain ranges, ____mountain
systems, ____mountain cycles, volcanoes, and basaltic outflows
all cast shadows over a culture unable to explain their
existence. The origin of ____mountain ranges, ____mountain
systems, volcanoes, etc., comes under the general term "crustal
deformation." Other like terms are "____mountain uplifts," and
"orogeny." Most of the ideas suggested for crustal
x. A Tale of Two Mountains: Ararat and Sinai [Journals] [SIS
Review]
... From: SIS Chronology & Catastrophism Review 1998:2 (Mar
1998) Home | Issue Contents A Tale of Two ____Mountains: Ararat
and Sinai by Damien F. Mackey Moses wrote the Exodus account in
terms of a miniature Flood story', portraying himself as the new
Noah. This article illustrates the Flood-Exodus parallelisms and
ultimately draws the conclusion that the reason why Mount Sinai
was revered as the ____mountain of God', even prior to the
Exodus (cf. 3:1 ), was because it was the ____mountain upon
which Noah's Ark had landed. A: Comparisons Between Genesis and
Exodus Moses, who compiled Genesis from the series of family
histories (Toledoth) of
Analogous Mountain Building [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... From: SIS Workshop Vol 5 No 1 (1982) Home | Issue Contents
Analogous ____Mountain Building D. A. SLADE The consideration of
geology on a global scale has certain disadvantages mainly due
to its enormity, thus making impractical laboratory experiments
on the theories that have been evolved to explain the wealth of
observed facts: in this age of electronics we hear a great deal
about computer models - these are very helpful, but their
usefulness must depend upon the information contained in the
program. There is so little known of sub-crustal structure and
its behaviour that the computer model can only confirm or deny
the validity of the speculation of the programmers; if it were
otherwise, some
Boiling Earth and Sea, Part 1 Venus Ch.4 (Worlds in Collision)
[Velikovsky] [Velikovsky Worlds in Collision]
... the exterior. The earth, disturbed in its rotation,
developed heat. The land surface became hot. Various sources of
many peoples describe the melting of the earth's surface and the
boiling of the sea. The earth burst and lava flowed. The Mexican
sacred book, Popol-Vuh, the Manuscript Cakchiquel, the
Manuscript Troano all record how the ____mountains in every part
of the Western Hemisphere simultaneously gushed lava. The
volcanoes that opened along the entire chain of the Cordilleras
and in other ____mountain ranges and on flat land vomited fire,
vapour, and torrents of lava. These and other Mexican sources
relate how, at the closing hours of the age that was brought to
an end by
Volcanoes, Earthquakes, Comets. Ch.9 Axis Shifted (Earth In
Upheaval) [Velikovsky] [Velikovsky Earth in Upheaval]
... From "Earth in Upheaval" © 1955 by Immanuel Velikovsky |
FULL TEXT NOT AVAILABLE Contents Volcanoes, Earthquakes, Comets
A great chain of volcanoes girdles the Pacific Ocean. The Andes
in South America are studded with many volcanic summits, among
them the loftiest volcanic ____mountain in the world: Cotopaxi
in Ecuador is over 19 000 feet high. The Andes reached their
present height only in the age of modern man. Magma intruded
into the rock and lifted it; in many places magma reached the
surface, broke through vents, and built craters. Most of those
volcanoes, however, are already extinct. Central America abounds
in volcanoes, most of them extinct or dormant;
The Tertiary Age (Life History of Our Earth) [Books]
... . The gravitational powers of the satellite now played
chiefly on one hemisphere of the Earth, and upon a relatively
small area of that hemisphere. The satellite tried to pull that
area especially towards itself (cf. arrows in Diagram 17). As a
result there was considerable tectonic activity, rifting,
faulting, and some slight folding, ____mountain ridges were
lifted up at the places where the terrestrial surface cracked
under the strain exerted upon it. Here and there Palaeozoic rock
yeas forced up through the Mesozoic strata where they had been
riven by faults. The faulting to which the old rocks owe their
present position is regarded by most geologists as having
happened in early Tertiary times.
The "drift" Mystery Cleared Part 3 Ch.VII (The Mysterious Comet)
[Books]
... it appear in the Antipodes) by a vast invasion of ice upon
the lands hitherto enjoying a warm sub-tropical climate, as
proved by the deposits buried under this "drift." Geologists
agree that the period synchronised with the sinking of many
land-surfaces, that terrific convulsions shook the earth, old
lands in some cases disappeared under the seas, ____mountains in
places were driven down and in others sprang up, and islands
appeared where before there had been seas. This is in accordance
with Aristotle, who in his Meteorologia taught that there were
periodical upheavals in the earth's history when what was land
became water and water land. De Lapparent, the French geologist,
has said of the
Floods and Tides [Books] [de Grazia books]
... motions and the tortured terrain. However, our model here
and in Chaos and Creation calls for a small portion of the
Earth's present waters having been available for the tides
caused by lunar evacuation. Less waters would yet have been
available for the tides that would otherwise reach miles into
the sky. Nor, for that matter, were the ____mountains elevated
to their present heights, but rather were only then forming
under catastrophic diastrophism. The Saturnian or Noachian Flood
some thousands of years later than the postulated lunar tide
also would have had major traits of a tidal disaster. Patten
estimates aquatic tides of 5,000 to 10,000 feet above sea level
and extensive tides of magma
Sagan's fourth problem: Terrestrial Geology And Lunar Craters
(Carl Sagan & Immanuel Velikovsky) [Books]
... proofs that this part of the continent of South America has
been elevated near the coast at least 400 to 500 feet, and in
some parts 1,000 to 1,300 feet, since the epoch of existing
shells, and further inland the rise may have been greater."
[From Darwin's Naturalist's Voyage] When did the Andes
____mountains rise? According to the New York Times, (Oct. 3,
1989), pp. C1 and C14, "Archaeologists working in Peru have
unearthed stunning evidence that monumental architecture,
complex societies and planned developments first appeared and
flowered in the New World between 5, 000 and 3, 500 years ago. "
The author
Mountain Thrusts In The Alps And Elsewhere. Ch.6 Mountains And
Rifts (Earth In Upheaval) [Velikovsky] [Velikovsky Earth in
Upheaval]
... the ____mountains rose as late as in the age of man and
carried up with them the caverns of early man? In recent years
evidence has grown rapidly to show, in contrast to previous
opinion, that the Alps and other ____mountains rose and attained
their present heights, and also travelled long distances, in the
age of man. "
uplifts amounting to many thousands of feet have occurred
within the Pleistocene epoch [Ice Age] itself." This occurred
with "the Cordilleran ____mountain system in both North and
South America, the Alps-Caucasus-Central Asian system, and many
others . . . . "7 The fact of the late up-thrust of the major
ridges of the world created
Thrusting and Orogeny [Books] [de Grazia books]
... located Italy and Switzerland. The famous "nappes" of the
Alps are but smaller thrusts laid upon great ones. The alpine
massif smothered the long rift that once cut through the
"Adriatic Sea" and "Rhine River Valley." Or the American
cordillera, thousands of kilometers long, stretching from Alaska
to Tierra del Fuego; there ____mountain uplifts amounting to
thousands of meters have occurred, it is agreed by a range of
authors from C. Darwin to I. Velikovsky, in absolutely modern
times. The Sierra Nevadas of California are a single block, a
thousand kilometers long, thrust up westwards. The Himalayas
rose steeply in human times. "The highest ____mountains in
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(Ev said Moses is a myth, so I searched for articles that agree)
Discussion [Journals] [Aeon]
... that such traditions as those surrounding the Hebrew exodus
from Egypt represent genuine history rather than sacred history
as understood by such scholars as Eliade and Dumézil; i.e .,
ancient cosmology subsequently translated into tribal "history."
Researchers who would attempt to reconstruct a viable chronology
of the ancient world based upon the stories surrounding such
figures as ____Moses, Abraham, and Samson remind me a good deal
of the folks hiking up Mt. Ararat in the hopes of catching a
glimpse of the ark. Simply put: they're barking up the wrong
mountain. Yours truly, finally, capped off the weekend with an
overview of the planetary- debate from Worlds in Collision to
The Saturn
Astronomical Dating and Calendrics [Journals] [Aeon]
... most often is that of the Biblical Abraham. He is said to
have arrived in Mesopotamia from Chaldea, (4 ) visited Egypt, (5
) and was thus in a position able to provide confirmation
concerning the age of developed cultures in both regions. Since
the lineage supplied by Genesis places Abraham's birth at more
than 500 years before ____Moses, the patriarch would have left a
flourishing Mesopotamian city around 2100 BCE to acquaint
himself with a similarly flourishing Egypt a few decades later.
Following the elimination of Abraham as a historical figure- a
process that commenced in the late 19th century and was only
completed in the 70's of the 20th, when it was established that
Abrahamic lore
A RENAISSANCE SATURN [Journals] [Aeon]
... fact that Bacchus as an infant is more typically represented
in the arms of Mercury, renders either interpretation of these
figures unlikely. Nevertheless, these stories share a common
narrative concerning a divine child who has been rescued in
order to fulfill a significant destiny. As a category, this
group could accommodate the Old Testament story of the finding
of ____Moses by pharaoh's daughter, as well as its New Testament
counterpart, the flight into Egypt. Typologically, the
sixteenth-century category of the divine infant included another
significant narrative whose allusive potential and rich
ambiguity of meaning not only paralleled that of Correggio's
paired figures but once again related them to the realm of ideas
from which the three preceding lunettes derived
The Israelite Conquest of Canaan [Journals] [Aeon]
... History "There was no real Exodus, there was no real
wilderness wandering, and there was no sojourn at
Kadesh-Barnea." (1 ) This statement of the eminent excavator of
Gezer/Israel sums up mainstream perplexity about one of the most
famous stories mankind preserved from generation to generation.
Long ago more than one scholar recognized that the ____Moses
legends originated around the priestly site in Midian and only
later were attached to the legends of the Exodus and the birth
of a childlike hero. (2 ) This knowledge is not opposed to the
tradition of catastrophically-uprooted tribes, arriving from
Egypt and other regions closer to the land of Canaan to take
over prior Canaanite settlements. It will
Book Shelf [Journals] [Aeon]
... plains surrounded by lakes and pools. Such primary deities
go by many names, either coming from, or going toward, watery
seas, as did Kukulcan of the Mayas or Quetzalcoatl of the
Aztecs. And, likewise in Egyptian myth, is Osiris, whose
funerary boat was associated with the Nile. Or even that of the
biblical newborn ____Moses, whose reed boat was found in the
rushes of the Nile, and whose name means simply "child" or
"son." But, unmentioned by Hancock, in the Asiatic sphere there
is the equivalent Iranian Kai Khusrau, who is associated with
Lake Vurukasha (6 )- a watery designation bearing a remarkable
homophonic similarity to
Velikovsky in America [Journals] [Aeon]
... earth tremble.- Guglielmo Ferrero American Exodus In
December 16, 1937, Simon Velikovsky died. Despite the
intellectual gifts and forceful personality his son had
displayed on numerous occasions, Immanuel Velikovsky, already in
his early forties, had accomplished little. That same year,
Sigmund Freud began publishing in serial form what would be his
final book, ____Moses and Monotheism. The book's central theses
were that ____Moses was not Jewish but Egyptian; that he did not
originate the monotheistic principle that is at the heart of
Judaism but borrowed the concept from the heretical Pharaoh
Akhnaton; and that his followers, "a throng of culturally
inferior immigrants", (1 ) did not even create the
Velikovsky and Catastrophism: A Hidden Agenda? [Journals] [Aeon]
... have been made painfully familiar in his secular education.
Spanning some 100 years, it challenged the authenticity of every
section of the Jewish Bible by arguing that its major components
were copies of earlier Babylonian or Canaanite prototypes and
that its present form was a craftily-selected composite of
various sometimes-contradictory earlier sources, rather than an
original document dictated by God to ____Moses. So extreme was
this attack upon the Jewish Bible that, to quote a leading
commentary at the turn of the century: Religious terms, ideas,
institutions, once supposed to be peculiar to Israel, are now
seen to be common to them and other nations; in some cases,
moreover, priority clearly does not lie with
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9500 landslip) Discussion [Journals] [Aeon]
... 2637. Huwawa SPEAKER: Dwardu Cardona In AEON II:1 , p. 130,
Norman Schwartz registered his disagreement with Ev Cochrane's
identification of Huwawa as a personification of Saturn (see
Cochrane in AEON I:4 :95-97 and KRONOS IX:2 :15-16). This
disagreement also reflects on my own article in KRONOS IX: ...
in the Saidmarreh landslip of the Kabir Kuh. As noted on page 9
of the above, the event is believed to have taken place in
"about 9,500 BC____." Needless to say, Wilson did not fail to
fit Huwawa in his "gas escape" scheme. Thus, on page 80 of his
work we find
>6000 horns) The Bedrock of Myth [Articles]
... [ CD-Rom Home ] THE BEDROCK OF MYTH by Roger Ashton Tracing
the Origin of Myth The Nonexistent Sunlike Saturn Perceived Form
and the Passage of Time An Alternative Conjecture The Sequence
of Manifestations The Forms of the Polar Apparition Sungir and
the Nasatyas The Triple Crescent and the Neanderthals Three
Tests 1. Tracing the Origin of Myth If the metaphors of ...
reconstruct it now. Figure 9 below represents schematically the
frontal aspect of the seven pairs of cow's horns set upon an
altar at Çatal Hüyük in Anatolia. Dated at 6000 BC____, this
relic provides physical evidence that the concentricity of the
seven pairs of horns or crescents was still known 8000 years
ago. It justifies the retrospective reconstruction based on
6000 Palestine) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... trip to Neptune, the most difficult to explain have been
those concerning Neptune's ring systems. Still clinging to the
shepherding moonlet theory' which was advocated for ringlet
control at Saturn and Uranus, astronomers have hit problems with
Neptune's. This planet has incomplete rings, or arcs, which look
as though some force must be keeping them bunched' ... with the
first cultivation of maize. Other erosion events are noted for
2300 and 1000 years BP. Similarly, in Palestine the collapse of
some communities there at about 6000 BC____ appears also to be
associated with deforestation and subsequent overgrazing.
Climatic Catastrophes sources: New Scientist 3.3 .90, p. 31;
Observer 26.11
>5800 Scot.waves) Monitor. C&C Review 2002:1 [Journals] [SIS
Review]
... therefore of a type which could have brought water and
organic compounds to the early Earth. It also seems that
impacting comets were responsible for the dozen small moons
discovered around Saturn: they are the shattered remains of
larger objects captured by Saturn's gravity. The Production of
Planets New Scientist 15.9 .01, p. 13, 29 ... Sea and at the
same time caused massive tsunamis which devastated the east
coast of Scotland. Evidence for the tsunamis has been found in
sand sediments radiocarbon dated to around 5800 BC____ and the
remains of a hunting camp where flint tools and weapons were
scattered across a wide area. Many coastal villages would have
been wiped out. Canary Conundrum New
5000 Ir.tombs) Thoth Vol IV, No 11: July 15, 2000 [Journals]
[Thoth]
... VISIT THE KRONIA COMMUNICATIONS WEBSITE:
HTML http://www.kronia.com
Subscriptions to AEON, a journal of myth
and science, now with regular features on the Saturn theory and
electric universe, may be ordered from this page:
HTML http://www.kronia.com
/html/sales.html Other suggested Web site
... patterns (although he doesn't like the term), other goddess
symbols, and drawings of plans of court cairns (megalithic
tombs) found in Ireland, c. 5000 BC____. The cairns supposedly
represent the goddess in a pregnant state, and the maze aspect
to the tombs is a birth ritual. Then he associates Neolithic
carvings with warrior-hero
4800 C14 date) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... likely meteoritic) origin. There may be problems with the
Alvarez asteroid theory but the evidence behind it does indicate
the gradualists have a case to prove. NON-GRAVITATIONAL RINGS OF
SATURN?- NATURE 4/12/80, p.439-42 As a follow-up to the articles
by I.C . Johnson and M. J. Sieff we ... had been drowned by the
sea on two occasions. A radiocarbon date for forest material was
performed by Prof. Mitchell of Trinity College Dublin and gave a
result of 4800 BC____. In a delightful observation, they
recorded how one of the pine cones brought back from the forest,
washed and scrubbed and left alone on a school bench happened
4004 Creation) Horizons [Journals] [SIS Review]
... As an example, Axel Firsoff, in "The Solar System's
Non-identical Twins" (December 1981), looks at Uranus and
Neptune and notes that, like Jupiter and Saturn, Neptune has an
internal heat source and there are good grounds to suspect that
Uranus also shares this characteristic. Further, in relation to
Venus' heat, Firsoff ... (January 1981), the latest available to
this reviewer. To take one example, an article celebrating 400
years of Archbishop Ussher, who dated the Creation at 4004
BC____, ends with the comments [echoing those of Bruno de
Finetti elsewhere in this issue - Eds.]: "So have we really got
it right at last
4004 Bible) Catastrophism and Evolution [Journals] [SIS Review]
... satellites, Triton, is extremely close to the surface of the
planet and has retrograde motion, as do some of the moons of the
other outer planets. Phoebe orbits Saturn in an eccentric,
retrograde path and is rocky whereas the other Saturnian moons
are icy [1 ]. The outer eight Jovian moons are much smaller than
the inner ... of cataclysms. This was seized upon by
creationists, in an attempt to make the growing evidence of the
fossil record compatible with Archbishop Ussher's calculated
date of creation, 4004 BC____. Such a short timescale certainly
required catastrophes to wipe out the animals no longer found
living on the Earth, but known from their fossilised remains. So
catastrophism tended
>4004 Bible) Catastrophism and Evolution [Articles]
... satellites, Triton, is extremely close to the surface of the
planet and has retrograde motion, as do some of the moons of the
other outer planets. Phoebe orbits Saturn in an eccentric,
retrograde path and is rocky whereas the other Saturnian moons
are icy (1- see references at end). The outer eight Jovian moons
are ... of cataclysms. This was seized upon by creationists, in
an attempt to make the growing evidence of the fossil record
compatible with Archbishop Ussher's calculated date of creation,
4004 BC____. Such a short timescale certainly required
catastrophes to wipe out the animals no longer found living on
the Earth, but known from the stratigraphic boundaries over the
last 36
4004 Bible) The Anomalous Condition of Venus and the Origin of
the Solar System [Journals] [SIS Review]
... bodies must have lost their volatile constituents in
function of their mass and distance from the primary appears to
be basically sound and is satisfied by the planets at least up
to Saturn and the Galilean satellites of Jupiter. Venus alone is
out of step. Not only has it a more massive atmosphere than its
own mass and position in the solar ... history. This puts me in
mind of Archbishop Ussher's firm conclusion, reached in 1654 and
so within the lifetime of Newton, that the world began on 26
October 4004 BC____ on not unsimilar grounds. Newton himself
estimated that 20-40 million years would be required for the
Earth to cool from red heat to its present condition. In this he
4000- Corsica) Letters [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... of Gad. Also there were other people called Nahash or
serpent' within the Bible (cf. I Chronicles 2:16 and II Samuel
17:27-29). Saturn or the Sea Peoples?I recently visited Corsica,
a wild and mountainous island with some very interesting
megalithic sites. As with most such sites, there is more ... to
seeing some of these sites for myself, to judge the plausibility
of the current theories. The story goes that the original
megalithic people inhabited the island from around 4000 BC____
until 1400 BC____, when it was invaded and taken over by the
Torreans, or tower builders. Early megalithic structures
consisted of low circles of standing stones surrounding a
3806 old trees) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... known asteroid but strangely coma-less and tail-less for a
comet when first discovered in 1977, has at last begun to show
itself in its true colours. Its orbit lies between Saturn and
Uranus and is far from circular: analysis shows that the orbit
is actually unstable. As Chiron has been approaching the Sun a
huge coma of gas and dust ... have re-measured the oaks of the
Sweet Track and found a good correlation with the English oak
chronology (which itself matches the Irish and German) and a
date of 3806 BC____ for its construction is given with
confidence. The only remaining puzzle is how the oaks were
wrongly measured in the first instance. Dating Thera source:
Archaeometry 32:
3500 Eg.map) Velikovsky's Sources Volume Three [Books]
... Up- shetau); the original reading was Upesh ( 'the
Resplendent Star'), or Horus, the Resplendent', and also the
Southern Star'. Saturn is Horus, the Bull'; and Mars is the Red
Horns' or Horus of the Horizon' (Harakhti). It is somewhat
surprising that Sebg( ... a map constructed for the northern
heavens. The point of observation was taken to be Cairo, which
would be equivalent to the ancient Heliopolis. The date selected
was 3500 BC____. This seemed a convenient one for several
reasons. In the first place it is not too far removed from the
age whence our earliest records come, and they
>3200 Atlantis) The Atlantis Researches by Paul Dunbavin (Book
review) [Journals] [SIS Review]
... may have affected agriculture. He also notes the Pleiades
star cluster marked the Celtic fire festival of Beltane (but see
also Mandelkehr) which may indicate the synodic period of Saturn
was used as an absolute check on the calendar. This may have
been the same reason Venus was observed by the Babylonians and
the Maya. Indeed, some investigators ... by Phillip Clapham A
few years ago it was popular to link the Atlantis legend with
the eruption of the Thera volcano on the Aegean island of
Santorini, at around 1400 BC____, bringing the curtain down on
the Minoan culture. Paul Dunbavin has reopened the debate. He
claims Atlantis was drowned at around 3200 BC____ as a result of
a
3000 Peru) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... up with so many answers to previously unexplained problems
that it has been given a jubilant thumbs up by some scientists.
They found that in the early system, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and
Neptune must have been in a very compact orbital situation' but
that because of thousands of surrounding planetesimals' there
were chaotic orbital perturbations which moved Jupiter's ... .
Within 1300 years the people had moved from simple men's huts'
to the first temples. In Peru it has been determined that the
earliest complex societies began around 3000 BC____ i.e . at the
same time as civilisations elsewhere around the world; pyramids,
temples and houses at one of the world's largest early cities at
Caral were
3000 Saturn) Brains Trust - Chronology and Ancient History
[Journals] [SIS Review]
... . This would impinge on the ionosphere, giving more visible
effects. Some sort of configuration in the past may have been
located at the North Pole. Perhaps it was Saturn and the other
planets, or perhaps it was just some sort of magnetic field-type
structure. However from time to time right up to the present
century, if you ... always been the symbol of Venus all over the
world. Q10. Peter James commented that most of the material
presented about Saturn comes from the last 3,000 years BC____.
Were there any ordinary representations of the sun? Why are all
the representations of Shamash and whatever assumed to be
Saturn? Did people in Babylonia and Egypt never
>>3000+ Peratt) News from the Internet [Journals] [SIS Review]
... "instability" that Peratt sees in his laboratory, and must
have been seen by ancient man in the skies. Peratt's research
was inspired by Dave Talbott, author the Saturn Myth, and Wal
Thornhill whose articles on The Electric Universe have appeared
in SIS publications. Their forthcoming book, Thunderbolts of the
Gods, is under preparation, but ... extraction with laboratory
data on the discharge sequence, "extracting dates seems
certain." He presently estimates that the 87 categories
generally fall in a range from 7,000 BC____ to 3,000 BC____.
Today, more than a dozen qualified individuals, constituting an
interdisciplinary nucleus, are working to reconstruct details of
the ancient celestial dramas.
3000 temple) Thoth Vol II, No. 3: February 15, 1998 [Journals]
[Thoth]
... regulator of the fate of kings and kingdoms in Mexico. (The
Great Comet DID "determine" the fate of the king's celestial
prototype; see earlier discussion of the Saturn theory.) A
compelling logic will thus be seen in Venus' definitive mythical
role- in regulating the cosmic cycles, ordaining festivals
pointing backward to the age of the ... , using instruments that
can detect small magnetic anomalies in the soil without
disturbing the surface. "To our surprise and delight what
emerged was a timber temple of about 3000 BC____," said Geoffrey
Wainwright, chief archaeologist at English Heritage. "There is
now no timber left? It would have decayed long ago. But the
disturbance of
>>3rd Eg.texts) Venus, Mars ... and Saturn [Journals] [SIS
Review]
... From: SIS Chronology & Catastrophism Review 1998:2 (Mar
1998) Home | Issue Contents Venus, Mars ... and Saturn by Ev
Cochrane
_Ev Cochrane is the publisher of Aeon. He is the author of
Martian Metamorphoses: The Planet Mars in Ancient Myth and
Religion as well as the forthcoming The Many Faces of Venus.
_Summary. Velikovsky's book The Age of Saturn has never been
published but researchers in the USA have continued to
investigate the role of Saturn in mythology and history. This
article presents a summary of their ideas, which suggest that
the ringed planet was a major influence on Earth in the past. As
we near the end of the millennium, a period traditionally
associated with apocalyptic fears and cometary disaster, the
time seems ripe for reconsidering the evidence as to the nature
of the agents responsible for recent cataclysms and the
concomitant genesis of ancient myth: were comets, or planets
with comet-like characteristics, the principal culprits? Some
SIS members appear inclined to abandon their roots in
Velikovskian catastrophism in favour of a comet-based model,
influenced by the theories of Victor Clube and Bill Napier.
Several observations are in order here. Firstly, it is necessary
to emphasise that the two models are by no means mutually
exclusive, except when it comes to specific claims (e.g. the
original identity of Inanna). Thus it is possible that a series
of planetary events was followed by episodes of cometary and
meteoritic bombardment. However it would be a grave mistake to
ignore altogether the possibility that planets were involved in
the pivotal events that shaped the recent history of our
species. This article seeks to summarise the Saturn-theory as it
currently stands [1 ]. The Saturn theory is an attempt to make
sense of the testimony bequeathed to us by our forebears in the
form of myth, ritual, literature, art, astronomical records and
language. In sacred lore from different cultures around the
world, certain mythical traditions are to be found virtually
everywhere - e.g. the Creation, the Golden Age', the Flood, the
dragon combat, etc. A systematic analysis of the recurring
themes and patterns in these different traditions reveals
numerous parallels converging upon the respective planets, which
are surprisingly consistent from land to land. If, for example,
we were to ask for the planet Venus' dominant role in ancient
mythology, the answer is obvious: it is the great mother
goddess. Thus Inanna, Ishtar, Anat, Aphrodite, Isis, Astarte,
Anahita and others are all explicitly identified with that
planet [2
... interpretation of them has unmistakably shown that the Eye
of Re was the morning star' [31]. Yet if the planet Venus was
only recently involved in a series of spectacular catastrophes,
as is deducible from the myths surrounding Inanna and her
analogues [32], it follows that the Eye of Ra' must also be
linked with ominous portents and catastrophic events of one sort
or the other. And so it is that, already in the Egyptian Pyramid
Texts and Coffin Texts from the third millennium BC____, there
appear numerous references to the terrifying time when the Eye'
threw the heavens into confusion. I am the fiery Eye of Horus
which went forth terrible,
3rd India) Letters [Journals] [SIS Review]
... 5 ]. This is typical Egyptian artwork with Horus and Thoth
flanking the emblem of Osiris. As this emblem has attributes of
the world pillar, as discerned in the Saturn myths by Cochrane,
Cardona & Talbott, and Osiris is the dying, resurrecting god,
the resemblance to Christian depictions of the sacrificial
Christ makes the association complete. ... . Much pre-Christian
imagery of a central figure with raised arms, flanked by two
other figures, is found across Europe and Asia. In Mohenjo Daro
of the 3rd millennium BC____ (orthodox) was found a cylinder
seal depicting such a figure between two rampant lions [1 ] and
a goddess with raised, crescent-shaped wings, also guarded by
3rd temples) Exploring The Saturn Myth [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... From: SIS Chronology and Catastrophism Workshop 1994 No 1
(Jan 1994) Home | Issue Contents Exploring The Saturn Myth
Evidence from Australian Aboriginal Story, Symbol and Art in
support of the Polar Configuration by Allan Beggs Representation
of the Polar Configuration (David Talbott, 1991) For several
years now I have been studying and researching the Theory ...
eye of Odin or Balor, a bright shining object in the sky, peered
out of the clouds - watching, and all seeing. The eye temples of
3rd millenium BC____ Tell Brak appear to reflect the same
general theme, but in a novel manner, a sequence of eyes
stretching into the distance (becoming smaller and smaller).
3rd Sumer) The Orion Mystery by Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert
[Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... at the end of the outstretched hand of Orion but located
within the constellation of Taurus. On that basis it could be
argued that Osiris = Kronos (see Cardona re Saturn), Seth = Zeus
and Horus = Herakles (the hero). The severed body of Osiris cum
Kronos was scattered around the sky and some of these fragments
... some ways as Sumer is assumed to have invented the Zodiacal
scheme and yet there is very little tangible evidence of direct
cultural contacts between Egypt and Sumer in the third
millennium BC____. Nevertheless, Bauval and Gilbert's treatment
of Egyptian texts of the period seem to make it clear that the
ancient Egyptians had developed a scheme very much like the
modern
3rd Greek) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Review]
... comment further? Magnetic planets New Scientist 17.1 .98, p.
23, 25.10.97, p. 58 Spectacular auroras have been seen on Saturn
and Jupiter. The latter also show two bright streaks where
electric currents flowed from its moon Io. These cannot yet be
explained by astronomers. A reader suggests that ... , p. 11,
BBC2 Horizon 2.4 .98 In Greece researchers have used the
technique of thermoluminescence to redate two small Greek
pyramids in the Peloponnese from 400 BC____, determined by
associated artefacts, back to the third millennium BC____, at
the supposed time of the Egyptian pyramids! There is even a 500
year gap between the
>3rd- Ursa) Shamir [Journals] [SIS Review]
... , and the star of your god and which you fashioned
yourselves (cf. Dwardu Cardona, Kronos IX:3 , p. 26). Cardona
identified Chiun with Saturn. According to Amos the Israelites
made the image of god and we have already established that the
Commandments had been written with the aid of shamir, an
instrument of ... . In Egypt, Ursa Major was regarded as the
severed thigh of a bull (dismembered by Set) revolving around
the north pole (in the third and second millennia BC____). In
Siberia, the Khirgiz regarded the 7 stars as 7 watchmen guarding
the smaller constellation of Ursa Minor from a wolf. If the wolf
had the temerity
2700 stability) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... 1980, p. 151-4 Saturn's Braided F-ring'These two reports,
complete with diagrams, tell of the theoretical work being done
in explanation of the bizarre shaped F-ring of Saturn, which has
a "braided" appearance. S. F. Dermott of Cornell University,
writing for NATURE suggests that the ring is produced by
resonance effects with ... , pp. 249-51 Wilson's Pyramidology
Built on Sand Ian Johnson has sent us copies of Edgar Wilson's
article "Evidence for the Stability of the Solar System Since
c.2700 BC____" and his refutation of the same, which, because of
its length, we are unable to print in full. Wilson's evidence is
a rather colourful analysis of
2500 Stonehenge) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... Anatolia. (Dwardu Cardona has pointed out that a common
entry in Babylonian astrological reports was when Shamash stands
in the halo of Sin', but for Cardona Shamash is Saturn. Is Sin
even the Moon? As depicted the crescent lies on its back,
looking more like the Minoan depiction of bull horns.) Mayan
creation The Independent ... the advantage of being able to
interpret the meaning of ancient inscriptions, such as the
circles, zigzags and spirals. At Stonehenge itself the **** of 4
bluestones around 2500 BC____ indicated a change from Moon
worship to Sun worship. The mystery of the Long Man of
Wilmington, a massive figure carved into the chalk hillside of
southern England,
2500 Maya) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... new satellites have been found among Saturn's rings. Further
observations may help to back up the theory that the ring system
is a recent addition to the Solar System. On Saturn itself
massive convective storms of ammonia erupt in the northern
hemisphere during the Saturnian summer but so far there is no
explanation. Time for a rethink?Time 6. ... Magazine Nov/Dec
1994, p. 9 A Mayan site at Colha was one of the largest stone
tool making centres in the New World. Production lasted from 300
BC____ to 900 AD, when the lowland Maya civilization collapsed.
Now an even earlier farming culture has been found beneath this
site. Radiocarbon dating places this at 2500 BC____
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>>2500 comet) Velikovsky and the Decline of Medieval Cosmology
[Articles]
... thing that modern astronomers have indulged in is trying to
explain what periodicities these were, and what they look for is
commensurabilities between planets, that is you've got Jupiter
and Saturn going round and at some time they will line up in the
sky, you see a conjunction, and then it happens again many
centuries later and such an alignment ... ever since, and
astronomers have for a long time been accustomed to thinking
that it's turning into an Apollo asteroid, getting fainter. Now
the really interesting thing about Encke's Comet and Hephaistos
is that they've got the same orbit, very nearly, they've got the
same size orbit, one of them is moving out there like that and
the other one is moving out there like that, but otherwise the
characteristics of the orbits are extremely similar, and it's
very difficult to avoid the conclusion that in fact one broke
off from the other. It's not well known, but an American
astronomer called Whipple decided long ago that Encke's Comet
was there because it was a fragment of a break-up of a comet not
so long ago, in fact he calculated that there was a comet in
Earth-crossing orbit that broke up round about two and a half
thousand BC____. He calculated that from Encke's Comet and the
meteor stream that is also visible and known to astronomers.
Perhaps I had better also just mention that. It's called the
b-Taurid meteor stream. Meteors are another astronomical thing
related to shooting stars. When one looks in the sky one sees on
occasion lots of flashes which are in fact little lumps of dust
coming in from outside the Solar System. We know that these
streams arise at particular times in the year due to the fact
that as the Earth orbits, it cuts across these meteor streams
which almost certainly are the vestiges of past comets. The
b-Taurid meteor stream is rather a conspicuous one and has
proved extremely conspicuous within the last ten years as a
result of the Apollo shots of the Moon. You may or may not know
that
>>2500 flip) Thoth Vol I, No. 3: February 18, 1997 [Journals]
[Thoth]
... : EDITORIAL SECTION...........................Michael
Armstrong SATURN THEORY, OVERVIEW (3 ). .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..
.. .. David Talbott AGE LIMITS ... spinning top, and showed that
the observations indicated that the axis of the earth was
stabilizing in a new position after the entire earth had turned
over about 2,500 BC____ (or whatever his particular dating of
the Flood was). I also have to admit that I have not yet checked
out the mathematical accuracy of a paper sent
2500- Sun glyphs) Suns and Planets in Neolithic Rock Art
[Journals] [Aeon]
... pp. 67-70; "The Birth of Athena," AEON II:3 (1990), pp.
25-28. 68. See here D. Talbott, The Saturn Myth (New York,
1980); D. Cardona, "Intimations of an Alien Sky," AEON II:5
(1991), pp. 5-34 ... these petroglyphs Anati writes: "The most
ancient Valley carvings dealing with sun worship belong to the
end of the Stone Age, to the second half of the third millennium
BC____. At that period the sun is drawn as an isolated disc;
seldom is it accompanied by a person with hands upraised in an
attitude of prayer, or by
>2450 pyramid) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... the possibility of anonymous referees settling old scores
or burying rival research. ASTRONOMY Dusty comings and goings
New Scientist 20.5 .95, p. 30, 9.9 .95, p. 5 and Science
Frontiers No 98, Mar-Apr 95, p. 1 One researcher has presented
evidence that the Earth passed through an interstellar dust
cloud only 2000 to 8000 years ago. The cloud is thought to have
been shot into space about 250,000 years ago by a supernova and
would have caused climate changes and a change in the flux of
cosmic rays impinging on Earth. Meanwhile there is still plenty
of dust around in the Solar System but not always where
expected. Spacecraft Galileo, on route to Jupiter, found very
little in the asteroid belt but has now encountered a gigantic
dust storm near Jupiter. The unlikelihood of the rings of Saturn
being as old or as stable as their planet leads to the
suggestion that they come and go over the short term. What could
replenish the ring material? Passing ... No. 4,Aug. 95, pp.
161-164 A summary of the characteristics of the Great Pyramid
which can be used for dating purposes follows the dating of 2450
BC____ +/ - 60 years as derived from Bauval and Gilbert's book
The Orion Mystery. The analysis relies on the prior assumption
that the true' date must be around
>>2309 Eg.calamity) Society News [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... the mythical world mountain. Astronomers are at present very
interested in the object Chiron, a cross between a comet and an
asteroid, which is in a chaotic orbit beyond Saturn. Estimates
are that it will come sufficiently far in to the Solar System
within the next 50,000 years to do very nasty things. It already
produces a ... through this, to evaluate the traditions
themselves. For example, Manetho's tale of a great calamity in
the reign of Semempses of Egypt's first dynasty could be dated
at 2309 BC____. This not only tied in with Chinese stories of
catastrophe in that year, but biblical reckoning back in time
from the elevation of Joseph to power also gave a
>>2300 Venus) Abraham and Phallicism [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
_From: SIS Chronology and Catastrophism Workshop 1988 No 2 (Jan
1989) Home | Issue Contents Abraham and Phallicism by George R.
Harvey
_Two seemingly unrelated events occurred during the biblical
Abraham's lifetime which were strictly phallic in nature: the
first Scriptural recording of the religious practice of
circumcision and the drama at Sodom concerning a male homosexual
act. Proponents of Dr Immanuel Velikovsky's theory of an upset
Solar System give many instances of religious ceremonies which
can easily be explained as the attempt by a terrified people to
appease the gods or angels by imitating or otherwise relating to
the astronomical phenomena they witnessed [1 ]. I wish to
propose a similar explanation for the two phallic events. These
may have been two different, already old, ways of trying to
relate to the heavens after Saturn's loss of the column which
appeared to have reached from Earth to Saturn. The heavens
needed to be assuaged in Abraham's day because of the obvious
danger from above which was to culminate in Sodom's destruction.
I lean towards the arguments of those who believe Venus was the
agent of Sodom's destruction and the source of the sulphur which
rained from heaven.
_Background. There are myths which have the phallus as part of
the drama. In an Egyptian story [2 ], Osiris, identified as
Saturn [3 ], was torn into fourteen pieces by the avenging Seth
who dropped the pieces into the Nile. Mournful Isis, Osiris's
sister-wife, identified variously as Jupiter [4 ] or Venus [5 ],
hunted for the parts and reconstructed Osiris from them, except
for his **** which could never be found: it had been eaten by
three species of fish; the Lepidotus, the Phagrus, and the
Oxyrynchus. Fish of the latter type were frequently mummified
and their likeness used in Egyptian sculptured decorations. The
priestesses of Isis were obliged to carry models of the genital
organ in all their ensuing ceremonies. Isis caused a magnificent
temple to be built to Osiris wherever a piece of his body had
been located. There is a myth that Kronos castrated his father,
Uranus. Cardona's assertion that Uranus was Kronos, [6] would
mean that Kronos castrated himself. Tresman & O'Gheoghan write
that Shiva cut off his own phallus and that this was probably
associated with the worldwide worship of the phallus during the
time of Jupiter's dominance [7 ]. Cardona quotes from a
Phoenician myth: ". .. on the occurrence of a pestilence and
mortality Kronos offers his only begotten son as a whole burnt
offering to his father Uranus, and circumcises himself,
compelling all his allies to do the same." [8 ] Perhaps all of
these stories are different descriptions of one cosmic event.
Many advocates of the theory of an upset Solar System argue that
the generally accepted scenario should be simplified, and they
agree considerably on details. One such proponent is David
Talbott. The aspect of his work which relates to my thesis
concerns the stories encountered throughout the world of a
shining peak or column which once rose from Earth to the centre
of heaven [9]. Talbott considers that this phenomenon, which
occurred during the time Saturn dominated the world, was a
visible light stream which somehow appeared to reach between
Earth and Saturn. He would have the column at different times as
the holy mountain (Zion and Olympus are the most familiar
examples), Atlas (supporter of the sky vault), the masculine
serpent, the great wind or breath, the cosmic river, the
one-legged giant's leg, the great mooring post, and Saturn's
phallus [10]. Talbott asserts that the latter was so identified
by the ancients not only from its shape but also for its
association with the cosmic womb which surrounded Saturn. He and
Cochrane believe that during the time of Saturn's supremacy this
womb-ring was the planet Venus with a trailing plume which
appeared to be in orbit around Saturn. They would have
Isis/Venus as the wife-mother of Osiris/Saturn [11]. Velikovsky
believed that Saturn dominated the world during its golden age
[12]. ____Saturn would have exploded as a nova at the time of
Noah, thus causing the Flood, and was no longer paramount. Much
of the material of the diminished Saturn was gathered up by
Jupiter which increased its mass and would have been the
dominating heavenly body at the time of Abraham. There is,
however, considerable disagreement as to which planet might have
been the agent of destruction in Abraham's day. I favour Venus
for the following reasons: 1. Newgrosh has presented strong
evidence for Venus having been celestially active and probably
destructive to Earth at c.2300 BC____, i.e ., at an earlier date
[13] 2. The priestesses of Isis were associated with the phallus
of Osiris 3. Talbott and Cochrane are convincing that Isis, the
mother-wife of Osiris/Saturn, is Venus. Jupiter, which seems to
have been the dominant celestial body of the time, was probably
benign and did not threaten the Earth. Newgrosh related that the
sulphur [in the Sodom story] may have come from Venus since it
has a high concentration of sulphuric acid in its atmosphere
[14]. Scripture first mentions circumcision when, on a single
day, this act was performed on Abraham and all the males of his
house, as a covenant with God [Genesis 17]. However, it is
generally agreed that its practice was begun before Abraham. Its
purpose is unknown, with theories ranging from sanitation to a
blood sacrifice substitute. It is certainly not an operation
which would be performed casually on adults because of the pain
and the risk of haemorrhage and infection. An Egyptian act of
circumcision is portrayed pictorially and with an accompanying
text in a 6th Dynasty tomb relief [15]. The text identifies the
operator as a funerary priest', which would suggest the
religious significance of the act. Most chronologies place
Abraham well after the 6th Dynasty, an order which indicates
that Abraham might have learned about circumcision from the
Egyptians. Legend records that Sodom's destruction took place on
the third day following Abraham's circumcision [16], and this
would surely indicate a relationship between circumcision and
Sodom's demise, as both Cardona and Newgrosh point out.
Circumcision is one religious, phallic practice which has
survived until today, but there is at least one other. Models of
the sacred lingam of one of the Hindu trinity, Siva, receive
tribute in temples [17]. The Lingayat members of the Saiva Hindu
sect wear the symbol [18]. Millions of Hindus associate the
cobra with the sacred lingam, and worship it in the hope of
fertility [19].
_The Drama of Abraham and Lot
_The very number of stories about Saturn's lost **** seems to
indicate that Saturn had a pronounced projection which
disappeared. The one of huge dimension described by Talbott
seems reasonable. Circumcision would have been a means whereby
mankind could relate to Saturn after its regrettable
deprivation, since it involved the most closely related act
which could be inflicted on all the males of a society in order
to imitate Saturn's condition, and thus show sympathy and
reverence. A related purpose might have consisted of showing
sympathy to Venus for its mate's loss, especially if Venus was
the agent of destruction. Without any explanation of why it
occurred at that particular juncture, the Scripture relates that
Abraham initiated circumcision on his household males in a
single day as a covenant with God and, because of what it
reported next, it would seem that the reason for the act was the
impending danger from the sky. There is no intimation of a
connection between the two passages, but immediately after
>>2300 Inanna) Forum [Journals] [SIS Review]
... fit. But 171 years is 80.08 synodic periods of Mars, over 60
degrees out of phase. 4). The synodic periods of Mercury, Venus
and Saturn are all better divisors of a 684 year period than
that of Mars, in that after that period all three planets will,
on average, be closer to their
... cometary and catastrophist attributes both in earlier and
later periods. In 1985 in an article on Enheduanna's hymn'
(dated to the reign of Naram-Sin, conventionally c.2300 BC____)
I cited Inanna's astral and yet terrestrial aspects and argued
the case, independently of anything Velikovsky had written, for
____Enheduanna having witnessed a catastrophe caused by the
deity Inanna. Much has been written about the paradoxical nature
of the goddess in mythology. She can be the deity of both love
and war, of beauty and destruction. To which I can add (of the
goddess Inanna) she can be both astral and yet terrestrial,
cometary and yet (in the same era) the Evening and Morning Star.
Is there any way of understanding these paradoxical features? Is
it possible, for instance, for a comet like Encke to have
tangled with the planet Venus (then on a stable orbit like at
present) thus giving the impression that the Morning/Evening
Star had a cometary tail or beard? Is this possible on the Clube
and Napier hypothesis? The comet could have detached from the
planet and headed Earthwards at some time but just how would
ancient man have viewed this situation? Would he have made the
distinction between the predictable planet and the errant comet,
or not?
>>2300 meteors) The Ring About The Earth at 2300 BC____
[Journals] [SIS Review]
From: SIS Chronology & Catastrophism Review 2001:2 (Jan 2002)
Home | Issue Contents The Ring About The Earth at 2300 BC____
Moe Mandelkehr Summary As postulated in earlier papers, dust in
the Earth's North Polar region at 2300 BC____ initiated
widespread geophysical changes. The dust was a result of the
Earth encountering a massive meteoroid stream
... of ring formation, I could spend a lot more time on schemes
that won't work than anything that will. Four planets in the
Solar System - the outer planets, Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune and
Uranus - have rings, although the rings differ in orientation,
configuration and composition. There is general agreement that
the formation of the rings ...
>2300 Draco) The Reflective Canopy Model and the
Mytho-historical Record [Journals] [Aeon]
... the present Saturnian one(s ). And this, of course, is in
keeping with presently-known mechanics as they pertain to tidal
forces. The rings around the planets Saturn, Jupiter, and
Ur-anus are prime examples of this force. And, in fact, this can
also be demonstrated by the recently discovered toroidal dust
belt that appears ... ." (55) The same name was additionally
applied to two stars in the constellation Draco (56) and, since
Draco had been the polar constellation around 2300 BC____., some
authorities have assumed that this proves that Chinese
observational astronomy dates to at least that remote time. Be
that as it may, the term "pivot
>>2300 climate) SIS Silver Jubilee Conference: Abstracts
[Journals] [SIS Internet Digest]
... . Moreover, unlike your classic long period comet, because
of their proximity and energy, these plasmoids may not be
totally benign. Lynn E. Rose: Sirius and Saturn A more careful
reading of the Canopus Decree enables us to retrocalculate
Sothic dates much more precisely than ever before. Middle
Kingdom lunar documents fail to fit in the second ... argued by
the geologist/oceanographer team Ryan and Pitman. The massive
upheavals and climate change which destroyed the Early Bronze
Age civilizations of the Near East (c. 2300 BC____ conventional
dating), Mainstream archaeology has now accepted this event,
though it yet has to embrace an exoterrestrial cause, such as
the cometary debris model long argued by
2300 Akkad) Society News [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... Talbott for producing what he considered the best
mythological consideration so far of the Polar Divinity, and
then to bury him for his planetary explanation, now widely known
as The Saturn Scenario'. This he proceeded to do in a most
constructive way, by presenting us with an alternative scenario,
copiously illustrated with slides and a superb model of ...
theory were correct then not only should it be supported by
pottery sequences but all other technologies as well. He had
recently assessed the pottery records for Akkad, supposedly 2300
BC____, the Hyksos, supposedly 1600 BC____ and the Assyrians,
supposedly 800 BC____. The latter had no pottery record and the
former two were identical, as well as
>2300 Jericho) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... Wilson followed this idea up, using computers and new
mathematical techniques, he discovered that over very long time
scales regularity became chaos. When the perturbing influences
of Jupiter and Saturn were taken into account, what had been
regular asteroid orbits in the "Kirkwood gaps" became
increasingly eccentric. The asteroids now began to cross the
orbits of Mars ... desert (Anati envisages several centuries) or
the 969 years of Methuselah's life. He notes archaeological
evidence for walled cities at Ai and Jericho, destroyed in the
23rd century BC____. Despite this, there are enormous
chronological difficulties in accepting this third millennium
BC____ site as that of the Exodus Lawgiving. Clearly, Anati has
discovered a major cultic
>>2300 flip) The Celestial Dynamics of "Worlds in Collision"
[Journals] [SIS Review]
... . There are reasons for believing that the solar system is
close to a resonance, and all satellite systems that have been
observed - for instance, those of Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus -
are also resonant systems. Orbitally unstable: This means that a
slight change in the initial conditions can produce a large
change as time devolves. Let ... , which most people would think
would be valid for thousands of years. His interpretation of his
data indicated that the Earth is recovering from being turned
upside down around 2300 BC____. I haven't studied this enough to
know what significance to place on these ancient observations or
on the accuracy of his interpretation of the data, but I am
impressed
2300 Ebla) Focus [Journals] [SIS Review]
... From the End of the Eighteenth Dynasty to the Time of Ramses
II', closing the gap; CARDONA: " 'Let There Be Light'" with more
on Saturn as primary and as nova; GREENBERG & SIZEMORE:
"Jerusalem - city of Venus", with massed evidence for the site
of the city as an ancient astral ... . A link has now been
discovered between Ebla and Egypt. A cartouche was found
belonging to Pepi I, a pharaoh of the Sixth Dynasty, dated to
about 2300 BC____. This confirms the date assigned to the Ebla
civilisation, which is the period 2400 BC____ - 2250 BC____. The
total of cuneiform tablets so far discovered at the
>>2200 colder) Monitor [Journals] [SIS Review]
... form. Jupiter's moon Io seems to have suffered a volcanic
eruption between March 1994 and July 1995, as it now shows a
huge yellow spot around a known volcano. Saturn New Scientist
21.10.95, p. 20, Newcastle Herald (Aus) November 1995 Recent
observations of Saturn's rings have shown that some moons have
disappeared ... Europe 500 years ago, may have been the most
recent. An archaeologist has related one of these colder more
arid phases to the end of the Akkadian empire around 2200 BC____
when, he suggests, refugees from drought-stricken northern
Mesopotamia swamped the civilisation further south. Societies
from Greece to Pakistan collapsed at the same time and the
effects were probably
>>2130- Aries) Planet of the Greeks by Meres J. Weche (Book
Review). C&C Review 2002:1 [Journals] [SIS Review]
... section describes in detail the Heliopolitan (Khemet)
Cosmology+ Cosmogony as the very first creation account. The 5
epagominal days are connected to the 5 planets: Jupiter, Saturn,
Mars, Mercury, Venus; the last two bringing catastrophes. Narmer
is stated to be the 1st pharaoh of unified Egypt, 250 years
before the 1st Dynasty ... labours = the Zodiac. The precession
of the equinoxes giving a constellation every 2160 years was
interrupted by a catastrophe. Weche gives his version of
zodiacal ages: Aries 2130-1559 BC____; Leo to 1135; Taurus to
776 with an extension to 612. Egyptian animal worship was part
of a priestly mystery system, concealing profound knowledge of
precession.
>1953 conj.) The Cosmic String of Pearls [Journals] [Aeon]
... .Using computers to back - compute the planetary orbits,
Pang and colleagues settled on a date in late February 1953
BC____ when Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn came within
only five degrees of one another (close enough that they could
be blocked out by a thumb held at arm's length)." [50] It ...
were strung together like a string of beads
1593 spring) The "drift" Mystery Cleared Part 3 Ch.VII (The
Mysterious Comet) [Books]
... the commonweal of the remainder. I have often believed that
this philosophy lay behind the custom of the ancients to offer
human sacrifices, in the belief that the deity, Saturn or Baal,
or other such gods, required to be propitiated with human lives.
The greatest epoch of such an encounter with a celestial body
which we possess traces ... the Spring Equinox, Measurer of
Time, has moved through 48 to 49 points since the day it was in
Alpha Ceti, a calculation points to a period between 1593 BC____
to 1522 BC____. The period is confirmed in other directions.
Tradition says the world was destroyed in the month Daesius
(May), when the sun rose in
1500 vol.) Abbreviations, Glossary and Bibliography [Books] [de
Grazia books]
... afterglows. Age of Jovea is the period following the Deluge
(about 5700 BP) to the time of Mercury's encounter with the
Earth circa 4400 years ago. Age of Saturn brackets the period
eight thousand to fifty-eight hundred years before present. Age
of Urania is the first age of the Quantavolutionary Period,
assigned to run from 14000 to 11000 ... in it. Plinian eruption
is the most violent volcanic eruption known. It is of almost
incomprehensible violence such as the eruptions of Stronghyle
(believed to have occurred in 1500 BC____), of Vesuvius (in AD
79) and of Krakatoa in 1883. polymorphs are organisms which
during their life cycle undergo a transition (metamorphosis)
between forms
800- Vel.) The River of Ocean [Journals] [SIS Review]
... . Who, or what, did this entity represent? Circular serpent
motif on the interior of a food basin from Sikyatki in the
South-western United States. Reproduced from The Saturn Myth
[26] with the kind permission of David N. Talbott The
water-enclosing serpent from the Codex Cortesianus
(illustration: D. Cardona) 3. The Encircling ... of the planets
visible to the naked eye must have been involved. This is not
what Velikovsky portrayed as having taken place during the
catastrophes of the 8th and 7th centuries BC____. Furthermore,
nothing is said in the original about the bright snake gaping in
the heaven above'. The line in question, from the Voluspa,
simply has
687 Vel.) Trisms and Planetary Iconography [Journals]
[Velikovskian]
... on the Saturnian polar configuration will recall how he
identified a form that I call a trism as the shape formed by the
intersection of the polar mountain and the enclosure of Saturn.
(5 ) For certain artistic representations, I will accept
Talbott's identification; for others, I will use my own. The
following examples illustrate the trism: ... (1994) Home | Issue
Contents Trisms and Planetary Iconography (1 ) Charles Raspil
According to Velikovsky, a long period of planetary chaos ended
with stabilizing finality in 687 BC____. (2 ) Concentrating on
celestial events occurring after that date, I have been finding
iconographic and literary evidence that periods of sporadic
planetary instability may have characterized the
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>The Opening Of The Mouth Ritual - Part I [Journals] [Aeon]
... ," says A.R . David. [37] "The last day of the funeral,
everything changed when those who surrounded the great voyager'
on his ____departure towards the Life of Eternity placed the
mummy in its final anthropoid coffin before the entrance to the
tomb. "Then began the ceremonies of the Opening of the Mouth
... , for I am Horus; I have struck your mouth for you, for I am
your beloved son; I have split open your mouth for you."
(____Pyramid Texts, Utterance 20) [2 ] Introduction "the
mouth-sign... used to write the word for mouth... very few words
are actually written
>The Great Father [Books]
... great of terror." (13) The memory of this solitary light god
and creator was as old as the most ancient Egyptian ritual. His
appearance - and eventual ____departure - shaped every aspect of
the Egyptian world view. So also in Mesopotamia, about which
Stephen Langdon raises the question of archaic monotheism. After
prolonged study of Semitic
... many names was Atum, a god "born in the Abyss before the sky
existed, before the earth existed." (2 ) These are the words of
the ____Pyramid Texts, perhaps the world's oldest religious
hymns, but the texts of all periods look back to the same
primordial time when Atum shone forth alone. "I came
>The Milky Way [Journals] [Aeon]
... . II (N .Y ., 1969), pp. 91 ff. 174. The planet Venus also
played a prominent role in the ancient myth of the ____departure
of the sun-god's "soul" as we have documented elsewhere. See E.
Cochrane, "On Comets and Kings," Aeon 2:1 (1989) ... souls" is
the widespread belief in a Celestial River across which the dead
(or their souls) must cross to reach heaven. Such a belief is
well-attested in the ____Pyramid Texts, where the celestial
river was known as the Winding Waterway. A typical passage from
these most ancient of written texts is as follows: "You have
traveled
>(Jupiter) Mother Goddess and Warrior-Hero (Part One) [Journals]
[Aeon]
... the gods involves nothing other than changes in the relative
positions of the participating bodies. Whether it is Saturn's
exile from the celestial kingdom, the birth of Jupiter, the
____departure of the Venus-Eye, the binding of Saturn and/or
Jupiter by Venus, the birth of Mars, the ascent of the warrior
hero to the dwelling of the
... with superimposed crescent . Thus, while the pillar was
conceived as a masculine power, a heaven-reaching phallus, the
band was the womb of cosmic genesis. Accordingly, the
____Pyramid Texts assert that the chaotic, unorganized waters
brought forth by Atum were given form by the "phallus of Shu"
and the "womb of Tefnut." (
>The Mythical History of the Comet Venus (Part I) [Journals]
[Aeon]
... [soul] of Ra," proclaims the Book of the Dead.(78) What is
indisputable in the Bennu myth is that this soul-bird,
subsequent to its ____departure from the sun god, rose as the
Morning Star.(79) In the Book of the Dead, for example, the
deceased prays that "I may
... the eye and heart of the sun god not only meant the same
thing: they signified, in the most concrete sense, a central,
animating light. In the ____Pyramid Texts the soul of the
god-king is proclaimed a "living star,"(35) and the texts equate
this visible soul with the Eye. When they declare
>Ladder to Heaven [Journals] [Aeon]
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1. The Ladder-to-Heaven ... The Chain of Arrows ... The World
Tree ... The Separation of Heaven and Earth ... Creation ...
2. Mars and the Ladder to Heaven ... Nergal ... Tales from the
Watunna ... Waijungare ... The Ladder to the Sun
... One hymn recalls the occasion “when the sky was separated
from the earth, when the gods ascended to heaven.”70 This
memorable event, in turn, was a hallmark of _Creation. ...
Creation and was associated with a great cataclysm shaking the
universe.71 The sacred literature of ancient India likewise
recalls a time when heaven and earth were joined. Thus, the
Aitareya Brahmana reports that Dyaus and Prithivi, “originally
one, were afterwards separated.”72
70 1208 C as quoted in R. Faulkner, The Ancient Egyptian
____Pyramid Texts (Oxford, 1969),
p. 192. See also the discussion in C. Eyre, The Cannibal Hymn
(Liverpool, 2002), pp.
76-77.
71 J. Allen, “The Cosmology of the ____Pyramid Texts,” in J.
Allen et al eds., Religion and
Philosophy in Ancient Egypt (New Haven, 1989), p. 13.
72 IV. 4. 27 as quoted by R. Pettazoni, op. cit., p. 154.
... “The Grand Origin Myth described by de Santillana and von
Dechend exists in many local versions, of course, but all share
the following essential points: (a) a concept of a time before
heaven and earth were separated, when men and gods communicated
without hindrance; (b) an axis mundi—described variously as a
mountain, a tree, or an axle — associated with streams or a
whirl-pool draining and recirculating the waters; (c) an account
of the destructive drawing apart of heaven and earth, usually
associated with (d) the breaking of communication between gods
and men, expressed in an expulsion myth. The same cosmic
separation produces (e) a catastrophic, world-engulfing flood,
finally conquered by a hero who renders the earth fit for
renewed habitation, opening the era of human history.”84
84 J. Major, “Myth and Origins of Chinese Science,” Journal of
Chinese Philosophy 5 (1978), p. 3.
(heart) Morning Star* [Journals] [Aeon]
... fact, Talbott has already indicated that, at least in Egypt,
Mars was viewed as the heart of the heart. (149) That being the
case, the ____departure of Quetzalcoatl's heart could just as
easily be seen as the dropping of the Martian orb from its
previous Saturnian/Venerian center. Like Venus, Mars did not
____depart ... , it is said that "the morning stars sang
together." (50) So, similarly, among the ancient Egyptians. As
we find it written in the ____Pyramid Texts, the "morning stars"
are lauded as coming to the deceased pharaoh with rejoicing.
(51) THE HEART OF QUETZALCOATL The traditions of the
Mesoamericans,
Indra: A Case Study in Comparative Mythology [Journals] [Aeon]
... by numerous scholars before. (3 ) It was the attempt to
trace the traditions of Heracles and Gilgamesh to ancient
conceptions associated with the planet Mars that represented a
radical ____departure from the norm in mythological analysis. In
short, the thesis was put forward that the mythology of the
world's great heroes commemorated- at least in part- the
... ) If the vast majority of Indra's deeds can be found in the
Veda, it is not always a simple matter to interpret their
original significance. Not unlike the Egyptian ____Pyramid
Texts, the Vedic hymns generally present only the barest
outlines of a particular myth, the details of the myth,
presumably, being thoroughly familiar to the audience.
Chapter 7-9 (Hamlet's Mill)
... copper, In his vessel made of copper, Sailed away to loftier
regions, To the land beneath the heavens. Actually, there are
more runes which tell of Vainamoinen's ____departure, as we
learn from Haavio. He plunges to the depths of the sea; to the
lowest sea to the lowest bowels of the earth to the lowest
regions
... we meet attempts at interpretation." This last sentence goes
for every ancient text, not only for the names contained
therein: there is no end of commentaries on the ____Pyramid
Texts, the Coffin Texts and the Book of the Dead [n8 See, for
example, G. Roeder, Urkunden zur Religion des Alten Aegypten
(1915)
(eye) The Birth of Athena [Journals] [Aeon]
... mistress of all the gods, the daughter of Re, who came forth
from his body." (97) Most significant, perhaps, is the tradition
that the ____departure of the Eye-goddess signalled disaster for
the sun-god and his celestial kingdom. This tradition is the
basis for numerous passages in the ____Pyramid and Coffin Texts,
where the ____departure
... "Contributions to the Interpretation of the Veda," American
Journal of Philology 17:4 (1896), pp. 399-408. 135.
S. Mercer, The ____Pyramid Texts (New York, 1952), Vol. 2, p.
52. 136. In J. Frazer, The New Golden Bough (New York,
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Forum [Journals] [SIS Review]
_From: SIS Chronology & Catastrophism Review 1993 (Vol XV) Home
| Issue Contents Forum
_Comet Catastrophes and the the Interpretation of Myth - a
response from David Salkeld Pages 35-44 of Review XIV (1992)
present a challenge' (posed by the Editor and four responses to
it) on the entwined issues of the agents responsible for
cometary catastrophes and their identification in the corpus of
myth. The central problem arises from Clube and Napier's books
and is summarised by Bernard thus: "If ... the real agent of
catastrophe was the comet Encke - and Venus was on a stable
orbit as at present - how does one reconcile the myths
(indicating a cometary and catastrophic Venus') with the
postulated agent? In The Cosmic Serpent, Clube and Napier solved
this problem by reference to certain commensurabilities' between
the orbits of Encke and Venus (and Halley and Mars). I was
highly critical of the commensurabilities' concept in my 1983
review but I note that the idea has since been cited favourably
by Prof Emilio Spedicato. Perhaps the concept needs to be looked
into in more detail. On the other hand, Clube and Napier's other
explanation, namely that the properties of the catastrophic
cometary goddess only became attached to the planet Venus at
some late date in history, was demolished by me in 1983. I
demonstrated by reference to depictions on Mesopotamian seals
and inscriptions a). Venus as a star from the earliest times,
b). the Venus goddess Ishtar (= Inanna) as the Morning and
Evening Star from at least the Isin-Larsa period, yet c).
Ishtar/Inanna also had cometary and catastrophist attributes
both in earlier and later periods. In 1985 in an article on
____Enheduanna's hymn' (dated to the reign of Naram-Sin,
conventionally c.2300 BC) I cited Inanna's astral and yet
terrestrial aspects and argued the case, independently of
anything Velikovsky had written, for ____Enheduanna having
witnessed a catastrophe caused by the deity Inanna. Much has
been written about the paradoxical nature of the goddess in
mythology. She can be the deity of both love and war, of beauty
and destruction. To which I can add (of the goddess Inanna) she
can be both astral and yet terrestrial, cometary and yet (in the
same era) the Evening and Morning Star. Is there any way of
understanding these paradoxical features? Is it possible, for
instance, for a comet like Encke to have tangled with the planet
Venus (then on a stable orbit like at present) thus giving the
impression that the Morning/Evening Star had a
... cosmology of Clube and Napier with the mythology of
Velikovsky - but before I do so let us see what other
alternatives remain for the committed follower of Velikovsky. 1.
Postulate there having been different conditions in the Solar
System which have enabled the circularisation of orbits
(especially that of Venus), e.g., as in the Forshufvud thesis;
2. Advocate electromagnetic and/or electrostatic and/or
discharge effects to explain the circularisation of orbits,
e.g., as in the Crew thesis; 3. Indicate the relative
circularisation of former large comets like
Schwassmann-Wachmann-1 and (more recently discovered) Chiron by
mechanisms unknown. This circularisation is a fact despite our
inability to confirm it by retrocalculation of orbits. Postulate
that what can be done (in the last <200,000 years) for Chiron
can be done on a larger scale for Venus. Chiron, as I noted in
1991, gives the clearest possible indication that the recent
past history of the Solar System may well have been
catastrophic. Its recent erratic past fits Clube and Napier's
thesis perfectly: indeed it solves the dynamic problems
associated with comet Encke's past orbits. The unusually large
comet which Clube and Napier (1982) postulated as the source of
the disruption to the inner Solar System, and which I unwisely
criticised (1983) as being not founded in fact, would now appear
to have been found in Chiron. The other remains of the large
comet can be found in comet Encke, the Taurid meteor stream and
some 50-100 Earth-crossing asteroids. Whereas Clube and Napier
have indicated in The Cosmic Winter some relatively minor
events' which might have been caused by Earth's encounters with
the Taurids, the reader is left to deduce that the more
significant events' (the Deluge, the Exodus) were caused, in
their thesis, by comet Encke crossing the Earth. There is,
therefore, an immediate problem for anyone who would create a
modern synthesis for, according to the myths interpreted by
Velikovsky, the early significant events' (e.g. the Exodus) were
caused by Venus deities, goddesses strongly associated with the
planet Venus. These goddesses often also bore cometary
attributes, thus his conclusion that Venus was once a comet.
..............................
Forum [Journals] [SIS Review]
... lessening the risk of science exploring blind alleys in
ignorance of the human record, while helping upgrade the art of
myth interpretation to the status of a moderately reliable
discipline. I think that to expect more than this would be to
indulge in the illusions of wishful thinking.
_References
1. B. Newgrosh: Comet catastrophes: a new synthesis', C & C
Review XIV (1992), p. 36
2. I. Velikovsky: Worlds in Collision, Preface
3. D. Stove: Velikovsky in Collision', Quadrant (Sydney, Oct-Nov
1964): reproduced in Kronos VI:3 , pp. 18-33
.4. C. Leroy Ellenberger: in Focus' of SIS Review III:2 , p. 29
5. S. V. M. Clube & W. M. Napier: The Cosmic Winter, pp. 153-4
6. Ibid: pp. 152-3
7. D. Hughes: Where Planets Boldly Grow', New Scientist
12.12.92, pp. 29-33
_Inanna, the Venus-star further comments from Ev Cochrane:
Although there is much I could take issue with in the recent
Forum contribution by Moe Mandelkehr [1 ], I will direct my
remarks to the question of the identification of Ishtar/Inanna
with the planet Venus, as this cuts to the heart of the matter.
Mandelkehr writes: "Clube and Napier explained that
Inanna/Ishtar became associated with the planet Venus at a late
date in history... Clube and Napier did not invent the idea,
which is in the literature and appears to be well established"
[2 ]. Here I would like to know which literature is he referring
to. None is cited and I suspect that none exists. In any case,
it is quite wrong to state that the idea is well established'.
On the contrary, what is well established is that Inanna/Ishtar
was identified with the planet Venus very early on. Thus,
according to Wolfgang Heimpel: Inanna is identified with the
planet Venus in all historical periods. ' [3 ] Why do leading
Sumerologists like Heimpel, Kramer and Jacobsen accept the
planetary identification of Inanna/Ishtar? In the first place,
it is possible to show that celestial imagery pervades the cult
of the goddess. For example, countless kudurru (boundary stones)
from the ____mid-second millennium BC represent Ishtar as an
eight-pointed star [4 ]. The star of Ishtar, moreover, finds a
precise parallel in early clay tablets from Uruk IIIb, which
depict Inanna alongside an eight-pointed star [5 ]. No doubt
Mandelkehr would object that the tablets themselves provide no
indication that Venus is the subject of the star symbol ((e.g.,
the star could conceivably have reference to some other
celestial body). While this is true, one would be ill advised to
place much faith in such an argument. It can be shown, for
example, that Venus was also represented by the star symbol in
ancient Egypt and Mesoamerica [6 ]. Indeed, among various
cultures the word commonly used for Venus' also bore the
connotation star', as if Venus was the star par excellence. The
Maya called Venus Chac ek' (= Great Star') [7 ], the Polynesian
islanders had a similar name for Venus, Hokutoa' (= Great Star')
[8 ] and among the Yakuts of Siberia Venus was known simply as
Solbon' (= star') [9 ]. In short, the evidence from comparative
archaeoastronomy provides strong support for the conclusion that
Inanna's star was indeed the planet Venus. Other aspects of the
iconography surrounding Inanna/Ishtar also support her
identification with Venus. Very early on, for example, the
goddess appears alternately with beard, horns and armed as a
warrior, the very same characteristics associated with the
planet Venus in ancient Babylonian astronomical records [10].
Such correspondences suggest a continuity between the Babylonian
astronomical records involving Venus and the earliest cult of
Inanna/Ishtar. Like it or not, the traditions surrounding the
planet Venus remain remarkably consistent from the earliest
historical period to the dawn of astronomy. And throughout this
period glaring anomalies attend the iconographical and
mythological records surrounding the Cytherean planet,
particularly as manifested in the cults of Inanna/Ishtar. It is
to Velikovsky's everlasting credit that he was the first to
document these anomalies. Mandelkehr, apparently following Clube
and Napier, cannot bring himself to accept the ancient
traditions surrounding the planet Venus because to do so would
cast doubt upon certain basic assumptions of modern astronomy.
His reticence here is readily understood. So too is the attempt
to come up with an alternative explanation of said anomalies.
Mandelkehr's particular attempt to explain the traditions
surrounding the planet Venus, however, is patently absurd. It
would require us to believe that the Babylonian skywatchers -
the greatest astronomers of all antiquity - assigned the
mythological deeds of some hypothetical comet (Encke) to the
planet Venus at some point in the relatively recent past. Such a
hypothesis flies in the face of all we know about
archaeoastronomy and myth and would require us to believe that a
similar process operated amongst New World astronomers also!
_Notes and References
EGYPTIAN MEANINGS
Amun
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/amun.html
Athena
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/athena.html
Horn
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/horn.html
Horus
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/horus.html
Min
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/min-egyptian.html
Osiris
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/osiris.html
Owl
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/owl.html
Pegasus
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/pegasus.html
Thoth
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/thoth.html
HEBREW MEANINGS
David
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/david.html
Deuteronomy interlinear puns
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/texts/deuteronomy-interlinear.html
Goliath
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/goliath.html
Leviticus interlinear puns
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/texts/leviticus-interlinear.html
Noah interlinear puns
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/texts/noah-interlinear.html
Sepharad
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/sepharad.html
Tower of Babel
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/texts/tower-of-babel.html
Yahweh
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/names/yahweh.html
Prows with eyes on Phoenician ships
HTML http://ancient-spooks.de/symbols/prows-with-eyes.html
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(Still searching for clues of when the Saturn Configuration
broke up and the planets departed.)
>>Forum [Journals] [SIS Review]
... However dendrochronology has revealed a series of frost
signatures that dovetail nicely into the conventional lines of
cultural division. The dates are different but the divisions
perfectly match the Early, Middle and Late Bronze eras, which in
turn correspond to and accurately mirror the rise and fall of
dynasties in the ancient world. In Egypt the boundaries of the
____Predynastic, Old, Middle and New Kingdoms slide into place
quite remarkably. In China the Hsia, Shang, Chou and Han
dynasties slot in just as remarkably and the same is true of
Assyria and Babylonia. The Uruk phase corresponds to the Pre
Dynastic, ending in a terrible upheaval, followed by the Early
Dynastic period, Akkad, Amorite and Kassite periods. Frost
signatures are caused by dust veils and Chinese records suggest
heavy meteoric fluxes as the cause (though volcanic origin is
not out of the question). Frost signature episodes coincide with
cultural Intermediates and were followed by famine, plague and
tribal and refugee intrusions. Periodic episodes of chaos in the
natural world and an obsession with fertility and food resources
are a constant feature of religio-myth around the world. This
connection has already been made by Baillie [13] and James, a
former Glasgow chronologist [14]. The evidence points to a
series of natural disasters, not necessarily catastrophic but
certainly disruptive in nature, which appear to have had a
global dimension. Why has the New Chronology been sanitised,
wiped clean of catastrophes? Upheavals of nature can be located
fairly easily in the archaeological record, yet SIS articles
consistently fail to recognise this. The end of Early
Chalcolithic (late 5th millenium BC), end of Late Chalcolithic
(late 4th millenium BC), end of EB II, EB III, and EBIV-MBI (in
the 3rd millenium BC) in the Near East, are part of a cycle that
persisted. The end of MBIIA corresponds with the collapse of the
Middle Kingdom in Egypt and lesser events could account for
MBIIB-C anomalies, LBI, LBIIA (Amarna) and at least two very
marked incidents at the end of LBIIB, separated in Greece,
Cyprus and at Troy by about a single generation [15]. In
Egyptian terms this would roughly date from the late reign of
Ramesses II through to the end of dynasty XIX shortly before the
reign of Ramesses III. Baillie (op. cit.) has noted an anomaly
in 1159 - 1130 BC. In Biblical chronology the story of Ruth, set
during a terrible famine about four generations before David,
would perhaps coincide with the famine and low Nile levels of
the late reign of Ramesses III, which persisted into the reigns
of his successors and mark a dramatic shift in global climate
that was possibly created by ozone depletion [16]. To say there
is no evidence of natural disaster at the end of the LB age is
to ignore obvious facts. Anatolian and Canaanite cities were
burnt, wholly or partially, by devastating fires and hordes of
refugees were set in motion. These events are pictured
graphically by Ramesses III at Medinet Habu. He allowed refugees
to settle in what became known as Philistia, where they came
into conflict with peoples of the hill country. So much dust and
debris accumulated in the atmosphere that the northern
hemisphere climate changed. A very wet period was followed by a
long arid phase. Pastoral tribes migrated in search of pastures
when their marginal lands became dry and bare. A feature of mid
to late Dynasty XX was the encroachment on the Delta and Nile
valley by tribesmen from Libya and bedouin from the eastern
Highlands. Large tracts of lower Nubia were abandoned and upper
Nubia developed in isolation, emerging from the African interior
as the climate changed in the 9th and 8th centuries BC and
forming Dynasty XXV. In Syria-Palestine and the mid Euphrates
valley system the pastoral tribes took the generic name of the
Arameans. They overwhelmed the Assyrian empire and the former
Mitanni heartland on the Habur river and its tributaries and
threatened to spill into Cisjordan. They were the bane of Saul
and David and the Bible, I suggest, preserves a tradition that
belongs to a single specific period of history: early Iron Age.
This is defined by Dynasty XX on one hand and the reigns of
Tiglath Pileser I and Ashur bel Kala on the other. It is
reasonable to suppose that Judah was colonised from the northern
Negev at the same time and eventually these pastoral tribes
adopted agriculture. In the northern kingdom, farmers from
lowland zones like Jezreel colonised the hill country because of
>>The Bedrock of Myth [Articles]
... The Bedrock of Myth [Articles]
... [ CD-Rom Home ] THE BEDROCK OF MYTH by Roger Ashton Tracing
the Origin of Myth The Nonexistent Sunlike Saturn Perceived Form
and the Passage of Time An Alternative Conjecture The Sequence
of Manifestations The Forms of the Polar Apparition Sungir and
the Nasatyas The Triple Crescent and the Neanderthals Three
Tests
_1. Tracing the Origin of Myth If the metaphors of myth and the
symbols and emblems derived therefrom can be traced
retrospectively to the elements of a primeval visual design from
which all of them could evidently and separately evolve, then
that primeval visual design is the bedrock of myth. It is not
necessary to presume that this origin has a unity in time. The
design need consist only of the very simplest set of parts from
which the metaphors may readily be obtained. Identification of
gods with planets plants obstructively false clues along the
trail of retrospective tracing. One of the absurdities to which
these false clues can lead is the north celestial polar Saturn.
The latter is thoroughly weighed and found thoroughly wanting in
the
... the brief period of the Allerod Interstadial began, about
12,000 years ago. A brief period of greatly lowered solar
radiation then supervened, and the glaciers grew and spread
again in far western Europe and in the Pacific Northwest of
America, and the Polar Apparition may have reappeared for some
more centuries. After this, solar activity again increased, the
climate warmed, and the Apparition vanished yet again, about
10,000 years ago. Some 2,000 years later, at about 6,000 B.C .,
the people of Çatal Hüyük still recalled the concentricity of
the 7 crescents. They had forgotten the concentricity of the
crescent in the preceding triple crescent phase. On a wall in a
shrine at the site, three pairs of cow's horns are put
separately side by side, some distance apart, instead of being
on a raised base in a row, whereby their concentricity would
have been evident from a frontal viewpoint, as with the earlier
cited set of seven. Some centuries later, possibly from about
5,500 B.C. to about 4,500 B.C., in the later phase of the
Climatic Optimum, the solar activity, slightly greater than at
present, frequently or at least intermittently reached that next
point in the series of intensities, whereat the auroroid
hologram, the image, the Polar Apparition, was once again made
visible. This was Jupiter, the god, presiding over an age of
agriculture which was at this time already ancient and in a
state of problematically increasing development. At about 3,500
B.C., the image had been absent for as long as 1,000 years. Some
____predynastic paintings of the Gorzean period of Ancient Egypt
include an emblem consisting of a composite wheel on the outside
of which are radially mounted five animals of the sheep or goat
variety. This is a markedly corrupted depiction of the image in
that windmill phase to be discussed shortly. The Sun's activity
had lessened, and the climate had cooled a little, although it
was still warmer than today's. Until now, apparently, solar
acctivity has neither risen nor fallen so high or so low as to
activate the hologram at all. It is worth noting that in the
sequence of successive phases of the existence and the
nonexistence of the Polar Apparition, as set forth
>>Evolution from Space [Articles]
... that's what I understand mythology to be principally related
to - they can be described as a literary genre. But we attempt
to identify these so-called mythical or literary genres as
actual historical events. We are not certain, most of us don't
have an actual certainty as to when they occurred, we try to
establish whether they were actual historical events, we would
be delighted just to prove that, let alone try to set them in a
particular chronological order, and find out exactly when they
happened in history. Q1: I have no doubt that there were periods
in which there was chaos, elements of mythology appear in the
pyramid texts and the Book of the Dead with far greater
frequency than they appear in other texts. Things like this
description in Anastasi IV very probably refer to events during
what we call the historical period in Egypt, whereas the
mythological events related in the Book of the Dead and the trip
through the Underworld and so forth, those are a completely
different area that may date to ____predynastic time.
_Michael Reade: I started this question - I was advised that
even if the thing was produced at the time of Seti II, not to
rely on the fact that these events actually happened at that
time, and I agree with that advice 100%, except that there
happen to be about six or seven lines running entirely parallel
of different things and they are all pointing to the same date
round about then, this is just one little branch.
_Peter Warlow: Isn't there another possibility, if there is a
very old tradition of real events that are catastrophic, if
there was a lesser catastrophe, that the ideas from the earlier
catastrophe would be remembered and perhaps repeated. For
instance, when the Bible says, the Lord turned the Earth upside
down, it is merely referring to a catastrophic event that
happened much earlier on, but the fact that it is said suggests
that there was something happening at that time.
_Michael
Plato's Atlantis and Prehistoric Europe [Articles]
... dates for the Megalithic civilisation, as it were, show that
the Europeans were well into a Chalcolithic period of metal
working before the dynastic period in Egypt began, and there
were contacts with Egypt even at this early date. A certain kind
of ivory comb exists only at Los Millares in Southern Spain,
which is here, and in ____predynastic Egypt. Radio-carbon dates
- these are calibrated - 3300, whether we calibrate them or not,
they are still earlier than the Egyptian of roughly the same
period. So, is it possible that the Egyptians were so impressed
by the Neolithic peoples of Europe on whom they may have been
ultimately dependent as a source of tin, that
Plato's Atlantis and Prehistoric Europe [Articles]
... to be consistent with what the Egyptians were trying to say,
this knocking off the naught is really quite impossible. The
whole point of the narrative that the Egyptians gave Solon was
to impress upon him that they were talking about a period of
extreme antiquity. In our terms, they are trying to explain that
all this happened in the ____predynastic period, i.e. sometime,
probably, in the fourth millennium. The idea that Atlantis was
something to do with Minoan Crete makes complete nonsense of
what the priests were talking about. Thera exploded some time
during the XVIIIth dynasty, not before the first. Whatever dates
you put on it, the relative chronology the priests
Robert Temple: The Crystal Sun [Journals] [SIS Internet Digest]
... Sun www.robert-temple.com/ Based upon 33 year of research
all over the world, museums from Stockholm to Shanghai, from
Athens to Cairo, and in thousands of books in several language
Robert Temple has reconstructed a wholly forgotten story: the
story of light technology in ancient civilisation. It goes back
at least to 3300 BC in ____Predynastic Egypt, and continues
throughout Western antiquity. A science of optics and a
sophisticated technology for the manufacture of lenses was
widespread and fundamental in ancient times. Now at last we can
know how it was that the earliest Egyptian surveyed their
pyramids and other structures with such uncanny precision; they
used the equivalent of theodolites wan lenses, and
The Homeric Question [Journals] [SIS Review]
... radiocarbon and are grossly inflated, there is still a
necessary time gap due to the intervening Early Bronze Age,
confirmed by pottery links and sequences across the whole area.
An idea, long since rejected, which may be relevant here is
contained in Petrie's Formation of the Alphabet (London 1912).
He observed that potters' marks from ____Predynastic Egypt
(before hieroglyphs came into use) and from Dynastic Egypt often
resembled letters of later alphabets and syllabaries and hence
he speculated that there was some common and widely used system
of marks from very ancient times. Some of the Old European'/
'Linear A' signs are the same as the later alphabetic signs,
which to
Catastrophism and the Compulsion to Meaning [Journals] [Kronos]
... to them. But it should be evident that in periods of
celestial stability the catastrophic categories formed earlier
will be given more purely terrestrial content, and that it is
quite possible that the celestial origin of a given category
should be completely forgotten, only to be activated again by
renewed instability. Thus, for example, the oldest god of
____predynastic Egypt seems to have been worshipped as a hawk.
The hawk was universally admired for the height to which it
soared and the terrifying swiftness of its striking power. It is
perfectly conceivable that it should be worshipped by a society
of hunters, in some pre-agricultural phase, who wished to
imitate these qualities. It is equally conceivable that.
The Opening Of The Mouth Ritual - Part I [Journals] [Aeon]
... Andrey Bolshakov. [10] As Aylward Blackman stated 74 years
previously: "The rite of preparing the body for burial and that
of Opening the Mouth are closely connected, both being based
upon the [actions] of the sun-god." [11] And his contemporary,
Wallis Budge, stated une-quivocally that Osiris was "in the
____predynastic period a star-god, or even a solar god." [12]
Osiris, Iris and Horus "Osiris was the God-man through whose
sufferings and death the Egyptian hoped that he might rise again
in a glorified Spirit-body... In every funeral inscription known
to us, from the Pyramid Texts down to the roughly-written
prayers upon coffins
Notes and Queries [Journals] [SIS Review]
... From: SIS Chronology & Catastrophism Review 1996:2 (May
1997) Home | Issue Contents Notes and Queries Ancient Egyptian
Stoneworking Techniques Q. On a visit to Glasgow, I visited the
Burrell Collection - and there I saw some quite perplexing
exhibits. They were vases dated to Egyptian ____predynastic
times (earlier than 3000BC in conventional dating). They were
beautifully round and smooth, each vase having a nicely formed
lip around the top and two small handles, perfectly
symmetrically placed, one on each side. If the vases had been
pottery, formed from clay, the workmanship would have been
impressive - but these had been cut from stone: gabbro, basalt,
diorite
Suns and Planets in Neolithic Rock Art [Journals] [Aeon]
... the worship of the sun and various celestial bodies belongs
to the oldest Egyptian religion is commonly acknowledged.
Countless passages in the Pyramid Texts, for example, allude to
the King's identification with the ancient sun-god and his
intimate relationship to the morning star. (41) In Egypt the
star appears amongst the earliest pictographs, being found
already upon ____predynastic pottery. (42) Although both
8-pointed and 5-pointed stars are attested very early on, the
5-pointed star eventually came to predominate. Here it is
relevant to note that the image of a star superimposed upon a
disc also appears in Egyptian hieroglyphic writing, as an
ideogram for the underworld (see Diagram 11). This sign may
The Cycle of 320 Days [Journals] [Aeon]
... in time and historical sequence. Pure luck has permitted the
survival of existing clues to the length of the year as the
Egyptians perceived or chose to reckon it. What is apparently
the oldest clue to the Egyptian perception or reckoning of the
year can be found on the Palermo Stone, a diorite block on which
the neatly tabulated chronicles from ____predynastic times up to
Dynasty 5 were cut. An English translation of the entirety of
these tabulated chronicles is presented in James Henry
Breasted's Ancient Records of Egypt. A photograph of the front,
or recto, of the stone is included in Sir Alan Gardiner's Egypt
of the Pharaohs. A Year of 320 Days Employing the actual
arrangement or tabulation
Society News [Journals] [SIS Workshop]
... to the north in the Caucasus region. For those of us who had
earlier in the year been on the Egyptian cruise, the wealth of
illustrative material struck a reminiscent chord, and for those
who had not visited Egypt it served as a pleasant lightning
tour. David's case opened with the fact that all the evidence
points to the earliest ____predynastic settlements being in the
south, with a later conquest of the north. A consideration of
the earliest monumental stone buildings, the Djoser step-pyramid
and its associated complex, shows that the stone was worked into
an enduring representation of contemporary buildings and their
natural materials. Columns on the facade of the House of the
North' used the papyrus
Ebla and Near East Chronology Part I [Journals] [Catastrophism &
Ancient History]
... chronology as far as Ebla is related to Sumer and Akkad. We
may even suspect the nature of the anomaly by reasoning he is
forced to the conjecture that current dates for levels XVI-IX
Alalakh must be lowered,[3 ] presumably to comply with the low
dates he favors for MIIBI Ebla. Woolley places level XVI Alalakh
in the Uruk ____predynastic period[4 ] and XIV in Jemdat Nasr,
hence the timescale is considerable. If instead of tinkering too
much with Woolley's Alalakh chronology we raise Matthiae's dates
for MIIBI and associate in time the conflagration levels of
Syria in general with those of Sumer and Akkad, in the manner of
Schaeffer[5 ] a clearer picture of the
The Death of Gods in Ancient Egypt [Journals] [SIS Internet
Digest]
... to have won me a place in the hearts of those whose ideas
have no support from me. I have long felt I should defend my
book,and to that end I have labored for a year to bring forth a
revised and updated version. This version has additional
illustrations and supporting computer images of the
precessionally changed sky over key ____predynastic settlements.
This is for those interested in seeking a verifiable origin, or
basis, for the Egyptian belief system, and is a serious and
thoughtful investigation. Part One: the Story and the Celestial
Dome. 1. Beginnings 2. A Necessary Foundation 3. The Inheritor
of the Throne 4. A Necessary Foundation: Da Capo
The Genie Of The Pivot [Journals] [Kronos]
... upon a quantitative bias in mythical material which supports
the reconstruction. This context is, in turn, part of the
greater context of objective terrestrial and human history. What
archaeology reveals to have been omitted from the transmitted
record of human affairs is of the utmost significance. 1. The
Missing Millennia The Egyptians kept records of their kings from
____predynastic times onwards. Through the millennia, there was
a continuous loss of historical documentation. Monuments and
papyri were lost or destroyed. The Palermo Stone of Dynasty V
recalled nothing about the ____predynastic kings except their
names.(1 ) Egyptian history of any substance thus begins hardly
earlier than 3000 B.C. In Iraq, history of
The Genesis of Israel and Egypt [Journals] [SIS Review]
... and was to become a central religious duty. In Moses' time,
the instrument used to perform the operation was a flint knife -
suggestive of the custom's remote antiquity (Exodus 4:12). Now
recall that circumcision was one of the most ancient customs of
Egypt, assumed to have been introduced either at the end of the
____predynastic, or near the beginning of the dynastic period.
Circumcision seems to have constituted a type of propitiatory
sacrifice and we know from Diodorus Siculus that Menes taught
the people to worship gods and offer sacrifices' (Diodorus i,
45,1 ). The name Menes (Mena) reminds us of the phallic god Min
who was one
Velikovsky's Sources Volume Three [Books]
... ', which left their imprint forever after, on the
civilisation of later centuries, preceded a united Egypt, which
emerged upon our historic horizon at the consolidation of the
two kingdoms into one nation under Menes about 3400 BC. His
accession marks the beginning of the dynasties, and the
preceding, earliest period may be conveniently designated as the
____predynastic age. In the excavations of the last ten years,
the ____predynastic civilisation has been gradually revealed in
material documents exhibiting the various stages in the slow
evolution which at last produced the dynastic culture."
Breasted's footnote (* ) refers to his own "Ancient Records of
Egypt"(19O6) vol.1 , paragraphs 44-5.
Chapter 2 The Sphinx [Journals] [Velikovskian]
... "Here, at Sakkara, for all to see, was a reproduction in
stone of the mud-brick and timber buildings in which the
Pharaohs had lived in the Archaic or Early Dynastic period, and
doubtless they incorporated Charles Ginenthal, Pillars of the
Past 79 [wooden and mud-brick] features which had been in use in
____predynastic times."60 [Author's emphasis] Related to this is
that at the time of even the Third Dynasty, and earlier, Egypt
was supposed to be a desert. J.E. Manclip White discusses the
problem of wood for buildings in ____predynastic and early
Egyptian history: "The Egyptian woodworker must have acquired a
marvelous dexterity
Enheduanna and the Goddess Inanna [Journals] [SIS Review]
... A key text will be identified [8 ]. The Sumerian hymn
Nin-me-sar-ra', because of the peculiarities of its content,
authorship and style will serve to illuminate the several
related literary works of the era. But before this literature
can be discussed we must understand the historical setting.
Sumer in the 3rd Millennium BC c.2500 BC ____Predynastic Period
c.2200 BC Akkadian Dynasty Guti c.2000 BC Ur III Dynasty The
Akkadian Dynasty The dynasty of Akkad was founded by Sargon the
Great. Before his time, ancient Sumer had been a loose
confederation of city states vying with one another for
supremacy. A Semite in a land ruled by native Sumerian dynasts
and the son
Sothis and the Morning Star in the Pyramid Texts [Journals]
[Aeon]
... Egyptian religion, but - because of the heavy reliance upon
astronomically-oriented methods of retrocalculating history (via
the Sothic cycle) - of an adequate foundation for ancient
chronology as well. (2 ) On Spd.t And Sirius The Pyramid Texts
are thought to have been compiled in the third millennium BCE,
although many of the passages may reflect ____predynastic
beliefs. (3 ) Composed by various scribes throughout the
centuries and renowned for numerous conundrums and internal
inconsistencies, these texts are not without their difficulties
for the researcher of comparative mythology. Such problems
notwithstanding, the Pyramid Texts represent the oldest body of
literature dealing with the various celestial bodies and, as
such, they constitute a vital
Recent Developments In Near Eastern Archaeology. C&C Review
2002:1 [Journals] [SIS Review]
... for EB. Earlier still, they note that the Chalcolithic
period has been dated by radiocarbon about a thousand years
earlier than was once orthodoxy. Their final para on p. 1331
says: In conclusion, the collective 14C evidence of the Early
Bronze Age from Jericho and other sites in the southern Levant
as well as from Egypt for the ____Predynastic period and
Dynasties 1-6 strongly challenges the current archaeo-historical
time framework for these cultural and political periods. Most
14C dates overwhelmingly show that these periods are
significantly older than currently accepted'. For Egypt,
Radiocarbon Dates of Old and Middle Kingdom Monuments in Egypt'
by G. Bonani, H. Haas et al (pp. 1297-1320)
Planet of the Greeks by Meres J. Weche (Book Review). C&C Review
2002:1 [Journals] [SIS Review]
... believes Narmer's reign ended at that time and the story of
the Seth/Osiris conflict stems therefrom. He then makes
connections with Byblos and thus Asia. Horus is now brought in,
originally in Upper, now in Lower Egypt and Memphis. Weche
distinguishes 2 Djosers: Netjerykhet following Narmer and
Sinakhte Dynasty III. Djoser I, Khemetic, ____predynastic built
the step pyramid. Imhotep his vizier; Seth's disciples, Ta-Seti
were Nubian. II 3114-2730 There were pharaonic and dynastic,
Horus the elder and child, Upper and Lower Egypt, African and
Levantine, 2 Ptolemaic Periods, Classic now and conventional
later. There is a detailed discussion of the relationship of
Seth on one hand and
Child of Saturn (Part VI) [Journals] [Kronos]
... that these examples appear relatively late on the
mythological scene would not hold much water. Phoenician
goddesses are invariably depicted as bare breasted but wearing
flounced skirts.(11) So also with the "fertility" statuettes,
such as those found at Mari(12) and elsewhere in the
Mesopotamian world. The so-called dancing figurines of the
Egyptian ____predynastic period or Amratian culture are,
likewise, clad in skirts and often portrayed with uplifted
arms.(13) In fact, as far back as one wishes to go, even into
the Stone Age, images of the Goddess will be found presented as
fully rounded female figures, often with upraised or
outstretched arms.(14)
A Reading of the Pyramid Texts [Journals] [Pensee]
... , suggests that when the celestial struggle had reached
enough stability to allow for some kind of organized human
government, this was carried out under the auspices of the
planet that appeared victorious. Examination of skulls and other
physical evidence has led to the conclusion that "another race
in addition to that represented by the remains found in all
reliably dated ____Predynastic graves occupied Egypt in Early
Dynastic times." (D. E. Derry).1 These invaders may well have
been the Followers of Horus which the Turin Canon interposes
between Horus himself and Menes; there would then be the
familiar spectacle of a horde identifying itself with a planet
and carrying out invasions under its name.*
Thundergods and Thunderbolts [Journals] [Aeon]
... : "The concept of the thunderbird exists in Gran Chaco, in
Ecuador, and among the Caribbeans on the northern coast of the
continent. Its range indicates a more extensive presence in
earlier times than is now the case." [6 ] The Egyptian Min
offers an early example of the thundergod, his defining symbol
appearing already on ____predynastic pottery and rock art
tracing to the fourth millennium BCE. In addition to serving as
a god of storm and war, Min also featured prominently as an
agent of fertility. [7 ] The ancient Semitic thundergod
Hadad/Adad, whose name is thought to be cognate with Arabic
haddat, "thunder," was likewise represented as
Maya Cosmos: A Saturnian Interpretation (Part II) [Journals]
[Aeon]
... was preserved in the mat symbol. Through millennia, the mat
retained its divine significance, and this power was taken over
by, and used to legitimise, the earthly rulers' authority. As an
aside, the mat was important to another, even more ancient,
culture - that of Egypt. As Marie Parsons relates: "From
____predynastic times as Petrie discovered, and probably earlier
still, offerings were made to the gods and to deceased persons
on small mats of woven reeds." [44] Mat designs appear on many
Maya buildings. Shown in Figure 12 is one of the great plaster
mats erected above a Popol Nah, or council house, at Waxaktun.
Society News [Journals] [SIS Review]
... that was Linear B. According to Bob Porter, Linear A is
Semitic and not related to Luvian, which is an Indo-European
language, so the Vinca people could have had a Semitic language.
In 1912 Petrie wrote The Formation of the Alphabet. His ideas
were rejected but there may be something in them because he
noted that in the ____predynastic period there were certain
potters' marks used which were very similar to later alphabetic
signs. He noticed the same signs in a number of cultures and
suggested they were either used symbolically or as a form of
writing. John Crowe remarked that Hancock's Keeper of the
Genesis does not explain why this ancient civilisation did not
write anything inside the
Planet in Crisis: the Earth's Last 12,000 Years [Journals] [SIS
Review]
... Sudan [100], the Nubian sector of which has had no
continuous yearly rainfall since about 3,500BC [101]. Before
then, in Neolithic (middle Holocene) times, the (currently bare)
Red Sea Hills were well wooded and irrigated by rivers - now
nearly all dry - well stocked with fish. Several distinct
____predynastic Egyptian cultures successfully availed
themselves of those conditions [102]. As now known to us, much
of the Saharan desert regime dates from only around the
astonishingly recent datum of 5,000 years ago [103]. The
desertification process developed unevenly, since a few oaks and
cedars, which formerly dominated many Saharan districts,
contrived
The Great Father [Books]
... and Researches into the Early History of Mankind; Frazer,
The Golden Bough. In 1934 E.A. Wallis Budge published his From
Fetish to God in Ancient Egypt, whose very title indicates the
influence of the evolutionary theory on specialists. Budge
writes (p.56): "Animism must have preceded the magical cults of
the ____predynastic Egyptians, and it, in its turn, was
succeeded by the cults of animals, birds, reptiles, trees, etc.,
which after animism formed the predominant part of the later
religion of the Egyptians. The great merit and fact that it
embraced a qualified totemism and fetishism and prepared the way
for the higher classes of
The Hunting Or Blitzkrieg Theory [Journals] [Velikovskian]
... and Roman World, (1974), gives a full account of this
period. This material was carefully summarized by Derek Wilson
and Peter Ayerst in White Gold. "All the great civilizations of
Asia and Europe prized elephant ivory. combs, knife handles,
carved figures and other items revealing a high degree of skill
have been found in ____predynastic (e.g., before c. 3,000 B.C.)
Egyptian sites and there were ivory carving centres in Babylon
at the same time. The large numbers of ivory objects found in
royal tombs indicate beyond doubt that articles made from
elephant tusks were status symbols eagerly coveted by the
wealthy. Stylistic similarities suggest
An Integrated Model for an Earthwide Event at 2300 BC. Part II:
The Climatological Evidence [Journals] [SIS Review]
... The inscriptions of Ankhtifi, whose writings have been dated
to the beginning of the First Intermediate Period, include the
following, "... at a time when the sky was (in) clouds/storm
(igp) (was in a tumult?) and the land was in the wind" [81]. A
____predynastic cemetery was found to be denuded by wind action,
which removed up to two metres of fairly resistant silt and
exposed the burials, probably some time after the 6th Dynasty
[82]. The amount of material that can be carried in dust storms
is impressive. For example, reports state that the great dust
storm of November 12-13
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Mother Goddess and Warrior-Hero (Part One) [Journals] [Aeon]
_From: Aeon I:5 (Sep 1988) David Talbott. The necessary emphasis
on the planet Saturn in much of the prior discussion of the
polar configuration has perhaps created a false impression that
must now be corrected ... Because the myths present Saturn as
the "first father" - the central sun and creator who originally
stood "alone" in the sky - that planet is the logical focus of
any attempt to present the configuration. At the
... Venus literally expelled from Jupiter, the claimed relation
of a Venus flyby to the events of the Biblical Exodus, the
claimed interactions of Mars and the Moon, and the numerous
proposed effects on the Earth - most of these claims, though
relevant to the question of Velikovsky's place in history,
surely do not constitute the primary ground on which
Velikovsky's work must be judged. In my own research, beginning
in the early 70s, three "Velikovskian" ideas found confirmation
at every level of inquiry: Saturn as the original great god; the
cometary Venus; the warring planet Mars. It also became clear
that there was much more to the stories of the gods than will be
found in the pages of Worlds in Collision. And the context in
which the respective themes occur does not support at all the
Velikovskian planetary chronology, in which the "ages" of the
different gods are spread out over thousands of years. In truth
the gods are far more interactive than is suggested in
Velikovsky's published work. The catastrophic Venus-comet does
not await Saturn's fall before entering the myths. The warrior
Mars takes the stage in the same sequence of events introducing
Venus. And both Mars and Venus are so closely tied to the
personality of the central sun as to serve mythically as the
god's externalized "attributes," contributing independently to
the god's life, death and re-birth. If this fact is not
generally acknowledged by comparative mythologists, it is
because, in the evolution of myth, the progressive fragmentation
of language removes originally-unified meanings: as the myths
and symbols pass down from generation to generation, for
example, it becomes less and less apparent that the
"long-haired" star or goddess was originally the beard or
sidelock of the central sun. It is no longer perceived that the
famous sword of the warrior-hero was originally the cosmic
mountain or the sun god's lower limbs. In the natural evolution
of myth, words progressively shed their archetypally-integrated
meanings, as each divine attribute becomes, in the stories, a
thing in itself, its radical tie to the other mythical objects
(which have also become things in themselves) having been
forgotten. And clearly, the more "rational" the chronicler,
Morning Star* [Journals] [Aeon]
... as the Golden Age of MesoamericaIt would [therefore] appear
that Quetzalcoatl was originally the Mesoamerican equivalent of
Osiris or Saturn." (60) Would that mainstream mythologists had
been as astute. What seems to have confused the issue
... divinity- and with it a minor deity whom they referred to as
Mistaken Morning Star. (45) The Myth which describes how
Mistaken Morning Star came into existence need not be told here
but its implication is stressed by Marion
... divinity, the morning star." (61) A "song" from the Anales
de Cuauhtitlán relates the sequence of events: "Truly they say
that [Quetzalcoatl] went to dieThey say in the year One Reed he
2. Mother Goddess and Warrior-Hero (Part One) [Journals] [Aeon]
_David Talbott.
... catastrophic Venus-comet does not await Saturn's fall before
entering the myths. The warrior Mars takes the stage in the same
____sequence of events introducing Venus. And both Mars and
Venus are so closely tied to the personality of the central sun
...
3. The Unworkable Polar Saturn [Journals] [Aeon]
_From: Aeon I:3 (1988)
... stars. Due to these orientations, Saturn would have risen
and fallen in the sky with elevations and with a ____sequence
and pattern very similar to that now followed by the Moon as
seen by the terrestrial observer. Saturn's visible phases ...
4. Morning Star* [Journals] [Aeon]
... divinity, the morning star." (61) A "song" from the Anales
de Cuauhtitlán relates the ____sequence of events: "Truly they
say that [Quetzalcoatl] went to dieThey say in the year One Reed
he ...
6. From Myth to a Physical Model [Journals] [Aeon]
_From: Aeon III:3 (Oct 1993)
... any approach to myth that must ultimately resort to make
believe in order to account for the universal forms and event
____sequences. I shall enumerate here a few examples, in terms
of clearly universal mythical themes. It is remarkable how ...
8. In Defense Of The Saturn Thesis [Journals] [Aeon]
_From: Aeon VI:3 (Nov 2002) Dwardu Cardona
... to see the Saturn thesis as a reflection of the Greek divine
succession, Peter James compares it to the Babylonian
____sequence which has Anu followed by Enki/Ea/Saturn, in turn
followed by Marduk/Jupiter, who was ...
12. The Opening of The Mouth Ritual - Part II [Journals] [Aeon]
... [158] "Like the offering ritual, where each new version was
added to the beginning of the older ____sequence, the implements
on this spell are named in the reverse order of their historical
appearance: the recently introduced adze ...
13. The Saturn Thesis: Questions and Answers [Journals] [Aeon]
_From: Aeon III:6 (Dec 1994) David Talbott
... , and asks: what are the underlying forms inherent in the
mythical expressions? What are the underlying events or
____sequences that will account for the recurring dramas of
myth? But is it necessarily true that myths have an external
reference ...
14. Solar System Studies (Part 2) [Journals] [Aeon]
... of misrepresenting both Velikovsky's and Talbott's ideas.
But in order to get the ball rolling, let us postulate a
____sequence of events which, though offered by neither
Velikovsky nor Talbott, may be consistent with the theories of
both, ...
15. Return to the Paelo-Saturnian Ssystem (Forum) [Journals]
[Aeon]
_Michael Bar-Ron From Jerusalem, Israel... genealogy of the
gods, and that of Biblical characters, the ancients often
confounded the issue by attempting a chronological ____sequence
out of original disparate threads. As Philo of Alexandria noted:
"By reason of the constant and repeated destructions ...
17. Discussion Questions From the Floor [Journals] [Aeon]
... posed for those critics who confine their expertise to the
land of Israel. From written material of antiquity, a
____sequence of four major nations was expected for the period
beginning after the Neolithic/Chalcolithic and ending with the
decline of ...
19. The Saturn Thesis (Part 2) [Journals] [Aeon]
_From: Aeon IV:5 (Nov 1996) David Talbott
... : mountain of the world; created enclosure; and four
life-bearing streams. These components arose through intimately
related event ____sequences, which we will try to get to as
quickly as possible. Now I realize that you have some new ...
20. Maya Cosmos: A Saturnian Interpretation [Journals] [Aeon]
... to count its respective intervals of time and return to the
day on which it began, thereby beginning a second ____sequence
without stopping or skipping any days in real time. According to
their Classic Period Long Count calendar, the Maya ...
28. Changing Sea Levels [Journals] [Aeon]
... deposed. This region now rests beneath out northern sky, it
having shifted through 90-deg as Earth toppled. This
____sequence of events is possibly that told in the "Wars of the
Titans." In the process, mass was ...
29. On Mars and Pestilence [Journals] [Aeon]
... an eclipse-like pestilence overtaking the kingdom of the
ancient sun-god, the expulsion of Mars formed a prominent
episode in the ____sequence of events culminating in the
restoration of the kingdom of the gods. As Mars moved away from
Venus, much ...
32. The Cycle of 320 Days [Journals] [Aeon]
... Days Roger Ashton The era comprising the earliest dynasties
and subsequent Old Kingdom of Egypt is remote in time and
historical ____sequence. Pure luck has permitted the survival of
existing clues to the length of the year as the Egyptians
perceived or ...
33. The Opening Of The Mouth Ritual - Part I [Journals] [Aeon]
... used by Dwardu Cardona who is now painstakingly
reconstructing the major events of the entire Saturn age into
their proper historical ____sequence, a task which will require
at least five volumes. Once the chronology of the major events
is reasonably set ...
40. The Calendar [Journals] [Aeon]
... Codex is what I call the Maya Magic Number. It is the
difference between two date points and gives a ____sequence
length of 1,366,560 days. Convention approaches this number of
days by denigrating Maya Calendar Mathematics. ...
42. Book Shelf [Journals] [Aeon]
... have observed that mathematics and physics have obeyed a
certain dialectical relationship. Physics is not just an
aimless, random ____sequence of Feynman diagrams and symmetries,
and mathematics is not just a set of messy equations, but rather
physics and ...
49. Natural Catastrophes During Bronze Age Civilisations
[Journals] [Aeon]
... his audience that there exist a series of rings which show
no summer growth and which were dated, via his ____sequence, to
3624 BP (1627 BC). His conclusion was that this must be the date
of the Santorini ...
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