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#Post#: 108610--------------------------------------------------
52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: cmmanage
Date: February 3, 2026, 4:55 pm
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Hi, I wonder if you can help me?. I want to know whether it is
worth submitting a Representation?. I received today from LB H&F
a PCN Number HZ96809725. My Vehicle Reg is LM66UOK.You can view
the images at www.lbhf.gov.uk/pcnimages. In my defence/grounds
for representations, I feel there was no contravention, since
the sign when entering the road states "Controlled Zone V
Mon-Fri 9am-5pm". The alleged contravention was on 24/01/2026 at
14.18, which was a Saturday. Furthermore, I found this:
HTML https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/news/2026/01/trial-make-wormholt-safer-and-quieter
It says "A new neighbourhood improvement trial in the Wormholt
area is being enforced with PCN fines from 5 January. It will
continue to cut congestion and pollution. Out-of-borough
motorists have received warning notices about the scheme since 5
November."
I assume I am one of the out of Borough motorists? ; but there
is no signage to this effect.
What is your opinion please?, thanking you.
#Post#: 108615--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: davidmcn
Date: February 3, 2026, 5:49 pm
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--- Quote from: cmmanage link ---
>
> I feel there was no contravention, since the sign when
entering the road states "Controlled Zone V Mon-Fri 9am-5pm".
The alleged contravention was on 24/01/2026 at 14.18, which was
a Saturday. Furthermore, I found this:
HTML https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/news/2026/01/trial-make-wormholt-safer-and-quieter
> It says "A new neighbourhood improvement trial in the Wormholt
area is being enforced with PCN fines from 5 January. It will
continue to cut congestion and pollution. Out-of-borough
motorists have received warning notices about the scheme since 5
November."
> I assume I am one of the out of Borough motorists? ; but there
is no signage to this effect.
>
--- End Quote ---
You can read the (current) signage on the video - it's no motor
vehicles at any time, except taxis and permit holders.
#Post#: 108625--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 3, 2026, 7:22 pm
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As said by 'davidmcn', the video shows you passing two prominent
"Flying Motorbike" signs, with a qualifier sign below that
allows taxis and permit holders to pass. These signs mean No
Entry for motorvehicles. So where is this sign saying
"Controlled Zone V Mon-Fri 9am-5pm" ? It sounds like another,
separate CPZ entry sign which is irrelevant.
Anyway, for full advice, please read this and update your thread
accordingly:-
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 108645--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: cmmanage
Date: February 4, 2026, 2:26 am
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This shows the previous sign: - is this worth appealing?
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5103759,-0.2462295,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sY7MhcXMbCA1tgO_tlB2BNQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0%26panoid%3DY7MhcXMbCA1tgO_tlB2BNQ%26yaw%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDIwMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Furthermore, the article says:
We will be installing monitoring-only cameras on Old Oak Road,
Bloemfontein Road and Ellerslie Road.
This will allow us to monitor any changes in traffic volumes and
driver behaviour. These cameras will not issue fines. They'll
collect data to help us understand traffic patterns during the
trial.
#Post#: 108669--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 4, 2026, 5:38 am
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That GSV view is 2018, so well out-of-date. The video shows you
turning here and driving past the new "Flying Motorbike" signs.
You turned left into Steventon Road; was there an advance
warning sign as you approached ?
#Post#: 108676--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: cmmanage
Date: February 4, 2026, 6:07 am
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I did not see any advance signage.
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Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 4, 2026, 7:15 am
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OK, so I suggest you submit reps on the basis that the
restriction signs are not visible to a motorist turning left
into the restricted zone due to them being side-on on the
approach. In addition, they are mounted ridiculously high so as
to be barely noticeable when turning when an experienced
motorist will have his attention elsewhere.
#Post#: 108683--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: cmmanage
Date: February 4, 2026, 7:36 am
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Thank you.
#Post#: 109414--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: cmmanage
Date: February 11, 2026, 3:22 am
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I have submitted a Representation. Sadly I have received another
PCN yesterday. This is for the same alleged offence. I did not
know then, as I have said I have travelled this route many times
previously. My question is: do I submit the same reason just
copied and pasted? or do I refer to my previous Grounds as
well?, thanking you.
#Post#: 109466--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 11, 2026, 9:21 am
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--- Quote from: cmmanage link ---
>
> I have submitted a Representation. Sadly I have received
another PCN yesterday. This is for the same alleged offence. I
did not know then, as I have said I have travelled this route
many times previously. My question is: do I submit the same
reason just copied and pasted? or do I refer to my previous
Grounds as well?, thanking you.
>
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You referred to a CPZ sign, but it is not visible on the video,
so please tell us where it is. I doubt it is of any use in your
reps. I assume you have not had a reply to your reps for the
first PCN ?
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