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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: September 7, 2026, 2:24 pm
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> Screenshot payments page and and any other status pages.
>
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Sorry I don’t understand?
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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 7, 2026, 3:22 pm
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> [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=9836.msg129841#msg129841
date=1788808944]
> Screenshot payments page and and any other status pages.
>
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Sorry I don’t understand?
[/quote]
What does their website say re current payment re status.
HTML http://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/observation-of-hearings/msg128777/#msg128777
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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 7, 2026, 5:15 pm
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Also can we see the entirety of the rejection letter? From
another Haringey case I think there are some errors in their
template which may be sufficient to win.
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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: tincombe
Date: September 8, 2026, 6:36 am
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UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
Do you have the council's evidence?
What are your grounds of appeal?
You keep referring to driver, but this is owner liability
therefore there is no point in concealing the driver's details.
In fact the opposite can apply. If you were not the driver then
you don't have any first-hand knowledge which IMO would severely
weaken your case as regards the claim that the advance sign was
obscured. I assume you know that 'large van/delivery vehicles'
are not permitted to stop within the controlled area(zig-zags)
which is where(and possibly why) this sign is sited. There are
limited exceptions, but loading etc. is not one of them.
And if you weren't there anyway..then the adjudicator has the
objective evidence of signage only. But maybe a procedural
knight will ride to your rescue, hence Hippocrates' questions.
You're committed now anyway, so it's a case of making the most
of what you've got.
Can't access any previous posts, so to be clear: were you the
driver and are the PCN and NOR addressed to you by name?
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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 8, 2026, 9:20 am
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I have a hearing at 11.30 so I would need to change this one of
yours. PM to be sent later.
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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: September 11, 2026, 7:13 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> Also can we see the entirety of the rejection letter? From
another Haringey case I think there are some errors in their
template which may be sufficient to win.
>
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Apologies, here's the text of the rejection letter. The whole
evidence file can be found at
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uTp_j-5nk-ZxqmCQIukHbTU9ofX-VncE/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uTp_j-5nk-ZxqmCQIukHbTU9ofX-VncE/view?usp=drive_link<br
/>
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>
> Notice of Rejection of Representations. Your case comes under
the London Local Authorities
> and Transport for London Act 2003
>
> Penalty Charge Notice number:XXX
> Date of contravention: 29 January 2026
> Location: Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
> Vehicle registration: XXX
> Verification Code: 95C61A
>
> Thank you for writing to us.
>
> We have carefully considered what you say but we have decided
not to cancel your Penalty Charge
> Notice (PCN).
>
> We sent you a PCN because our CCTV camera evidence shows your
vehicle entering a pedestrian
> zone when it was not allowed to. At this location there are
two signs on either side of the road, these
> signs comply with the relevant regulations. The red circle
indicates a prohibition and is also illustrated
> in the current edition of the Official Highway Code. These
signs are reflective and clear for all
> motorists to observe and comply with.
>
> I have considered what you have explained in your
representations, however I am satisfied on the
> balance of probabilities that the signage relating to the
restriction was substantially compliant with the
> relevant regulations, clear and adequate. As you have shown in
your evidence, there is a clear advance
> warning sign on Park Avenue, which informs motorists of the
pedestrian zone. You say that this sign
> was obscured by another vehicle, however the sign is
positioned at a height that would still make it
> visible for all motorists to observe and comply with. This
sign in conjunction with the statutory signs
> make this restriction substantially clear. The onus therefore
rests with the motorist to ensure that they
> comply with all traffic signs.
>
> After careful consideration of the circumstances and the
evidence presented, I must inform you that
> your representations have been on this occasion. I am
satisfied that a contravention did occur and that
> the Penalty Charge Notice was issued correctly.
>
> You have these choices:
> • You can pay the discount charge of £80.00. You have 14 days
from the date of this letter being
> served to do this.
> • You can pay £160.00 if you miss the discount period. You
have 28 days from the date of this
> letter being served to do this.
> • You can appeal to the Parking Adjudicator by following the
instructions below using PIN
> number 95C61A. You have 28 days from the date of this letter
being served to do this.
>
> The Adjudicator can ask one side to pay costs if he or she
believes, for example, that they have been
> wholly unreasonable. However, the Adjudicator rarely asks
either side to pay costs. The
> Adjudicator is independent and both sides must accept the
Adjudicator's decision. If you lose
> your appeal, you will have to pay the full charge rather than
the discount charge (unless the
> Adjudicator decides otherwise).
>
> If you do nothing
> If, after 28 days, you have taken no action, we may send you a
Charge Certificate increasing the
> charge from £160.00 to £240.00. You will then have 14 days to
pay the increased charge. If, after the
> 14 days, you have not paid the increased charge, we may apply
to the Traffic Enforcement Centre to
> recover the money - plus court costs - from you.
>
> How to pay:
> • By internet: Go to
HTML http://www.haringey.gov.uk/payments
and
follow the online instructions.
> • By telephone: At any time (Credit/Debit Cards only) on 0300
456 0520 - Please have your
> credit/debit card and Penalty Charge Number to hand when you
make the call.
> • In person: Take your PCN and payment to Haringey Vehicle
Pound, Unit 1, 1 Waltham Park
> Way, London, E17 5DU between Monday to Saturday 7am to 10pm
and Sunday 8am to 8pm.
>
> Please ensure you obtain a receipt.
> Yours sincerely
> Mr C Knight
> Parking Process Case Officer
>
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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: September 11, 2026, 7:20 am
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Apologies for the delay. Councils evidence can be found here
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uTp_j-5nk-ZxqmCQIukHbTU9ofX-VncE/view?usp=drive_link.
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> What are your grounds of appeal?
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Signage. There's no way it were adequate or visible at point of
entering the road.
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> You keep referring to driver
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Apologies, used to appealing private tickets. In this case
driver were my partner. I'm faithfully representing their
experience here.
I'm aware of stopping rules, however my understanding is that it
were a van driving in front, easy to concentrate on road ahead
and miss the small sign.
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> Can't access any previous posts, so to be clear: were you the
driver and are the PCN and NOR addressed to you by name?
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No, as stated above. Everything addressed to my partner.
--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
>
> UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
>
> Do you have the council's evidence?
> What are your grounds of appeal?
> You keep referring to driver, but this is owner liability
therefore there is no point in concealing the driver's details.
In fact the opposite can apply. If you were not the driver then
you don't have any first-hand knowledge which IMO would severely
weaken your case as regards the claim that the advance sign was
obscured. I assume you know that 'large van/delivery vehicles'
are not permitted to stop within the controlled area(zig-zags)
which is where(and possibly why) this sign is sited. There are
limited exceptions, but loading etc. is not one of them.
>
> And if you weren't there anyway..then the adjudicator has the
objective evidence of signage only. But maybe a procedural
knight will ride to your rescue, hence Hippocrates' questions.
>
> You're committed now anyway, so it's a case of making the most
of what you've got.
>
> Can't access any previous posts, so to be clear: were you the
driver and are the PCN and NOR addressed to you by name?
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 130209--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 11, 2026, 1:25 pm
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This is what the relevant legislation has to say about a Notice
of Rejection:
Where any representations are made under paragraph 1 above but
the enforcing authority do not accept that a ground has been
established, the notice served under sub-paragraph (7) of the
said paragraph 1 (in this Schedule referred to as “the notice of
rejection”) must—
(a)state that a charge certificate may be served under paragraph
5 below unless before the end of the period of 28 days beginning
with the date of service of the notice of rejection—
(i)the penalty charge is paid; or
(ii)the person on whom the notice is served appeals to a traffic
adjudicator against the penalty charge; and
(b)describe in general terms the form and manner in which such
an appeal must be made,
and may contain such other information as the enforcing
authority consider appropriate.
Your Notice of Rejection mentions they may send a Charge
Certificate "after 28 days". But it isn't specific as to when
that 28 days runs from or to which it is required to be.
This wording follows a section where the 28 day period is more
defined so could be construed to be ok taking the wider context
into account. However even that other 28 day period isn't
defined exactly in line with the legislation. Does 28 days
"from" service include the day of service itself or not?
#Post#: 130218--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 11, 2026, 5:11 pm
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PM sent but no response.
#Post#: 130383--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: September 14, 2026, 6:41 am
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Apologies, have emailed you. The hearing date has now been moved
to April 2027!
--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> PM sent but no response.
>
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