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PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: Ray236 Date: January 31, 2026, 1:08 pm
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Hi everyone, I’d really appreciate some advice on how best to
challenge this PCN.
This PCN was issued for Contravention Code 52m at Rye Lane
Junction / Hanover Park. At the time of the alleged
contravention, I was carrying out a legitimate private hire job
as a Bolt driver. I have full proof of the job, including pickup
details and timestamps.
There was no alternative way to pick up the customer other than
going through this junction. The job itself clearly states this,
and the pickup point could not be accessed from another route.
I did see the restriction sign and initially attempted to turn
around, but there was a vehicle directly behind me, also a
private hire driver, who advised that access was allowed for
pickups. Given the road layout and traffic situation, reversing
or turning was not possible or safe.
I also contacted the customer to ask if they could walk around
to an alternative pickup point. They explained that they were
not well enough to do so and felt it was not safe for them to
walk around the back, particularly given the area and time.
In short:
I was on a live private hire booking
I have evidence of the job
There was no reasonable alternative route
I attempted to avoid the restriction
The customer could not safely relocate
Accessing the junction was necessary to complete the booking
I would be grateful for advice on:
Whether this falls under necessity / mitigation
How best to structure the initial representations
Whether to focus on procedural grounds, discretion, or
evidence-based mitigation
Thanks in advance — any guidance would be massively appreciated.
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 31, 2026, 2:56 pm
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Please post a GSV link to the exact location. The photo on the
PCN shows the sign, which also has a qualifier sign below it. We
need to know what that says.
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: ILoveCats123 Date: January 31, 2026, 4:16 pm
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Just thought I could help out.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/37ge6wLikyvkcdPb8
Good old pedestrianised (almost) rye lane
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 31, 2026, 6:37 pm
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[quote author=ILoveCats123 link=topic=9759.msg108181#msg108181
date=1769897781]
Just thought I could help out.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/37ge6wLikyvkcdPb8
Good old pedestrianised (almost) rye lane
[/quote]
Thanks, this view is 2022, (the latest) and shows buses and
taxis are allowed. So the OP needs to submit representations on
the basis he is a private hire vehicle and was picking up a
customer. A PCN will be issued if the vehicle has no
identification that it is a private hire vehicle, or the
identification cannot be seen.
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: MrChips Date: January 31, 2026, 6:57 pm
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Do you own the vehicle (i.e. is it leased or hired)?
The PCN seems to have been served out of time. It has to reach
you within 28 days starting with the date if contravention, i.e.
by 28 January, but they only sent it on 30 January.
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: Ray236 Date: February 1, 2026, 4:01 pm
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The vehicle is hired. The PCN was initially sent to the hire
company as the registered keeper, and they then passed liability
to me, which is why I have only received it now.
Also, you mentioned earlier that the restriction applies to
“buses and taxis only”. Can someone please confirm whether this
includes private hire vehicles, or whether it applies only to
licensed hackney carriages (taxis)?
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: Ray236 Date: February 3, 2026, 9:59 am
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hi any update on this please?
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: fraser.mitchell Date: February 3, 2026, 11:23 am
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Sorry, but I don't know if private hire comes within the meaning
of "taxi" for the sign. Thge Traffic Order should tell you, or
you can submit reps on the basis that are a private hire car,
picking up a passenger. They are obliged to tell you if PH
vehicles are exempt or not when they reply.
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: RichardW Date: February 3, 2026, 11:39 am
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TRO says: “bus”, “pedal cycle”, and “taxi” have the meanings
given in the Traffic Signs Regulations and
General Directions 2016b
, as amended;
And the TSRGD says:
“taxi”
(a)
in England and Wales, a vehicle licensed under—
(i)
section 37 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847(43); or
(ii)
section 6 of the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869(44);
or under any similar enactment;
It would appear that Private Hire are licenced under Private
Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998 - no idea if that would be
consider to be 'any similar enactment'.
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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
By: NTIAEP Date: March 9, 2026, 8:09 am
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Shouldn't the PCN (link in first post) state that "The Penalty
Charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days
beginning with the date of service of the notice".
Same applies to the language immediately below re: discounted
period?
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member] [member=1]cp8759[/member] - your
thoughts?
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