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#Post#: 109538--------------------------------------------------
TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
DIR By: Fightback
Date: February 11, 2026, 6:25 pm
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Hi
Friend has received PCN below, he is unsure as to why. Any
advice much appreciated.
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I assume they are stating he was in the electric vehicle box
which he said he was not.But even if he was pictures are not
clear at all?
Thanks!
#Post#: 109542--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 11, 2026, 6:47 pm
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We need a bit more info. The first photo on the PCN clearly show
he is in the traffic lane with his rear offside wheel in the
central hatched area, with brake lights on. The second photo
doesn't show his vehicle at all, just an approaching bus. As
its a red route, one must not stop, unless the traffic flow
stops. Was he stopped waiting to enter the parking bay by the
shops ?
The PCN is served under the Traffic Management Act and their
only evidence is a video, so he could ring them ask for it. This
will stop the enforcement clock for about 14 days whilst "quill
pen and ink, and powdered wigs" Transport for London send it by
post as a DVD. There is an ongoing row about this, because DVD
readers on computers are now rare, and even London Tribunals are
getting concerned at such unhelpfulness. Most councils nowadays
put their videos on-line with access using PCN Number and car
reg.
#Post#: 109553--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: Fightback
Date: February 12, 2026, 2:40 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> We need a bit more info. The first photo on the PCN clearly
show he is in the traffic lane with his rear offside wheel in
the central hatched area, with brake lights on. The second photo
doesn't show his vehicle at all, just an approaching bus. As
its a red route, one must not stop, unless the traffic flow
stops. Was he stopped waiting to enter the parking bay by the
shops ?
>
> The PCN is served under the Traffic Management Act and their
only evidence is a video, so he could ring them ask for it. This
will stop the enforcement clock for about 14 days whilst "quill
pen and ink, and powdered wigs" Transport for London send it by
post as a DVD. There is an ongoing row about this, because DVD
readers on computers are now rare, and even London Tribunals are
getting concerned at such unhelpfulness. Most councils nowadays
put their videos on-line with access using PCN Number and car
reg.
>
--- End Quote ---
He isn’t sure himself and the picture doesn’t really help. I
guess best option is to request a video. Only concern is if it
doesn’t come in time will he lose the right to the discount?
Also if it comes up by DVD, he will struggle to watch it as he
does not have a DVD reader.
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Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 12, 2026, 6:33 am
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I would get the video if he doesn't remember the situation.
TfL stop the enforcement clock when video is requested for 14
days, then it automatically starts again, so he must be
proactive in the matter. Alternative is to submit reps stating
he is totally unaware of any contravention, and has difficulty
remembering his movements on the day in question, and consider
that the alleged contravention did not occur. They will re-offer
the discount when rejecting the reps. (don't ever expect TfL to
cancel a PCN, they want the money). If you take them to London
Tribunals, the video must be made available to the adjudicator
as it is the sole evidence.
#Post#: 109622--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: Fightback
Date: February 12, 2026, 11:41 am
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Thanks - will tell him to request a video.
Feels silly that it has to be requested and this is the evidence
they provide of a contravention.It should be a standard.
There could be a number of reasons why break lights are on in
the middle of the road and for someone who could be driving a
lot, how would they expect them to remember a situation from
such an image.
#Post#: 109634--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 12, 2026, 12:31 pm
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You may be surprised to know that photos are not even a legal
requirement on the PCN ! The law is totally out-of-date now,
especially with the rapid advance in the internet and the
ability to show videos on-line. TfL are in the tech dark ages
and their reliance on DVDs sent by post has come under scrutiny
at London Tribunals, althnough whether they will be able to
"persuade" TfL to up their game is another matter. All the
London councils have their videos on-line, as do most others.
Quite why TfL persist is a puzzle because there is an admin cost
in sending out DVDs.
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Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: Fightback
Date: February 16, 2026, 10:00 am
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Footage has been requested.
The woman on the phone said it’s for the stopping in the EV bay
and not charging - would the PCN code be correct for such an
offence?
Edit -
Just checked the sign does say Red Route expect electric
vehicles so assume code 46 would be correct.
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Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: Fightback
Date: February 16, 2026, 10:22 am
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Just came across this thread - can it be used as argument if
case gets to tribunal. As once TFL do send the video, my friend
does not actually have anything to play a DVD on.
#Post#: 109967--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: MrChips
Date: February 16, 2026, 12:54 pm
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Video will be critical here.
I've tried to assess the position of the car in the first photo
and it looks to be on the opposite side of the road to the
electric vehicle bay, and a few metres further down the street.
Assuming I'm right, if he did stop there, that's either after
he's already left or well before he manoeuvred into it.
Andy, if he did stop there, he'd likely be allowed a few moments
to check signage before leaving too.
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Re: TFL 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or
clearway)
DIR By: Fightback
Date: February 16, 2026, 5:02 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> Video will be critical here.
>
> I've tried to assess the position of the car in the first
photo and it looks to be on the opposite side of the road to the
electric vehicle bay, and a few metres further down the street.
>
> Assuming I'm right, if he did stop there, that's either after
he's already left or well before he manoeuvred into it.
>
> Andy, if he did stop there, he'd likely be allowed a few
moments to check signage before leaving too.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks - Is it wrong to assume one could get the PCN thrown out
at tribunal on the basis a video is key for evidence in this
scenario as the pics provided do not prove an offence and TFL
providing a DVD makes it inaccessible based on previous
adjudicators rulings?
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