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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 28, 2023, 2:50 pm
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For later, The Hillingdon (Waiting & Loading Restrictions) Order
2023
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=12iaCsLv-HnXxm6iZXOWpxcB5mqPUTyTD.
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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: guest968
Date: December 4, 2023, 9:55 am
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That's a hefty tome...
#Post#: 11932--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: guest968
Date: December 5, 2023, 10:45 am
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OK - today I got a letter saying that "on this occasion" they've
decided to re-offer the opportunity to pay the reduced £55
within 14 days of the date of the letter, which was 1st
December.
Presumably the NtO issuing process won't start until the
deadline of 15th December has passed, so we're in the dark until
then, and I've got to decide between hanging on and hoping that
some kind of escape appears, or pay the £55 and move on, with at
least the crumb of satisfaction that the penalty charge was less
than the cost of a resident's permit.
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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: Neil B
Date: December 5, 2023, 1:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Scientist and Saint link ---
>
> OK - today I got a letter saying that "on this occasion"
they've decided to re-offer the opportunity to pay the reduced
£55 within 14 days of the date of the letter, which was 1st
December.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
It only says whatever it says when we SEE it, not your
interpretation of it.
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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: guest968
Date: December 7, 2023, 12:25 pm
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Well, it's not exactly difficult to "interpret". TBH it doesn't
really need any "interpretation", reading will suffice.
Bear in mind that it's a response to my complaint to them about
how long their appeal rejection letter had taken to arrive, and
a request for them to extend the 14-day discounted payment
window to reflect when it actually arrived rather than when they
presumed it had.
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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: guest968
Date: December 7, 2023, 12:34 pm
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So anyway - I've now got until 15th December to pay the
discounted £55 vs the full £110.
I guess it's a question of odds. If the consensus is that I've
got a greater than 50% chance of prevailing at a tribunal
(assuming there are grounds for going to one) then the maths
says take the gamble.
If the consensus is that I'm more likely to lose I should cut my
losses and pay the £55.
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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: guest968
Date: January 14, 2024, 11:11 am
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NTO has arrived
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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: guest968
Date: January 16, 2024, 6:12 am
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Didn't know about adding '@<userid>' to trigger an email....
[member=1]cp8759[/member]
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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: January 16, 2024, 1:07 pm
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I'm not sure how good Hillingdon's CPZ evidence packs are, but
if you want to take a belt and braces approach see the tactic of
last resort described here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/city-of-edinburgh-02-parked-in-a-restricted-street-lochrin-buildings-gilmour-pla/msg7413/#msg7413.
Have a read and if you want to use that, we can discuss setting
up the links etc and also what they should point at. If the CPZ
entry signs are currently in any way obscured, some photos of
that would be ideal.
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Re: PCN for CPZ contravention 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours L.B. Hillingdon
DIR By: guest968
Date: January 30, 2024, 8:47 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Re the CPZ entry signs, I've not taken photos of them. I could,
tomorrow, but I don't believe that any case for them being
obscured could be made. The ones on GSV show them as they are,
pretty much.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/mPMxS84n/CPZ-entrances-unredacted.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/mPMxS84n
Subject to seasonal variations in leaf cover obscuring the one
on the RHS of the road in the top photo (if you zoom in on that
one you can just about make out where it is).
I don't know to what extent that one would have been covered in
October when the contravention occurred, but the one on the
driver's side of the road is never obscured, and as I have lived
in the CPZ since before it was created I would have driven past
that sign thousands of times. What I'm trying to say is that
I can't envisage any credible case for claiming that I couldn't
have known about the CPZ because of signage issues.
As I said earlier, there are only two entrances to the CPZ, at
points marked A & B on this map:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/XXjFyZY4/Screen-Hunter-1778.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/XXjFyZY4
In the photo, A is the top one, B the bottom. At location B
there is still only the one sign on the LHS of what is a single
track road.
I've got 28 days from when the NTO was served to make
representations. They don't say when they regard it as having
been served, but if we assume that they use the same system of
second working day after the date of posting which they did for
the rejection of my initial appeal, then with an NTO date of
04/01 that takes me to 05/02/24.
All I can think to do is to ask them to use their discretion to
cancel the charge, because of the following:
1) There are signs on lamp posts along the road in question
which could be taken to mean that the SYL has different
restrictions to the CPZ, and to add weight to that
a) the fact that within the CPZ there is at least one SYL with a
sign which does carry different hours to the CPZ times
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/X7tHWgtc4Tq2NmJh6
close-up:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/G2nev91bEukgH6xAA
I'll take a photo of that tomorrow - seems like a good candidate
to upload and set up a view counter?
b) referencing documents from several other London councils
which establish the principle that there can be SYLs within CPZs
which define different restrictions to the CPZ.
2) In mitigation that I was parked across the driveway of my own
house because I had a skip there which prevented me from parking
on it, so I was not causing any obstruction or inconvenience to
others.
I know it's all a bit straw-clutchy, but it's all I've got...
And apologies for not getting back with this sooner - been
meaning to do it for days, but have been swamped with getting
stuff back into the house from storage now that the builders
have finally gone...
If it's too late for you to help I'll quite understand, but if I
could at least beg the details of how to set up a click counter
(or is it Linkly?)
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