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#Post#: 107913--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: 777GE90
Date: January 29, 2026, 10:52 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> I can't see any small repeater signs - I think that part of
the street heading out of the centre should at least have one or
two.
>
> The traffic signs manual agrees:
>
> It is for the traffic authority to determine how many signs
are required within the zone and where they are to be placed.
The aim should be to place signs strategically so that where
drivers might be tempted to stop, they can see a sign.
>
> These are repeater signs.
>
>
HTML https://i.ibb.co/cSyXtjjs/Screenshot-2026-01-29-at-16-34-51.png
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--- End Quote ---
That's actually quite helpful for an appeal, thank you really
appreciate it. Will wait a couple days to see if anyone else
can find anything before raising one.
EDIT: Can you send me a link to this manual, would like to take
a read.
#Post#: 107937--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 29, 2026, 2:39 pm
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Stamfordman has pointed you to a valid appeal argument, so why
not submit representations based on complete lack of repeater
signs, and only a single entrance sign. At least they'll have to
do some work for their money !
#Post#: 107947--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 29, 2026, 5:05 pm
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Have a read of the restricted parking zone chapter in the
traffic signs manual chapter 3.
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic-signs-manual
#Post#: 108749--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: 777GE90
Date: February 4, 2026, 2:38 pm
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Thanks, super useful, I did submit an appeal several days ago
with a detailed PDF containing lots of info and references to
that manual, they sent me a confirmation number and said they
will either respond by post or email within 28 days, but every
time I login to the site to try and view the status or something
it just shows me a form to submit another appeal again, there is
nothing on the site that shows my appeal information, hoping my
appeal was submitted correctly.
Couple of questions:
If they were to reject the appeal, do I get another 14 days to
pay at the discounted rate? If I was to appeal the rejection and
then it gets rejected again, do I get another 14 days to pay at
the discounted rate?
#Post#: 108753--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 4, 2026, 4:15 pm
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Yes they will reoffer the discount on rejection - nearly all
authorities do apart from a few.
The next step is a notice to owner, and again they will probably
reoffer the discount on rejection to try and stop you going to
the tribunal, which is an expense for them.
#Post#: 109326--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: 777GE90
Date: February 10, 2026, 8:01 am
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Got my response today:
--- Code ---
I refer to your recent correspondence in connection with the
above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).
The PCN was issued for parking or loading and unloading in a
restricted street where waiting and
loading and unloading restrictions are in force.
We have carefully considered your comments; however, we have
decided not to cancel the PCN.
You explained that you missed one of the signs on your route
because it was approximately 34
metres away.
While I note your comments, please be aware that within a
Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ),
additional signs are not required at every location unless
specifically necessary.
You were issued a PCN for parking in a Restricted Zone at a
time when parking is not permitted,
including for loading or unloading. The purpose of these
restrictions is to support traffic flow and
maintain safety. Restricted Zones operate in the following
way:
• They may not have yellow lines, as this improves the street
environment and reduces
maintenance costs.
• They are governed by Restricted Zone entry signs, which act
like boundary markers. These signs
are placed at each entry point to the zone, meaning you would
have passed one when entering.
Restricted Zones vary in size and may cover only a single
street.
• Where the sign states “No loading”, parking is not permitted
for any reason, including loading or
unloading.
The sign will show either the hours during which restrictions
apply or “at any time” for 24-hour
restrictions. If no days are shown, the restriction applies
seven days a week.
Directorate for Communities
Highways and Technical Services - Parking
Head of Parking Services: Julie Rushton
Buckinghamshire Council
C/O PO Box 3584
Chippenham
SN15 9EF
www.buckinghamshire.gov.uk
The signage at the entry points clearly states: “Restricted
Parking Zone – No Loading Except in
Signed Bays.” This means restrictions apply throughout the
entire zone unless a specific, signed
bay indicates otherwise. In this case, you were parked within
the restricted area but not within a
marked or signed bay.
In view of this, we are satisfied that the contravention
occurred and the PCN remains payable.
Having considered the circumstances, I must advise you that
you have not provided sufficient
grounds for cancellation of the Charge. The Council is
satisfied that the PCN was issued correctly
and that payment is now due.
The Council is willing to accept the discounted amount of
£35.00 providing payment is received
within fourteen days of the date of this letter. Failure to
pay within this time will mean that the
discount offer expires and the full amount of £70.00 will
become due.
If no payment is received, a Notice to Owner will be sent to
the registered keeper of the vehicle as
provided by DVLA. This will allow that person or their
authorised representative to submit a formal
appeal (known as representations) against the Charge. The
appellant will be offered the
opportunity to take the matter to independent adjudication at
no extra cost if they are unhappy with
that decision. The decision of the Adjudicator is binding upon
both appellant and council.
--- End Code ---
Got this rejection response today, I feel like they didn't even
read my letter properly. They open with:
--- Code ---
You explained that you missed one of the signs on your route
because it was approximately 34
metres away.
--- End Code ---
Which is not what I said at all, I said I missed the ONLY
restriction sign in my route, because of my high driving
workload of immediate left and then immediate right on a blind
corner, where my focus is purely on driving and not this poorly
placed sign. I mentioned at the end of my letter that that sign
is 34 meters away from my parking location and the closest
repeater sign on the pavements is over 90 meters away as an
additional reason.
This part of the restricted zone seems a bit scammy to me, since
even after parking you can clearly see yellow lines further up
the road but the bit I was parked on didn't have any, further
reinforcing my belief that I wasn't in a restricted zone. I
checked Google Maps street view before parking and I checked
again when I got out for signs of restriction and didn't spot
any, yet was still stung, so clearly their signage is
insufficient as it genuinely caught me out.
But instead they want to fine me and carry on catching other
people out like this.
Do I pay or keep fighting?
#Post#: 109336--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 10, 2026, 9:01 am
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It's the usual Fob-Off letter in response to informal
representations. They do this because they know that almost all
people then cough-up, (like >95%). Only reps against a Notice to
Owner are looked at more carefully. If you wait for the NtO, you
lose the discount option, although some councils will re-offer
it when rejecting reps.
Your appeal argument is of inadequate signage. This is
subjective, so you'd have to convince an adjudicator that the
signage they've put up is inadequate to convey the restriction.
With only a single sign on entry and nothing once in the zone
you're in with a chance. Of course if you take them to Traffic
Penalty Tribunal it will be with the full PCN penalty in play.
If you win, you pay nothing, and if you lose, you pay the PCN
penalty, but there are no additional costs
#Post#: 110152--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: 777GE90
Date: February 17, 2026, 5:45 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Yes they will reoffer the discount on rejection - nearly all
authorities do apart from a few.
>
> The next step is a notice to owner, and again they will
probably reoffer the discount on rejection to try and stop you
going to the tribunal, which is an expense for them.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think I am gonna appeal again, do I have to wait for notice to
owner (i.e. I guess 14 days must pass before they send that in
the post?) or can I appeal now?
#Post#: 110154--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 17, 2026, 5:48 pm
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Wait for the Notice to Owner which is sent by post to the keeper
on the V5C. Are you the owner, and is the name and address on
your V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle up-to-date and
the same as it was on the contravention date ?
#Post#: 110256--------------------------------------------------
Re: WTF no signage? Buckinghamshire, code 02 parked or loading
and unloading, Easton St
DIR By: 777GE90
Date: February 18, 2026, 3:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Wait for the Notice to Owner which is sent by post to the
keeper on the V5C. Are you the owner, and is the name and
address on your V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle
up-to-date and the same as it was on the contravention date ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Ok will do, was tempted to just pay and move on but I am going
to fight this on the principal that I genuinely got caught out
because that area is not properly sign posted and because the
informal appeal guy clearly just fobbed me off without reading
my appeal properly at all.
Worst case if I have to pay £70 then I will pay it, but I don't
think I should have to pay a penny for their money trap setup.
Yes I am the owner and registered keeper, have been for a couple
years so should have no issues getting the letter hopefully.
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