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#Post#: 112206--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, Contravention 25 - Parked in a loading bay during
restricted hours, Ruislip Road East (GRE) op Leyland
DIR By: AshNaz87
Date: March 5, 2026, 4:54 pm
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
They finally replied. Here's the link to the letter
HTML https://ibb.co/bgLG81fy.
Thank you
#Post#: 112214--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, Contravention 25 - Parked in a loading bay during
restricted hours, Ruislip Road East (GRE) op Leyland
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 5, 2026, 6:27 pm
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Total and utter tosh, needless to say, because it totally
ignores your representations, which are based on
boarding/alighting passengers, not parking.
Of course, because you submitted an 'informal challenge', you
have received the usual Fob-Off letter that all London councils
send out. They send out this nonsence because they know that
almost all people, (>95%), just cough-up when they receive it,
knowing nothing about the law, and glad to get the discount, and
"closure" of the matter.
If you are prepared to stand you ground and take them all the
way to London Tribunals you have a very strong case for
cancellation of the PCN, and indeed a costs award. However you
must now wait for the Notice to Owner, and submit those same
representations again, and also point out in them that their
reply to your informal challenge totally ignored the whole basis
of your representation. You then demand that they accept that
the board/alight exemption permitted you to park there and
collect your aged and arthritic mother.
The NtO is sent by post to the owner of the car, using the name
and address on the V5C Registration Certificate, so are you the
owner, and is the address up-to-date and correct in all details.
#Post#: 113193--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, Contravention 25 - Parked in a loading bay during
restricted hours, Ruislip Road East (GRE) op Leyland
DIR By: AshNaz87
Date: March 13, 2026, 6:03 pm
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[member=2249]stamfordman[/member] - could you please provide a
link to that tribual?
#Post#: 117853--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, Contravention 25 - Parked in a loading bay during
restricted hours, Ruislip Road East (GRE) op Leyland
DIR By: AshNaz87
Date: May 5, 2026, 5:02 pm
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
The council responded to my letter:
--- Quote ---
>
> Dear xxxx,
>
> Traffic Management Act 2004
> Penalty Charge Notice: AO08385708
> Date of Contravention: 21/01/2026 at 19:28
> Location of Contravention: Ruislip Road East (GRE)
> Nature of Contravention: 25 Parked in a loading place or bay
during restricted hours
> without loading
>
> Vehicle Registration Mark: KS67YUD
>
> NOTICE OF DECLINE OF CHALLENGE
>
> Thank you for your correspondence regarding the above Penalty
Charge Notice (PCN).
> We have carefully considered your challenge, however have
decided not to cancel your PCN.
>
> You were issued a PCN for parking in a loading bay without
loading. Loading bays are
> designated for the loading, unloading, delivery or collection
of goods only.
> Loading bays should not be used for waiting or parking.
>
> If your vehicle is stationary in a loading bay for two minutes
without loading or unloading taking
> place, a PCN may be issued. The Civil Enforcement Officer
(CEO) noted that your vehicle was
> observed for two minutes before the PCN was issued and during
that time no loading or
> unloading was observed.
>
> Loading bays are designated for loading/unloading, or the
delivery or collection of pre- arranged
> goods. These bays should not be used for waiting or parking.
The use of the vehicle to be
> parked at this location must be necessary for
loading/unloading, and not merely for
> convenience. Therefore, it does not allow vehicles to stop
here to collect or deliver small items,
> even if it is convenient whereas it would be necessary to stop
there for a heavy item that could
> not be easily carried.
>
> A vehicle may be parked in a loading bay only if involved in
loading/unloading and only for as
> long as necessary for the particular loading/unloading. The
vehicle may not be parked up to the
> maximum period merely because loading/unloading is conducted
during part of that time. If the
> CEO observes a vehicle parked in a designated loading for a
period of 2 minutes and if no
> loading/unloading takes place during that period, a PCN may be
issued.
>
> The location is adequately sign posted and the sign on display
indicates the restriction times.
> This rule applies to disabled badge holders too; it is not a
situation where you may use your
> disabled badge.
> The Traffic Management Act 2004 specifies the procedure for
challenging a parking ticket. As
> we have already dealt with your informal challenge we are not
obliged to respond to this further
> correspondence or offer the discounted amount again.
>
> You have these choices:
> ● You can pay the discount charge of £80.00 if your
payment reaches us within 14 days
> of the date of this letter. If we do not receive payment
before the end of the period of 14
> days beginning with the date that this letter is served on you
then the full amount of
> £160.00 will become due.
> ● If the PCN remains unpaid after the end of the period
of 28 days beginning with the
> date on which this Notice of Decline is served on you, we will
send a Notice to Owner
> (NTO) to the registered keeper of the vehicle. A person whom a
Notice to Owner is
> served will be entitled to make formal representations to us
against the penalty charge
> and may appeal to an adjudicator if these representations are
rejected. The formal
> representation must be made in the form and manner and within
the time specified in
> the Notice to Owner.
> ● It is not possible to appeal to an adjudicator without
first making formal representations
> to us. Please do not make a further challenge as we reserve
the right to disregard any
> further correspondence related to the notice before the NTO is
served.
> How to pay:
> ● ·online At www.ealing.gov.uk and follow the links to
pay online.
> ● by phone 020 8825 6565 (24 hours) - have you Penalty
Charge Notice number ready.
> Not all credit and debit cards are accepted.
> ● by post Send your payment with the PCN number clearly
identified to: Ealing Council,
> Parking Services, PO BOX 46264, London, W5 2UN. Cheques or
postal orders should
> be made payable to “Ealing Council”. If you would like a
receipt you should enclose a
> self-addressed envelope along with your payment.
> ● in person Cash payment can be made in person at
Greenford Depot, Greenford Road,
> Greenford, UB6 9AP. A request to make cash payment with one of
our parking officers
> can be made at the depot entrance security hut between 09:00
and 16:00 from Monday
> to Friday.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> London Borough of Ealing Parking Services
>
--- End Quote ---
What would you advise be the next course of action?
#Post#: 117861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, Contravention 25 - Parked in a loading bay during
restricted hours, Ruislip Road East (GRE) op Leyland
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 5, 2026, 6:11 pm
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It's up to you. It depends on your attitude to risk.
From now on, if you don't pay, the full PCN penalty is in-play.
However you should win on the board/alight exemption at London
Tribunals.
The next stage is service of a Notice to Owner. Are you the
owner holding the V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle,
and is the address on it up-to-date ?
#Post#: 117868--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, Contravention 25 - Parked in a loading bay during
restricted hours, Ruislip Road East (GRE) op Leyland
DIR By: AshNaz87
Date: May 6, 2026, 2:51 am
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--- Quote ---
> Are you the owner holding the V5C Registration Certificate for
the vehicle, and is the address on it up-to-date ?
--- End Quote ---
Yes, to both your questions.
I am a little puzzled why they keep denying the board/alight
exemption.
#Post#: 117875--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, Contravention 25 - Parked in a loading bay during
restricted hours, Ruislip Road East (GRE) op Leyland
DIR By: tincombe
Date: May 6, 2026, 4:07 am
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I found this on Ealing's website:
HTML https://www.ealing.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/15040/parking_code_of_practice.pdf
I can see that boarding and alighting are exemptions from code
12 contraventions(res permit or shared use bays) but cannot find
this for code 25, loading bays. Stamfordman's quoted decision
relates to code 12.
Their reply doesn't help us because they've ignored/not
comprehended the basis of your claim to an exemption.
In the world of money-grabbing councils, the burden is on you to
establish that an exemption applies.
But how is the question. Setting aside prospective procedural
improprieties, IMO simply stating that X happened* but without
any objective evidence in support makes your task difficult.
These cases more often than not end at adjudication with the
full penalty in play and the appellant attempting to convince an
adjudicator on the balance of probabilities that their claim is
credible.
*- a blue badge isn't really central to the issues in this case
IMO.
#Post#: 117884--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing, Contravention 25 - Parked in a loading bay during
restricted hours, Ruislip Road East (GRE) op Leyland
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 6, 2026, 5:15 am
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Boarding/alighting is an exemption in the London Councils
handbook for most parking contraventions including loading bays.
I would be surprised if it's excluded in Ealing's traffic order,
but the issue here is assisted boarding.
This is not a no stopping contravention so you can park to board
someone waiting at the kerbside.
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