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[Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: February 7, 2026, 8:58 am
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Hi Everyone,
We're trying to see if we should play out or not. Here's the
PCN:
[URL=
HTML https://imgbox.com/pkvbD3mZ]https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/19/75/pkvbD3mZ_t.jpg[/URL]
The driver entered a school street on this occasion while the
enforcement time was in place at 9:06 AM.
There's a road side sign on the nearside approximately 30 meters
away, however on this occasion a large van/delivery vehicle
partially obstructed the sign and the driver failed to see this.
Worse, the signage on the entrance from near side is almost
impossible to see as they are not angled or anything like that
for the approaching vehicles, and the driver missed this too.
Once inside, even if the driver could tell, here would be now
way to tell as the street is one way and backing out of the
street was not an option either due to traffic on the road.
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Finally a video of the contravention.
HTML https://youtu.be/8Dq2AXhTK40
#Post#: 109039--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 7, 2026, 5:37 pm
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OK, I see the advance sign that you say was obscured by a large
van. The sign itself is ridiculously small too. However, the
killer photo is this: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/KXd1NfaQqBSbUa57A
The signs are so place as to be totally side-on until the turn
is started and even then may not be visible from a vehicle.
Obviously they are visible from their CCTV camera !! If those
signs had been place further back by the end of the raised area,
they would be more visible and harder to claim not seeable.
If it were me, I'd be taking them all the way. You must
emphasise the placement of the signs, as well as mentioning the
advance sign was obscured. If you had been turning right, you'd
have a harder task convincing an adjudicator: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dGpQVrQcxx5na3Gq9
Contrast the two views, one a left turn approach and the other a
right turn. Useful to show both to an adjudicator, I think.
#Post#: 109074--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: February 8, 2026, 6:42 am
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Excellent, thank you. I'll execute accordingly.
#Post#: 112813--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: March 11, 2026, 7:31 am
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UPDATE:
Slightly disappointed but not wholly surprised, Haringey Council
has rejected my appeal. Here's their letter:
--- Quote ---
>
> We have carefully considered what you say but we have decided
not to cancel your Penalty Charge
> Notice (PCN).
>
> We sent you a PCN because our CCTV camera evidence shows your
vehicle entering a pedestrian zone when it was not allowed to.
At this location there are two signs on either side of the road,
these signs comply with the relevant regulations.
>
> The red circle indicates a prohibition and is also illustrated
in the current edition of the Official Highway Code. These signs
are reflective and clear for all motorists to observe and comply
with.
>
> I have considered what you have explained in your
representations, however I am satisfied on the balance of
probabilities that the signage relating to the restriction was
substantially compliant with the relevant regulations, clear and
adequate.
>
> As you have shown in your evidence, there is a clear advance
warning sign on Park Avenue, which informs motorists of the
pedestrian zone. You say that this sign was obscured by another
vehicle, however the sign is positioned at a height that would
still make it visible for all motorists to observe and comply
with.
>
> This sign in conjunction with the statutory signs make this
restriction substantially clear. The onus therefore rests with
the motorist to ensure that they comply with all traffic signs.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm happy to take this case to the Environment and Traffic
Adjudicators if members here think I have a good case.
Thanks!
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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 11, 2026, 8:45 am
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If it were me, I think I'd risk the extra money and take them to
London Tribunals. Essentially, it is a typical Fob-Off letter.
HOw do they know the advance sign is visible despite high-sided
vehicles ? No, it's complete tosh.
#Post#: 112933--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: March 11, 2026, 11:14 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> If it were me, I think I'd risk the extra money and take them
to London Tribunals. Essentially, it is a typical Fob-Off
letter. HOw do they know the advance sign is visible despite
high-sided vehicles ? No, it's complete tosh.
>
--- End Quote ---
Cheers. I’ll proceed accordingly then.
#Post#: 129813--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: September 7, 2026, 11:22 am
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UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
Any last moment advise?
I saw some random video somewhere that says I can request the
signing officer to attend and most often they don't when
requested and you get an automatic win. I can't seem to find
anything that actually verifies this, I assume it's just a click
bait video?
#Post#: 129831--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 7, 2026, 1:40 pm
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--- Quote from: maxxxpayne link ---
>
> UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
>
> Any last moment advise?
>
> I saw some random video somewhere that says I can request the
signing officer to attend and most often they don't when
requested and you get an automatic win. I can't seem to find
anything that actually verifies this, I assume it's just a click
bait video?
>
--- End Quote ---
Unfortunately no, you can't. That particular facility applies
only to cases under the London Local Authorities Act 1996 for
bus lane contraventions. If you have a link to this video, it
would be appreciated so we can see what shite there is around to
confuse people.
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Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: maxxxpayne
Date: September 7, 2026, 1:51 pm
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Ah, thank you. Unfortunately it was video shared o. WhatsApp
without a link and I’m unsure of the origins. I’ll try to find
out…
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=maxxxpayne link=topic=9836.msg129813#msg129813
date=1788798170]
> UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
>
> Any last moment advise?
>
> I saw some random video somewhere that says I can request the
signing officer to attend and most often they don't when
requested and you get an automatic win. I can't seem to find
anything that actually verifies this, I assume it's just a click
bait video?
>
--- End Quote ---
Unfortunately no, you can't. That particular facility applies
only to cases under the London Local Authorities Act 1996 for
bus lane contraventions. If you have a link to this video, it
would be appreciated so we can see what shite there is around to
confuse people.
[/quote]
#Post#: 129841--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Haringey] Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
school street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 7, 2026, 2:22 pm
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