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Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: Homer
Date: February 4, 2026, 3:26 am
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Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian Oldfield lane south Greenford (1)
(U)
Any advice on if and how to appeal this would be appreciated.
Received a fine for 53J failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone in Oldfield lane south in
Greenford, London the description of where this happened is very
vague and does not state the exact location on the Oldfield lane
south of where this happened the images and videos are also no
help to see exactly where on the road this happened. On the
image and video the sign appears to be way above eye level for a
driver in a vehicle and far from the road so I was not able to
see it, it was placed as the zone started and had it been
spotted wouldn't have allowed enough time to read the sign and
timings and stop to turn around prior to entering.
I live 100 miles away in Birmingham which they are aware of as
they have sent this to my address and I am not familiar with
these roads nor was I aware that there were such restrictions
with regards to driving through school zones at certain times as
where I am from we have very few pedestrian only zones but the
ones we do have are clearly labeled at eye level and are not big
enough for cars to drive through.
There also don't seem to be any signs prior to the zone
beginning to give you prior warning that up ahead there is a
pedestrian only zone that you are not allowed to drive through
during certain times.
The sign in the attached image and videos is not clear so the
days and timings the restrictions apply to are not visible
neither on the PCN does it mention the days and timings of the
restrictions. So there is no way of me knowing other than Google
(and maybe the Council website which I have not checked) as to
when the restrictions apply. Street view does not show an image
of the sign perhaps street view has not updated since the sign
went up?
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/iDccG36suPW6zRLD7
Is there a chance I can appeal this and likely win?
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#Post#: 108671--------------------------------------------------
Re: 53J failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 4, 2026, 5:41 am
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Please read this and update your thread accordingly.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 108787--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: Homer
Date: February 5, 2026, 4:55 am
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Done :)
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Re: Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 5, 2026, 5:34 am
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OK.
GSV is not up-to-date, last view is July 2024. Video shows you
driving past the signs with no hesitation at all indicating you
either didn't see them or didn't realise what the signs meant.
The signs are absurdly high, but this is due to the amount of
information on them, thus making the actual restriction sign,
(the Flying Motorbike sign) very high up. Any possibility you
could get us a photo showing driver view of the approach ?
#Post#: 108904--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: Homer
Date: February 6, 2026, 6:34 am
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Thank you so much for your response.
I will try to travel down in the next few days or ask someone I
know in that part of London to take photos of drivers view as
thw 14 days will be up on Wednesday. From what I can see now it
does seem very high up and unless I was in a van or SUV I may
not be able to see it from my drivers seat.
#Post#: 109345--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: Homer
Date: February 10, 2026, 10:08 am
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Hi I have managed to drive down to London today and recorded
from the drivers view and also from a pedestrians view as the
signs may not be that clear on the recording from the car, I
have also taken photos of the signs.
I have recorded from the top of oldfield lane turning right from
The Broadway Greenford and also from the A40 side to show there
appeared to be more signage from the A40 side.
The sign on the recording the council sent appears to be quite
high up but somewhat lower on the attached images, (not sure if
the signs could have been adjusted to a lower height since I
first posted?)
Also I noticed a blue sign before the main sign, surely drivers
shouldn't need to look that far away from the road to read what
it says especiallyif it is a warning?
Other than the blue sign there are no other signs to warn you
there is a pedestrian zone ahead. The sign is only when you have
entered the zone and then there is no option to turn left or
back around to avoid entering the zone. I also noticed after the
blue sign there is a tree which obstructs the main warning sign.
Any guidance on whether I have grounds to successfully appeal
this would be appreciated or should I just pay this?
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Re: Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 10, 2026, 1:00 pm
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Well, basically, it is not a slam-dunk win, I'm afraid, reason
being you approached the restriction signs head-on, rather than
from a left or right turn. In addition, there is an advance
sign. The only thing is the amount of information on the advance
sign and also on the actual restriction signs. Too much to read
and digest whilst driving a car, but you have to convince an
adjudicator of this, and he'll probably think, if it's 20 mph,
one has time to read the Times newspaper !
#Post#: 109381--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: Homer
Date: February 10, 2026, 1:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Well, basically, it is not a slam-dunk win, I'm afraid, reason
being you approached the restriction signs head-on, rather than
from a left or right turn. In addition, there is an advance
sign. The only thing is the amount of information on the advance
sign and also on the actual restriction signs. Too much to read
and digest whilst driving a car, but you have to convince an
adjudicator of this, and he'll probably think, if it's 20 mph,
one has time to read the Times newspaper !
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for your response. I have come across a thread by
Bustagate regarding the blue signs being void, Hammersmith and
Fulham Council admitting these are not correct could I also cite
this as a reason in my appeal?
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/south-fulham-s-flying-motorcycle-advance-warning-signs-with-blue-backgrounds/
"Without special authorisation from DfT, local authorities'
powers therefore extend only to placing on public highways signs
prescribed by TSRGD 2016. Anything else lies outside the powers
granted by s.65 RTRA 1984. Signs such as the "flying motorcycle"
roundel on a blue background have therefore been placed outside
the Council's powers. The legal term for this is "ultra vires"
and the consequence is that, for legal purposes, the signs are
void. The signs shouldn't be there and the Council cannot use
them in support of its legal pleadings, in particular in
asserting that there is "adequate signage" of a restriction
imposed by a TMO for which a "flying motorcycle" roundel to
diagram 619 has lawfully been placed."
"For safety reasons, drivers should not need to divert their
eyes more than ten degrees away from the road ahead, meaning
that the message on a sign must be fully absorbed before a
driver reaches that position..."
#Post#: 109387--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 10, 2026, 3:43 pm
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Yes, a very good point about the blue sign not being a traffic
sign, because I have just had a quick look at Regulation 18, of
The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and
Wales) Regulations 1996 and in clause 18 the requirement of for
the placement of traffic signs to announce the traffic order
restrictions.
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> 18.—(1) Where an order relating to any road has been made, the
order making authority shall take such steps as are necessary to
secure—
>
> (a)before the order comes into force, the placing on or near
the road of such traffic signs in such positions as the order
making authority may consider requisite for securing that
adequate information as to the effect of the order is made
available to persons using the road;
>
> (b)the maintenance of such signs for so long as the order
remains in force; and
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> (c)in a case where the order revokes, amends or alters the
application of a previous order, the removal or replacement of
existing traffic signs as the authority considers requisite to
avoid confusion to road users by signs being left in the wrong
positions.
--- End Quote ---
So then the question becomes - are the two restriction signs
alone, sufficient to announce the restriction ? Well, they may
be because they are seen on a straight ahead basis, so the same
a traffic lights or a traditional No Entry sign. Sorry for
this, but I'm trying to be Devil's Advocate here, to guess what
an adjudicator might think.
#Post#: 109389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council 53J failing to comply with vehicle entering a
pedestrian zone Oldfield lane south Greenford (1) (U)
DIR By: Homer
Date: February 10, 2026, 3:56 pm
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No need to apologise @incandesent, I appreciate your input,
sorry for being dumb but in layman's terms what you have quoted
above what does it mean? Thanks
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