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[1-2d] - NOAH MYTH - BIBLE GREAT FLOOD - FLOOD MYTHS ..GREAT
FLOOD MYTHS ..GREAT FLOOD MYTHS - GREAT FLOOD PROTECTION - AREAS
LACKING SEDIMENTARY ROCK - UNFLOODED LANDS - UNFLOODED BEDROCK -
GC CHRONOLOGY - COMBINED CATACLYSMS
=========================Postby Lloyd » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:56 pm
__NOAH MYTH
- there's a good chance that Noah and the ark and the animals on
it may have been an apparition in the sky and that the
"fountains of the great deep" referred to the sky too, since
most of the ancients seem to have referred to the sky as the
"great deep", also as the ocean. ...
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Tue Dec 22, 2015
5:08 pm
__BIBLE GREAT FLOOD
Refer to Genesis 1:14 [Creation Day 4] for the pre-flood season
reference, along with Gen. 2:4-6; and to God's promise in
Genesis 8:22 [the post-flood "initiation" of the principle of
uniformity] for seasons based on climate/weather.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:13 pm
__FLOOD MYTHS
The chart I posted above is evidence of a flood that occurred at
the same time in most of the world, since most of those myths
have important elements in common: major flooding and people and
sometimes animals being saved in a large vessel.
- Some cultures may have gotten their flood myths from other
cultures. And it seems possible that there were vessels in
several parts of the world where people and animals were saved
from drowning. It's also possible that the vessel containing
people and animals was an apparition in the sky as sometimes
discussed among Saturn theorists. Gordon is the one who
suggested that nearly all of the sedimentary rock strata
worldwide were deposited all at once during the Great Flood, and
that suggests that where there is no sedimentary rock on
continents, there was possibly no major flooding, which means
many people and animals may have survived in those locations,
which are shown in the map below in the areas of Precambrian
surface rock.
Great Flood Deposits
HTML http://www.geo.msu.edu/geogmich/images/precambrian_rocks_and_mobile_belts.JPG
Image
- I think there's a reasonable amount of consensus among Saturn
theorists. They seem to agree that the polar planetary
conjunction lasted quite a while, then the configuration
destabilized and the planets and small objects in the sky
appeared to behave chaotically. There were upheavals on Earth
and a great flood about 4,500 years ago. Unusual electrical
effects were seen. There was also rapid continental drift. An
Ice Age followed. The planets soon found their orbital paths
around the Sun; the Moon appeared in the sky and the new order
prevailed. And civilization rebuilt in Egypt and Sumer firstly.
- Since nearly all the sedimentary strata were deposited by the
flood and the fossils formed primarily at that time, the map
above shows that there were several places around the world
where there was little if any flooding and that's where people,
animals and some plants survived best. Due to the fall of many
meteors, the world's forests and grasslands caught fire, which
led to coal deposits within the sedimentary areas. As Mike
Fischer explains at
HTML http://newgeology.us
, it makes more sense
that continental drift didn't occur until a few hundred years
after the Great Flood. And the movement of the northern
continents toward the north pole is what froze the animals in
the north. Velikovsky had thought that the Earth's axis had
shifted, causing Alaska and Siberia to come close to the Arctic
Circle, but rapid continental drift explains things much better
than does a pole shift.
====================postby Lloyd » Tue May 31, 2016 9:59 am
__GREAT FLOOD MYTHS
- THOTH CLUES TO THE GREAT FLOOD Part 1
-
HTML http://saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/thoth.1998.08.txt
- A BRIEF ORIENTATION David Talbott
... WHY SHOULD WE CARE ABOUT MYTH?
... Myth is, I believe, a window to early human history, a more
intense period of history than we've realized. The myths have
their roots in a time of celestial catastrophe, and more often
than not the appearance of confusion results from viewing myth
as something other than what it is. In the course of cultural
evolution and scientific advance, we left behind the fabled
"long ago," whose images seemed wholly out of touch with our own
world. Yet my personal conviction is that ancient myth, when
seen as a symbolic record of earth-shaking events in the sky,
will permanently change man's view of his celestial environment.
- BUT YOUR CONCLUSIONS ARE NOT THOSE OF OTHERS WHO DEVOTED
LIFETIMES TO THE STUDY OF MYTH.
... Many common themes run through the folklore of diverse
cultures. From ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia to the Americas,
from India to China, Scandinavia, Africa, and the Pacific
Islands, one finds surprisingly similar accounts: celestial
temples and cities, a lost paradise or "Garden of Eden," a
cosmic mountain, a flaming serpent or dragon in the sky -- and
surprisingly similar stories of global calamity ranging from
wars of the gods, to a great flood or a devastating rain of fire
and gravel. If we'll look at these collective memories
carefully, it will change our understanding of the past. Many of
the myths concern planets, but the accounts make no sense to us
in terms of the movement of these remote bodies today. Why did
the planets, these little pinpricks of light, play such a
powerful role in the mythical "age of the gods"? Along with
others working in this field, I've come to interpret the myths
and drawings and ritual practices from a new vantage point. Here
is the conclusion in a nutshell: A few thousand years ago, the
sky did not look anything like it appears today! Planets hung as
gigantic, sometimes terrifying bodies above the ancient
stargazers. In periods of stability this involved incredible
beauty, but there were also periods of mind-altering catastrophe
-- the most traumatic experiences in human history.
- WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS?
- The primary evidence comes from ancient pictures and
chronicles, submitted to extensive cross-referencing. By
comparing accounts from around the world, one can begin to
reconstruct the way the sky looked in ancient times. Is it
possible that the myths and pictographs recorded, in a language
unique to the starworshippers, large-scale events we've
forgotten? By keeping that possibility firmly in mind, the
researcher will begin to identify crucial themes of myth --
themes found on every continent, but pointing to an alien sky.
As one begins to see the past differently, recent space age
discoveries will take on a new significance. Our probes of other
planets, such as the Mariner explorations of Mars, the Voyager
missions to Jupiter and Saturn, and more recently the Magellan
mapping of Venus, the Galileo probe of Jupiter, and the Mars
Surveyor have produced many stunning images of the planets and
their moons, together with undeniable evidence of large-scale
catastrophe within the planetary system. Taken as a whole, these
stark profiles of our neighbors challenge traditional theories
claiming slow and uneventful planetary evolution. Moreover, a
new possibility arises from a reconsideration of the historical
material: the possibility that at least some of the horrendous
scars on our planetary neighbors resulted from events witnessed
by man not all that long ago.
- WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE STATEMENT THAT THE PLANETS APPEARED AS
"GIGANTIC BODIES IN THE SKY"?
- At the core of the argument is the idea that several planets
were once joined in a spectacular gathering of planets, together
with gases and dust, smaller moons and cosmic debris. For
prehistoric man -- who witnessed all of this -- the effect was a
massive celestial display in the northern sky. I've called this
celestial assembly "the polar configuration" because in its
stable phases it was centered on the north celestial pole. In
the beginning, the primary form was the planet Saturn,
stationary but immense in the sky. Numerous lines of evidence
suggest that Saturn once towered over man and inspired the most
dramatic leaps in human imagination the world has ever known.
Our work puts a new emphasis on the unusual celestial events
reflected in the myths. When you first dive into world
mythology, all of your prior training will tell you to dismiss
the myth-makers as fabricators or victims of hallucination. But
there's another way to see the myths. Ancient man experienced
extraordinary events, then strove to remember and to reenact
them in every way possible. The result was not only a global
mythology, but entirely new forms of human expression. And the
whole range of expressions -- sacrifices to the gods, wars of
conquest, monumental construction, pictographic representations,
and endless celebrations of the lost age of the gods -- left us
a massive reservoir of evidence. These highly novel expressions
are, in fact, the distinguishing characteristics of the first
civilizations.
- BUT WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THE SKY HAS CHANGED SO DRASTICALLY?
- The best I can ask for is a willingness to consider an
argument. I could show you, for example, that certain celestial
images preoccupied ancient man to the point of an obsession. A
great cosmic wheel in the sky. The pyramid of the sun. The eye
of heaven. Also the ship of heaven, a spiraling serpent, the
raging goddess, and four luminous "winds" of the sky. The
problem for conventional perspectives is that these images are
far, far removed from anything we see in the heavens today. But
that is only the beginning of the theoretical challenge. As soon
as you realize that far-flung cultures, though employing
different symbols, tell a unified story, all of the previous
"explanations" of myth collapse. Of course the point will not be
proven in a few sentences, and not in a few pages. But the more
you learn on this subject, the more compelling the collective
memory becomes.
- SO YOU ARE CHALLENGING THE IDEA THAT THINGS HAVE NOT REALLY
CHANGED THAT MUCH WITHIN THE SOLAR SYSTEM.
- Yes, we are challenging an intellectual system as a whole.
What is at stake here are the pillars of the modern world view.
How could it be that the sky has completely changed in a few
thousand years? Our textbooks do not talk about such a thing.
When instructing us on the history of the solar system, the
evolution of our planet, the birth of man, the origins of
civilization, no one speaks of an unstable solar system, of
interplanetary upheaval, or of wholesale changes in the
celestial order. When the popular astronomer Carl Sagan
presented his impressive exposition on the nature of things,
called Cosmos, he didn't ask if we may have misunderstood our
past. Rather, Sagan's expressed view -- the official view of
science for many years -- fits comfortably within the textbooks
on astronomy, geology, biology, anthropology, and ancient
history. When we launched the U.S. Space program in the late
50s, then devoted billions of dollars to exploring neighboring
planets, no one thought to ask if the planets might have
followed different courses in earlier times, whether recent
disturbances of the planetary system might have left their
tell-tale marks on these remote bodies. So when our cameras and
measuring devices reached the planets Mars and Venus, and the
Voyager probes provided spectacular glimpses of Jupiter and
Saturn -- well, we were left with a hundred enigmas and
unanswered questions. And yes, there's a certain irony to this.
The prevailing view of myth proclaims that, through science, man
escaped the bonds of superstition and make believe. But now, in
the twentieth century -- the age of science and reason -- it is
myth and symbol that will provide the lost key to the past, the
key to a new understanding of the solar system and of human
origins. At the heart of this claim is a bedrock principle: the
myth-making age arose from the human urge to REMEMBER [for
future generations, because the sky had changed]; hence, the
patterns of myth are the patterns of human memory. And if it can
be rigorously demonstrated from cross-cultural comparison that
numerous DIFFERENT words and symbols and mythical themes
actually point to the SAME HIGHLY UNUSUAL EVENTS, then the
patterns of memory will carry more weight than science has ever
considered.
- HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH THESE IDEAS ABOUT "PLANETARY" MYTH FROM
THE IDEAS OF OTHER RESEARCHERS SUCH AS JOSEPH CAMPBELL, CARL
JUNG AND MIRCEA ELIADE?
- Each of these impressive scholars came to discern certain
unified layers of myth, layers our traditional cynicism about
myth never anticipated. Perhaps the greatest contribution of
these pioneers is their acknowledgment that the common view --
seeing myth as random absurdity -- will not suffice to explain
the subject. I think the late Joseph Campbell has done the most
to awaken popular interest in myth, and he is one of my own
favorites too. Following a comparative approach, Campbell
brought to light quite a number of global themes. He noted, for
example, the myths of the central sun, the world mountain, the
flowering of creation through sacrifice, the birth of the hero,
the terrible goddess, and so on. Any one of these themes, when
explored in its full context, could open the door to incredible
discovery. But Campbell, like so many others, stopped short of
asking the most important question of all: if the celestial
references of the myths are absent today, is it possible that
they were present in a former time?
- WHAT IS THE REAL MESSAGE OF MYTH, IN YOUR VIEW?
- The mythmakers are telling us we've forgotten the very thing
they regarded as most vital -- in fact, the source of all
meaning to the first starworshippers. We've forgotten the age of
the gods. We've assumed that as long as man has journeyed on our
planet the world looked and behaved almost exactly as it does
today. And that is the fundamental error of modern perception.
The answer to that error is to re-envision the past. With the
help of the ancient chroniclers, its time to bring the forgotten
dramas -- both the beauty, and the nightmare scenarios -- into
the light of day.
====================postby Lloyd » Tue May 31, 2016 10:06 am
__GREAT FLOOD MYTHS
- THOTH CLUES TO THE GREAT FLOOD Part 3
-
HTML http://saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/thoth.1999.08.txt
SATURN CONFIGURATION DISCUSSION
... CARDONA: ... If the Saturnian system was NOT captured by the
Sun, the advent of day and night would have commenced at the
clearing of the Saturnian nebular cloud within which the
Saturnian system was enshrouded. In any case, whether the
Saturnian system was, or was not, captured by the Sun, the
Saturnian nebular, or placental, cloud would still have shielded
the Sun from view until after Saturn's flare-up which, among
other things, blew the placental cloud out of existence.
... ROBERT PREVIOUSLY: At what point does massive flooding come
into the scenario? Do you believe that great quantities of water
fell from the sky and/or world pillar in conjunction with the
break-up?
- CARDONA: >From the world pillar during the break-up,
definitely ... [over not] even a century.
-
HTML http://saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/thotiv01.txt
- THE DEMANDS OF THE SATURNIAN CONFIGURATION THEORY: Part III
- Excerpts from Dwardu Cardona's SIS Silver Jubilee Paper
... CARDONA: THE WHIRLING COLUMN
- Once again, I cannot here present the entire string of
evidential sources which attest to the whirling motion of the
cosmic pillar. Instead I will merely present the opinion of four
authorities on the subject. DC Santillana and von Dechend are
two of many who came to the conclusion that the [visible
Earth's] axis did twist and turn -- although they seemed
somewhat unsure of whether it did so slowly or rapidly -- even
if to them the axis was anything but an actual physical entity.
So, incidentally, did Elmer Suhr when he speaks of the 'whirling
cosmic column' and 'the whirling column of the cosmos.' In fact,
Suhr goes on to stress: 'It is especially important to think of
the cosmic column not as a static post but as a constantly
whirling crucible...' Talbott, of course, also recognized this
fact when he wrote that 'the cosmic mountain in many creation
epics is presented as a churning, serpentine column rising along
the world axis...' [I]t is more than obvious from descriptions
of the Saturnian axis, as well as prehistoric Petroglyphs, that
the polar column was a visible entity rather than a deduced
abstraction. This was so much so that, in some cases, the axis
was even pictured as a ladder reaching to the Saturnian sun. ...
It is ... this bolus flow that would have given the planetary
tornado, or Rankine vortex, its serpentine quality.
... THE WATERY VORTEX
- AMY: Cardona proposes, if the polar column were actually a
colossal tornado, that the Saturn theory demands that this, too,
should be part of the mytho-historical record. ... [T]he tornado
would have sucked large amounts of waters from the Earth and
ancient man should have been aware of this, if not from
observing the column itself, then at least from observing what
happened when the column was severed.
- CARDONA: [A]mong the Australian Aborigines, the great python
is the most impressive representative of the polar column. It is
therefore significant that this python is not only believed to
tower up to the level of the clouds, but that he also 'brings
about rain and flood.' The Efe pygmies of the Ituri forest tell
of a deluge of water which gushed forth as a mighty river when
their version of the Cosmic Tree, which was the polar column,
was felled. Similarly, the Arawak Indians of the [Guianas] tell
of a wondrous tree which Sigu cut down. From its stump, water
gushed out in such quantity as to cause a deluge. This tale is
also found among the traditions of the Cuna, who tell of their
mischief-maker, the Tapir, chopping down the Saltwater Tree from
which salt water gushed out to form the oceans of the world.
Thus, Velikovsky was correct when he surmised that the water of
the Deluge would have been salty, but not, as he believed,
because the salt, or at least its chlorine content, originated
from Saturn. The water was salty because it came from the same
oceanic water the vortex had sucked up in the first place.
... THE FLOOD FROM THE NORTH
- AMY: Cardona moves on to the next demand of the Saturn Theory.
If the Deluge was [partly] the result of the collapse of a
colossal tornado situated in the north, then the
mytho-historical record must also contain this information. And
it does. Among others, three American Indian tribes, the Wintus,
the Wichita, and the Pawnee, tell different legends of the
flood, but in each case the deluge arrives from the north.
- CARDONA: But what of the hard sciences? Is the evidence there?
Once again, I can only mention a few items here, but that an
enormous flood had once swept down from the north to scour the
land surface of North America has been suggested by J. Harlan
Bretz. So, similarly, with C. Warren Hunt who speaks of evidence
pointing to a flood from the north, excavating the land as it
went before it emptied into Lake Bonneville. That Lake
Bonneville itself also burst its bounds to cause a secondary
flood has been documented by Robert Jarred and Harold Malde.
What is of additional interest here is that the area once
covered by this lake constitutes a vast salt deposit 100 square
miles [= ten miles square] in extent. Similar signs of a vast
scouring flood from the north have also been discovered in
Siberia. ... [T]his flood was [not] due to the catastrophic
melting of the northern ice cap at the end of the Ice Age
[since, at that] time, the northern ice cap had not yet been
formed.
... THE CHURNING OF THE OCEAN
... [T]he Indic myth from the Mahabharata and the Bhagavata
Purana [says]: In an effort to produce ... divine nectar, both
gods and demons used Mount Mandara as a churning stick. Winding
the serpent Vasuki, [or] Ananta, around Mount Mandara, ...
depicted not in the form of a mountain, but in that of a pillar
... the gods (at one end) and the demons (at the other) grasped
hold of Vasuki by the head and tail and, pulling him back and
forth, were able to rotate Mount Mandara fast enough to whisk
the sea into an ocean of milk from which amrita was produced.
... [T]hus ... the mythic World Mountain and the Axis Mundi were
one and the same. In fact, it has long been known to Indologists
that Mount Mandara stood for the axis of the world. ... In
Vasuki we recognize the bolus flow wrapped around the central
vortex -- and here it is interesting to note that this entity
was 'associated with the north,' thus locating the entire action
in that locality. Finally, in the divinities' churning by
pulling at the coiled Vasuki this way and that way, an echo is
retained of the clockwise/counterclockwise rotation of the bolus
flow as described by Jueneman.
... The elements contained in the myth of the churning of the
ocean must not be thought of as uniquely Hindu in origin. In the
Hindu myth, for instance, we see that Mandara was placed on the
back of a tortoise. In Chinese mythology, it is Shang-ti who is
depicted as standing on the celestial tortoise, while the
serpent was said to have encircled the tortoise. Shang-ti's
title was The Holy and Propitious Prince of the North Pole, who
is usually represented as surrounded by a halo, both of which
have special meaning to this study. It is also noteworthy that
the symbolism of the tortoise and serpent goes at least as far
back as the Han dynasty and was used as an emblem for the
northern region of the world. More than that, as Lord of the
Centre, Shang-ti was also revered as Huang-ti, who is perhaps
better known as the Yellow Lord or Yellow Emperor. The Yellow
Emperor has long been acknowledged to be an avatar of Saturn.
And in the Japanese Kojiki we learn of the Heavenly Jeweled
Spear which joined heaven to Earth and which acted as the
churning stick responsible for the surfacing of the mythical ...
island of Onogoro [in the sky].
=========================Postby Lloyd » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:13
am
__GREAT FLOOD PROTECTION
- It's certainly possible that there are or were physical ETs
who planted us on the Earth and saved enough living things in
times of cataclysms to repopulate the planet afterwards. But I'm
inclined more to think that it's angels who do those things.
There seems to be more evidence that angels or spirits exist
than that ETs exist. The evidence of UFOs etc could actually be
evidence of angels, as well as mankind's own recent inventions
to some extent. Where the Bible speaks about God, it seems to
mean angels of God. For example, the beings who visited Abraham
before the destruction of Sodom and Gemorah were referred to as
Lord, men and angels. The story of Moses and the burning bush
where God spoke to him is repeated in the Book of Acts, I think,
and there it's stated, I think by Stephen, that it was an angel
who spoke to Moses. So I think the Bible only refers to the
doings of angels, not really to those of "God". If I were an
advanced being, I think I'd certainly prefer to have an immortal
spirit body, than a mortal physical one, if I could manage it. I
do believe in holistic, infinitely caring consciousness by the
way.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:17 pm
__AREAS LACKING SEDIMENTARY ROCK
Gordon, do you think sedimentary rock strata locations indicate
where the Great Flood occurred? And do you think where there are
no sedimentary rock strata, the Flood did not occur? Here's a
map of Precambrian strata locations in a light pinkish color,
while sedimentary locations are light greenish:
HTML http://higheredbcs.wiley.com/legacy/college/levin/0471697435/chap_tut/images/nw0167-nn.jpg
The site is:
HTML http://higheredbcs.wiley.com/legacy/college/levin/0471697435/chap_tut/chaps/chapter08-07.html
The main locations where Flood deposits are minimal or none are
in much of eastern Canada & Greenland, Antarctica, eastern South
America, southwestern Africa and other spotted locations in
Eurasia & Australia.
If the Flood was not significant in those areas, then organisms
could have probably survived there without an ark.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Tue Jan 19, 2016
12:40 pm
__UNFLOODED LANDS
I say that the frequently fossiliferous Cambrian and "above"
sequences were deposited during the flood, in at least three
major stages marked by the PreCambrian/Cambrian ["explosion"],
PT [Permian/Triassic extinctions] and KT [Cretaceous/Tertiary
extinctions] stratigraphic boundaries found globally. Add the
Pliocene/Pleistocene groupings as a 4th major ending event [the
Ice Epoch].
No, I would not say that there was no major flooding where there
are no sedimentary rocks, nor that possibly living things
survived on land not flooded. I do hold that some sea creatures
survived the flood, as there is no indication in the biblical
record of Noah being commissioned to save them; and in geology
we find that fossilized sea creatures are found generally buried
in strata beneath the fossils of land creatures -- this "first
burial" trend would be expected since their habitats are "lower"
than those of the land creatures. Standard model "shallow sea"
explanations are to me indicators of creatures washed over onto
and buried on the ancient continental shelves or lowland areas,
which could be nearly anywhere on the ancient supercontinent
before the formation of the boundary [brake] mountain ranges.
The Precambrian rock areas may have not been flooded or were
washed clean as they were being uplifted toward the end of the
flood into the exposed areas they now are found. There are no
indicators from fossil evidence or otherwise that these "shield"
regions were areas where anything survived the cataclysm;
however the lack of fossils and the metamorphic/intrusive
morphologies of Precambrian sequences in general do place them
as being formed before the deluge, possibly primordial, or as
vestiges of the original uplift of the continents above the
primordial sea.
Other areas where there are no [exposed] sedimentary sequences
are regions of "recent" [last stages of flood and post-flood]
volcanism, so these would be an "afterthought" of the cataclysm,
although the causation of these later events was definitely put
in place by the flood apparati. Hence volcanic arcs are found
adjacent/parallel to boundary ranges and trenches, etc. and/or
other stressed areas of the continents.
=========================Postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:39 pm
__UNFLOODED BEDROCK
Since the Great Flood likely deposited nearly all of the
sedimentary rock strata, why did it not deposit anything in the
numerous shield regions? Since Noah's ark is likely to have
referred to the Saturn Configuration, the actual survival of
humans and animals would be likely due to one or two of two
possibilities:
1. the Flood did not cover the entire surface of the Earth (some
or all of the shield regions);
2. humans in many locations independently took to boats and
ships for the duration of the Flood and animals lived on some of
the ships and/or on floating mats of logs and debris.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Mon Jan 25, 2016
4:03 am
The shield regions are Pre-Cambrian exposures that do show some
large-scale erosive/depositional action, eg. drumlins on the
Canadian shield in Ontario; just because there are no major
stratigraphic sequences doesn't mean they were untouched by
flood tides or currents.
--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:16 am
__GC CHRONOLOGY
... My views? Multiple catastrophes with the last major one
approx 12,000 years ago. The last of the lesser approx 1200BCE.
I'm more interested in the human side of things rather than the
Earth/science side.
- ... If there was a 'global' flood then it would have been
12000 ya. It can't have been either the MBA or LBA collapses as
there were still several peoples, eg, Egyptians, Indians etc who
didn't completely collapse. ...
--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:37 am
... (As I see it) Venus and Mars were definitely involved in the
LBA collapse as were Jupiter and the Sun. Homer makes this
clear. Whether Venus was involved in any of the previous
incidents is hard to say partly because it is difficult to know
in which time period a story takes place.
--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:44 pm
... Nanodiamond-Rich Layer across Three Continents Consistent
with Major Cosmic Impact at 12,800 Cal BP
HTML http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/677046
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Postby webolife» Tue Dec 29, 2015
4:12 am
__COMBINED CATACLYSMS
As for tsunami sediments, this objection against tsunami action
is not well thought out; consider this view:
A tsunami is simply a water delivery system. Whatever materials
are there to be delivered, and whatever organisms or objects are
there to be buried, these are what will appear in the resulting
deposits. Remember that the deluge was not just a passive
submergence of land, but rather powerful currents flowing over
the land and eventually laying their deposits over vast sections
of the low topography. Today's tsunamis operate in low coastal
areas, washing in and back out again not able to pass higher
ground. A different nature of deposit will be left in this
scenario.
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