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       #Post#: 10711--------------------------------------------------
       NIP
   DIR By: dumb_once
       Date: November 20, 2023, 8:55 am
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       Hi all
       So - I've been a div and wonder if anyone can help me.........
       So the crux of the issue is I've sent in some dashcam to report
       a police driver who was driving without due care and a distinct
       lack of attention further down the road and I've wrongly sent an
       unclipped bit of footage which incriminates me on a road further
       on from this initial incident - what a div!
       Received a NIP and I've asked for their evidence so I know what
       I'm fighting, they sent me links to my footage, two correct and
       clipped pieces and one unclipped video that stuffs me and also
       sent the following in the email.
       The NIP states they are taking action "Drive a mechanically
       propelled vehicle on a road without due care and attention"
       Reporting person is driving on a 40mph road whilst his current
       speed is showing as 62mph on the video footage. Reporting person
       can be heard saying "so it's a 40 ****, I was doing 70" followed
       by "sets us up now for a bit of fun here, because these corners
       are epic if you drive them right". Aside from the speed limit,
       Reporting Person is travelling far too fast for the wet road.
       Into the tight bends there are solid white lines in the road,
       "slow" painted on the road and oncoming cars that are being
       forced over to the lefthand side of their carriageway.
       So yup once the giggling has stopped from whomever is reading
       this I can confirm I do have the dashcam footage, also the road
       was wet, however not once was I out of control, the speed didn't
       go over 65, no-one else on the oncoming side had to avoid me nor
       change course and this is clear on my footage - they took the
       apex of the corner as you'd expect, they just take corners as a
       normal car would.
       I've been driving for over 30 years and not had points in at
       least 15yrs, I've had no trouble with the police previously
       also.
       Anyone know how's best to proceed and what I'm looking at
       prosecution wise?
       Thanks in advance.
       #Post#: 10714--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: Southpaw82
       Date: November 20, 2023, 9:16 am
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       That is quite ironic…
       #Post#: 10715--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: dumb_once
       Date: November 20, 2023, 9:20 am
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       oh yes - indeed - wasn't paying due care and attention when
       completing the online form  :-[
       #Post#: 10716--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: DWMB2
       Date: November 20, 2023, 9:25 am
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       --- Quote ---
       > wasn't paying due care and attention when completing the
       online form
       --- End Quote ---
       That depends - if your goal when you submitted the form was to
       report poor driving then you might have been twice as effective
       as you thought...  ;D
       There seems to be some discrepancy between your version of
       events and those of the police, as worded in the email. I
       imagine people might need to see the footage to make a call on
       whose version of events is most accurate.
       #Post#: 10720--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: dumb_once
       Date: November 20, 2023, 9:49 am
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       Have a peep here
  HTML https://youtu.be/lA-ouJ9j6gk
       #Post#: 10725--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: The Rookie
       Date: November 20, 2023, 10:32 am
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       There are many purported origins for “He who seeks revenge digs
       two graves.” perhaps because it's such a truism that it's been
       coined many times over.
       You've helpfully provided the evidence and there is now little
       you can do but wait and see how they intend to close the matter.
       Your excuses matter not if the court agrees that the standard of
       your driving fell below that of a careful and competent driver
       and unless you can convince the court it was just made up banter
       with no basis in fact (good luck with that) I can't honestly see
       a court acquitting.
       #Post#: 10726--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: November 20, 2023, 10:34 am
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       The good news is that the penalty for careless is 3-9 points and
       a fine.
       If you had edited the footage to remove your own wrong-doing,
       that would have been perverting the course of justice which
       could well have resulted in you getting to spend some quality
       time with Bubba.
       The applicability of the saying "people who live in glass houses
       shouldn't throw stones" is perhaps preferable to "people who
       live in 'the big house shouldn't drop the soap".
       #Post#: 10733--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: 666
       Date: November 20, 2023, 11:50 am
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       --- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
       >
       > The good news is that the penalty for careless is 3-9 points
       and a fine.
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Isn't disqualification is also an option?
       #Post#: 10784--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: guest46
       Date: November 21, 2023, 12:54 am
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       Did anyone spot a 40 repeater? Seems to be irrelevant white road
       marking only?
       #Post#: 10785--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NIP
   DIR By: dumb_once
       Date: November 21, 2023, 1:55 am
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       [member=46]M60NJP[/member]
       I get what you're saying but on the audio the following can be
       heard "so it's a 40 ****, I was doing 70"  so sounds like the
       driver is aware.
       However I've read something somewhere but cant find it again
       around the conversations within the car are private and are
       inadmissible?  not sure if someone can give clarity there also -
       something around if people are not aware the dashcam is
       recording audio!  - the person that said the comment above was
       aware but the conversation was with someone who didn't have
       awareness of this fact.
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