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Re: TfL, Parking Contravention 21: Parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space, NORTH KERB CAZENOVE ROAD N16
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: February 6, 2026, 6:51 am
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According to TfL's own map
HTML https://tfl.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=99bc8bbbe8c94af291f5a5bfc77a00dd
Cazenove Road is not part of the red route network.
According to Hackney's map
HTML https://hackney.gov.uk/parking-zones
it falls under the L.B.Hackney.
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Re: TfL, Parking Contravention 21: Parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space, NORTH KERB CAZENOVE ROAD N16
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 6, 2026, 12:34 pm
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Hackney's traffic order may stops where the red route bay is -
almost all side roads off TFL red routes have short extensions
to the red route enforcement.
Water this is legal - I think in some cases jurisdiction has
been found wanting.
As for the contravention, TFL does issue contraventions such as
footway parking - I'm out of the loop with where we are on what
it can and can't do.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Q3Z3kxmW/Screenshot-2026-02-06-at-18-22-07.png
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Re: TfL, Parking Contravention 21: Parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space, NORTH KERB CAZENOVE ROAD N16
DIR By: Ozuma
Date: February 7, 2026, 6:26 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> According to TfL's own map
>
HTML https://tfl.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=99bc8bbbe8c94af291f5a5bfc77a00dd
>
> Cazenove Road is not part of the red route network.
>
> According to Hackney's map
>
HTML https://hackney.gov.uk/parking-zones
>
> it falls under the L.B.Hackney.
>
--- End Quote ---
Although Cazenove Road itself isn't in the red route, could TfL
not have jurisdiction over the side road orders extension?
HTML https://foi.tfl.gov.uk/FOI-1799-2425/GLA_2016_0234%20-%20Order_Redacted.pdf
11) The car was parked between 2 Stamford Hill and 3 Cazenove
Road so it's within jurdisdiction according to this
However, I couldn't find a valid TTRO:
HTML https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/tro/widgets/89917/documents
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Re: TfL, Parking Contravention 21: Parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space, NORTH KERB CAZENOVE ROAD N16
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 7, 2026, 7:49 pm
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--- Quote from: Ozuma link ---
>
> TfL can lawfully use CCTV to issue postal PCNs for parking
contraventions in those bays (including restrictions like
suspensions).
>
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For a parking place to be suspended, there has to be a parking
place. There are no parking places on red routes, the whole road
is subject to a no stopping restriction and where there is a bay
there is an exception to the no stopping rule, that doesn't make
it a designated parking place. This is why, for instance, the
10-minute grace period that applies to parking places does not
apply to red route, because there are no parking places at all.
You will never find a TMO for a red route that says that such an
such a place is thereby designated as a parking place.
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Re: TfL, Parking Contravention 21: Parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space, NORTH KERB CAZENOVE ROAD N16
DIR By: Ozuma
Date: February 7, 2026, 8:14 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> [quote author=Ozuma link=topic=9771.msg108868#msg108868
date=1770340262]
> TfL can lawfully use CCTV to issue postal PCNs for parking
contraventions in those bays (including restrictions like
suspensions).
>
--- End Quote ---
For a parking place to be suspended, there has to be a parking
place. There are no parking places on red routes, the whole road
is subject to a no stopping restriction and where there is a bay
there is an exception to the no stopping rule, that doesn't make
it a designated parking place. This is why, for instance, the
10-minute grace period that applies to parking places does not
apply to red route, because there are no parking places at all.
You will never find a TMO for a red route that says that such an
such a place is thereby designated as a parking place.
[/quote]
Doesn't the link you sent earlier state that it is parking bay
in para 7, 8, & 21?
HTML https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2023/2889.pdf
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Re: TfL, Parking Contravention 21: Parked wholly or partly in a
suspended bay or space, NORTH KERB CAZENOVE ROAD N16
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 7, 2026, 8:54 pm
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You're confusing a bay with a designated parking place, the two
are not one and the same. The traffic management order is The
GLA Roads and GLA Side Roads (Hackney) Red Route Consolidation
Traffic Order 2007
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nKIasnoMqHziJSAr2N9ClJfbAK76Wwbg/view<br
/>and the amendments to that order are in this folder
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1imJ1PF4W-q9J2fwFHyYffz-C27g1Pk_n.<br
/>You won't find anything in any of those orders that designate
any length of highway as a designated parking place, nor is
there any power within the TMO to suspend parking places
(because they don't exist so they can't be suspended).
That's why every single bay contravention on a red route is
dealt with under code 46 - stopped on a red route or clearway
where prohibited, code 21 is an anomaly because if they used
code 46 you'd have a bomb proof defence that the TMO allows
stopping (assuming you've complied with the conditions of the
stopping exemption for that bay).
The problem is that even under code 21 you have a bomb proof
defence i.e. that there is no designated parking place to be
suspended in the first place, and the TMO has no suspension
powers anyway (the word "suspend" does not appeal anywhere in
the TMO).
This however is a very technical argument so I would not suggest
a DIY appeal, as it would be very easy to mess it up. You can
either send it to me as per the "One-on-one support" paragraph
at the bottom of this page
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/,<br
/>or see if one of the other professional representations on
here
has time to assist you.
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