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#Post#: 108891--------------------------------------------------
Speeding and S172 SJPN
DIR By: renzokuken
Date: February 6, 2026, 5:49 am
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Hi All
Summary of my situation
• I have received a Single Justice Procedure Notice (SJP) dated
04/02/2026 (received 05/02/2026). Plea deadline: 25/02/2026.
• Charges:
1. Speeding – 35mph in a 30mph limit on 07/08/2025
2. s.172 fail to give driver information – police state a
NIP/s.172 was posted to me on 02/09/2025 and they have no record
of a reply (I will plead Not Guilty as I never received it).
Key facts
• V5C address correct throughout.
• The initial NIP was responded to by my father, nominating me
with my correct name and address.
• I did not receive the 02/09/2025 s.172 and no one in my
household received it either. My father is really good with
monitoring letters for everyone.
• I was staying away from home in rented accommodation on
documented dates: 07/07/2025–22/11/2025, extended to 12/12/2025
(and earlier 13/04/2025–11/05/2025). I can provide the tenancy
agreement and extension evidence.
Objective
• Resolution by pleading guilty to speeding and seek withdrawal
of the s.172 charge (to avoid 6 points).
Practical constraint
• I will be overseas from third week of Feb until September
2026, so I may need:
• representation at hearings, and/or
• applications for adjournment to after November or remote
attendance.
I understand the stock advice is to plead guilty for both
charges and ask for a deal to plead guilty for speeding if the
s172 dropped. But the problem is that I will be away for 7
months from third week of Feb. So won't be able to attend the
hearing/court.
Would it better if I plead guilty to speeding and not guilty for
S172 in the SJP, and contact the prosecutor to drop the S172
prior to hearing? what is the best way to approach this and
likelihood of success vs the above.
#Post#: 108898--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding and S172 SJPN
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: February 6, 2026, 6:17 am
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--- Quote from: renzokuken link ---
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> Key facts
> • V5C address correct throughout.
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Utterly irrelevant if you were not the RK
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> I understand the stock advice is to plead ***NOT*** guilty for
both charges and ask for a deal to plead guilty for speeding if
the s172 dropped.
--- End Quote ---
FTFY
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> But the problem is that I will be away for 7 months from third
week of Feb. So won't be able to attend the hearing/court.
--- End Quote ---
What hearing are you referring to?
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>
> Would it better if I plead guilty to speeding and not guilty
for S172 in the SJP, and contact the prosecutor to drop the S172
prior to hearing? what is the best way to approach this and
likelihood of success vs the above.
>
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It depends. Some areas explicitly state in the SJPN bundle that
if you plead guilty to the speeding, the s. 172 will be dropped.
Some times that is done without prior agreement or notification.
Sometimes they will simply accept your guilty plea for the
speeding and proceed to try the s. 172 charge.
As regards probability, you've gotta ask yourself one question -
"Do I feel lucky?". Well, do you, punk?
#Post#: 108900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding and S172 SJPN
DIR By: renzokuken
Date: February 6, 2026, 6:22 am
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
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> FTFY
>
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Thanks, sorry yes, that's what i mean
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>
> What hearing are you referring to?
>
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My understanding if plead NOT guilty on both, then I will be
given a hearing/court that I need to attend, as I will be
overseas, I can't attend and negotiate the deal in the court.
#Post#: 108902--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding and S172 SJPN
DIR By: renzokuken
Date: February 6, 2026, 6:28 am
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
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>
> It depends. Some areas explicitly state in the SJPN bundle
that if you plead guilty to the speeding, the s. 172 will be
dropped. Some times that is done without prior agreement or
notification. Sometimes they will simply accept your guilty plea
for the speeding and proceed to try the s. 172 charge.
>
> As regards probability, you've gotta ask yourself one question
- "Do I feel lucky?". Well, do you, punk?
>
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To be honest, I really need the s172 to be dropped (the letter
genuinely never arrived). It's Sussex Police, do you know what
is their position on this? There is nothing in the SJPN that
says that if I plead guilty to the speeding the S.172 will be
dropped.
#Post#: 108903--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding and S172 SJPN
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: February 6, 2026, 6:32 am
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--- Quote from: renzokuken link ---
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> My understanding if plead NOT guilty on both, then I will be
given a hearing/court that I need to attend, as I will be
overseas, I can't attend and negotiate the deal in the court.
>
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How do you know when that hearing will be?
The obvious answer would seem to be to include a note stating
that you will be out of the country between <dates> with the
plea.
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