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#Post#: 109789--------------------------------------------------
Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage LU4
DIR By: padre
Date: February 14, 2026, 5:27 am
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Hi all,
I'm looking for some guidance on the following situation. I'll
bullet point it otherwise I'll end up writing a novel;
I pulled into a Shell garage at 23:05 back on 18th October 2025.
I walked offsite to a takeaway next door to the garage to
collect some food - I was parked for around 10 mins.
I received a Notice to Keeper dated 30th January 2026 -
Uploaded.
I have checked their evidence, they have pictures of my vehicle
stationary, time-stamped and even show me returning to the
vehicle with my food - I'll upload these.
Since receiving it, I have gone back to the site in question to
check signage - there is plenty of it, however it blends in
perfectly with the car wash signage (all red and yellow) and
does not stand out all.
They want £100, reduced to £60, but I think I've run out of the
discount period.
I have not responded or identified myself as the driver, but
they literally have a photo of me!
Anyway, please advise me. Should I just pay this off or can I
beat this?
links to photos and NTK;
HTML https://ibb.co/wFJ0H7N3
HTML https://ibb.co/v44xmbXg
HTML https://ibb.co/xSwyVWc9
HTML https://ibb.co/rKTLbQ6x
HTML https://ibb.co/VW1x1yPh
TIA
#Post#: 109791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage L
DIR By: jfollows
Date: February 14, 2026, 5:45 am
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Their photo does not identify you.
Their Notice to Keeper is issued too late to transfer liability
from the unknown driver to the registered keeper.
Although they will automatically reject any appeal, including
valid ones, it will be the first step along the path to paying
£0.
Please confirm that you are the registered keeper, your car’s
V5C is up to date, or if you are not the registered keeper, what
are you?
#Post#: 109792--------------------------------------------------
Re: Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage L
DIR By: padre
Date: February 14, 2026, 5:56 am
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I'm the registered keeper, my name is on the log book. The photo
is not evidence that i was the driver?
MSE recommeds sending this template "I dispute your 'parking
charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or
contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about
your predatory conduct to your client landowner.
There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no
assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I
require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You
must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you
contend was at the location on the material date as well as your
images of the vehicle.
If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in
response to this appeal must include the record of payments made
- showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for
the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.
If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your
evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the
landowner."
Is this applicable to me?
#Post#: 109793--------------------------------------------------
Re: Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage L
DIR By: jfollows
Date: February 14, 2026, 6:05 am
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How on earth could anyone take the photo and infer your identity
from it?
The police can’t do this, and certainly some rogue firm of
former clampers can’t either.
The only way they know the identity of the driver is if you tell
them.
Standard appeal is
--- Quote ---
> I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking
charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I
will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your
client landowner.
>
> As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge.
>
> Besides, other shortfalls, as an example, your NTK is issued
too late to transfer liability from the driver to the keeper.
>
> Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient.
There will be no admission as to who was driving and no
inference or assumptions can be drawn. UPE has relied on
contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
UPE have no hope should you be so stupid as to try and litigate,
so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and
cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 109794--------------------------------------------------
Re: Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage L
DIR By: padre
Date: February 14, 2026, 6:07 am
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I love this. You're my kind of guy. You found the perfect
balance of professionalism and mockery.
#Post#: 109795--------------------------------------------------
Re: Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage L
DIR By: jfollows
Date: February 14, 2026, 6:09 am
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--- Quote from: padre link ---
>
> I love this. You're my kind of guy. You found the perfect
balance of professionalism and mockery.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks, but I copied it from someone else!
#Post#: 109796--------------------------------------------------
Re: Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage L
DIR By: padre
Date: February 14, 2026, 6:12 am
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I love you anyway, thank you for responding and advising so
quickly. So I'm good to copy and paste that and send it off
straightaway?
#Post#: 109797--------------------------------------------------
Re: Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage L
DIR By: jfollows
Date: February 14, 2026, 6:21 am
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--- Quote from: padre link ---
>
> I love you anyway, thank you for responding and advising so
quickly. So I'm good to copy and paste that and send it off
straightaway?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes.
Don’t be surprised if they reject the appeal, their rejection
waffle probably not addressing the key single point, followed by
a failed appeal to the sham IAS “independent” appeals process,
but you never know. Come back here in due course, the end result
will be £0 after months of tedious paperwork.
#Post#: 109798--------------------------------------------------
Re: Universal Parking Enforcement - Passenger or Driver left the
premises whilst vehicle parked on site - Shell Garage L
DIR By: padre
Date: February 14, 2026, 6:23 am
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You know I was going to just pay it, but I absolutely hate these
blood suckers. Thanks for your help thus far, I'll be back when
they send the heavies around.
#Post#: 110213--------------------------------------------------
APPEAL REJECTED - Universal Parking Enforcement - Shell Garage
LU4
DIR By: padre
Date: February 18, 2026, 8:05 am
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Follow up to my initial post =====>
mailto:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/universal-parking-enforcement-passenger-or-driver-left-the-premises-wh-9915/msg109789/#msg109789
here
Summary:
Date of alleged contravention - 18-10-2025 (ANPR Camera)
Notice to keeper - 30-01-2026 (nothing before this)
Internal appeal to Universal Enforcement Parking sent -
14-02-2026
Appeal rejected - 16-02-2026
Appeal was made on the basis that the Notice to Keeper was
issued too late to hold the keeper liable (advice given by
[member=636]jfollows[/member]). As predicted, the appeal made no
mention of the key point and just waffled.
I have attached the appeal response and all the other images
again. What is the next step?
*Could someone also advise whether I've done the right thing by
creating a new post or should I just keep updating the previous
one?
TIA
Appeal rejection (2 pages) -
HTML https://ibb.co/F4syjb40<br
/>
HTML https://ibb.co/394RjhxM
links to photos and NTK;
HTML https://ibb.co/wFJ0H7N3
HTML https://ibb.co/v44xmbXg
HTML https://ibb.co/xSwyVWc9
HTML https://ibb.co/rKTLbQ6x
HTML https://ibb.co/VW1x1yPh
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