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#Post#: 113955--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: March 21, 2026, 12:04 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> OK. So until you get a PCN with your name and address at the
top, you can do, (and should do), nothing.
>
> On receipt of the representations from Hertz, the council
cancel the first PCN, then have 28 days to send out a second PCN
to you. At that point, you can either pay the discount, or
submit representations.
>
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Hi, just an update. I have been transferred the liability and
this is the link:
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/ycf9FDr
Any advice to appeal would be appreciated.
#Post#: 113957--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: tincombe
Date: March 21, 2026, 12:21 pm
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Is/was the vehicle hired for a period of less than 6 months or
is it leased?
It's vitally important.
#Post#: 113960--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: March 21, 2026, 12:47 pm
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
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> Is/was the vehicle hired for a period of less than 6 months or
is it leased?
>
> It's vitally important.
>
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I can confirm the car was hired less than 6 months
#Post#: 114421--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: March 25, 2026, 4:19 pm
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Hi, any advice on submitting a representation?
#Post#: 114710--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: March 28, 2026, 3:18 pm
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Bump
Just curious if anyone has advice to appeal this.
#Post#: 114714--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 28, 2026, 3:38 pm
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Look at my #3. No really useful advice can be given until we see
the signage and if there are any advance warning signs on your
approach.
There may also be a "technical" appeal argument, so wait and see
if anything is suggested, but don't miss the payment/appeal
deadline.
#Post#: 114717--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: March 28, 2026, 3:51 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Look at my #3. No really useful advice can be given until we
see the signage and if there are any advance warning signs on
your approach.
> There may also be a "technical" appeal argument, so wait and
see if anything is suggested, but don't miss the payment/appeal
deadline.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for your reply. I received the PCN addressed to me on
the 20/03.
I have drafted a email response. Could anyone please check it
and add or delete anything that is required.
Dear Sir or Madam,
I make formal representations against the above Penalty Charge
Notice on the ground that the alleged contravention did not
occur. In the alternative, I rely on compelling mitigating
circumstances and procedural impropriety.
1. The restriction was not adequately conveyed (Regulation 18
breach)
Under Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders
(Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, the authority
is under a duty to ensure that traffic signs adequately convey
the effect of any restriction.
At this location, the signage fails this requirement for the
following reasons:
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to the point of commitment.
•
is not clearly visible to approaching motorists until it is too
late to safely comply.
•
prominent relative to surrounding signage.
It is well established in tribunal decisions that a restriction
is unenforceable where a motorist is not given sufficient
opportunity to see, understand, and comply with the restriction
before committing to the manoeuvre.
2. Inadequate visibility at night
The alleged contravention occurred at approximately 22:25 hours.
At this time:
•
•
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exercising due care
A restriction that is not clearly visible in night-time
conditions cannot be said to be adequately conveyed.
3. Failure to provide advance warning
The restriction is part of a recently introduced Low Traffic
Neighbourhood (LTN) scheme in the Wormholt area.
There is no adequate advance signage alerting drivers prior to
entering Sawley Road that motor vehicles are prohibited ahead.
As a result, the restriction only becomes apparent after the
driver has already committed to the route.
Tribunal decisions consistently confirm that:
A driver cannot be expected to comply with a restriction that is
only visible after the point of commitment.
4. Signage orientation and positioning
Evidence from this location shows that:
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side-on) to approaching traffic
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direction
A sign that is not facing oncoming traffic does not satisfy the
legal requirement to adequately convey a restriction.
5. Legitimate expectation & recent scheme
I have used this route on previous occasions without any
restriction being apparent. The introduction of this scheme
appears to be recent.
Where a new restriction is introduced, the authority is expected
to ensure:
•
•
This has not been achieved.
6. Supporting case principles
I rely on established tribunal principles that:
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positioned, or not visible in prevailing conditions
•
point
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last-second manoeuvres
These principles have been repeatedly upheld in London Tribunal
decisions, including cases involving the London Borough of
Hammersmith & Fulham.
7. Request for evidence
Should the authority not cancel the PCN, I require the
following:
•
•
•
question
•
•
Conclusion
For the reasons set out above, the restriction was not
adequately conveyed and the alleged contravention did not occur.
I therefore request that the PCN be cancelled.
If the authority is not minded to cancel, I will have no
hesitation in pursuing this matter to adjudication.
Yours faithfully,
#Post#: 124236--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: July 9, 2026, 3:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Look at my #3. No really useful advice can be given until we
see the signage and if there are any advance warning signs on
your approach.
> There may also be a "technical" appeal argument, so wait and
see if anything is suggested, but don't miss the payment/appeal
deadline.
>
--- End Quote ---
Just an update on the above PCN. Thank you for your help, always
appreciated.
Dear Sir / Madam
Penalty Charge Notice Date of Contravention Vehicle Registration
Location
06/07/2026
: HZ96427434
: 08/01/2026 at 22:25
: xx xx xxx
: RMV Sawley Rd Westbnd nr Jct Bloemfontein Rd (va)
Thank you for writing to us about the above Penalty Charge
Notice (PCN).
After carefully considering your case, and without prejudice to
our position, I have decided to use our discretion to cancel
this PCN. Please be advised that we consider all cases
individually, and so other PCNs issued in similar circumstances
may not be cancelled.
This PCN was issued because the vehicle was observed and
recorded by an unattended camera, ignoring a ‘No Motor Vehicle’
except buses, taxis, and permit holders’ sign. Private hire
vehicles are not automatically exempt. The exemption applies
only to Hackney Carriages.
The restrictions are clearly signposted and are placed at
different points prior to entering and within the restricted
area. These restrictions apply 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
including Bank Holidays.
Ignoring traffic signs can lead to traffic delays, accidents,
and risks to other road users. It can also delay emergency
services vehicles.
Drivers have a responsibility to comply with all signs and
markings relating to road traffic restrictions and directions. I
am therefore satisfied that the PCN was correctly issued.
Motorists who are visiting residents of the borough may use the
restricted side roads routes if given access by the resident.
Access through the cameras can be given to visitors, delivery
drivers or tradespeople, by activating a visitor session through
RingGo.
Any non-resident can reach any property in the area without
needing to go through a camera. Delivery drivers and
tradespeople can use these alternative routes, via Uxbridge
Road.
The Wormholt neighbourhood improvement project only restricts
the use of certain roads in the Wormholt area by out-of-borough
motorists. Cameras have been installed to discourage
out-of-borough motorists from using our streets as cut throughs.
They are at:
•
•
•
For more information on the project, please go to Wormholt
neighbourhood improvement trial FAQs | London Borough of
Hammersmith & Fulham
A recording of the contravention can be viewed on-line by
following the links on the Parking pages at the Councils web
site
HTML http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
or directly at
HTML https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/pcn
(select the link to "Challenge a
Fine and View Images” and follow the instructions) - The video
can be seen below the photos
Photos can be viewed by clicking on the different numbers below
the image displayed on screen to move between them.
Yours faithfully
x xxxx
Telephone: 02073715678
Web: www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking
#Post#: 124240--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 9, 2026, 4:47 pm
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Well done ! We don't see councils giving way very often.
#Post#: 124355--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles(Motor Vehicles)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 10, 2026, 6:20 pm
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Plonkers. The costs regulations need to be lessened.
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